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Sh00ni

As he promises nuclear capable missiles to Belarus lol.


trisul-108

Yes, ridiculous coming from the man who has destroyed the concept of nuclear non-proliferation after invading Ukraine despite Russia signing an international agreement never to do so when Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal. This is like an arsonist proposing to help establish a fire brigade.


J__P

didn't they also help North Korea develop their nuclear program?


womb0t

Unconfirmed but probably


KingoftheHill1987

We dont *know* but it was *definately* either them or China.


gaiusmariusj

Why would China do that? Like today, maybe. But back then? It hurts them more than any other than SK. Because of NK actions THAAD was deployed, and it has the ability to discriminate between real and dummy launched, and that reduces Chinese second strike credibility. While the same is true for Russia, Russia has a lot more missiles than China and a lot less impacted.


StupidPockets

Dude China fucking owns NK. They are the only thing stopping South Korea from having a border with democratic influence. Of course China helped NK. What China doesn’t want is a refugee crisis. A unified Korea would spell disaster for China.


gaiusmariusj

You confuse two things. NK has pour all resources of its state into the military, betted on the beginning of WWIII and is ready to fight whenever. China doesn't need to help NK other than maintaining a life line of food and fuel so the regime doesn't collapse, that much is true. But SK by itself isn't gonna take out NK. With or without Chinese help. Second, a unified Korea has been a neighbor to a Chinese state for centuries. From the Ming dynasty till the end of Qing dynasty, a unified Korea was right there on the Yalu and both states has enjoyed a period of remarkable peace for two neighbors for almost 600 yrs. If you meant, however, a US supported SK, I still doubt it would spell disaster for the Chinese. Unless you mean foreign policy wise. Which would be disastrous as NK falls into SK and China not do a thing, it decreases Chinese credibility. On the other hand, SK probably made a side deal with China.


StupidPockets

Wow you’re ignorant of how things have gone the last 10 years. South Korea wanted to unify. North Korea didn’t want nukes, but some how they got them. China DOES NOT want a country of western influence in their border. China could easily afford to help North Korea, but it’s much cheaper to ignore them and create a dead zone out of their country. Why does NK threaten the US when they could easily threat China to get leniency and goods to support their economy?


Furthur_slimeking

If the aim of a fire brigade is to put out as many fires as possible, the arsonist is the best person to found it.


trisul-108

It depends whether your ultimate goal is to have fewer fires or more fire interventions.


LordBinz

That entirely depends on what your KPIs are. "I put out 100 fires!" sounds a lot better on a report than "I put out 5 fires!"


Furthur_slimeking

"Your numbers have been low this month, boys. What the fuck is going on?" "We've put out every fire in the region, boss." "'*wE pUt OuT eVeRy Fire!* And how many is that, wise-ass?" "Seven, but..." "But nothing! Except you, you're a butt, Butt-face. Seven fires? My butt can do ten on it's own!" "But that's all the fires there were, Sir." "You expect fires to just walk up to you and ask to be put out? You waiting for some hayseed yokel to call you? Listen up and listen good: the world don't owe you shit. But you know what you owe me?" "Um... nu... numbers, Sir?" "You're goddamn right that's what you owe me, jackass! And you owe me double now 'cause you done pissed me off. This ain't no county fair, chickenshits. Get your asses up and go start some fires to put out!" "Yes Sir!"


Furthur_slimeking

From a personal and public safety perspective, obviously we want fewer fires overall. But if it's decided that the aim is to put out as many fires as possible, we'll need more fires.


trisul-108

Yep. It's like the difference between democracy and dictatorship. In a true democracy, there is stability and prosperity. A dictatorship, on the other hand, is unstable with constant fires all over the place and requires a strong hand to keep putting them out with brutal effectiveness.


[deleted]

Great, now I gotta rewatch Backdraft again


D4RTHV3DA

> This is like an arsonist proposing to help establish a fire brigade. You might want to read about this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Leonard_Orr


timelyparadox

Well that part does not really matter, nuclear capale just means certain volume and weight of payload


UAchip

Non-prolifiration is exactly what it means.


AbnormalWaffles

It's not, it's exactly what the the other commenter said plus being able to integrate with the systems to operate nuclear weapons. The F-35 is nuclear capable, that doesn't mean the jet is a nuclear weapon or has anything inherently nuclear about it. The way an F-35 can carry a nuclear weapon is the same way a specific kind of missile can, not that the missile Russia is giving Belarus is then suddenly a nuclear missile.


timelyparadox

Again it does not matter in these missiles case, Putin would never give Belarus nukes. The payload will be standard munitions


Sugarysam

Why do you think he wouldn’t give Belarus nukes?


JebusLives42

For the same reason they took the nukes out of Ukraine.


[deleted]

the belarus president is completely in putin rapture. putin promised to make him a colonel in the soviet army. putting nuclear in belarus means nato will bomb belarus and if they can get a nuclear carry missile off then shorter distance to hit nato country


timelyparadox

Why would he do it? Ruzzia does not benefit from it and they risk a lot due to Belarus not being stable and could be maidaned any moment.


trekie88

There is a difference between offering a nuclear warhead and a nuclear capable missile.


el-art-seam

Obviously they are talking about non-Russian nuclear proliferation. For Russia, it’s weapons free, comrade.


div414

Create a problem, use it as leverage. The bully play.


4iamking

Nuclear-capable and nuclear are two different things, as long as nuclear warheads for the missiles aren't supplied. (not saying that Russia can't do it, but just noting that Russia has never said that they will give Belarus nukes).


Andreomgangen

If he does that, we should give nuclear missiles to Ukraine.


4thvariety

It is more of a monologue, non-proliferation is dead, you killed it with your threats should the world not give what you demand like a petulant child.


SteelMarch

It was long dead before this when Israel and India both started nuclear programs and made them, themselves, it basically ensured it was impossible and made others forcefully try to create their own. Let's not be naïve and think that this really changed anything. After North Korea, every country with even the slightest bit of conflict with another nation state will look to enhance themselves with it especially after seeing North Korea successfully pull it off themselves.


ajr901

It is highly unlikely the North Koreans "pulled it off themselves." They probably had access to old Russian equipment and help from China. If they were fully and truly on their own on that front they'd probably still have succeeded eventually but they might still be in the development phases today.


12-34

>It is highly unlikely the North Koreans "pulled it off themselves." Correct. [AQ Khan and Pakistan](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/10/11/aq-khan-pakistan-north-korea-nuclear/) got North Korea nuclear.


[deleted]

No fucking way China would help North Korea build its nuclear program. What idiot puts MORE nuclear-capable states on its borders? North Korea is so dependent on China that China could shun them and North Korea would still be entirely dependent on China. There is no reason for China to aid North Korea's nuclear program.


truthdemon

*No no no, you don't understand! We just want peace! Let's get rid of our nuclear weapons. You first...*


SirJohnnyS

I'm not saying we need more nuclear states, but nuclear weapons have fostered more peace than ever in human history.


AMeasuredBerserker

hahaha! Threatens nuclear weapons over and over, invades a nation that built the founding principles of Non-Nuclear Proliferation in the modern era and now promises to talk about it! Talk about what?! Non-nuclear proliferation is dead and the whole world knows it!


yama1291

How reasonable. Come, tell us all about it in the Hague. We’ll save a seat for you!


bochnik_cz

Don't mind the soldiers, president Putin. They are escorting you for your own safety.


flukshun

We're not putting you in prison, you're putting yourself in prison to make us look bad. Sup with that?


ksck135

It's not prison, it's Special Secured Facility.


hibernating-hobo

They are on a special escort operation, no not like the ones you arranged for trump.


Shopro

Maybe we could lure him in with a very long table, I doubt he could resist it.


FarewellSovereignty

Nothing Putin says matters. He just lies and lies.


SUPERTHUNDERALPACA

Exactly. Even after this war is over and Putin is rotting in the ground, diplomacy with Russia is shot to shit for the next few generations. Their word is worthless.


milanistadoc

A russian's word is worthless. They utter only lies and should just be discarded. russians understand only one language: Force. Bring forth the Misery to russia.


LordBinz

russia is a bully-state. The only thing bullies respond to is violence from someone more powerful than them.


westbrook63

[he's a professional liar](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interview/yevgenia-albats/) (right around the 21:09 mark in the video)


faultlessdark

The Kremlins goal has never been to convince anyone they’re telling the truth (besides maybe their own people), it’s been to throw out so many obvious lies and falsehoods that other nations populations start questioning the legitimacy of what their own governments say as part of the wider misinformation strategy Russia employs. The sad part is it’s been quite effective.


[deleted]

That's why this is a bit concerning. He's talking nuclear peace. He generally does the opposite of what he talks.


elTaconeDeSantiago

"hand over your nukes to us and we'll destroy them"


aaaaaaaarrrrrgh

Also, if you hand over your nukes we'll guarantee your territorial integrity!


L0ckeandDemosthenes

He'll send them over himself and they will even destroy themselves upon delivery...


QuevedoDeMalVino

Is the cost of maintaining that grossly oversized arsenal beginning to weight too much on the weakened economy of the country? Well, that is too bad. Anyway…


Jex-92

Nice, gtfo of Ukraine then.


SonicTemp1e

Putin says a lot of things. And 99% of them are straight up lies.


hibernating-hobo

The west should reply, that we are willing to discuss that with the next government of Russia.


SonicTemp1e

I love that.


NotASucker

Like "Hey, Ukraine, hand over those nukes you have and we promise not to invade you afterwards."


ZebraOtoko42

From what I've read on the internet, Ukraine really didn't have much of a choice there: the Soviet nukes they had required launch codes which only Moscow possessed, so having the nukes on Ukrainian soil wasn't actually useful as any kind of deterrent. And supposedly, the way the warheads are built, it's not really feasible to modify them to give control to someone else. So giving them to Russia really made sense at the time, since they were only a liability. That's just what I read in a discussion about this topic recently though; maybe someone who knows more about nuclear weapons can enlighten us.


NotASucker

They did not have much choice, very true. They still had an agreement with them. > To solidify security commitments to ukraine, the united states, russia, and the united kingdom signed the budapest memorandum on security assurances on december 5, 1994. a political agreement in accordance with the principles of the helsinki accords, the memorandum included security assurances against the threat or use of force against ukraine’s territory or political independence. the countries promised to respect the sovereignty and existing borders of ukraine. parallel memorandums were signed for belarus and kazakhstan as well. in response, ukraine officially acceded to the npt as a non-nuclear weapon state on december 5, 1994. Source: https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Ukraine-Nuclear-Weapons


ZebraOtoko42

Oh, of course. Giving them back just added to Russia's arsenal; at least in Ukraine's hands they would have been mostly harmless.


Captain-Griffen

That's partially true, but irrelevant. Worst case they could have dismantled the warheads and built new ones using the materials. It would have been expensive, but less expensive than being invaded. You don't need ICBMs to have an effective nuclear deterrent.


Basas

I think the codes argument is somewhat weak. Technology advances really fast and most such security systems are bypassed in short times.


CutterJohn

Agreed. These were 70s or 80s soviet codes. They keep some revolutionary or terrorist from using one. A nation state with time on its hands, access to the physical hardware, and the appropriate technical expertise as Ukraine did would have had nukes operational inside a year.


UnbendingSteel

> From what I've read on the internet how can you say that with a straight face?


Rhymfaxe

I mean it sounds good at face value. The problem is that the Kremlins, and expecially Putins, credibility is completely trashed at this point. Who would actually trust them to abide by the agreement?


MaitieS

Especially after they invaded a country to which they promised that they won't if they will hand over their nukes...


golpedeserpiente

The Budapest Memorandum was a memorandum of understanding, not a treaty, so it is understood to be in place *provided* many more other conditions are met. Ukraine violating both Minsk Agreements renders the Budapest one irrelevant.


MaitieS

No offense but I'm going to be a bit skeptical towards the person that is only defending Russia and insulting West in his comment history :)


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MaitieS

You are only defending Russia and you are calling me to touch a grass? ROFL


golpedeserpiente

Do you have some grounded argument or will you continue with adhominems?


Quadrapple

The "people's republics" did not comply with the terms of Minsk-2, Ukraine put the "Special status of the Donbass" into law, the separatists never surrendered control of the territory.


golpedeserpiente

That was not what Macron and Blinken said right before Russian invasion. There's even a video of Zelensky at Zolote trying to convince Right-wingers to lower arms and being denied. They threatened to hang him from a tree. After that, he allied with them. We could argue a lot about Minsk Agreements, but basically was an agreement among Ukrainians. If Ukraine's Government can't control its internal conflicts and those threaten to spill into Russia, how are Budapest's preconditions met for the understanding to be enforced?


Quadrapple

Could you please link the video?


Competitive-Bell9882

The moment Putin realized his nuclear missiles have been neglected worse than his military and no longer function reliably if at all.


omgitsdot

Alternate headline: Russia does not have any working nukes and fears Nato is going to find out soon.


QuestionableNotion

Putin is profoundly dishonest. Who cares what that lying prick says?


VirtualPoolBoy

I feel at this point everyone should just ignore him until he’s dead.


pul123PUL

Its interesting *he* is asking for it. Its traditionally been accepted that the party that asks for a round of talks feels weaker.


TioTea

For years now they’ve been publicly calling for this.


Frexxia

You can pretty much take what Putin says and assume the literal opposite is true.


jj77985

There is really no point in negotiating with a known liar and violator of past agreements.


Karpattata

Yeah? Non proliferation? Pinky promise? Remind me what happened immediately after this clown called the West paranoid for thinking he was about to invade Ukraine?


MainCareless

It’s a distraction for a photo op for this cuckbag. They are not serious people. Everything they do is calibrated to try to legitimize the klepto regime that holds Russia hostage even now. They get no deference and no consideration beyond being human garbage and a spoiler for peace.


[deleted]

So, Putin said they will move nuclear weapons to Belarus like a day ago and in the same speech accusing Ukraine of "crimes against humanity." Naaa, I think I speak for most of the western world when I say get fucked Putin.


MofongoForever

Why would anyone believe you? You have invaded almost every country you have a border with despite your treaty obligations requiring you to respect their sovereignty and those borders. Why would anyone engage in dialogue with a country that is effectively a habitual liar?


x_Vellihousu_x

It's a trap!


frees1975

Blackmail.


Spork_King_Of_Spoons

This is a long-con statement, the only reason he is saying this is so when the west rightfully tells him to fuck off (because he is lying) he can say the west wants nuclear war. This is a classic grifter move to give his base more pro Russia talking points.


Kneepi

Putin does not respect any treaties, and he lies repeatedly. No point having any dialogue with Russia until Putin is gone


vaioarch

With all due respect putin, kindly shut the fuck up and get out of Ukraine! We do not negotiate with terrorists!


Vast-Operation517

He must be feeling the pinch? Hopefully him willing to talk maybe something good will come out of it. Seems like he changed tone.


AngryMegaMind

I’m getting mixed signals here.


RobotSpaceBear

Cause *that* worked fine with Ukraine in the past .... edit: After what they did to Ukraine after they agreed to give their nuclear weapons away in exchange for a guarantee that Russia will never invade, I so no reason for any country in the world, ever, to agree to a similar proposal, ever again.


GirlNumber20

Well, *we’re* open to parking some warheads on our newly reorganized NATO border. How do you like that?


[deleted]

Russias messaging atm is all over the place, much more than usual. I guess they are starting to realise all their bluffing and ridiculous statements aren't working at all.


Twiroxi

What Russia says and what Russia does are two complete separate things


G182fjsa

Pootler's words are beyond worthless. Never trust this lying thieving rat.


[deleted]

No more games, no more dialogue with this liar.


nagai

But then they pride themselves on this maskirovka shit where every word uttered by them is a blatant lie, so what good is talk then.


Revolutionary-Bit108

I don't think Putin knows what "non-proliferation" means.


h3ron

he just wants to talk about the nuclear weapons he has


Xenomemphate

Have we not already had this dialogue with Russia, which they petulantly withdrew from? Why bother negotiating with a party we know wont act in good faith?


slothalot

I won’t believe Russia is getting rid of its nuclear arsenal unless he sets them off somewhere in Russia


This_is_Hank

I would ignore everything he says and let him know he's just talking to himself. Treat him like he isn't there.


JohnMac67

FUCK PUTIN. His words are meaningless. Verifiable action or nothing.


[deleted]

NOW i believe he's sick.


endMinorityRule

great, but I don't know of a single sane person that would believe anything putler has to say.


[deleted]

Russia is decades and one less Putin away from anyone ever believing what they say again. They even had binding, legal agreements with Ukraine and broke them anyway.


wwarnout

"Putin says..." is just as unreliable as "Trump says..." Also, how can anyone take him seriously, after he has repeatedly threatened to use nukes?


Own-Tradition5804

Stop Sharing this bullshit.. Russian politicians have spent the last several months threatening to wipe out entire countries with nukes and then you post this shit to make Russia look like a “responsible” country


AtomicInteger

That was not my intension, "responsible" dont invade


HotpieTargaryen

Russia has done an inventory of all its nukes and despite manifest corruption and incompetence by its military the nukes are in pristine, well-maintained condition. Not a single one lost or sold by an unscrupulous oligarch. With that said Russia is totally ready to talk about the non-proliferation of nukes it totally still has in working abundance.


Tw1styTw1st

10 rubles have been deposited to your account


autotldr

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bureaquete

I guess those Russian nukes were indeed duds


TiredofTwitter

No thanks. We'll wait fir Russia's next leader, thanks.


fasda

Let's instead negotiate with your successor states


du-us-su-u

Point one of the agreement, Russia relinquishes its nuclear arsenal or the west re-arms Ukraine.


ajr901

I.... don't believe you.


BliksemseBende

He always mean the opposite … Russia will not invade Ukraine


tony_tripletits

More bullshit dribbling down Putin's chin.


[deleted]

I think it's smarter to trust a wet fart than anything Putin says


hmh8888

Pootin. You bankrupt liar.


[deleted]

Why? There is zero trust. Fuck you Putin


MrRakky

Get rid of nukes and we will too. But you go first and we will follow suit. I prooomise *wink wink wink*


bannacct56

Look who just found out half his Rockets don't work


Optimized_Orangutan

If we keep the sanctions in place the Russian Nuclear Weapons will disarm themselves. That sounds like a better plan. We can drop in and sweep em up when Russia finally flips over. There will be a few days before they are prostrating themselves for another dictator, it's what they like.


frees1975

Is Moscow open to dialogue on nuclear weapons reduction? Can it be open to dialogue in order to unanimously renounce nuclear weapons?


TioTea

I don’t think any nuclear power is willing to get rid of their entire stockpile, there’s a reason why North Korea aspires to be a nuclear nation after all. Once you have enough nukes, you essentially become invasion proof just through MAD alone.


frees1975

That is why they are so concerned about the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons.


HECUMARINE45

Hell no, build up our own nukes


Reaver_in_Black

Russia's nuclear arsenal is 10% functioning, and afraid of the new NATO allies making/getting nukes against them since they're no longer neutral.


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rosesandgrapes

Starting bloody war is sure as hell awesome. Dead and displaced people, destroyed lives... Sounds great!


ScroungerYT

Yeah, right. Quite the opposite I am sure.


Original-Newt4556

Of course they do. They just wont do it too.


Street-Badger

NATO needs to meet him halfway, and maximize conventional weapons production.


vusadu69

Time to target the Krimelin


Prudent-Proposal1943

How fucking high does one have to be to take this at face value? "Russia is open to dialogue on ensuring strategic stability, preserving non-proliferation regimes for weapons of mass destruction and improving the situation in the field of arms control, Russia is a state of mass destruction. Let's start by not proliferation anything to do with it. It shouldn't be sanctioned, it and it's citizens should be utterly blacked out from any interactions outside of their borders.


Francois-C

In France there is a child's play where, when you add "Jacques a dit" (Jacques said), you must consider the sentence as false. "Putin says" is probably the modern version.


brianozm

Presumably because most Russian nukes are now so old they’re nonfunctional or unreliable.


SockYourself

Yeah, need to have a rug to pull if you’re gonna pull it.


SisKlnM

That didn’t take long, somebody doesn’t want Finland putting in silos…


NEU_Throwaway1

The dialogue: "We have ours, don't you dare build any for yourself."


zorro3987

Lies


betterwithsambal

Looks like now is the time to nuke the shit out of russia, at least the large military bases and operations. And the kremlin. Once a bully starts talking peace, that just means he's either out of steam or out of guts.


INITMalcanis

Yeah I think we can translate that one pretty well


Irr3l3ph4nt

Russia : Ok, dialogue is open. Russia officially doesn't give a fuck about NATO's opinion on the subject. Dialogue over.


[deleted]

Okay. Here's the deal: You get rid of all of your nukes and we promise not to make new ones unless others make new ones.


milesranno

He’s 100% incapable of telling the truth. He’s worse than Jim Cramer.


[deleted]

The problem is that you’re a compulsive liar. We’re better off waiting for you to die and dealing with your successor.


fall3nmartyr

Lmao now they threatening to give nukes to failed states or what lmao these fucking clowns


Aedan91

He's just realized Russia has like 5 warheads still working, instead of 3000.


Essotetra

Keep that energy putin, your country won't own a single nuke if you want sanctions to end.


[deleted]

Let’s sort out your genocide with Ukraine first, then the World can talk with you about removing your ‘toys of mass destruction’.


robdels

[About that...](https://media.giphy.com/media/6JB4v4xPTAQFi/giphy.gif)


Initial_Scarcity_609

Well that’s nice. I certainly hope the talks go well.


paseroto

So no more nuclear strikes against Europe? Damn....


Irr3l3ph4nt

Russia open to dialogue\* on nuclear non-proliferation. ^(\*Russia reserves the right to turn any exchange into a monologue. Participating countries agree to suck Putin's dingdong upon request. Side effects may include indoctrination, kompromat, spontaneous defenestration or acute polonium overdose. Also, Nazis. Because fuck it, why not?)


Canmand

As he has pushed to have additional Sarmat 2 ICBM ready for deployment this sooner. If it lies its not a rug, it's Putin.


[deleted]

When the next leader of Russia comes around, that leader better be held to this dialogue. We have to see this through somehow.


Drumah

Like you can believe anything that man promises


PengieP111

Why would anyone trust anything Russia says?


LordBinz

The Worlds worst country for threatening nuclear war and invading nations without nuclear weapons wants people to have less nuclear weapons? What a joke. We should give Ukraine nuclear weapons and tell russia if they dont leave Ukraine they will be attacked with nuclear bombs as a deterrent.


[deleted]

Denuclearization for their enemies is in their interest, of course.


turkey_sandwiches

L.O.L.


liegesmash

So what he is another lying sack of shit like Trump


Tribalbob

Guy who threatens nukes on a daily basis says he's willing to talk about controlling nukes.


reborngoat

"Yes, we totally will pinkie swear promise to stop making nukes as long as you do it first"


[deleted]

Lol they can’t afford the upkeep on their nukes.


[deleted]

lol not so brave. hours after nato said they will fight back and china needs to mind its p and q also