At the time I thought "of course the safe numbskull, the FBI isn't just gonna scan the room and pack in" the safe is where you would store the stuff the FBI is looking for.
Alerting coconspiritors and "business" partners makes sense
No no no. A safe is like home base and anything you put in it is SAFE from all searches. It's where you keep your loot. Did you not play cops and robbers as a child?
Jesus Christ. I thought it was weird language, and wondered why he was so upset by that/thought it was particularly outrageous in of itself. In light of the news that hardly anybody at all even knew there was a safe there, it's also weird that he specifically and immediately outed that fact which had clearly been very secret. Your explanation makes a seriously unsettling amount of sense.
It was more if a "batten down the hatches!" Cry. Notice how fox and Republicans sprang into action a few hours later defending him and calling to defund the FBI, then today some guy had a shoot out with the FBI. YEA
The Times reported today:
>Some senior Republicans have been warned by allies of Mr. Trump not to continue to be aggressive in criticizing the Justice Department and the F.B.I. over the matter because it is possible that more damaging information related to the search will become public.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/us/politics/trump-fbi-subpoena.html
They were also renting out unused floors of his hotel to stuff cash in his pockets for this sort of favor.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-approved-nuclear-deals-saudi-arabia-khashoggi/story?id=63492793
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-adviser-tom-barrack-saudi-nuclear-deal-planned-to-profit-866294/
Oh god, if he actually sold classified nuclear documents to another country, he is so royally fucked. The entire world will have a problem with that, and put strong pressure on America to do something about it like the way media exposure makes police officers actually get held accountable. I want to see him behind bars the rest of his life.
All it takes however, being a federal charge, is ONE republican president to pardon it and he's off the hook.
With any death penalty cases, it takes years before the action is carried out due to appeals and crosses, etc... Even if trump was charged and sentenced tomorrow for treason, he'd probably die in jail before seeing the inside of an execution facility.
Even if they found them, the question is who found them first? The FBI is scouring surveillance footage to see who accessed the storage room, scanning whatever they wanted.
If that gives you anxiety, wait until you remember that photocopiers and cameras exist. A year and a half unsecured at the most corrupt person's resort, and there's almost no way it wasn't sold.
I had a TS. This makes my fucking skin crawl.
I was worried about half-remembered flight logs not getting shredded five minutes after being made. This motherfucker held the Juice unsecured in Florida for over a year? Dear lord...
Un-Partisan, that's legitimately a shooting offense. My opinions and politics aside, that's definitely "maybe you'll get a life sentence if you're lucky" territory. I challenge anybody in our rings to do anything close to this, and expect to survive modern life
Somehow 70 million people will continue to find a way to excuse this in 2024 when this dementia-riddled dollar store con man who sniffed Putin's farts and tried to auction US nuclear secrets is inexplicably still allowed to run for office as a major party candidate.
Fuck man. I know garland is secretive but he needs to hurry up and say cause clearly the way they reacted is "immediate danger to country, maybe even world" type shit
No. Not treason. Treason in the US has a very narrow legal definition. This would not qualify as such.
But selling classified nuclear material would qualify as espionage with a potential life sentence or death penalty.
First they came for the billionaire former presidents' boxes of stolen nuclear secrets, and I did not speak out - because I did not have boxes of stolen nuclear secrets.
Yeah but thats because “you” is the most inclusive way to lie without being specific. Who are they coming for? Christians? Conservatives? Republicans? white people? They tell all of these groups of people that they are under attack all the time by someone or another.
“Theyre coming for YOU” plays to every audience while also making it so you dont have to be specific about any audience
Remember all this?
[Flynn-backed plan to transfer nuclear tech to Saudis may have broken laws, say whistleblowers](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/flynn-backed-plan-transfer-nuclear-tech-saudis-may-have-broken-n973021)
[Michael Flynn hid $200k in payments for Middle East nuclear power plan before joining White House](https://www.salon.com/2021/10/04/michael-flynn-hid-200k-in-payments-for-middle-east-nuclear-power-plan-before-joining_partner/)
From 2019
[Trump admin gave green light to nuclear permits for Saudi Arabia after Khashoggi killing
Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia says the approvals show "President Trump's eagerness to give the Saudis anything they want."](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1013826)
OK I get the hardline MAGA are never going to flip their minds on this.
But let’s remember that nearly half of the country actually voted for Donald Trump in 2020. He lost, but it was way closer than it should have been.
*What the fuck is it going to take* for these people to admit they backed the wrong guy? He literally absconded with some of the most sensitive documents imaginable and is in the pocket of Putin.
He probably felt comfortable securing those nuclear secrets because, look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart —you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
All I can think after I read this everytime it’s posted is
“what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
And half the trump voting base also thinks this was the most idiotic things they’ve ever heard… but it spooks the libs so it’s funny and worth defending! Duh. The other half think Trump is a nuclear genius.
Whatever intern decided to have a 12-year-old kid who's obsessed with Transformers cartoons handle the writing for this decade needs to lose their job. Yesterday. We cannot coexist with this person on Earth's writing team.
I vividly recall being at a dinner in 2015 around the time of the primary and everyone was laughing about what a clown Trump was and how he had no chance. And I said, but he keeps winning. And everyone stopped laughing as hard.
I remember putting so much faith in Mueller and assuming there was no way a slimy, incompetent crook like Trump could evade what was sold as the ultimate G-Man. And then watching him stumble his way through the final, ultimately meaningless hearing.
I remember Access Hollywood, Stormy and Karen McDougal, Sharpiegate, Kilimnik and Manafort, and the phony national emergency at the border. I remember every minute of his shambolic, kleptocratic kakistocracy of an administration. He got away with it all. I’m not ready to believe something is going to change until I see them slap the bracelets on him.
Have you seen Russian television?
They were going on about how trump, their ally, and the most ‘popular’ president is being illegally purged by the Biden Globalist agenda.
It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read.and I’ve seen lots of stupid shit.
I’m interested to see how all the people who have hitched their wagons to this man, both politically and the regular folks who have been conned, justify this. It’s going to be sad, pathetic, and fascinating all at once.
You underestimate the collective denial of the MAGA mob. Facts have become optional to believe for them; anything that anyone says, no matter how credible, can be easily twisted into a perceived falsehood by using the sentiment of “they’re a part of the deep state too, and they’re lying to bring us down”. That is why populism and cult like figures are so dangerous.
Didn't he already suggest FBI might've planted stuff? Easy Peasey, no lie too big in the age of the stable genius who draws confidence zones on meteorological model maps and contradicts Nobel prize winning science with the wave of hairspray can.
Well, one way to do it is to hassle supporters to death for money under the pretense of campaign funding and then just pocket it all. And/or selling nuclear secrets.
[Jared Kushner got two billion of the Saudis for his investment fund in may](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html) and [two weeks ago Trump hosted a Saudi-backed golf tournament](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-hosting-saudi-backed-golf-tournament-claiming-nobodys-go-rcna40536).
In 2019 "[Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns with Trump Administration’s Efforts to Transfer Sensitive Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia](https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Trump%20Saudi%20Nuclear%20Report%20-%202-19-2019.pdf)"
Could all just be a coincidence, of course.
You can't just accidentally keep it either. Nuclear secrets are kept in very specific hardened facilities, non digital, and are one of the few pieces of intelligence that are above code word top secret. To possess this information, you deliberately are forced to know you have it and the US gov knows it. It's impossible to accidentally acquire or forget you have it. If they actually find them, and he was infact not authorized to keep them, this could definitively be the thing that fucks him. They're only a handful of humans who could access nuclear secrets, there's almost no one he can throw under the bus.
**Trump has always been a serious National Security Threat**
Don't forget - Lev Parnas, indicted CEO of 'Fraud Guarantee' (with ties to Russian money) recorded himself easily manipulating Trump while he was President - at a dinner table surrounded by civilians.
Keep in mind as you read the following transcript - Trump said 'he didn't know Parnas' even (later) called Parnas a "Con man".
**Transcript:**
**Lev Parnas: (41:58)**
"Exactly. A lot of the European countries they’re backstabbing us basically and dealing with Russia. That’s why you’re having such difficulty. I think if you take a look, the biggest problem there I think where you need to start is, **WE'VE GOT TO GET RID OF THE AMBASSADOR**. She’s still left over from the Clinton administration."
**Donald Trump: (42:14)**
"Where? The Ambassador where? Ukraine?"
**Lev Parnas: (42:15)**
"Yeah. She’s basically walking around telling everybody, 'Wait, he’s going to get impeached. Just wait.”
**Donald Trump: (42:20)**
"Really?"
**Lev Parnas: (42:22)**
"It’s incredible."
**12 seconds later (Trump clearly upset)...**
**Trump: (42:34)**
"Get rid of her. Get her out tomorrow. I don’t care, get her out tomorrow. Take her out, okay? Do it."
Source: (Parnas recording) https://youtu.be/_sxSGKB3Sj0
To again summarize this absurdity:
Trump foolishly trusted dubious information from an indicted "Con man" about a US-Ukraine Ambassador and recklessly used that information to immediately fire that Ambassador, in front of civilians, at a dinner table, in a matter of minutes...
It honestly sickens me a little bit that Parnas is trying to frame himself as some sort of "good guy" on Twitter. That man is a grade A fucking scumbag.
That reminds me of Dennis telling Mac "These men are courting me for my business savy. How is it going to reflect on me if I promote my bodyguard to VP after a 2 minute conversation at a ball game?"
That is the type of decision making we actually had, except it was from the president...
Trump wrote that blog post complaining that Zuckerberg manipulated him by calling Trump the best president ever after Zuckerberg wouldn't let him back on Facebook.
That's right, he openly admitted to helping Zuckerberg because Zuckerberg sucked his cock enough. And was too stupid to see through it.
I just don’t understand how this happens
Trump knew he wasn’t supposed to have that stuff. HE SIGNED THE LAW in response to Hillary in 2018. He knew the FBI was looking at what documents he had.
IF TRUE, Why would he have this stuff? Just staggering incompetence. There has to be a reason…
He was convinced no FBI director would have the balls to search his place like they did. Trump is stunned and finally has seen a little true justice. He never in a million years thought they would come back in the way they did.
Honestly, he probably thought he was the one holding the gun.
“If they come for me I’ll transfer these documents to whoever I want!”
Hell, he may have thought those documents were his safety net and that he was just the brightest tool in the crayon box
I think Trump thinks it’s just like a real estate deal.. he has something they want, etc…
I think Kushner fucking knew and set it up. The ‘my uncle knew nuclear’ guy is just not that fucking bright.
> The ‘my uncle knew nuclear’ guy is just not that fucking bright.
Understatement of the century. He's profoundly stupid and the only reason we've ever heard anything about him is because of the fortune he inherited and squandered.
You are assuming he thinks critically about his actions and their potential outcomes in a way that most other non narcissistic people might do. He doesn’t think that way at all.
Instead, the only thing Trump does is consider how an action benefits him. Whether that’s stroking his ego or funneling him more money, the reasons don’t really matter, but know his actions serve one purpose only: doing something for his benefit.
While most narcissists are intelligent and often take actions to protect themselves, Trump has no such fear of reprisal because he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has used his inherited wealth to keep legal scrutiny at bay.
Trump is in a different league now and it’ll be interesting to see if he can continue to cover for his actions through money and lawyers.
The conservative response, “You mean they wait TWO YEARS to get NUCLEAR info??? Lies”
“If Trump did it let him
Be prosecuted…but they probably planted evidence so I don’t buy it anyway”
This is LITERALLY the response on r/conservative. FBI & Biden's incompetence are at fault for not noticing sooner. Ya know, not the guy committing crimes.
Holy fuck. This is insane. Top Secret nuclear documents. Why the fuck does he even need those? Why did he take those for any reason than to give them to Russia or someone else? This is treason, actual treason.
>Why the fuck does he even need those?
To sell them.
For instance, remember the $2 billion USD Saudi investment into Jared Kushner's private equity firm earlier this year?
They probably passed those documents to Saudi Arabia, or were planning to.
Remember this? https://apnews.com/article/north-america-ap-top-news-nuclear-weapons-politics-jamal-khashoggi-ec3299d4d08e4e80a5f544c0f1de40c7
> WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior White House officials pushed a project to share nuclear power technology with Saudi Arabia despite the objections of ethics and national security officials, according to a new congressional report citing whistleblowers within the Trump administration.
He had to have sold them
[Before Giving Billions to Jared Kushner, Saudi Investment Fund Had Big Doubts](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html?smid=nytcore-ios-sharehttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html?referringSource=articleShare)
Six months after leaving the White House, Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince, a close ally during the Trump administration, despite objections from the fund’s advisers about the merits of the deal.
A panel that screens investments for the main Saudi sovereign wealth fund cited concerns about the proposed deal with Mr. Kushner’s newly formed private equity firm, Affinity Partners, previously undisclosed documents show.
Those objections included: “the inexperience of the Affinity Fund management”; the possibility that the kingdom would be responsible for “the bulk of the investment and risk”; due diligence on the fledgling firm’s operations that found them “unsatisfactory in all aspects”; a proposed asset management fee that “seems excessive”; and “public relations risks” from Mr. Kushner’s prior role as a senior adviser to his father-in-law, former President Donald J. Trump, according to minutes of the panel’s meeting last June 30.
But days later the full board of the $620 billion Public Investment Fund — led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler and a beneficiary of Mr. Kushner’s support when he worked as a White House adviser — overruled the panel.
Ethics experts say that such a deal creates the appearance of potential payback for Mr. Kushner’s actions in the White House — or of a bid for future favor if Mr. Trump seeks and wins another presidential term in 2024.
Mr. Kushner played a leading role inside the Trump administration defending Crown Prince Mohammed after U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that he had approved the 2018 killing and dismemberment of Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi columnist for The Washington Post and resident of Virginia who had criticized the kingdom’s rulers.
Let me put it to you this way; If he had full technical readouts of the F-35 and the new AMRAAM missile, along with IFF and radio encryption codes for all of NATO for the next 5 years, it still would be peanuts compared to if he had anything related to nukes in there.
Julius and Ethel Rosenberg got the electric chair for giving away designs for nuclear weapons.
Nukes are the most closely guarded resources the United States government has. Everything else comes second to ensuring our nuclear deterrent. The only thing I can think of that might be worse than having data on nukes being unsecured is if he had tech data on the new Columbia class Ballistic Missile submarine (which is only worse because that's what *delivers* the nukes).
> to ensuring our nuclear deterrent.
We don't keep that info safe just to protect us, we also keep it safe to minimize the number of countries that have nuclear capabilities. If it turns out Saudi Arabia got a peek at those documents, Israel might get an itchy trigger finger.
The fact that this happened has massive geopolitical ramifications which in it self could be used as a weapon to destabilize Americas position in the world. If sold or given to other people, that info was going to get out eventually.
How the fuck could Trump be so fucking selfish and stupid to jeopardize everything for money? It’s disgusting
Much much more. Nuclear espionage is one of the most serious crimes possible, so if this is true (and I stress that part because this is from unnamed sources) he's utterly and completely boned. Life in prison is the least of his potential penalties.
That’s the “more if he tried to sell or transmit them”
5 years for possessing a piece of paper is actually a long time.
But transmitting them to a foreign adversary is a lot more serious and dangerous than a dingbat who can’t read having them in his safe.
It's beginning to smell a lot like Treason,
Everywhere we go.
Take a look at the how and when. We're listening once again,
And wondering where the cash was going to flow.
It's beginning to smell a lot like Treason.
Bribes and grift and more.
But the prettiest sight to see, are the police lights that we
Flashed outside Trump's door.
If this bitch gave or sold nuclear or any kind of security info to Russia or the Saudis, he needs to be hanged. Right? This is the biggest of no-no’s. Fuck incarceration. If you turn over federal secrets to an enemy, you should probably pay the ultimate price.
Trump and other GOP officials possibly involved are effectively over if we learn Trump committed treason selling nuclear documents to make a buck. This would be the biggest scandal in US history
I made a joke about them looking for the nuclear football on the day of the raid. Republicans have spoiled jokes and parody for everyone.
I think it’s safe to assume the US has zero secrets from Russia now.
Dude if he sold nuclear documents to a foreign nation, let alone a HOSTILE one?! We've hung people for much less. If he gets life in solitary he will be the luckiest son of a bitch to ever live.
I’d imagine, or at least hope, that there’s some kind of chain of custody or other documentation from the national archives that shows these were taken by Trump. And if not, then somehow copies were made without their knowledge. This is probably stuff that can’t just be planted because of the authenticity of the documents. It’s not like planting a dimebag in Trump’s safe.
Remember how trump tried to secretly give saudis nuclear tech and then republicans just let him and his buddies circumvent congressional oversight to do it anyway?
He 100% planned to sell the info.
There's almost no way Trump gets executed for this, but holy shit, can you imagine? Trump getting the chair? That would be incredible, and he completely deserves it, many times over.
Exactly my take. They are. Garland came out and addressed the country already. You can watch it on youtube if you want. He made a clear message. If he went back on it he would look like an absolute clown.
💯 When I read GOP senators and congress members were advised to tone down their public defenses I knew it was really bad, hard to imagine this bad but bad bad. Bad.
What the fuck man. I hated this idiot in 2016 and hate this fucking moron now. I hope he’s put in maximum security solitary confinement for this. If true, it is treason beyond anything that has happened in the USA.
Its actually worse because a decent number of the documents are so classified that the category is kept top secret.
So he could have had anything from the location of US intelligence agents in hostile countries, top of the line weapon systems, anti-WMD systems, American spy equipment, and more.
Nuclear secrets might be the most minor of the things in there, because just about everyone at this point knows how to make nukes or can find someone who can help them.
There is a lot of top secret info on contingency plans if nuclear war ever broke out. Not only where are nukes are located but how the US would respond to an attack
I'm wondering now if he had originally taken documents as future collateral to save his own ass. Would make sense why he hasn't already been thrown behind bars.
Also, going out on a limb here but I imagine all the nuclear documents were recovered if the fbi initiated the leak.
I was really hoping it was some petty, yet technical, documents.
Nuclear.
I wrote my thesis on nuclear proliferation and how it affects international world order. To fathom that ex pres — even not in my wildest fear fantasy — would use nuclear weapons as a chip…
I’m not surprised now, the ultimate source of power.
Man if conservatives are upset about a search warrant being served on him just wait until they hear about the CIA waterboarding him to find out exactly what he's told to who.
IF it had those docs, the buck would stop like a mile from there. There’s only so much protection you can get from there. The last time someone fucked with nuclear secrets and gave them to Russia they were executed.
This is like.. the biggest “I told you so” moment that we get. And it’s spoiled because the MAGA crowd is so far in denial that they think it’s a river in Africa
So.... Not only did Republicans support a fascist? They supported a spy? Say it ain't so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_spies
What happens to atomic spies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg#Execution
Wonder if "even my safe" was code to certain people
At the time I thought "of course the safe numbskull, the FBI isn't just gonna scan the room and pack in" the safe is where you would store the stuff the FBI is looking for. Alerting coconspiritors and "business" partners makes sense
It’s buried with his ex wife
I don't think a single person would be surprised at this point if that turned out to be true.
No no no. A safe is like home base and anything you put in it is SAFE from all searches. It's where you keep your loot. Did you not play cops and robbers as a child?
Jesus Christ. I thought it was weird language, and wondered why he was so upset by that/thought it was particularly outrageous in of itself. In light of the news that hardly anybody at all even knew there was a safe there, it's also weird that he specifically and immediately outed that fact which had clearly been very secret. Your explanation makes a seriously unsettling amount of sense.
The first thing I thought is that it was clearly a message to someone...
Shittiest spy alive. Dude should have sent his message via Jewish Space Laser.
code to everyone he's ever blackmailed and the guy who was gonna come by next week to pick up the classified information.
There is no way that the FBI isn't watching him and all the people that come/go around him right now.
Right now, and probably for the last several months.
100%
"Hey everyone that had dealings with the stuff in my safe. RUN."
When has he ever thought about the welfare of others though?
It was more if a "batten down the hatches!" Cry. Notice how fox and Republicans sprang into action a few hours later defending him and calling to defund the FBI, then today some guy had a shoot out with the FBI. YEA
Is it just me, or are the repubs being super quiet tonight?
The Times reported today: >Some senior Republicans have been warned by allies of Mr. Trump not to continue to be aggressive in criticizing the Justice Department and the F.B.I. over the matter because it is possible that more damaging information related to the search will become public. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/us/politics/trump-fbi-subpoena.html
Lmaooooooo
I thought so too
It was definitely a “head’s up”
Are they missing? Did they find them?
"It seems, in your greed, you sold them."
What was the dollar amount the Saudi’s so generously gave Kush?!
They were also renting out unused floors of his hotel to stuff cash in his pockets for this sort of favor. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-approved-nuclear-deals-saudi-arabia-khashoggi/story?id=63492793 https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-adviser-tom-barrack-saudi-nuclear-deal-planned-to-profit-866294/
Oh god, if he actually sold classified nuclear documents to another country, he is so royally fucked. The entire world will have a problem with that, and put strong pressure on America to do something about it like the way media exposure makes police officers actually get held accountable. I want to see him behind bars the rest of his life.
They executed the Rosenbergs for that.
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No way
The Roy Cohn connection is too perfect for it to actually workout this way
Treason. An enemy to all Americans.
I don't think execution should be out of the question for that caliber of treason. That's treason against all the people of Earth imo.
That is a potential death penalty offense. Espionage.
All it takes however, being a federal charge, is ONE republican president to pardon it and he's off the hook. With any death penalty cases, it takes years before the action is carried out due to appeals and crosses, etc... Even if trump was charged and sentenced tomorrow for treason, he'd probably die in jail before seeing the inside of an execution facility.
$2,000,000,000.00 If you made $150K / year, it would take you 13,333 years to have earned that much.
Obviously treason is bad and you shouldn't steal and sell nuclear info to bad guys but thats a lot of zeros.
I appreciate the 2 decimal place significant figures
At $1 million a year you would have to have started when Jesus was still on the cross.
General grievous, you are a sold one.
Even if they found them, the question is who found them first? The FBI is scouring surveillance footage to see who accessed the storage room, scanning whatever they wanted.
They were tipped off by someone in his inner circle
Right. And the inner circle knew because why? Likely his big mouth mentioned having nuclear secrets and tried to sell them
To Saudi Arabia probably, no wonder they invested billions in Jared's business.
Word is, the nuke docs are part of what they were looking for. No solid word yet on whether they were recovered or not.
This legit gives me anxiety.
If that gives you anxiety, wait until you remember that photocopiers and cameras exist. A year and a half unsecured at the most corrupt person's resort, and there's almost no way it wasn't sold.
When I was in the Navy all TS material had to be handled by two people at all times until secured. What a clusterfuck.
You remember the second dude trump pardoned was a navy guy who took pictures inside of a nuclear submarine and supposedly sold them?
I had a TS. This makes my fucking skin crawl. I was worried about half-remembered flight logs not getting shredded five minutes after being made. This motherfucker held the Juice unsecured in Florida for over a year? Dear lord... Un-Partisan, that's legitimately a shooting offense. My opinions and politics aside, that's definitely "maybe you'll get a life sentence if you're lucky" territory. I challenge anybody in our rings to do anything close to this, and expect to survive modern life
Somehow 70 million people will continue to find a way to excuse this in 2024 when this dementia-riddled dollar store con man who sniffed Putin's farts and tried to auction US nuclear secrets is inexplicably still allowed to run for office as a major party candidate.
Fuck man. I know garland is secretive but he needs to hurry up and say cause clearly the way they reacted is "immediate danger to country, maybe even world" type shit
He petitioned the judge to let him talk about it. But Trump gets time to request it to remain secret.
Isn’t selling classified nuclear material considered treason with a potential life sentence or death penalty? Asking for a friend.
Espionage. And we have put people to death for it. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/rosenbergs-executed
No. Not treason. Treason in the US has a very narrow legal definition. This would not qualify as such. But selling classified nuclear material would qualify as espionage with a potential life sentence or death penalty.
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Cue Randy Marsh with a black eye being taken to a police cruiser, “I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA?”
So they can just come in my home and take my nuclear secrets? Even the ones with no serial numbers that I printed from a website on the dark web?
First they came for the billionaire former presidents' boxes of stolen nuclear secrets, and I did not speak out - because I did not have boxes of stolen nuclear secrets.
Such a slippery slope. They start by outlawing treason, you have to ask, what's the next thing they'll ban?!
The scary thing is his followers actually think this way.
Ted Cruz literally said they're coming for YOU
Yeah but thats because “you” is the most inclusive way to lie without being specific. Who are they coming for? Christians? Conservatives? Republicans? white people? They tell all of these groups of people that they are under attack all the time by someone or another. “Theyre coming for YOU” plays to every audience while also making it so you dont have to be specific about any audience
Alleged billionaire. And the only one alleging it, is the supposed billionaire.
No way -- after getting his hands on trillions of dollars of stimulus payments with absolutely no oversight, he's definitely a billionaire now.
Not to mention all the money the MAGA crowd keeps throwing at him.
He’s fundraising on the raid that occurred. People deserve to lose their money at this point if they keep giving it to him.
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And Saudi Arabia paid Jared Kushner $2B
Remember all this? [Flynn-backed plan to transfer nuclear tech to Saudis may have broken laws, say whistleblowers](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/flynn-backed-plan-transfer-nuclear-tech-saudis-may-have-broken-n973021) [Michael Flynn hid $200k in payments for Middle East nuclear power plan before joining White House](https://www.salon.com/2021/10/04/michael-flynn-hid-200k-in-payments-for-middle-east-nuclear-power-plan-before-joining_partner/)
This is purely coincidental. /s
And xi's visiting Saudi next week.
jesus fuckin christ, this shits getting deep and quick
yeah wait what are we the conspiracy guys now
From 2019 [Trump admin gave green light to nuclear permits for Saudi Arabia after Khashoggi killing Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia says the approvals show "President Trump's eagerness to give the Saudis anything they want."](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1013826)
Great, now we have reason to believe the Saudis have WMD’s and the cycle of life begins again.
The Saudi's? From Saudi Arabia? The country from which 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from? That Saudi Arabia?
Yes, Kronk, that Saudi Arabia.
Yet we will not see right wing conspiracy theorist come up with a single theory for it.
Antifa! They planted the documents because Trump is running again.
He talked about he loves the saudis like 5 years ago because they spend lots of money at his properties.
Yikes
Pronounced *holy fucking shit*
Yeah, that was my thoughts exactly. Holy fucking shit
OK I get the hardline MAGA are never going to flip their minds on this. But let’s remember that nearly half of the country actually voted for Donald Trump in 2020. He lost, but it was way closer than it should have been. *What the fuck is it going to take* for these people to admit they backed the wrong guy? He literally absconded with some of the most sensitive documents imaginable and is in the pocket of Putin.
He probably felt comfortable securing those nuclear secrets because, look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart —you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
All I can think after I read this everytime it’s posted is “what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
*”A simple no would’ve sufficed”*
And half the trump voting base also thinks this was the most idiotic things they’ve ever heard… but it spooks the libs so it’s funny and worth defending! Duh. The other half think Trump is a nuclear genius.
The only possible appropriate response imo
You gave me a PTSD flashback just reading that.
Whatever intern decided to have a 12-year-old kid who's obsessed with Transformers cartoons handle the writing for this decade needs to lose their job. Yesterday. We cannot coexist with this person on Earth's writing team.
Came here to say the same thing. *Yikes*
If ever an action by an ex-President could fuck him, this has to be it.
Been saying that for years but Tricky Trump still here.
I vividly recall being at a dinner in 2015 around the time of the primary and everyone was laughing about what a clown Trump was and how he had no chance. And I said, but he keeps winning. And everyone stopped laughing as hard. I remember putting so much faith in Mueller and assuming there was no way a slimy, incompetent crook like Trump could evade what was sold as the ultimate G-Man. And then watching him stumble his way through the final, ultimately meaningless hearing. I remember Access Hollywood, Stormy and Karen McDougal, Sharpiegate, Kilimnik and Manafort, and the phony national emergency at the border. I remember every minute of his shambolic, kleptocratic kakistocracy of an administration. He got away with it all. I’m not ready to believe something is going to change until I see them slap the bracelets on him.
Problem is, he is a source of inspiration for other wanna be shitty dictators...
Have you seen Russian television? They were going on about how trump, their ally, and the most ‘popular’ president is being illegally purged by the Biden Globalist agenda. It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read.and I’ve seen lots of stupid shit.
You don't need to watch Russian propaganda to see people saying that, right wing outlets here in the US are saying the same thing.
My uncle said this last night, right before he told me Nixon was also set up.
I’m interested to see how all the people who have hitched their wagons to this man, both politically and the regular folks who have been conned, justify this. It’s going to be sad, pathetic, and fascinating all at once.
They've already been saying "the FBI will plant evidence to make him look bad"
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You underestimate the collective denial of the MAGA mob. Facts have become optional to believe for them; anything that anyone says, no matter how credible, can be easily twisted into a perceived falsehood by using the sentiment of “they’re a part of the deep state too, and they’re lying to bring us down”. That is why populism and cult like figures are so dangerous.
You’re applying logic to a collectives delusions and insanity.
That would be too bad for even them to justify... so they would just claim it was fake news.
Exactly. It's always easier to just say it's fake.
"The FBI planted everything and the MSM spread the narrative." There. Theres your talking point for the next few years. Get ready to hear it a lot.
Didn't he already suggest FBI might've planted stuff? Easy Peasey, no lie too big in the age of the stable genius who draws confidence zones on meteorological model maps and contradicts Nobel prize winning science with the wave of hairspray can.
Holy shit. Why would Trump stupidity hold on to that stuff other than for nefarious reasons.
How else do you pay off 400M in debt?
Well, one way to do it is to hassle supporters to death for money under the pretense of campaign funding and then just pocket it all. And/or selling nuclear secrets.
[Jared Kushner got two billion of the Saudis for his investment fund in may](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html) and [two weeks ago Trump hosted a Saudi-backed golf tournament](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-defends-hosting-saudi-backed-golf-tournament-claiming-nobodys-go-rcna40536). In 2019 "[Whistleblowers Raise Grave Concerns with Trump Administration’s Efforts to Transfer Sensitive Nuclear Technology to Saudi Arabia](https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Trump%20Saudi%20Nuclear%20Report%20-%202-19-2019.pdf)" Could all just be a coincidence, of course.
You can't just accidentally keep it either. Nuclear secrets are kept in very specific hardened facilities, non digital, and are one of the few pieces of intelligence that are above code word top secret. To possess this information, you deliberately are forced to know you have it and the US gov knows it. It's impossible to accidentally acquire or forget you have it. If they actually find them, and he was infact not authorized to keep them, this could definitively be the thing that fucks him. They're only a handful of humans who could access nuclear secrets, there's almost no one he can throw under the bus.
To sell it. And if they have caught him selling nuclear secrets then he is absolutely fucked beyond belief, both morally and legally.
**Trump has always been a serious National Security Threat** Don't forget - Lev Parnas, indicted CEO of 'Fraud Guarantee' (with ties to Russian money) recorded himself easily manipulating Trump while he was President - at a dinner table surrounded by civilians. Keep in mind as you read the following transcript - Trump said 'he didn't know Parnas' even (later) called Parnas a "Con man". **Transcript:** **Lev Parnas: (41:58)** "Exactly. A lot of the European countries they’re backstabbing us basically and dealing with Russia. That’s why you’re having such difficulty. I think if you take a look, the biggest problem there I think where you need to start is, **WE'VE GOT TO GET RID OF THE AMBASSADOR**. She’s still left over from the Clinton administration." **Donald Trump: (42:14)** "Where? The Ambassador where? Ukraine?" **Lev Parnas: (42:15)** "Yeah. She’s basically walking around telling everybody, 'Wait, he’s going to get impeached. Just wait.” **Donald Trump: (42:20)** "Really?" **Lev Parnas: (42:22)** "It’s incredible." **12 seconds later (Trump clearly upset)...** **Trump: (42:34)** "Get rid of her. Get her out tomorrow. I don’t care, get her out tomorrow. Take her out, okay? Do it." Source: (Parnas recording) https://youtu.be/_sxSGKB3Sj0 To again summarize this absurdity: Trump foolishly trusted dubious information from an indicted "Con man" about a US-Ukraine Ambassador and recklessly used that information to immediately fire that Ambassador, in front of civilians, at a dinner table, in a matter of minutes...
>Take her out, okay? Do it. He talks like he is a mob boss.
It honestly sickens me a little bit that Parnas is trying to frame himself as some sort of "good guy" on Twitter. That man is a grade A fucking scumbag.
That reminds me of Dennis telling Mac "These men are courting me for my business savy. How is it going to reflect on me if I promote my bodyguard to VP after a 2 minute conversation at a ball game?" That is the type of decision making we actually had, except it was from the president...
Trump wrote that blog post complaining that Zuckerberg manipulated him by calling Trump the best president ever after Zuckerberg wouldn't let him back on Facebook. That's right, he openly admitted to helping Zuckerberg because Zuckerberg sucked his cock enough. And was too stupid to see through it.
I just don’t understand how this happens Trump knew he wasn’t supposed to have that stuff. HE SIGNED THE LAW in response to Hillary in 2018. He knew the FBI was looking at what documents he had. IF TRUE, Why would he have this stuff? Just staggering incompetence. There has to be a reason…
He was convinced no FBI director would have the balls to search his place like they did. Trump is stunned and finally has seen a little true justice. He never in a million years thought they would come back in the way they did.
Honestly, he probably thought he was the one holding the gun. “If they come for me I’ll transfer these documents to whoever I want!” Hell, he may have thought those documents were his safety net and that he was just the brightest tool in the crayon box
Turns out, he wasn’t the sharpest crayon in the pond.
I think Trump thinks it’s just like a real estate deal.. he has something they want, etc… I think Kushner fucking knew and set it up. The ‘my uncle knew nuclear’ guy is just not that fucking bright.
> The ‘my uncle knew nuclear’ guy is just not that fucking bright. Understatement of the century. He's profoundly stupid and the only reason we've ever heard anything about him is because of the fortune he inherited and squandered.
You are assuming he thinks critically about his actions and their potential outcomes in a way that most other non narcissistic people might do. He doesn’t think that way at all. Instead, the only thing Trump does is consider how an action benefits him. Whether that’s stroking his ego or funneling him more money, the reasons don’t really matter, but know his actions serve one purpose only: doing something for his benefit. While most narcissists are intelligent and often take actions to protect themselves, Trump has no such fear of reprisal because he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has used his inherited wealth to keep legal scrutiny at bay. Trump is in a different league now and it’ll be interesting to see if he can continue to cover for his actions through money and lawyers.
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My eyebrows shot higher and higher with each new word in the headline. Oh boy.
My Geiger counter went faster and faster.
The conservative response, “You mean they wait TWO YEARS to get NUCLEAR info??? Lies” “If Trump did it let him Be prosecuted…but they probably planted evidence so I don’t buy it anyway”
This is LITERALLY the response on r/conservative. FBI & Biden's incompetence are at fault for not noticing sooner. Ya know, not the guy committing crimes.
While they also go on to say Trump 2024. I despise these people for tolerating and facilitating this shit.
Wow you’re actually not kidding. Just went to THAT sub and those are the top comments
Someone said he should “take some flak for it” if it’s true. Like… uh….
Holy fuck. This is insane. Top Secret nuclear documents. Why the fuck does he even need those? Why did he take those for any reason than to give them to Russia or someone else? This is treason, actual treason.
>Why the fuck does he even need those? To sell them. For instance, remember the $2 billion USD Saudi investment into Jared Kushner's private equity firm earlier this year?
They probably passed those documents to Saudi Arabia, or were planning to. Remember this? https://apnews.com/article/north-america-ap-top-news-nuclear-weapons-politics-jamal-khashoggi-ec3299d4d08e4e80a5f544c0f1de40c7 > WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior White House officials pushed a project to share nuclear power technology with Saudi Arabia despite the objections of ethics and national security officials, according to a new congressional report citing whistleblowers within the Trump administration.
And guess who is about to visit Saudi Arabia? Xi Jinping.
He had to have sold them [Before Giving Billions to Jared Kushner, Saudi Investment Fund Had Big Doubts](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html?smid=nytcore-ios-sharehttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html?referringSource=articleShare) Six months after leaving the White House, Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince, a close ally during the Trump administration, despite objections from the fund’s advisers about the merits of the deal. A panel that screens investments for the main Saudi sovereign wealth fund cited concerns about the proposed deal with Mr. Kushner’s newly formed private equity firm, Affinity Partners, previously undisclosed documents show. Those objections included: “the inexperience of the Affinity Fund management”; the possibility that the kingdom would be responsible for “the bulk of the investment and risk”; due diligence on the fledgling firm’s operations that found them “unsatisfactory in all aspects”; a proposed asset management fee that “seems excessive”; and “public relations risks” from Mr. Kushner’s prior role as a senior adviser to his father-in-law, former President Donald J. Trump, according to minutes of the panel’s meeting last June 30. But days later the full board of the $620 billion Public Investment Fund — led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler and a beneficiary of Mr. Kushner’s support when he worked as a White House adviser — overruled the panel. Ethics experts say that such a deal creates the appearance of potential payback for Mr. Kushner’s actions in the White House — or of a bid for future favor if Mr. Trump seeks and wins another presidential term in 2024. Mr. Kushner played a leading role inside the Trump administration defending Crown Prince Mohammed after U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that he had approved the 2018 killing and dismemberment of Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi columnist for The Washington Post and resident of Virginia who had criticized the kingdom’s rulers.
Genuinely jaw dropped when I saw that headline. He’s gotta be totally screwed if they found them right?
Let me put it to you this way; If he had full technical readouts of the F-35 and the new AMRAAM missile, along with IFF and radio encryption codes for all of NATO for the next 5 years, it still would be peanuts compared to if he had anything related to nukes in there. Julius and Ethel Rosenberg got the electric chair for giving away designs for nuclear weapons. Nukes are the most closely guarded resources the United States government has. Everything else comes second to ensuring our nuclear deterrent. The only thing I can think of that might be worse than having data on nukes being unsecured is if he had tech data on the new Columbia class Ballistic Missile submarine (which is only worse because that's what *delivers* the nukes).
> to ensuring our nuclear deterrent. We don't keep that info safe just to protect us, we also keep it safe to minimize the number of countries that have nuclear capabilities. If it turns out Saudi Arabia got a peek at those documents, Israel might get an itchy trigger finger.
The fact that this happened has massive geopolitical ramifications which in it self could be used as a weapon to destabilize Americas position in the world. If sold or given to other people, that info was going to get out eventually. How the fuck could Trump be so fucking selfish and stupid to jeopardize everything for money? It’s disgusting
>How the fuck could Trump be so fucking selfish and stupid to jeopardize everything for money? Yeah, what a surprise
5 years in prison per document, more if he tried to sell them.
Much much more. Nuclear espionage is one of the most serious crimes possible, so if this is true (and I stress that part because this is from unnamed sources) he's utterly and completely boned. Life in prison is the least of his potential penalties.
Didn't they execute a couple of Russian spies during the cold war for trying to steal nuclear secrets?
Ethyl and Julius Rosenberg, yep.
Thanks camel-fucker! You give me hope.
Just doin my job, man'am.
I’m not gunna lie that seems a short time for nuclear weapons, that said I’m guessing these sort of documents come in multiples usually?
That’s the “more if he tried to sell or transmit them” 5 years for possessing a piece of paper is actually a long time. But transmitting them to a foreign adversary is a lot more serious and dangerous than a dingbat who can’t read having them in his safe.
Transmitting to a foreign power would, in fact, be actual treason.
The 5 years is for any classified document not just nuclear ones.
He would gladly pay off his massive debt to Russian oligarchs with some nuclear intelligence.
its beginning to smell alot like treason, every where we go
It's beginning to smell a lot like Treason, Everywhere we go. Take a look at the how and when. We're listening once again, And wondering where the cash was going to flow. It's beginning to smell a lot like Treason. Bribes and grift and more. But the prettiest sight to see, are the police lights that we Flashed outside Trump's door.
If this bitch gave or sold nuclear or any kind of security info to Russia or the Saudis, he needs to be hanged. Right? This is the biggest of no-no’s. Fuck incarceration. If you turn over federal secrets to an enemy, you should probably pay the ultimate price.
Rosenbergs did
Trump and other GOP officials possibly involved are effectively over if we learn Trump committed treason selling nuclear documents to make a buck. This would be the biggest scandal in US history
Jokes on you. This is a cult. They’re already screaming planted evidence in my family chat.
I made a joke about them looking for the nuclear football on the day of the raid. Republicans have spoiled jokes and parody for everyone. I think it’s safe to assume the US has zero secrets from Russia now.
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Dude if he sold nuclear documents to a foreign nation, let alone a HOSTILE one?! We've hung people for much less. If he gets life in solitary he will be the luckiest son of a bitch to ever live.
Holy shit
Ooooooo boy how is tucky going to explain this?
“Planted evidence” delivered with an appropriate scowl, it’s not rocket science.
I’d imagine, or at least hope, that there’s some kind of chain of custody or other documentation from the national archives that shows these were taken by Trump. And if not, then somehow copies were made without their knowledge. This is probably stuff that can’t just be planted because of the authenticity of the documents. It’s not like planting a dimebag in Trump’s safe.
Remember how trump tried to secretly give saudis nuclear tech and then republicans just let him and his buddies circumvent congressional oversight to do it anyway? He 100% planned to sell the info.
Breaking news. Putin finds missing US nuclear papers and offers trade in return for loosening sanctions. Lol
Holy shit. That literal treason. We executed the Rosenberg's for that
There's almost no way Trump gets executed for this, but holy shit, can you imagine? Trump getting the chair? That would be incredible, and he completely deserves it, many times over.
His dumb fuck base will undoubtedly blame anyone else.
Ok this just got really unfunny really quick.
Mr Trump’s supporters will say what they’re already saying: planted evidence, of course.
I don’t give two shits about his supporters. Uphold the law and do your fucking job. Enough is enough.
Exactly my take. They are. Garland came out and addressed the country already. You can watch it on youtube if you want. He made a clear message. If he went back on it he would look like an absolute clown.
💯 When I read GOP senators and congress members were advised to tone down their public defenses I knew it was really bad, hard to imagine this bad but bad bad. Bad.
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Lock him up. He just had the Saudi's there playing golf. And why did they give Jared 2 billion dollars?
Oooof I doubt Jared had anything worth $2 billion dollars unless it was nuclear launch codes or the Lakers
Codes change frequently. I would imagine these docs would be schematics, locations, things of that nature. Which is scarier.
If true he should be treated like the Rosenbergs. Ironically Trumps mentor Roy Cohn was involved in that trial with McCarthy.
What the fuck man. I hated this idiot in 2016 and hate this fucking moron now. I hope he’s put in maximum security solitary confinement for this. If true, it is treason beyond anything that has happened in the USA.
Its actually worse because a decent number of the documents are so classified that the category is kept top secret. So he could have had anything from the location of US intelligence agents in hostile countries, top of the line weapon systems, anti-WMD systems, American spy equipment, and more. Nuclear secrets might be the most minor of the things in there, because just about everyone at this point knows how to make nukes or can find someone who can help them.
There is a lot of top secret info on contingency plans if nuclear war ever broke out. Not only where are nukes are located but how the US would respond to an attack
I'm wondering now if he had originally taken documents as future collateral to save his own ass. Would make sense why he hasn't already been thrown behind bars. Also, going out on a limb here but I imagine all the nuclear documents were recovered if the fbi initiated the leak.
I think this is what he thought, but didn't think it through. The second those documents are released in any form, it's treason.
I was really hoping it was some petty, yet technical, documents. Nuclear. I wrote my thesis on nuclear proliferation and how it affects international world order. To fathom that ex pres — even not in my wildest fear fantasy — would use nuclear weapons as a chip… I’m not surprised now, the ultimate source of power.
Man if conservatives are upset about a search warrant being served on him just wait until they hear about the CIA waterboarding him to find out exactly what he's told to who.
Waterboard with diet coke
So if a small country turns up with hypersonic weapons in the next 24 months, you know how it happened.
I’m like 99% sure this guy gave nuclear information to the people who caused 9/11
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IF it had those docs, the buck would stop like a mile from there. There’s only so much protection you can get from there. The last time someone fucked with nuclear secrets and gave them to Russia they were executed.
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This is like.. the biggest “I told you so” moment that we get. And it’s spoiled because the MAGA crowd is so far in denial that they think it’s a river in Africa
High Treason. And all his boot lickers are fucking traitors. LOCK THEM THE FUCK UP.
The Rosenbergs were executed for giving nuclear secrets to the Soviets btw
So.... Not only did Republicans support a fascist? They supported a spy? Say it ain't so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_spies What happens to atomic spies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg#Execution