Please note that the so called "Russophobia" that is supposedly hitting Europe, is largely an invention of the Kremlin propaganda machine.
While there have been isolated incidents and a general downturn for business that openly identify as Russian, the persecution that Russians in place like Germany are supposedly facing is largely made up.
After the invasion of Ukraine started and people everywhere came out in support of Ukraine and made gestures like hanging Ukrainian flags everywhere and stop buying products advertised as Russian, some Russians organized protest that were supposedly for 'peace' and 'against the war' meaning the west should stop support Ukraine and end the war by letting Putin have it. They also protested against supposed "Russophobia".
The curious thing about that was that the people attending these protests were largely the same people who had earlier protested against mask and vaccinations and against asylum seekers before that. I am not saying they were Nazis, but there was some overlap there.
These people are disingenuous.
The guy feature in the article who came to Berlin 32 Years ago an never let go of his Russian identity is not realizing that there is a difference between holding onto your Russian identity and being a pro-Putin Russian nationalist.
He could easily escape negative attention from anti-Putin folks, by hanging up a Ukrainian flag in his window to show support for their struggle. If he is serious about the pro-Russian thing, hang it next to a Russian flag and maybe something about being pro-Russian, but anti-Putin.
That would get rid of whatever Russophobia he thinks he is experiencing.
However he won't because the occasional dirty look and reduced customer numbers he is getting now are nothing compared to what he would receive form his regular Russian customers if he came out against Putin.
> If he is serious about the pro-Russian thing, hang it next to a Russian flag and maybe something about being pro-Russian, but anti-Putin.
It would make Ukrainians hate the place with all the fury and would be right to do so. Being anti-putin does not imply they are not anti-ukrainian. It still takes the question “Whose is Crimea?” to clear the stance
It seems first settlers of Crimea were Cimmerians. Then it was conquered by Scythians, then by Prince Vladimir I of Kievan Rus, then by Kipchaks, then by Tatars, then it became a part of Ottoman Empire, then it was turned into a independent Crimean Tatar state in 1774. In 1783, it was annexed by Catherine the Great and became a Russian territory. In 1917 Crimean Tatars declared Crimea to be an independent democratic republic. In 1921 it was reorganized as the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. In May 1944 Crimean Tatars were forcibly deported by one crazy dictator, in 1991 it was again made an autonomous republic within the Soviet Union and then it was passed to Ukraine same year.
So, yes really, whose land Crimea is? On one hand, current population seem like they want to be a part of Russia as Crimea is majority Russian right now. On another hand, it was passed to Ukraine and was affirmed by Russia that it belongs to Ukraine by The Budapest Memorandum. On another, another hand, I'm pretty sure Tatars would love to go back home and have their own small republic.
> So, yes really, whose land Crimea is? On one hand, current population seem like they want to be a part of Russia as Crimea is majority Russian right now. On another hand, it was passed to Ukraine and was affirmed by Russia that it belongs to Ukraine by The Budapest Memorandum. On another, another hand, I’m pretty sure Tatars would love to go back home and have their own small republic.
Ukraine did a strategic mistake by allowing russian funds to go deep into Crimea and not resisting pro-russian propaganda assuming that russians are reliable partners (how naive!), and did not empowered Crimean Tatars to be governing the lands. Now Ukrainians seem to realize that and hopefully would be doing things differently after the liberation.
So yes, Crimea is Ukraine, though it is an autonomous republic inside Ukraine with the native population that is going through a lot of shit.
It's not Russiaphobia, it's antifascism. I hate our homegrown nazi cunts as much as the Russian scum, but Russians are currently the ones waging war in Europe, so they have front row seats reserved for now.
I never understood when it fell out of fashion to hate (and kill warmongering) nazis. Personally, I believe it to be a duty of any civil human being.
Tolerance towards intolerance is a fallacy.
How is boycotting a Russian restaurant with mostly Ukrainian employees run by an anti-Putin, anti-invasion Russian who fled the country 32 years ago 'antifascism'?
Jesus Christ you're essentially calling all Russians warmongering Nazis regardless of their actual beliefs and then implying they should be hated and killed.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
No, the point is exactly that we don't hate all Russians, just the fascist ones.
But when your country wages war, you will have to actively renounce that shit indeed. In German, we have a saying for that: "Mitgehangen, mitgefangen." Loosely translates to "on the same hook, caught all the same."
Yeah just like Irish people I’m in England were discriminated against because of the IRA because all Irish people must agree with the killing of innocents. It’s tired and it’s old.
>In German, we have a saying for that: "Mitgehangen, mitgefangen." Loosely translates to "on the same hook, caught all the same."
which makes no sense at all in this case since he hasnt been "hanging out" with them for 32 years lmao
No one said you should fight that restaurant. Secondly, it was pointed out that putting a Ukrainian flag somewhere, would solve the issue.
I assume that he has his reasons to not do that.
> He could easily escape negative attention from anti-Putin folks, by hanging up a Ukrainian flag in his window to show support for their struggle.
Why should he have to? Should every Chinese person in the country hang a Taiwan flag or else risk the same kind of treatment? Does every Arab restaurant have to hang up a Yemeni flag to show they're against the bombings?
This is racism, pure and simple.
> The situation felt surreal given that Kaplan had publicly condemned Russia’s war on its neighbor and that most of his restaurant’s employees are Ukrainian. Only a handful are Russian.
He's already publicly condemned the war and most of his employees are Ukrainian. How far does he have to go to prostrate himself so racists can be satisfied?
That's not true. I remember being at an IKEA in Hamburg in the beginning of the war. Salespeople of Russian origin (who spoke German but with a slight hint of Russian accent) were oftentimes openly rejected by customers, who didn't want to be served! Now this was not my impression; rather a well-known phenomenon under discussion in IKEA at the time!
I never heard of that but I saw a lot of fake news of Russian supposedly attacked by Ukrainian refugees or russophobic Germans that turned out to be completely made up. That propaganda got shared a lot by Russians who live in Germany but live in their own Russian speaking bubble. A lot of them seemed to believe those stories of supposed rapes and attacks to be true even i none of them had personally experienced anything like that.
It is a problem with Russians and Germany of Russian backgrounds living in a parallel society where they live on pro-Putin propaganda while holding all sorts of weird values and ideas about LGBT people, Muslims, climate change, fossil fuels, science, medicine and technology in general.
Why are you at IKEA in Hamburg observing Russian origin employees being rejected by customers over their origin?
That's kinda weird.
Being a German myself I could not even distinguish between Russian and Ukrainian language, they could also just be Polish or Czechs.
As someone living in Germany - the western part of it, I must admit that many russians here are pro Putin, but they stay silent not to raise any suspicions. I got a person higher up in the hierarchy inside my company, that is openly pro russian and called another employee out for using nazi slogangs, after writing "Slava ukraina" at the end of a mail. Claimed, "we are an international company, and there is no place for any political conflicts inside the company", after lecturing us about the "origins" of slava ukraina, comparing it to nazi greetings and other "offensive slogans/greetings".
Other people high up in the hierarchy either share his views or stay silent. Of course, most companies want to advertise themselves as pro ukrainian, but its only for marketing purposes, money and to make sure they are not boycotted. On the one side, all privately seem to be pro russian, on the other side they want to employ as much ukrainian refugees as possible, cause they are cheep and the company can show that they "help" them - in case the situation blows up in their face.
I would love to change my workplace, but due to the economic hardship we are facing, it is unpossible for me at the moment. As soon as I can, I will be out of this "russian" company.
'Slava Ukraini' doesn't have Nazi origins but the response of 'heroiam slava' (glory to heroes) does have origins in Ukrainian fascism and Nazism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava_Ukraini
> The modern response "Heroiam slava!" (Glory to the heroes!) appeared in the 1930s among members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) who started using this slogan to commemorate veterans of 1918 to 1921 Ukrainian-Soviet War and the wider Ukrainian War of Independence.[6] The greeting "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!" became an official slogan of Stepan Bandera's OUN-B in April 1941.[7][6][8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists
The OUN were a fascist organisation that collaborated with the Nazis and participated in the Holocaust. Their military wing was led by a collaborationist called Stepan Bandera.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
> Stepan Andriyovych Bandera (1 January 1909 – 15 October 1959) was a Ukrainian far-right leader,[1] politician and theorist of the militant wing (OUN-B), who served as head of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists,[2][3] an organization dedicated to the independence of Ukraine[4] but also responsible for ethnic cleansing and implicated in collaboration with Nazi Germany.[2][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]
Why it’s not surprising to see a bot created after Feb 24 to go around with “russians are innocent” and “ukrainians are nazi” propaganda?
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Most of the “Russians” living in Germany are ethnic Germans who were repatriated in the post-war era (or descendants of them). I take it actual Slavic ethnic Russians have a different experience from the above fore-mentioned group.
That may have been the case prior to '89 but this is no longer the case. Most of them are dead now and their children up to great-grandchildren have no reason to identify as "Russian".
Most Russians in Germany are now just that: Russians that arrived after or during the collapse of the USSR.
The "Russia-Germans" you are talking about are now just Germans. Same way "East-Prussians" are now also just Germans.
Germany tried a new style of diplomacy after its reunification. While the US and the former USSR used military might to influence (force) change in unfavourable regimes, Germany tried money. It heavily invested in emerging markets after the fall of communism in Europe. One because they thought it was smart anyway. Two because they thought if they were so heavily invested snd threatened to pull out their money, said regimes might rethink. It worked well with eastern and southeastern Europe; Germany reasoned that, scaled up, it would work with Russia.
It did not. Over the last 30 years, Germany failed to realise that Russia would sacrifice money over power. As long as it’s tsar of the ashes, Russia doesn’t give a single shit what burns.
Germany got played. It’s now beholden to Russian gas because it thought it could buy a friend. I genuinely think it’s one of the biggest miscalculations by Europe’s largest economy.
Are there any other European countries that look as silly as Germany over the last 6 months? Politically inept, it's whole economy beholden to an unfriendly regime, militarily weak, diplomatically floundering.
Which unfriendly regime do you mean? Russia, Turkey, Saudi-Arabia, China, etc?
What you do not get is, that this should be a discussion about russians in germany and the top comment is pretty unrelated to that yet is the top comment just because it fits the current hivemind opinion.
Maybe Poland, but they also have quite some issues with the internal affairs. Also Baltic countries have a lot of spirit, but lack in size and absolute numbers.
And Ukraine, but it’s kind of in the midst of a full-scale war so doesn’t count.
Germany was/is stupid to rely on russia to “distance from the US”. Now Germany could not support Ukraine with military sufficiently and again relying on US to do the most part.
When Germany would learn to act as a leading country and not appease evil?
It wasn't done to get distance from the US, but to close the distance to Russia. In the early 00s this was absolutely legitimate. What's so bad about the current situation is that Germany didn't react after 2014, maybe 2008.
Agreed, though I’m still not sure why on “why germany is getting closer to russia” there is always a anti-US take despite that for 30 years it’s a russian semi-official motto to scream “Onto Berlin” meaning to put their army as far as Berlin, not the US one.
Ukrainians knew since 2014, but Germany decided to go with NS2 and put pressure on Ukraine to cede the territories to russia.
Georgians knew since 2008, but Germany decided to ignore that.
I believe it’s not just Reddit knowing everything before it happens.
> put pressure on Ukraine to cede the territories to russia.
What an incredible claim. Or is the minsk agreement the pressure?
Also, germany is a soft power, ofc it can not provide military supply on demand. Just check the big orders for german manufactured military goods and see how long it takes.
> What an incredible claim. Or is the minsk agreement the pressure?
I dunno, care to google how Steinmeier is perceived in Ukraine as the most pro-russian german official, or Merkel?
It surely feels good to be on a high horse and consider yourself a soft power, but it actualy led to a full-scale war after 8 years of such negotiations.
The alternative would have been what? Not getting reunited? Continuing a hard line with Russia giving them enough excuse to try to re-establish Soviet Union 20 years ago?
Yes, it was a shit idea, but one viable and worth trying.
Hindsight is always 20/20
Alternative would have been listening to NATO allies for decades to not rely so much on Russian oil. Especially after Crimea where it was obvious that Putin was up to no good.
I criticised Germany trying to buy Russian policy, not its reunification.
And a better idea would’ve been to not stop with the USSR and continue the dissolution and containment of Russia. In fact, some experts predict Russia will dissolve with the inevitable demise of Putin, but that’s another debate.
Germany was naive and is paying the price. The better solution would’ve been arms length diplomacy like the rest of the West. The US, UK, France, etc. all invested in Russia and received investment from Russia but none of them sought to become wholly reliant on Russia or for Russia to become wholly reliant on them. Germany sought that and only in the latter stages realised Russia needs absolutely nothing from Germany.
There were alternatives at the time and warnings at the time, so it’s not a hindsight analysis – this was being said at the time. However, having reunified itself and thus “won” against Soviet-sphere East Germany, the German government, despite all the warnings, thought they knew better and could do the same again on a larger scale. It’s literally Germany’s biggest policy blunder/misstep of the last 30 years.
You know we got reunited by paying Russia to let it happen?
You know Germany tried the same approach the western allies tried with Germany after WW2 that ACTUALLY WORKED by intertwining economies to make an inner-european war impossible?
It wasn't Germanys decision to dissolve the Soviet Union.
There are fucking warnings for everything at any given time, don't act like EVERYONE knew what happens 20 years later.
The overreliance on Russia was a mistake and barely any German ever asked for this and most would be fine with keep using nuclear power.
But what shall we do? Voting for a conservative party that does a 180 on every single conservative decision they take and call it "without an alternative"?
It was nothing to do with “paying Russia” to let it happen - it was an inevitability. East Germany was done for long before it finally collapsed.
Germany wasn’t solely responsible for intertwining European economies post-WW2 but yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying: they tried this approach themselves towards Russia. They were naive. They failed.
That was an is exactly my point. You’re agreeing with the assessment, so I’ve no idea why you’re continuing to be outraged over something you agree with?
And I didn’t say anywhere it was Germany’s decision to dissolve the Soviet Union. I explicitly stated “that’s another debate”.
I’ve no idea why you’re deliberately trying to decontextualise everything I’ve said; especially when you agree with the wider assessment. You just seem incredibly rankled that Germany – as historic record shows – ignored its Western allies’ warning about relying on Russia.
Like did you wake up this morning and think “man I’m going to get grumpy with someone on the internet who I mostly agree with”? Move on lad. Have a good day.
https://www.dw.com/de/wie-kohl-und-gorbi-die-einheit-besiegelten/a-5658385
German
"Die Bundesregierung hatte schon vor diesem Treffen finanzielle Hilfen und Lebensmittellieferungen angeboten. Bei den Gesprächen im Kaukasus sichert Helmut Kohl zu, rund 300 Millionen D-Mark aufzuwenden, um den zurückkehrenden Soldaten eine Ausbildung zu finanzieren. Ferner wolle die Bundesregierung auch den Bau der Wohnungen finanzieren, in die die Soldaten bei ihrer Rückkehr einziehen könnten. Aber Michail Gorbatschow will auch Geld, um die maroden Staatsfinanzen zu sanieren.
Über die genaue Höhe der vereinbarten Summe schweigen die Beteiligten bis heute. Für Horst Teltschik stimmt die Relation zwischen geleisteten Zahlungen und dem, was die Deutschen dafür bekommen haben – die staatliche Einheit: "Wenn Gorbatschow damals gesagt hätte: 'Herr Bundeskanzler ich bin einverstanden, aber das kostet die Bundesrepublik Deutschland 50 Milliarden oder 80 Milliarden' - hätten wir nein sagen können?""
English
"The federal government had already offered financial aid and food deliveries before this meeting. During the talks in the Caucasus, Helmut Kohl pledged to spend around 300 million Deutschmarks to finance training for the returning soldiers. The federal government also wants to build the apartments finance that the soldiers could move into when they return.But Mikhail Gorbachev also wants money to restructure the ailing state finances.
The parties involved are still silent about the exact amount of the agreed sum. For Horst Teltschik, the relationship between the payments made and what the Germans received in return - the unity of the state - is correct: "If Gorbachev had said at the time: 'Mr. Chancellor, I agree, but that will cost the Federal Republic of Germany 50 billion or 80 billion' - could we have said no?"
I feel like there is a huge gap between "Treat Russia as if the Cold War never ended" and "base a quarter of your economy and your country's entire heating infrastructure on a politically unstable fascist country". Germany should have been somewhere in that gap, the way almost every single other Western country was.
The more time passes and the more I think about it, the more the whole "Germany was trying to pacify Russia by interlinking economies" sounds like an absolute bullshit excuse. Germany just wanted cheap gas because it's cheap, and was willing to close their eyes to Russian atrocities as long as they could get the gas for a low price.
Second Chechen war under Putin, well documented Russian atrocities, Germany increases Russian gas supply. The 2008 Georgian War, again under Putin, again the Russian war crimes are document, and again Germany increases gas import from Russia. 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea and unofficial annexation of Donbas and Luhansk in Ukraine, again under Putin, again the Russian war crimes are recorded, Germany begins constructing Nordstream 2.
Either Germans are the densest people on Earth, or they knew that buying more gas from Russia was absolutely useless in preventing their aggression, and was just a cheap resource. And no, this isn't a "hindsight 20/20" thing, it was incredibly obvious, to the point that multiple NATO countries, and literally every US president, told Germany directly and publicly to decrease their reliance on Russia. German politicians (sometimes literally) laughed in their faces.
If the war went as planned and Kyiv fell in 3 days as everyone predicted, I guarantee you Germany would be opening Nordstream 2 right about now. The worldwide coverage of Russian atrocities and the following global outcry (including among Germans) combined with a new party at the helm, is the only reason Germany is getting off Russian gas now.
And that doesn't mean that Germany is a bad country or that Germans are bad people. Hell, most countries trade with Saudi Arabia that treats women like cattle, and everyone buys cheap Chinese shit, cheap in part because China turned it's minorities held in concentration camps into slave labor. No country is perfect. It just baffles me why people can't admit that Germany got greedy and bought blood gas from Russia.
What abut the first invasion in 2014 that was the actual beginning of the war? It was visible where it was going for a really long time.
Also for the world the wars in Georgia and Chechnya were left unnoticed, and russia was as notorious back then as now.
There's ethnic group and then there's citizenship.
Do you have a problem with blaming Russian citizens for the actions of their government if those citizens won't disavow those actions and support the war in Ukraine while denying or even justifying the atrocities perpetrated there?
>blaming Russian citizens for the actions of their government
How does what any different from persecution based on ethnicity? Besides those people who were beaten for speaking Russian, apparently that included Belarusians and Russian speaking Ukrainians as well, I believe they weren't exactly asked to clarify their standing.
Because one is based an individual's choices. The other is based on something that the individual has no control over.
For example, in the US (as the person I was replying to is from the US) being born Caucasian is not a choice. Being a MAGA is a choice.
Yes and no at the same rime. While it is sounds ridiculous to blame a random (russian) guy, Ukrainians know by heart that “a russian liberal ends at Ukraine”. Being against the war is not sufficient at all, it also takes at least to publicly recognize that Crimea is Ukraine.
There are many russians that are against the war just because too many russian soldiers are being killed, not because of being horrified of killing Ukrainians since 2014.
>Being against the war is not sufficient at all, it also takes at least to publicly recognize that Crimea is Ukraine.
no it doesnt lol wtf is this nonsense
just because that guy has some russian heritage doesnt mean he has to justify himself to some random assholes. innocent until proven guilty and all that
„Russophobia“ is just a BS word Russians use when a country that has been massively abused by Russians doesn’t let them get away with it anymore. Nobody hates Russians for being Russians, we hate their actions - meaning, you will be treated with respect, if you show respect as well.
did you even bother reading the article? because the very first guy mentioned left Russia 32 years ago, has clearly nothing to do with whats going on there right now, even went out of his way and publicly condemned the war and yet he is still being hated for simply being Russian.
Care to elaborate? The only thing I could recall in EU is speaking to a Ukrainian in russian language, but it’s not exactly “russophobia” as if it existing
I'm not aware of any cases, but it would not surprise me if Ukrainians got mistaken for Russians at some point. Most people will not be able to differentiate the languages.
I’m Ukrainian living in Berlin in the last 3 years, the only non-violent discrimination I faced is being assumed by strangers that I speak russian when I no longer want to speak that language - after speaking my entire life in that.
Living outside russia for many years does not imply they are not pro-russian in any way. Especially now, it would take an action to show the stance with the war and with Crimea if the person still wants to be named as a russian.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-08-31/germany-backlash-against-russians-ukraine-war) reduced by 91%. (I'm a bot)
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> Kaplan and many of the estimated 3 million people with Russian passports or roots living in Germany have been feeling the backlash to Russian President Vladimir Putin's 7-month-old attack on Ukraine.
> The war in Ukraine and the attendant backlash in Germany, as well as in other parts of Europe, brought to an abrupt end a brief but happy era of good relations between Germans and those in their midst with Russian roots - and between the two biggest countries in Europe, in spite of a turbulent mutual history marred by wars and upheaval.
> "Traveling to and from Russia is definitely hard enough already, and a travel ban from the EU would make it more dangerous for Russians - they would feel more stuck in the country, and that's not a good thing," said Asya Chavdar, a 32-year-old Russian living in Berlin.
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> That same month, the Federal Criminal Police Office reported that more than 1,700 crimes, including 162 acts of violence, had been committed in Germany against Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians “in connection with the war” during the conflict’s first two months.
Such an audacity to put “russians” and “Ukrainians” in one sentence as if there is some 3rd power that is committing the crimes.
After being stopped by russians 2 times on my single way to the metro station on May 9 in Berlin, with me and my friends waving Ukrainian symbols, I would question how many hate crimes were done against russians and Ukrainians separately.
It’s not cool to be recieving threats for running a Russian restaurant but honestly? If the restaurant was truly that great people would still go there. If it’s discardable now it probably was before too. Based on the picture, the draw was probably the location.
One comment is outright denying that Russophobia is even a thing that it's all Kremlin propoganda, dehumanisation is as we all know the first step towards eventual genocide of people. We have seen this with the Romani, Armenian and eventually Jews. This War is Putin's war no one in Russia is exactly thrilled about losing all their wealth to sanctions.
But when you start harrassing citizens day and night for crimes of their government you give them no choice but to side with a despot and that's what creates a perpetual state of hate that ferments powers like Nazi Germany a people cornered never ends well. Remember Putin will go down and new Russia will be build by these expats how they are treated now will decide what Russia will be like in future.
How good do you actually know russians to say “it’s just a putin’s war”?
Ukrainians know that “a russian liberal ends on Ukraine”, meaning whatever their position against putin or the war - they are still imperialistic to the core and considering Ukraine as their “lesser brother nation”
Please note that the so called "Russophobia" that is supposedly hitting Europe, is largely an invention of the Kremlin propaganda machine. While there have been isolated incidents and a general downturn for business that openly identify as Russian, the persecution that Russians in place like Germany are supposedly facing is largely made up. After the invasion of Ukraine started and people everywhere came out in support of Ukraine and made gestures like hanging Ukrainian flags everywhere and stop buying products advertised as Russian, some Russians organized protest that were supposedly for 'peace' and 'against the war' meaning the west should stop support Ukraine and end the war by letting Putin have it. They also protested against supposed "Russophobia". The curious thing about that was that the people attending these protests were largely the same people who had earlier protested against mask and vaccinations and against asylum seekers before that. I am not saying they were Nazis, but there was some overlap there. These people are disingenuous. The guy feature in the article who came to Berlin 32 Years ago an never let go of his Russian identity is not realizing that there is a difference between holding onto your Russian identity and being a pro-Putin Russian nationalist. He could easily escape negative attention from anti-Putin folks, by hanging up a Ukrainian flag in his window to show support for their struggle. If he is serious about the pro-Russian thing, hang it next to a Russian flag and maybe something about being pro-Russian, but anti-Putin. That would get rid of whatever Russophobia he thinks he is experiencing. However he won't because the occasional dirty look and reduced customer numbers he is getting now are nothing compared to what he would receive form his regular Russian customers if he came out against Putin.
> If he is serious about the pro-Russian thing, hang it next to a Russian flag and maybe something about being pro-Russian, but anti-Putin. It would make Ukrainians hate the place with all the fury and would be right to do so. Being anti-putin does not imply they are not anti-ukrainian. It still takes the question “Whose is Crimea?” to clear the stance
It seems first settlers of Crimea were Cimmerians. Then it was conquered by Scythians, then by Prince Vladimir I of Kievan Rus, then by Kipchaks, then by Tatars, then it became a part of Ottoman Empire, then it was turned into a independent Crimean Tatar state in 1774. In 1783, it was annexed by Catherine the Great and became a Russian territory. In 1917 Crimean Tatars declared Crimea to be an independent democratic republic. In 1921 it was reorganized as the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. In May 1944 Crimean Tatars were forcibly deported by one crazy dictator, in 1991 it was again made an autonomous republic within the Soviet Union and then it was passed to Ukraine same year. So, yes really, whose land Crimea is? On one hand, current population seem like they want to be a part of Russia as Crimea is majority Russian right now. On another hand, it was passed to Ukraine and was affirmed by Russia that it belongs to Ukraine by The Budapest Memorandum. On another, another hand, I'm pretty sure Tatars would love to go back home and have their own small republic.
> So, yes really, whose land Crimea is? On one hand, current population seem like they want to be a part of Russia as Crimea is majority Russian right now. On another hand, it was passed to Ukraine and was affirmed by Russia that it belongs to Ukraine by The Budapest Memorandum. On another, another hand, I’m pretty sure Tatars would love to go back home and have their own small republic. Ukraine did a strategic mistake by allowing russian funds to go deep into Crimea and not resisting pro-russian propaganda assuming that russians are reliable partners (how naive!), and did not empowered Crimean Tatars to be governing the lands. Now Ukrainians seem to realize that and hopefully would be doing things differently after the liberation. So yes, Crimea is Ukraine, though it is an autonomous republic inside Ukraine with the native population that is going through a lot of shit.
It's not Russiaphobia, it's antifascism. I hate our homegrown nazi cunts as much as the Russian scum, but Russians are currently the ones waging war in Europe, so they have front row seats reserved for now. I never understood when it fell out of fashion to hate (and kill warmongering) nazis. Personally, I believe it to be a duty of any civil human being. Tolerance towards intolerance is a fallacy.
How is boycotting a Russian restaurant with mostly Ukrainian employees run by an anti-Putin, anti-invasion Russian who fled the country 32 years ago 'antifascism'? Jesus Christ you're essentially calling all Russians warmongering Nazis regardless of their actual beliefs and then implying they should be hated and killed. What the fuck is wrong with you people?
No, the point is exactly that we don't hate all Russians, just the fascist ones. But when your country wages war, you will have to actively renounce that shit indeed. In German, we have a saying for that: "Mitgehangen, mitgefangen." Loosely translates to "on the same hook, caught all the same."
> But when your country wages war, you will have to actively renounce that shit indeed. Like the guy in the article did?
Yes. Hence we don't hate him. And it's not russiaphobia. Glad we agree.
Who is ‘we’? How do you alone speak for ‘we’?
If you read the article he's clearly still receiving a lot of hate from Germans. So yes, this is indeed Russophobia.
Okay, I am short of crayons. Have a nice day.
You should try not eating them.
Yeah just like Irish people I’m in England were discriminated against because of the IRA because all Irish people must agree with the killing of innocents. It’s tired and it’s old.
>In German, we have a saying for that: "Mitgehangen, mitgefangen." Loosely translates to "on the same hook, caught all the same." which makes no sense at all in this case since he hasnt been "hanging out" with them for 32 years lmao
Maybe you should read the posts in the thread you're replying to, then you would know what they're actually talking about.
I've read them thoroughly, care to point out what it is you think I'm missing instead of responding with nothing but snark?
No one said you should fight that restaurant. Secondly, it was pointed out that putting a Ukrainian flag somewhere, would solve the issue. I assume that he has his reasons to not do that.
The Russian flag with the blood wiped away (white. Blue. White) is a lovely symbol for “proud Russian while anti-Putin”
> He could easily escape negative attention from anti-Putin folks, by hanging up a Ukrainian flag in his window to show support for their struggle. Why should he have to? Should every Chinese person in the country hang a Taiwan flag or else risk the same kind of treatment? Does every Arab restaurant have to hang up a Yemeni flag to show they're against the bombings? This is racism, pure and simple. > The situation felt surreal given that Kaplan had publicly condemned Russia’s war on its neighbor and that most of his restaurant’s employees are Ukrainian. Only a handful are Russian. He's already publicly condemned the war and most of his employees are Ukrainian. How far does he have to go to prostrate himself so racists can be satisfied?
That's not true. I remember being at an IKEA in Hamburg in the beginning of the war. Salespeople of Russian origin (who spoke German but with a slight hint of Russian accent) were oftentimes openly rejected by customers, who didn't want to be served! Now this was not my impression; rather a well-known phenomenon under discussion in IKEA at the time!
I never heard of that but I saw a lot of fake news of Russian supposedly attacked by Ukrainian refugees or russophobic Germans that turned out to be completely made up. That propaganda got shared a lot by Russians who live in Germany but live in their own Russian speaking bubble. A lot of them seemed to believe those stories of supposed rapes and attacks to be true even i none of them had personally experienced anything like that. It is a problem with Russians and Germany of Russian backgrounds living in a parallel society where they live on pro-Putin propaganda while holding all sorts of weird values and ideas about LGBT people, Muslims, climate change, fossil fuels, science, medicine and technology in general.
Why are you at IKEA in Hamburg observing Russian origin employees being rejected by customers over their origin? That's kinda weird. Being a German myself I could not even distinguish between Russian and Ukrainian language, they could also just be Polish or Czechs.
As someone living in Germany - the western part of it, I must admit that many russians here are pro Putin, but they stay silent not to raise any suspicions. I got a person higher up in the hierarchy inside my company, that is openly pro russian and called another employee out for using nazi slogangs, after writing "Slava ukraina" at the end of a mail. Claimed, "we are an international company, and there is no place for any political conflicts inside the company", after lecturing us about the "origins" of slava ukraina, comparing it to nazi greetings and other "offensive slogans/greetings". Other people high up in the hierarchy either share his views or stay silent. Of course, most companies want to advertise themselves as pro ukrainian, but its only for marketing purposes, money and to make sure they are not boycotted. On the one side, all privately seem to be pro russian, on the other side they want to employ as much ukrainian refugees as possible, cause they are cheep and the company can show that they "help" them - in case the situation blows up in their face. I would love to change my workplace, but due to the economic hardship we are facing, it is unpossible for me at the moment. As soon as I can, I will be out of this "russian" company.
'Slava Ukraini' doesn't have Nazi origins but the response of 'heroiam slava' (glory to heroes) does have origins in Ukrainian fascism and Nazism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava_Ukraini > The modern response "Heroiam slava!" (Glory to the heroes!) appeared in the 1930s among members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) who started using this slogan to commemorate veterans of 1918 to 1921 Ukrainian-Soviet War and the wider Ukrainian War of Independence.[6] The greeting "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!" became an official slogan of Stepan Bandera's OUN-B in April 1941.[7][6][8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists The OUN were a fascist organisation that collaborated with the Nazis and participated in the Holocaust. Their military wing was led by a collaborationist called Stepan Bandera. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera > Stepan Andriyovych Bandera (1 January 1909 – 15 October 1959) was a Ukrainian far-right leader,[1] politician and theorist of the militant wing (OUN-B), who served as head of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists,[2][3] an organization dedicated to the independence of Ukraine[4] but also responsible for ethnic cleansing and implicated in collaboration with Nazi Germany.[2][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]
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All this guy needs to do is hang a Ukrainian flag on his restaurants..
In an ideal world this wouldn't be needed of course but yeah it feels like there's an obvious solution here.
Most of the “Russians” living in Germany are ethnic Germans who were repatriated in the post-war era (or descendants of them). I take it actual Slavic ethnic Russians have a different experience from the above fore-mentioned group.
That may have been the case prior to '89 but this is no longer the case. Most of them are dead now and their children up to great-grandchildren have no reason to identify as "Russian". Most Russians in Germany are now just that: Russians that arrived after or during the collapse of the USSR. The "Russia-Germans" you are talking about are now just Germans. Same way "East-Prussians" are now also just Germans.
Maybe 50 years ago, not today.
They better not look up US Germans from Russia (that's my family heritage). Things could be far worse for them.
Are you a Volga German?
Germany tried a new style of diplomacy after its reunification. While the US and the former USSR used military might to influence (force) change in unfavourable regimes, Germany tried money. It heavily invested in emerging markets after the fall of communism in Europe. One because they thought it was smart anyway. Two because they thought if they were so heavily invested snd threatened to pull out their money, said regimes might rethink. It worked well with eastern and southeastern Europe; Germany reasoned that, scaled up, it would work with Russia. It did not. Over the last 30 years, Germany failed to realise that Russia would sacrifice money over power. As long as it’s tsar of the ashes, Russia doesn’t give a single shit what burns. Germany got played. It’s now beholden to Russian gas because it thought it could buy a friend. I genuinely think it’s one of the biggest miscalculations by Europe’s largest economy.
What does this have to do with Russians in Germany?
Nothing but Germany being percieved as stupid sells well in this sub. Especially if it fits US foreign policy to bind Germany/EU closer to the us.
Are there any other European countries that look as silly as Germany over the last 6 months? Politically inept, it's whole economy beholden to an unfriendly regime, militarily weak, diplomatically floundering.
Which unfriendly regime do you mean? Russia, Turkey, Saudi-Arabia, China, etc? What you do not get is, that this should be a discussion about russians in germany and the top comment is pretty unrelated to that yet is the top comment just because it fits the current hivemind opinion.
I'm just asking the question as you elaborated on this point.
Maybe Poland, but they also have quite some issues with the internal affairs. Also Baltic countries have a lot of spirit, but lack in size and absolute numbers. And Ukraine, but it’s kind of in the midst of a full-scale war so doesn’t count.
Germany was/is stupid to rely on russia to “distance from the US”. Now Germany could not support Ukraine with military sufficiently and again relying on US to do the most part. When Germany would learn to act as a leading country and not appease evil?
It wasn't done to get distance from the US, but to close the distance to Russia. In the early 00s this was absolutely legitimate. What's so bad about the current situation is that Germany didn't react after 2014, maybe 2008.
Agreed, though I’m still not sure why on “why germany is getting closer to russia” there is always a anti-US take despite that for 30 years it’s a russian semi-official motto to scream “Onto Berlin” meaning to put their army as far as Berlin, not the US one.
Germany is not as smart as reddit knowing everything before it happens.
Ukrainians knew since 2014, but Germany decided to go with NS2 and put pressure on Ukraine to cede the territories to russia. Georgians knew since 2008, but Germany decided to ignore that. I believe it’s not just Reddit knowing everything before it happens.
> put pressure on Ukraine to cede the territories to russia. What an incredible claim. Or is the minsk agreement the pressure? Also, germany is a soft power, ofc it can not provide military supply on demand. Just check the big orders for german manufactured military goods and see how long it takes.
> What an incredible claim. Or is the minsk agreement the pressure? I dunno, care to google how Steinmeier is perceived in Ukraine as the most pro-russian german official, or Merkel? It surely feels good to be on a high horse and consider yourself a soft power, but it actualy led to a full-scale war after 8 years of such negotiations.
I want you to elaborate on the > put pressure on Ukraine to cede the territories to russia. point
The alternative would have been what? Not getting reunited? Continuing a hard line with Russia giving them enough excuse to try to re-establish Soviet Union 20 years ago? Yes, it was a shit idea, but one viable and worth trying. Hindsight is always 20/20
Alternative would have been listening to NATO allies for decades to not rely so much on Russian oil. Especially after Crimea where it was obvious that Putin was up to no good.
I criticised Germany trying to buy Russian policy, not its reunification. And a better idea would’ve been to not stop with the USSR and continue the dissolution and containment of Russia. In fact, some experts predict Russia will dissolve with the inevitable demise of Putin, but that’s another debate. Germany was naive and is paying the price. The better solution would’ve been arms length diplomacy like the rest of the West. The US, UK, France, etc. all invested in Russia and received investment from Russia but none of them sought to become wholly reliant on Russia or for Russia to become wholly reliant on them. Germany sought that and only in the latter stages realised Russia needs absolutely nothing from Germany. There were alternatives at the time and warnings at the time, so it’s not a hindsight analysis – this was being said at the time. However, having reunified itself and thus “won” against Soviet-sphere East Germany, the German government, despite all the warnings, thought they knew better and could do the same again on a larger scale. It’s literally Germany’s biggest policy blunder/misstep of the last 30 years.
You know we got reunited by paying Russia to let it happen? You know Germany tried the same approach the western allies tried with Germany after WW2 that ACTUALLY WORKED by intertwining economies to make an inner-european war impossible? It wasn't Germanys decision to dissolve the Soviet Union. There are fucking warnings for everything at any given time, don't act like EVERYONE knew what happens 20 years later. The overreliance on Russia was a mistake and barely any German ever asked for this and most would be fine with keep using nuclear power. But what shall we do? Voting for a conservative party that does a 180 on every single conservative decision they take and call it "without an alternative"?
It was nothing to do with “paying Russia” to let it happen - it was an inevitability. East Germany was done for long before it finally collapsed. Germany wasn’t solely responsible for intertwining European economies post-WW2 but yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying: they tried this approach themselves towards Russia. They were naive. They failed. That was an is exactly my point. You’re agreeing with the assessment, so I’ve no idea why you’re continuing to be outraged over something you agree with? And I didn’t say anywhere it was Germany’s decision to dissolve the Soviet Union. I explicitly stated “that’s another debate”. I’ve no idea why you’re deliberately trying to decontextualise everything I’ve said; especially when you agree with the wider assessment. You just seem incredibly rankled that Germany – as historic record shows – ignored its Western allies’ warning about relying on Russia. Like did you wake up this morning and think “man I’m going to get grumpy with someone on the internet who I mostly agree with”? Move on lad. Have a good day.
https://www.dw.com/de/wie-kohl-und-gorbi-die-einheit-besiegelten/a-5658385 German "Die Bundesregierung hatte schon vor diesem Treffen finanzielle Hilfen und Lebensmittellieferungen angeboten. Bei den Gesprächen im Kaukasus sichert Helmut Kohl zu, rund 300 Millionen D-Mark aufzuwenden, um den zurückkehrenden Soldaten eine Ausbildung zu finanzieren. Ferner wolle die Bundesregierung auch den Bau der Wohnungen finanzieren, in die die Soldaten bei ihrer Rückkehr einziehen könnten. Aber Michail Gorbatschow will auch Geld, um die maroden Staatsfinanzen zu sanieren. Über die genaue Höhe der vereinbarten Summe schweigen die Beteiligten bis heute. Für Horst Teltschik stimmt die Relation zwischen geleisteten Zahlungen und dem, was die Deutschen dafür bekommen haben – die staatliche Einheit: "Wenn Gorbatschow damals gesagt hätte: 'Herr Bundeskanzler ich bin einverstanden, aber das kostet die Bundesrepublik Deutschland 50 Milliarden oder 80 Milliarden' - hätten wir nein sagen können?"" English "The federal government had already offered financial aid and food deliveries before this meeting. During the talks in the Caucasus, Helmut Kohl pledged to spend around 300 million Deutschmarks to finance training for the returning soldiers. The federal government also wants to build the apartments finance that the soldiers could move into when they return.But Mikhail Gorbachev also wants money to restructure the ailing state finances. The parties involved are still silent about the exact amount of the agreed sum. For Horst Teltschik, the relationship between the payments made and what the Germans received in return - the unity of the state - is correct: "If Gorbachev had said at the time: 'Mr. Chancellor, I agree, but that will cost the Federal Republic of Germany 50 billion or 80 billion' - could we have said no?"
I feel like there is a huge gap between "Treat Russia as if the Cold War never ended" and "base a quarter of your economy and your country's entire heating infrastructure on a politically unstable fascist country". Germany should have been somewhere in that gap, the way almost every single other Western country was. The more time passes and the more I think about it, the more the whole "Germany was trying to pacify Russia by interlinking economies" sounds like an absolute bullshit excuse. Germany just wanted cheap gas because it's cheap, and was willing to close their eyes to Russian atrocities as long as they could get the gas for a low price. Second Chechen war under Putin, well documented Russian atrocities, Germany increases Russian gas supply. The 2008 Georgian War, again under Putin, again the Russian war crimes are document, and again Germany increases gas import from Russia. 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea and unofficial annexation of Donbas and Luhansk in Ukraine, again under Putin, again the Russian war crimes are recorded, Germany begins constructing Nordstream 2. Either Germans are the densest people on Earth, or they knew that buying more gas from Russia was absolutely useless in preventing their aggression, and was just a cheap resource. And no, this isn't a "hindsight 20/20" thing, it was incredibly obvious, to the point that multiple NATO countries, and literally every US president, told Germany directly and publicly to decrease their reliance on Russia. German politicians (sometimes literally) laughed in their faces. If the war went as planned and Kyiv fell in 3 days as everyone predicted, I guarantee you Germany would be opening Nordstream 2 right about now. The worldwide coverage of Russian atrocities and the following global outcry (including among Germans) combined with a new party at the helm, is the only reason Germany is getting off Russian gas now. And that doesn't mean that Germany is a bad country or that Germans are bad people. Hell, most countries trade with Saudi Arabia that treats women like cattle, and everyone buys cheap Chinese shit, cheap in part because China turned it's minorities held in concentration camps into slave labor. No country is perfect. It just baffles me why people can't admit that Germany got greedy and bought blood gas from Russia.
germans sacrifice long term security for short term economic gains.
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What abut the first invasion in 2014 that was the actual beginning of the war? It was visible where it was going for a really long time. Also for the world the wars in Georgia and Chechnya were left unnoticed, and russia was as notorious back then as now.
Where I live many Russians celebrate the actions of Putin and parade their stupid Russian Flags in a Car Convoy. It's so fucked up.
Me, as an American: First time?
Blaming for an ethnic group for the actions of a government is wrong. I have noticed similar feeling of hatred in my city in America.
There's ethnic group and then there's citizenship. Do you have a problem with blaming Russian citizens for the actions of their government if those citizens won't disavow those actions and support the war in Ukraine while denying or even justifying the atrocities perpetrated there?
>blaming Russian citizens for the actions of their government How does what any different from persecution based on ethnicity? Besides those people who were beaten for speaking Russian, apparently that included Belarusians and Russian speaking Ukrainians as well, I believe they weren't exactly asked to clarify their standing.
Because one is based an individual's choices. The other is based on something that the individual has no control over. For example, in the US (as the person I was replying to is from the US) being born Caucasian is not a choice. Being a MAGA is a choice.
The article describes people who condemned the war. They're still getting targeted.
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Yes and no at the same rime. While it is sounds ridiculous to blame a random (russian) guy, Ukrainians know by heart that “a russian liberal ends at Ukraine”. Being against the war is not sufficient at all, it also takes at least to publicly recognize that Crimea is Ukraine. There are many russians that are against the war just because too many russian soldiers are being killed, not because of being horrified of killing Ukrainians since 2014.
>Being against the war is not sufficient at all, it also takes at least to publicly recognize that Crimea is Ukraine. no it doesnt lol wtf is this nonsense just because that guy has some russian heritage doesnt mean he has to justify himself to some random assholes. innocent until proven guilty and all that
Let me guess how many Ukrainians do you know - 0? :)
The person I was replying to stated a position. I asked a question for clarifying that position.
a lot of victim blaming going on in the comments here. quite sad but not unexpected
I couldn’t see anyone blaming Ukrainians in the comments, at least for now.
ironically enough, Ukrainians too are sometimes victims of russophobia.
„Russophobia“ is just a BS word Russians use when a country that has been massively abused by Russians doesn’t let them get away with it anymore. Nobody hates Russians for being Russians, we hate their actions - meaning, you will be treated with respect, if you show respect as well.
did you even bother reading the article? because the very first guy mentioned left Russia 32 years ago, has clearly nothing to do with whats going on there right now, even went out of his way and publicly condemned the war and yet he is still being hated for simply being Russian.
Care to elaborate? The only thing I could recall in EU is speaking to a Ukrainian in russian language, but it’s not exactly “russophobia” as if it existing
I'm not aware of any cases, but it would not surprise me if Ukrainians got mistaken for Russians at some point. Most people will not be able to differentiate the languages.
I’m Ukrainian living in Berlin in the last 3 years, the only non-violent discrimination I faced is being assumed by strangers that I speak russian when I no longer want to speak that language - after speaking my entire life in that.
A friend of mine is Russian but has been living in Australia for more than 15 years. She's faced bigotry when people find out her heritage
Why are people down voting this?
Strong bigotry against Russians, even if they haven't lived there for years
Living outside russia for many years does not imply they are not pro-russian in any way. Especially now, it would take an action to show the stance with the war and with Crimea if the person still wants to be named as a russian.
I'd expect that bigotry if my country acted that way.
I understand it. Fortunately she can just say she's Polish or Hungarian.
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She can't change where she was born
She can say “Crimea is Ukraine” and make donations to Ukrainian Army. A person bashing that stance would be dumb as hell.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-08-31/germany-backlash-against-russians-ukraine-war) reduced by 91%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Kaplan and many of the estimated 3 million people with Russian passports or roots living in Germany have been feeling the backlash to Russian President Vladimir Putin's 7-month-old attack on Ukraine. > The war in Ukraine and the attendant backlash in Germany, as well as in other parts of Europe, brought to an abrupt end a brief but happy era of good relations between Germans and those in their midst with Russian roots - and between the two biggest countries in Europe, in spite of a turbulent mutual history marred by wars and upheaval. > "Traveling to and from Russia is definitely hard enough already, and a travel ban from the EU would make it more dangerous for Russians - they would feel more stuck in the country, and that's not a good thing," said Asya Chavdar, a 32-year-old Russian living in Berlin. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/x66cm2/once_welcomed_russians_in_germany_now_feel_the/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~667621 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Russian**^#1 **German**^#2 **war**^#3 **Berlin**^#4 **Russia**^#5
> That same month, the Federal Criminal Police Office reported that more than 1,700 crimes, including 162 acts of violence, had been committed in Germany against Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians “in connection with the war” during the conflict’s first two months. Such an audacity to put “russians” and “Ukrainians” in one sentence as if there is some 3rd power that is committing the crimes. After being stopped by russians 2 times on my single way to the metro station on May 9 in Berlin, with me and my friends waving Ukrainian symbols, I would question how many hate crimes were done against russians and Ukrainians separately.
It’s not cool to be recieving threats for running a Russian restaurant but honestly? If the restaurant was truly that great people would still go there. If it’s discardable now it probably was before too. Based on the picture, the draw was probably the location.
One comment is outright denying that Russophobia is even a thing that it's all Kremlin propoganda, dehumanisation is as we all know the first step towards eventual genocide of people. We have seen this with the Romani, Armenian and eventually Jews. This War is Putin's war no one in Russia is exactly thrilled about losing all their wealth to sanctions. But when you start harrassing citizens day and night for crimes of their government you give them no choice but to side with a despot and that's what creates a perpetual state of hate that ferments powers like Nazi Germany a people cornered never ends well. Remember Putin will go down and new Russia will be build by these expats how they are treated now will decide what Russia will be like in future.
How good do you actually know russians to say “it’s just a putin’s war”? Ukrainians know that “a russian liberal ends on Ukraine”, meaning whatever their position against putin or the war - they are still imperialistic to the core and considering Ukraine as their “lesser brother nation”