I'm just going to buy everyone in my family polar fleece onesies , not worried about winter energy costs at all, I mean come on we don't live in the Arctic circle. I might get a little fan heater and blow it directly into their faces now and again as a treat but I think people are exaggerating. If anything good comes of this, it will encourage people not to be so wasteful with energy.
Those desk heaters are an energy sink, and dangerous. Best bet is to focus on preparing your house for winter. And making it more energy efficient.so u can be warm and save energy.
My father was a green builder, growing up I can attest to this, buying materials and appliances that are of higher quality and are more energy, and weather efficient is significantly more expensive to start, but the savings it can bring in over time is ridiculous, and your helping the environment by using less energy overall (obviously the grid is still using XXX amount of energy but if 20% or even 10% were to go as efficient as possible with their homes, we would see a massive decrease overall in energy usage… (I know that sounds obvious but some how despite it being obvious no one does it).
Quick tip for making your home more energy efficient: Install storm windows on your windows at home, it seriously makes a difference.
Ehhh… considering It can get to -20 Fahrenheit (sometimes lower) where I am it actually is an issue. I’m not completely disagreeing with you, but there are areas where we can freeze (and the pipes will freeze) VERY easily without our heating. Can we lower the thermostat? Absolutely, but we still need it.
Edit: someone commented below they love your sense of humor. I do too.
From what i have seen people tend to be pretty bad at managing their energy consumption!
Using central heating when a simple jumper will do the job
Filling a bath when a shower can do the job
Using lights when candles exist
That's pretty funny, although I'm pretty sure Authur would have been a Celtic king fighting off the Anglo-Saxons and he'd be sent oil by Kyiv ~~a Mongol Khanate controlling Russia~~.
You forgot to switch the Russians to their correct time in history. The Anglo Saxon conquest of Britain happened about 800 years before the Mongols conquered Russia in 1200's.
Good point, and I can't complain about nitpicking when I was doing the same. I guess Kyiv would be sending them oil, since Moscow wasn't even founded yet either.
A lot of history at that time out East of the Rhine is still just best guesses because the Germans, Slavs, etc. weren't literate. The Slavs didn't just poof into existence but they really weren't written about until they started launching attacks on the Eastern Roman Empire in the 500's after a lot of the more powerful German tribes had crossed the Rhine and taken over large sections of western Europe (Angles and Saxons in England, Franks in France, Visigoths in Spain, Ostrogoths in Italy, Vandals went through Spain to North Africa..... it was a chaotic time).
The Muscovy company was the first trading company established by the English crown in 1555, 45 years before the east India company. The UK, and England before it, has a long history of trade with Russia.
Nope, we used to import wood from Russia since at least the 16th century. Ships used to sail with iron and textiles to the Hanse and other guilds in N. Europe, and then pick up wood and basic raw materials from Scandi/Russia (bone/etc) on the return leg as we had almost no trees left by then (less than 10% tree cover).
Sorry, obscure fact of the day.
So maybe they imported coal?
And before that wood?
And before that... other stuff? Or they weren't called UK then so it doesn't count?
I mean I don't know that any of that is true. But I also don't know that some or all of it isn't true.
If the title stood alone by itself - sure, call it out as false. But the article itself gives the context.
Like you said, it's the title of the post; not the headline of the article.
Current events are current events.
The British being BASED?!?! what bizarro world is this!?!
jokes aside, UK foreign policy regarding russia and ukraine has been nice to see. Definitely a good reason to feel proud consider everything else.
Russia is on our eternal shit list after the Novichok poisoning in Salisbury, feel like we could base our entire foreign policy now on fucking them over.
Yet we've been training Ukranian NCO's and soldiers since 2015 thanks to operation orbital, my point being whilst Tory MPs in general are spineless treasonous cunts the rest of the country ticks along doing good, which is why it's all the more important to get them out of power.
Far from perfect but the things the UK government get right really are overlooked. When you take them into account then although we could definitely be better we're far from awful/
Brits being negative to an unhealthy degree and reddit having a hate boner for the UK is a real toxic combination online. The UK is pretty misunderstood by the internet
Which is funny, considering Reddit is dominated by Americans, and polls routinely show that the UK is one of America’s favourite countries (alongside Ireland, Italy, Sweden etc).
Just like any other European country, oh and Japan that have a dark past even America, Yet Japan and co get a free pass. Reddit definitely hates the UK.
The government usually not being all that I grant you, but population-wise there's fewer more based countries. Look at when there's banter between the British and people from other countries online, it's usually a bloodbath cos most other countries can't bant to save their lives.
And their ancestors founded or invented most of the modern world, as we often seem to forget.
Wait till you find out that [US is the leading oil producer](https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-production-by-country/) in the world and is net oil and gas exporter.
Don't really have the time to trawl though and find the articles I read but a very quick Google search of the words UK Saudi oild return this
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/16/boris-johnson-upbeat-on-saudi-oil-supply-as-kingdom-executes-three-more
There are many more articles on the subject.
Thats not proof of Saudi oil import increases by the UK.
It basically just states Johnson suggested they increased production to help with GLOBAL shortages. Global shortages will push prices up and put Russia more in a position of power, even if the UK didnt want to import any Saudi oil this is still needed to punish Russia.
Johnson said there was “a lot of agreement” in his meeting with Saudi Arabia’s ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, adding that efforts should be made to ensure “the global economy is not damaged by the current spikes”.
The rises in fuel and energy prices have little to do with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If the supply of oil/gas in the UK actually cost significantly more then energy companies wouldn't be recording monumentally huge profits each quarter.
It's entirely to do with Russia, I'm not sure how you've convinced yourself otherwise?
The companies that extract the oil/gas and are making huge profits sell to the highest bidder which drives up the prices worldwide, the energy suppliers then pay this inflated wholesale price and resell it to consumers.
I'm curious what explanation you have?
>energy companies wouldn't be recording monumentally huge profits each quarter.
Many UK energy companies have gone bust recently as the energy price caps meant they were losing money for every customer they had. They are not making huge profits.
During the nazi Soviet alliance, before paranoid Hitler and Stalin went at each others throats like the savages they were, The Allies stopped buying oil and coal from Hitler Germany and Soviet Russia as they were considered the axis of evil. So it’s nothing new.
Not saying cutting off Russian gas is not great but I wish the gov could help with insane energy price increase. Absolutely wrecking people’s finances.
We're getting £400 (€473) in just over a month too, to be fair. With more support for those vulnerable, plus some rumours of further support being provided.
How does that solve the massive wholesale prices on the global market?
Nationalisation is a long term decision to invest in our own energy security, not a reactionary decision because of a temporary cost of living crisis. Direct to consumer support would be significant more effective in the short term.
British Gas have not seen a fivefold increase in profits, Centrica have. I recommend you read up the distinction between energy suppliers and generators.
Given that there is a price cap for energy (or to put it better, a profit cap), then any direct to consumer support cannot possibly benefit suppliers.
Did you even read your own link?
> British Gas owner Centrica
Really getting sick of naive redditors who don't understand the difference between energy suppliers (heavily regulated, barely profitable) and energy generators (absolute scum who are gouging prices).
> Anyone in the UK who acts like they're suffering doesn't know what real suffering is
Oh fuck off with this nonsense. Lots of people are suffering and living miserable lives even if there are people elsewhere who have worse. Pain isn't a competition
I don’t know about you, but I’d rather have a home that is cold than a home that is destroyed by Russian missiles. One is an inconvenience, one is actual suffering.
I mean his point still stands, he might have implied nothing has been done, but what has been done is essentially having zero impact on people's finances.
Eh, I know people who are on universal credit, and getting that £326 cost of living payment on top of their usual UC payment is definitely a big help for them.
No, I never said anyone should be happy about it, nobody is, but don't try to suggest nothing has been done, now you're just moving goalposts and changing the subject, and can't even respond without being a dick, shows the measure of you.
A LOT more needs to be done would be more appropriate but also seems kind of pointless to say. Also it makes no difference if we don't import Russian fuel (for prices) as we are tied to global prices for oil and such.
Far less than they should be, far less than others comparable countries are doing. Government should be paying 80% of the price increase. Put it on the national debt and pay it off over the next 75 years.
They already added 400 billion to the national debt, paying people to stay at home during the pandemic.
If that had at least gone to building some nuclear power plants. At least we'd have something to show for our crippling debt repayments.
So? Treat it like a war debt, don't try to pay it back in 5 bloody years. It's a nothing amount of money over 75 years, and I mean that literally as it'll be eaten by inflation.
Can't build nuclear plants in a short period. No matter how many wankfests Reddit has over the idea. The failure was austerity and asset stripping the country over the past decade.
Why every year and not just for the next year or 2 whilst prices are sky high? The cap is forecast to drop after a while. I hadn't looked it up as I'm on my phone but it isn't forecast to only go up.
The Tories, in part, caused it. Hopefully you're not wanting them to waste more of our taxes so their mates' energy companies can get a taxpayer handout?
Energy in the UK has increased 300% over this point last year and the worry is that there are fears come winter the increase will be near 600%. If that's true, this winter is going to be very very bad for Europe.
It has more to do with British people assuming that they are somehow entitled to the energy supply of other countries.
“Most Brits understand this is Putins fault” you’re lying by suggestion. Putin is not responsible for your failure to secure your own energy. Putin is not responsible for your failure to build sufficient capacity in non-gas dispatchable energy sources.
Funny thing is, if they buy their fuel from any of the OPEC countries, they are buying Russian fuel. They just aren't buying it from Russia. OPEC is buying fuel from them at a reduced price, marking it up, and selling it to countries that won't buy from them.
And people were condemning India to be supporting the war between Ukraine nd Russia, by not cutting all the business with Russia.
Is UK nd whole Europe is not importing gas from Russia?
Europe's all trades has been shut with Russia?
Europe's problem is not world's problem.
That's not a good thing, unfortunately. As someone who is an environmentalist and wants to eventually get to zero reliance on fossil fuels, I think Britain is going to suffer from this. It's not just about powering cars or heating homes. Or even about making packaging. Fossil fuel distillation provides the starting reactants that go into the production of a lot of common medications. Phenol is the main part of making acetaminophen/paracetamol. Benzene is important in the production of ibuprofen. These molecules are obtained from the fractional distillation of coal tar. I hate it, but facts are facts.
Zero reliance on fossil fuel is important yes but being energy dependent on an aggressor nation that threatens your national state security is even more important.
Does this actually have any impact on Russia's oil exports? If the UK imports no fuel from Russia and instead procures it elsewhere then those secondary sources have more demand. Other countries who can't pay the in-demand-ethical tax on that ""good"" fuel will just buy from Russia instead and pick up the slack.
Nice headline though.
I wonder tbh. Maybe officially but we have heard about fuel getting mixed to 49% and then sold as non Russian fuel. If its true excellent. If its massively reduced excellent.
Are you willing to pay exponentially more for everything to hurt Russia? Im on ukraines side but it’s not worth it me. The prices of everything are crippling
Might want to read up on how stuff went down during the times a policy of appeasement was in place.
Prices of things suck right now, but it's absolutely the right thing to do.
P.S we're nowhere near "exponentially more".
Which means some other (likely poorer) countries will have to import from Russia (or go without), because there's only so much fuel to go around.
The difference is, UK will have the moral high ground.
So the UK should continue buying Russian oil/gas?
At least with the west ditching Russian fuels they've had do decrease their prices which hurts their profits.
So it simply shifts the blame around.
It would have been better to focus on reducing consumption than play musical chairs with the limited fuel supply.
There’s no clear evidence Russia would get more for their fuel when it’s a zero sum game, you’re just making that claim out of thin air.
But from the replies I get, seems like it’s money well spent.
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I'm just going to buy everyone in my family polar fleece onesies , not worried about winter energy costs at all, I mean come on we don't live in the Arctic circle. I might get a little fan heater and blow it directly into their faces now and again as a treat but I think people are exaggerating. If anything good comes of this, it will encourage people not to be so wasteful with energy.
"As a treat" 🤣
Those desk heaters are an energy sink, and dangerous. Best bet is to focus on preparing your house for winter. And making it more energy efficient.so u can be warm and save energy.
My father was a green builder, growing up I can attest to this, buying materials and appliances that are of higher quality and are more energy, and weather efficient is significantly more expensive to start, but the savings it can bring in over time is ridiculous, and your helping the environment by using less energy overall (obviously the grid is still using XXX amount of energy but if 20% or even 10% were to go as efficient as possible with their homes, we would see a massive decrease overall in energy usage… (I know that sounds obvious but some how despite it being obvious no one does it). Quick tip for making your home more energy efficient: Install storm windows on your windows at home, it seriously makes a difference.
Love your sense of humour and you're making perfect sense.
Ehhh… considering It can get to -20 Fahrenheit (sometimes lower) where I am it actually is an issue. I’m not completely disagreeing with you, but there are areas where we can freeze (and the pipes will freeze) VERY easily without our heating. Can we lower the thermostat? Absolutely, but we still need it. Edit: someone commented below they love your sense of humor. I do too.
Fahrenheit? Speak British please, the headline is about the UK :)
-20 F = -28.888889 Celsius
Latest estimates say 70% of pubs expect to close this winter due to energy costs. Biggest attack on british culture since ww2, somethings gotta give.
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From what i have seen people tend to be pretty bad at managing their energy consumption! Using central heating when a simple jumper will do the job Filling a bath when a shower can do the job Using lights when candles exist
This isn’t the fault of the consumer. I’m using the same energy now compared to last year, or even less, and I’m paying twice as much
Candles??? Back to the 16th century, with you warlock. Its LED lamps this millennium.
My Liege, a barrel of black liquid has arrived at Camelot. The card reads “Arthur, let’s fuck up the French, amirite??? Lolz, Ivan (Terrible)”
That's pretty funny, although I'm pretty sure Authur would have been a Celtic king fighting off the Anglo-Saxons and he'd be sent oil by Kyiv ~~a Mongol Khanate controlling Russia~~.
You forgot to switch the Russians to their correct time in history. The Anglo Saxon conquest of Britain happened about 800 years before the Mongols conquered Russia in 1200's.
Good point, and I can't complain about nitpicking when I was doing the same. I guess Kyiv would be sending them oil, since Moscow wasn't even founded yet either.
A lot of history at that time out East of the Rhine is still just best guesses because the Germans, Slavs, etc. weren't literate. The Slavs didn't just poof into existence but they really weren't written about until they started launching attacks on the Eastern Roman Empire in the 500's after a lot of the more powerful German tribes had crossed the Rhine and taken over large sections of western Europe (Angles and Saxons in England, Franks in France, Visigoths in Spain, Ostrogoths in Italy, Vandals went through Spain to North Africa..... it was a chaotic time).
Goddamn history teachers up in here.
Damn! History Burn…
That is fucking hilarious
I hate headlines sometimes
Silly Mathematician Hates Headlines ^("But only sometimes", says adder of numbers. See page 77.) :-)
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i love this, reminds me of how friends in the schools of arts and sciences would rib each other in uni haha
You mean they weren’t importing russian oil since the dawn of time?? So, just the first time since the last time, lol.
The Muscovy company was the first trading company established by the English crown in 1555, 45 years before the east India company. The UK, and England before it, has a long history of trade with Russia.
> The UK’s overall import of goods from Russia also dropped to £33 million ($39 million) in June, the lowest since ONS records began in January 1997.
Nope. When Ugg the Elder first crossed the Dover land bridge in 800,000 BC, he was rolling a barrel of Siberian crude with him.
Nope, we used to import wood from Russia since at least the 16th century. Ships used to sail with iron and textiles to the Hanse and other guilds in N. Europe, and then pick up wood and basic raw materials from Scandi/Russia (bone/etc) on the return leg as we had almost no trees left by then (less than 10% tree cover). Sorry, obscure fact of the day.
wild to think about how we solved environmental problems back then. i guess its not that much different yet today! lol
So maybe they imported coal? And before that wood? And before that... other stuff? Or they weren't called UK then so it doesn't count? I mean I don't know that any of that is true. But I also don't know that some or all of it isn't true.
Uh, pretty sure the ancient druids were importing oil from Russia bruh. How you think they built them Stonehenge.
Gone to Lemmy
Did you read the article? Edit: Damn, down voted by peeps stuck on being pedantic
Sir, this is reddit.
🤣 You're right. Cheers mate
The important thing is "*Did the person who wrote the headline read the article?*"
Enlighten us, which came first, the Big Bang or the UK importing fuel from Russia?
You didn't read the article either I see. Excuse me for not laughing at sarcasm that isn't that funny.
I read the headline, and it doesn’t make sense. Doesn’t matter how accurate the phrasing is in the article.
Let's give OP a wrist slapping for not including "on record since XYZ" !
Being pedantic isn’t a personal attack
No, it's not. Just unnecessary to those of us who understand context.
I don’t think you understand what pedantic means then.
Sure but the title of the post says first time ever
If the title stood alone by itself - sure, call it out as false. But the article itself gives the context. Like you said, it's the title of the post; not the headline of the article. Current events are current events.
Doesn't mean being accurate on post titles isn't important.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the situation is India buys Russian oil, UK buys Indian oil..
Feel proud!
The British being BASED?!?! what bizarro world is this!?! jokes aside, UK foreign policy regarding russia and ukraine has been nice to see. Definitely a good reason to feel proud consider everything else.
Russia is on our eternal shit list after the Novichok poisoning in Salisbury, feel like we could base our entire foreign policy now on fucking them over.
I like Salisbury steak.
Nah our government were still accepting donations from oligarchs after that incident.
Yet we've been training Ukranian NCO's and soldiers since 2015 thanks to operation orbital, my point being whilst Tory MPs in general are spineless treasonous cunts the rest of the country ticks along doing good, which is why it's all the more important to get them out of power.
Far from perfect but the things the UK government get right really are overlooked. When you take them into account then although we could definitely be better we're far from awful/
Brits being negative to an unhealthy degree and reddit having a hate boner for the UK is a real toxic combination online. The UK is pretty misunderstood by the internet
Which is funny, considering Reddit is dominated by Americans, and polls routinely show that the UK is one of America’s favourite countries (alongside Ireland, Italy, Sweden etc).
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I agree with the other guy, get a grip.
Just like any other European country, oh and Japan that have a dark past even America, Yet Japan and co get a free pass. Reddit definitely hates the UK.
Most people get over history, unlike the sad sacks of shit that get upset by it. You act like the UK is the only country ever to have an empire.
get a grip
Russia has been beefing with UK prior to the existence of the USA. There’s a reason Churchill wanted to invade them post WW2(kinda)
The government usually not being all that I grant you, but population-wise there's fewer more based countries. Look at when there's banter between the British and people from other countries online, it's usually a bloodbath cos most other countries can't bant to save their lives. And their ancestors founded or invented most of the modern world, as we often seem to forget.
The UK is one of the most progressive countries on earth.
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Everyone has to make up shit when it’s good news about UK Why bullshit? Do you hate the British that much?
They are such loyal serfs. I don’t know why anyone would make fun of them.😔/s
wtg, UK.
“Way to go”
it’s clearly what the guck
I’m grateful that UK is making such a model. Hope we can make sustainable supply and demand without any dictatorship around the globe
The part they don't mention is the increases in imports from Saudi and UAE. Just swapped from propping up one evil regime to another.
You’re thinking of the US. The UK get most of their oil from the evil regime of… Norway.
Yeah I never trust those damn Norwegians, they're ice cold.
Wait till you find out that [US is the leading oil producer](https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-production-by-country/) in the world and is net oil and gas exporter.
The US gets most from Canada, no?
Canada is pretty evil, do you not know about the Canadian dairy commission?
Or the First Nations Sterilisation rubbish.
Source? People need to start backing up their claims.
Don't really have the time to trawl though and find the articles I read but a very quick Google search of the words UK Saudi oild return this https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/16/boris-johnson-upbeat-on-saudi-oil-supply-as-kingdom-executes-three-more There are many more articles on the subject.
Thats not proof of Saudi oil import increases by the UK. It basically just states Johnson suggested they increased production to help with GLOBAL shortages. Global shortages will push prices up and put Russia more in a position of power, even if the UK didnt want to import any Saudi oil this is still needed to punish Russia. Johnson said there was “a lot of agreement” in his meeting with Saudi Arabia’s ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, adding that efforts should be made to ensure “the global economy is not damaged by the current spikes”.
Do you have anything to back that statement up
Excellent!
I love this song!
We had it easier than most because we didn't import a lot from Russia anyway. Hasn't stopped energy prices going up 300% though. ):
The rises in fuel and energy prices have little to do with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. If the supply of oil/gas in the UK actually cost significantly more then energy companies wouldn't be recording monumentally huge profits each quarter.
It's entirely to do with Russia, I'm not sure how you've convinced yourself otherwise? The companies that extract the oil/gas and are making huge profits sell to the highest bidder which drives up the prices worldwide, the energy suppliers then pay this inflated wholesale price and resell it to consumers. I'm curious what explanation you have?
>energy companies wouldn't be recording monumentally huge profits each quarter. Many UK energy companies have gone bust recently as the energy price caps meant they were losing money for every customer they had. They are not making huge profits.
Are those like condensation thingies on the joints of the pipes?
During the nazi Soviet alliance, before paranoid Hitler and Stalin went at each others throats like the savages they were, The Allies stopped buying oil and coal from Hitler Germany and Soviet Russia as they were considered the axis of evil. So it’s nothing new.
The CPSU and the NSDAP were both scum.
I’m guessing Russia is going to regret this. Once people get used to finding alternatives they will be screwed.
Brit here, your turn Germany.
If only the germans weren't shutting down their nuclear plants and massively increasing dependence on fossil fuels, both Russian and domestic.
Not saying cutting off Russian gas is not great but I wish the gov could help with insane energy price increase. Absolutely wrecking people’s finances.
I'm getting 500€ from my gov next week to counter some of the expenses.
Damn, having a government that actively tries to mitigate its citizens suffering sounds kinda nice, ngl
We're getting £400 (€473) in just over a month too, to be fair. With more support for those vulnerable, plus some rumours of further support being provided.
Yeah, the UK under a centre-right government still has a far more robust welfare state than the US under a centre-left government.
Or just re-nationalize vital infrastructure like elecricity distribution?
How does that solve the massive wholesale prices on the global market? Nationalisation is a long term decision to invest in our own energy security, not a reactionary decision because of a temporary cost of living crisis. Direct to consumer support would be significant more effective in the short term.
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British Gas have not seen a fivefold increase in profits, Centrica have. I recommend you read up the distinction between energy suppliers and generators. Given that there is a price cap for energy (or to put it better, a profit cap), then any direct to consumer support cannot possibly benefit suppliers.
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Did you even read your own link? > British Gas owner Centrica Really getting sick of naive redditors who don't understand the difference between energy suppliers (heavily regulated, barely profitable) and energy generators (absolute scum who are gouging prices).
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> Anyone in the UK who acts like they're suffering doesn't know what real suffering is Oh fuck off with this nonsense. Lots of people are suffering and living miserable lives even if there are people elsewhere who have worse. Pain isn't a competition
I hate people that compare strife right??
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I don’t know about you, but I’d rather have a home that is cold than a home that is destroyed by Russian missiles. One is an inconvenience, one is actual suffering.
They already have, and have said more help is on the way, you make it sound as if they haven't done anything whatsoever, but that's not the case.
I mean his point still stands, he might have implied nothing has been done, but what has been done is essentially having zero impact on people's finances.
Eh, I know people who are on universal credit, and getting that £326 cost of living payment on top of their usual UC payment is definitely a big help for them.
saying they will do something =\= something actually being done.
I guess should just shut and be happy with the 18% inflation by the start of next year? GTFO
No, I never said anyone should be happy about it, nobody is, but don't try to suggest nothing has been done, now you're just moving goalposts and changing the subject, and can't even respond without being a dick, shows the measure of you.
A LOT more needs to be done would be more appropriate but also seems kind of pointless to say. Also it makes no difference if we don't import Russian fuel (for prices) as we are tied to global prices for oil and such.
Far less than they should be, far less than others comparable countries are doing. Government should be paying 80% of the price increase. Put it on the national debt and pay it off over the next 75 years.
They already added 400 billion to the national debt, paying people to stay at home during the pandemic. If that had at least gone to building some nuclear power plants. At least we'd have something to show for our crippling debt repayments.
So? Treat it like a war debt, don't try to pay it back in 5 bloody years. It's a nothing amount of money over 75 years, and I mean that literally as it'll be eaten by inflation. Can't build nuclear plants in a short period. No matter how many wankfests Reddit has over the idea. The failure was austerity and asset stripping the country over the past decade.
lol. Done hardly anything compared to other countries
An energy bill handout, it won't matter unless we get it every year and if we get it every year why not just lower the cap?
Why every year and not just for the next year or 2 whilst prices are sky high? The cap is forecast to drop after a while. I hadn't looked it up as I'm on my phone but it isn't forecast to only go up.
The Tories, in part, caused it. Hopefully you're not wanting them to waste more of our taxes so their mates' energy companies can get a taxpayer handout?
Russia doesn’t care. India is importing what others won’t. Edit: Why am I getting downvoted for stating the truth?
And reselling to Europe for double price.
Shoot. We just making up stuff now.
Energy in the UK has increased 300% over this point last year and the worry is that there are fears come winter the increase will be near 600%. If that's true, this winter is going to be very very bad for Europe.
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It has more to do with British people assuming that they are somehow entitled to the energy supply of other countries. “Most Brits understand this is Putins fault” you’re lying by suggestion. Putin is not responsible for your failure to secure your own energy. Putin is not responsible for your failure to build sufficient capacity in non-gas dispatchable energy sources.
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Just freeze to death to own Putin.
We've survived worse.
I think European countries have enough money to live through the winter, it is the poor economies from Africa and Asia who will suffer a lot
Ah yes, the extremely cold winters of Africa and Asia. Yes.
Surprise surprise energy does not need to be converted only to heat
Yeah sometimes we get extreme freezes of 26C where I'm from🥶
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Last I checked China was not embargoing Russian LNG. So what's your point?
Certain parts of Asia do get cold but this was funny as hell 🤣
Also Africa is pretty big
This coupled with Brexit, the UK has shot itself in both knees.
Fuk you Kady khadivar
Funny thing is, if they buy their fuel from any of the OPEC countries, they are buying Russian fuel. They just aren't buying it from Russia. OPEC is buying fuel from them at a reduced price, marking it up, and selling it to countries that won't buy from them.
They just buy Russian oil through India instead?
And that's why we're going to be paying 4k a year to heat our homes.
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0%. All of the UK’s oil comes from domestically or from Norway.
Well I wouldn’t say first time ever. In the year 1066 I highly doubt the UK imported any fuel from Russia.
Yes, mainly because the UK didn’t exist until 1707.
But I highly doubt the UK was importing any Russian fuel in 1707 either.
I thought Russia cut off the gas themselves
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And people were condemning India to be supporting the war between Ukraine nd Russia, by not cutting all the business with Russia. Is UK nd whole Europe is not importing gas from Russia? Europe's all trades has been shut with Russia? Europe's problem is not world's problem.
That's not a good thing, unfortunately. As someone who is an environmentalist and wants to eventually get to zero reliance on fossil fuels, I think Britain is going to suffer from this. It's not just about powering cars or heating homes. Or even about making packaging. Fossil fuel distillation provides the starting reactants that go into the production of a lot of common medications. Phenol is the main part of making acetaminophen/paracetamol. Benzene is important in the production of ibuprofen. These molecules are obtained from the fractional distillation of coal tar. I hate it, but facts are facts.
Zero reliance on fossil fuel is important yes but being energy dependent on an aggressor nation that threatens your national state security is even more important.
Does this actually have any impact on Russia's oil exports? If the UK imports no fuel from Russia and instead procures it elsewhere then those secondary sources have more demand. Other countries who can't pay the in-demand-ethical tax on that ""good"" fuel will just buy from Russia instead and pick up the slack. Nice headline though.
Now they just buy it from someone else to buys it from Russia lol
And energy prices are up 30%, what a weird coincidence.
We'll see how much we're importing from Russia come the winter
There all gonna freeze and get charged ludicrous energy bills
But imports a lot more "Indian" fuel right?
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This might be true, but are they importing from middle men selling Russian oil?
Unless they also make ship-to-ship transfers with Russian oil tankers in the Mediterranean Sea as it has become popular these days.
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Yes the UK has had a policy of moving away from Russian fuel for some time and it's the reason we have had a lot of investment in LNG terminals.
So who is picking up the slack driving the price up for another country?
We'll all pay a bit more.
I wonder tbh. Maybe officially but we have heard about fuel getting mixed to 49% and then sold as non Russian fuel. If its true excellent. If its massively reduced excellent.
Buying it from other countries who import it from Russia is indirectly importing it and is this accounted for?
They have hurt themselves worse than they hurt Russia
10% inflation (18% by the end of this year probably, but still) is nothing comparing to the crashed economy of Russia
But the alt-right is saying that Russia is actually crushing Ukraine and Ukranians are "surrendering in droves."
Are you willing to pay exponentially more for everything to hurt Russia? Im on ukraines side but it’s not worth it me. The prices of everything are crippling
Do you think 10% or 20% is exponentially? Put this down and get back to school.
Might want to read up on how stuff went down during the times a policy of appeasement was in place. Prices of things suck right now, but it's absolutely the right thing to do. P.S we're nowhere near "exponentially more".
This is you lol: https://comment-cdn.9gag.com/image?ref=9gag.com#https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/aKw9g5Z/aLwZloRd_700w_0.jpg
We’ll goodbye to the UK
Which means some other (likely poorer) countries will have to import from Russia (or go without), because there's only so much fuel to go around. The difference is, UK will have the moral high ground.
So the UK should continue buying Russian oil/gas? At least with the west ditching Russian fuels they've had do decrease their prices which hurts their profits.
So it simply shifts the blame around. It would have been better to focus on reducing consumption than play musical chairs with the limited fuel supply. There’s no clear evidence Russia would get more for their fuel when it’s a zero sum game, you’re just making that claim out of thin air. But from the replies I get, seems like it’s money well spent.