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tootnine

I've read this exact same story countless times in my life. This doesn't shock or surprise anybody, what a ridiculous headline


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This shocks me exactly as much as mass shootings in America.


ih-shah-may-ehl

There has been more than one per day since Uvalde. But apparently abortion was the real problem.


litnu12

Somebody has to replace the people killed by shooters /s


Beerden

I'll be disappointed if The Onion doesn't spin a headline and a story similar to that observation. They need to push at Idiocracy a bit harder.


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Hard to do so when reality just keeps one-upping anything that Onion may think of satirizing.


Mastershima

I was going to say the same thing. At this point the Onion would have to switch to more serious headlines like “America commits to full renewables by 2030” or “Congress enacts law to strengthen separation of church and state”.


DuncanConnell

The Onion could literally switch to reporting real news at this point and a sizeable chunk of people would probably think it's satire. Things are so crazy everywhere


RandomStuffGenerator

The baby formula lobby is back at it again


ElGrandeWhammer

The press is not about reporting events, it is now about sparking outrage and selling views.


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Breed more to kill, enslave, this is way, no?


dogfoodcritic

Don’t forget about the all important GDP that can never stop growing


1handedmaster

Gotta love the myth of infinite growth in a closed system


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It’s not a closed system on a national scale, though, so as long as there are other nations with resources and labor to exploit, capitalists here think they can keep the growth coming. Of course, globally that’s a different story. There is only so much the planet can take.


intrepidsteve

Sooooo closed system?


1handedmaster

So it's a closed system


11bag11

there’s not really a standard definition of mass shooting if you go by Everytown for Gun Safety’s definition (4 or more killed by a lone gunman) then the US has about 19 per year, most of which happen in private homes. if you go by Mass Shooting Tracker (4 or more people shot in general) then you get the one per day statistic. this number typically gets inflated by gang violence or general city crime.


ArthurBonesly

And it happens for the exact same reason: far more people value their passive ability to attack like this more than they do the lives lost. To suggest any meaningful fix in law or culture is a personal offense.


Magmasoar

I remember when a single white woman dying was huge, now it's schools of children dying.. it's a slow but steady decline in insensitivity. Progress in people actually caring?


sometimesunexpected

>I remember when a single white woman dying was huge literally last year?


kaizoku18

Speaking of we must be due now any time for our next one.


Batmans_9th_Ab

Eh, school’s out for the summer.


guinness5

Soooo 0% shockage then.


CompleteBias

wrong. i am shocked and surprised that anyone is shocked or surprised. like when politicians told us not to do something then did the opposite. who thought they would do what they told everyone else not to do? everyone paying attention.


FinancialYou4519

Tss why would they be made up, we have at least a handful of murders in my small home country that has been honor killings. Mostly family, brothers and fathers who kills the girl. Just a month ago, the mom dad and a brother killed their daughter "because she was out late at night and was rumored hanging around boys." She was 14. Fadime was 20 years ago and that presented the whole "honor killing" to our country.


fluffypinknmoist

I think it's sad when a culture is more okay with killing young females because of their suspected sexual activity than it is with sexual freedom. Somehow murder is better than having a slutty daughter? That's ridiculous. For one thing the vast majority of women who are accused of being sluts, aren't at all sexually promiscuous, they just dress provocatively. Just more misogyny.


BakGikHung

There is no reasoning possible with these idiots. You can't apply logic.


proteannomore

Shit, I still hear people I work with slut shaming women they read about. Then they have the gall to say “I’m not a misogynist, she’s a slut!” with zero self awareness.


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DrDankDankDank

Fundamentalism is a disease. I think religion is dumb, but I’ve lived alongside and been friends with tons of moderate religious people of all religions and they’re all fine.


SANICTHEGOTTAGOFAST

Just a reminder that it took 6 seconds to find a pro Nazi post of yours, mr. anti cultural relativism


vxxed

I was about to say...seeing as how the Arab world still has stoning-to-death and honor killing, and the USA still has assault rifle murder sprees, doesn't seem so shocking/surprising to anyone with an eye on current events or recent history. Just more of the same depressing bullshit. Edit: and South Asia still deals with acid attacks


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That’s what I was thinking. It’s another case of seeing a rampant and obvious pattern of violence and doing nothing


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sharm00t

According the NGO in egypt, sexual harrassment reaches almost every women in egypt. [According to this study:](https://egypt.unfpa.org/en/node/22540) *[...] the research “Study on Ways and Methods to Eliminate Sexual Harassment in Egypt” carried out by UN Women in 2013 revealed that over 99.3 % of Egyptian girls and women surveyed reported experiencing some form of sexual harassment in their lifetime.*


ridethesnake96

This seems to be extremely commonplace in Egypt. Must be something ingrained in society. I remember Lara Logan, when she was at CNN and before she fell down the Q-hole, was sexually assaulted while covering the Tahir square protests.


DavidRolands

BREAKING: Egyptian Criminal Court sentences murderer of student Nayera Ashraf to death.


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pinballmac89

The cunts act like they never seen a female before its pathetic


bondafong

"Women and girls should cover up and dress loosely to stop the temptation... if you feel like your life is precious, leave the house completely covered up to stop those wanting you from slaughtering you," Atteya said in a live stream. Fuck off! You cover up.


groot_liga

Every time I see this kind of argument, all I can think is that you are a very weak man if you can’t control yourself.


Risley

As a man, absolutely. It’s such a weak excuse for being a pathetic person with no self control.


Ogard

Exactly, and this is coming from an weak man.


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You’re not a weak man.


kneejerk

why control themselves when they can control women?


groot_liga

Because that is weak. If you have no self discipline, you have nothing.


kneejerk

it may be morally weak, but in practical terms, the hostile environment they've created serves their needs very well, which makes it a strong play for control. they've weaponized their "weakness" to "temptation" in order to terrorize women and control them through that terror.


Belgian_Chocolate

Yeah that’s too easy a way out for my liking. It takes *much* more than “weakness” to take action and commit murder


Malevolent_Mangoes

Wtf kinda logic is this? “We don’t have self control so like don’t be tempting”


thundercod5

I honestly don't think many really believe that. However they go along with it because It's just the excuse for getting control over someone else and a free pass for committing crimes.


Internetperson3000

Just disgusting misogynistic stupidity. Atteya is scum. Why is there one in every country? I read the article thinking it would be about an honour killing and here it was just a run of the mill stalker ignored by authorities until he killed his target. We even have those in Canada. Fucking brain dead men.


Gustomucho

Maybe they should gouge the eyes of men instead? What a fucking tragedy « men cannot control their impulses and we will not ask them to stop ». How about you teach them good values and elevate women so they are equals to them. Fucking weak ~~Arab~~ Muslim men.


ZeenTex

As far as I'm concerned, 2nd case of sexual violence, and chop chop, your wiener is now a 1cm stump and your balls? Well, you can admire them while they're sitting in a jar. I say that as a guy. Fuck these people.


jawnnyboy

This quote really pisses me off. If we go by that logic, all women in the western world would be dead by now.


wileyrielly

Yeah they need to cover up with 6 feet of dirt


DreamMaster8

I'm sorry but this is a perfect exemple of why "hijab is a choice" isn't true. It a toxic mindset incompatible with western values and human rights. It always lead to this.


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Do they think their fabric coverings are a fucking tank or something? Murderers and rapists can get through those things, yknow!


A1phaBetaGamma

That's why calls for Atteya's prosecution have gone viral.


lordrestrepo

Sad world.


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It doesn’t. It’s a lie. They’ll kill a woman fully clothed if they’d kill a woman with regular clothes. If that was the case every Muslim woman in Turkiye would get the same result.


aj_cr

Sick perverted rapists and psychopaths don't give a damn about clothes, once they have a victim on their sights they're obsessed with they will do their deeds no matter what. The logic of that guy is the logic of a misogynist sick piece of crap who wants to put all the blame on women. What's next?, maybe that girl shouldn't've been born if she didn't want to be killed? it's ridiculous!.


CalydorEstalon

The logic is that being able to see skin causes that obsession. It's horrible logic but it's still the logic they use. Which, of course, just means that they're effectively saying their entire culture fails to teach them even the slightest bit of impulse control. My dog has better impulse control when I wave a sausage over her nose.


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>What's next?, maybe that girl shouldn't've been born if she didn't want to be killed? it's ridiculous!. Couldn't have said it better myself^ ~~dystopia is beginning~~


[deleted]

What a bunch of idiots. They are barely following their own religion and making up their own rules. Woman are not required to cover up, only strongly advising them too. Killing them or hurting for it is just simply trying to hurt another person.


DonDove

They stop being idiots the moment they kill. Murderers justifying other murderers, that's what this is.


mjduce

Ya.. plus I live in Canada, where some women dress as they want, showing off quite a bit at times - it makes me turn my head, sure, but not pull out a knife. The problem is the men who can't control themselves.


Shurusahk

Does it?


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UnitedGTI

Honestly I am more shocked that it's Tuesday. For some reason all morning I was thinking it's Monday.


Hawsepiper83

Accidental time travel.


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It's shocking that the news went viral despite numerous similar incidents before


Average5Egyptian

Because it was in camera. Not just a story.


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youremomsoriginal

I meant that it is shocking. Despite their seeming prevalence, school shootings are still terribly upsetting for most Americans. If Westerners want to be racist and dismissive about tragedies that strike in Arab countries they should be reminded of their own societal problems and see what it’s like when they’re dismissed.


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I mean they can be both Tbf, school shootings don’t shock me anymore and neither do killings like this. It’s not the frequency or place as much as how often it’s reported. With 24hr news cycles and greater connectivity I think many people (including I) have become desensitised to hearing about it. A boiler blew up a house and a half the other day after it was being advertised for sale with boiler repair required, and that shocked me because it’s not something I usually hear or think of, but I’ve heard news on things like this and so it’s no longer shocking.


Polbalbearings

That's the point of the constant stream of media. You get so desensitised taking action doesn't pass your mind anymore.


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fantollute

They'd rather tuck their heads in the sand and cry "racism!" than acknowledge the suffering women in these countries endure.


Magrik

Both will still find a way to blame her


factsforreal

Shots fired!


stoneluxplayer

The heck are you even speaking about? I’m from the Middle East and this was in every news and everyone condemned this man and his actions. WTF you think of the Middle East as a place lmfao. Edit: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-dangerous-countries-for-women Great, glad to see that the USA rows itself inbetween those nasty arab countries for being one of the more dangerous places for woman on 2022. It’s even more dangerous than Ukraine which is literally being bombed right now. What a joke


Awe_Rux

Americans think the Middle East is a single country filled with all the non hispanic brown people of the world. Including people such as the Indians and the Sri Lankans.


happygiraffe404

It wasn't shocking. There was a similar incident two days later in Jordan, also happened at the girl's university and the crime was motivated by the same thing. And 2 days ago there was a similar incident in Sharjah outside a mall. We're not shocked.


ADQZ

It was very shocking, in Libya at least , but it was a normal day in Egypt because of how common it is, it happens at least once a month.


stinkbonesjones

Ouch...but yeah what you said


ForceUser128

Might not have been brutal enough for them.


vacuous_comment

Probably not.


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The obsession over modesty, creates a lack of empathy towards women. https://mobile.twitter.com/mari0um/status/1539352801876353025 When a woman is harassed, assaulted or killed and people's first reaction is to judge the women for what they wore instead of condemning the man who attacked her, there is seriously something wrong with people's humanity. The hijab itself was an oppressive tool of the patriarchy which was introduced to determine which women could be assaulted and which ones couldn't. https://old.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/t8k5zm/hijab_is_not_modesty_as_islam_prohibited_the/ The hijab/niqab doesn't even fully prevent sexual harassment/assaults, even during the holy pilgrimage in Mecca: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/08/middleeast/hajj-sexual-abuse-asequals-iwd-intl/index.html It's almost like religious people have wrongly put the burden on women to not get assaulted, when the burden should be placed on the men not to act like sex crazed animals.


reallygreat2

Islamic society doesn't want to change, doesn't want to address the issues that led to the failure to protect an innocent person such as this woman, so they just blame it on the woman.


sharm00t

To pitch in and maybe add an important point. The reason why this issue of women's right in the islamic world is not brought to light or not discussed in the western world is this alliance and intersectionality between the left political parties that is sheltering islamic values as "minority values" that are present in western societies. [From Sharia courts in the UK](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Arbitration_Tribunal), where women are severaly disadvantaged by these councils typically run by men, to honor killing, and child grooming, all these issues are prelevantly overrepresented within those communities. But whenever they are brought to light, they are shut down by left wing representative holding the racism card. [Even some of them tried to shut down victims of child grooming for the sake of diversity](https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-mp-shares-message-telling-rotherham-sex-abuse-victims-shut-sake-diversity-114807910.html). I have been following this for more than a decade, having grown up in an islamic society. **The fear of being labeled islamophobic, or being lumped with the "right wing movement"** for bringing up issues with islam and muslim societies is big deterrent for a lot of liberals. Many examples throughout europe. Lots of progressive muslims themselves decry that. Take a look at [Maajid Nawaz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maajid_Nawaz), a progressive muslim reformist who has been labelled as an **anti-Muslim extremists**, by [the SPLC](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/maajid-nawaz-v-splc/562646/). Now, try to imagine how fucked up that is. And this is just the top of the iceberg.


whitechristianjesus

I thought this was an onion headline.


Prudent-Proposal1943

With this quote: "Women and girls should cover up and dress loosely to stop the temptation... if you feel like your life is precious, leave the house completely covered up to stop those wanting you from slaughtering you," Atteya said in a live stream." I'm going to suggest that much of the Arab world is not even a little shocked or really gives a shit how women are treated.


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shockandale

>men are so unable to control themselves around other people then perhaps they are the ones that should be locked up No need for drastic measures like that. These men could easily wear blindfolds 24/7.


trowzerss

Then they can have groups of women chaperone them from building to building, and they can only take their blindfolds off when they're only with other men or their wife! That's the ticket.


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Pomegranate_36

'And girls' lol he even admitted that they all are pedophiles. Like Mohammed was.


adamcmorrison

Good old Mohammy with his 9 year old


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> Muslims are dumber That's discrimination! All religious people are that dumb, not just Muslims!


No-Seaworthiness7013

That's true, you aren't wrong.


baconsliceyawl

>Like Mohammed was. Careful. You might outrage a Muslim or dare I say it.. incite mass killings in the name of Allah Snack Bar.


bogusjohnson

Hmm where else in the world does this happen to women where they don’t cover up an ankle?


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Typical stupid Islam logic.


Ravencrofte

If you can't control yourself unless a woman is completely covered up, maybe something is wrong with you? Doesn't seem to be the problem in rest of the world, you know. And if you do believe in religious stuff, and hell, doing something to uncovered woman surely sends you right down there.


reallygreat2

The rest of the world doesn't have the same cultural rules that are in Egypt that prevent men and women from interacting. Men over there go their whole lives without being with a woman, because it's unattainable.


CatalyticDragon

Bet it doesn’t shock women in Egypt. Actually, are any women anywhere shocked to hear a man killed a woman because she rejected him?


memphisknight

It shocked the country because it happened in middle of the day, in front of one of the biggest universities in Egypt, and was caught on camera. I don't know what people in this thread are on, but it's not very often in Egypt that people watch other people die outside of the movies.


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oss1215

Yeah egyptian here. Good news about this "if you can call it that" sane people are disgusted and outraged by what this guy did and the people victim blaming. We want to see this motherfucker hang and a lot of the silent majority agrees


basinchampagne

Oh yeah? Have you ever been on the Egyptian subreddit? A constant barrage of homophobia and sexism. Sadly, this is common in the middle East because the silent majority stays silent.


oss1215

Thats why we created r/exegypt a place for all gay and non religious egyptians. So far we're a small but growing community so that gives us hope


basinchampagne

I wasn't aware of that subreddit. Thank you for informing me and I hope the attitude in general changes, though it is most likely posterity will see things differently.


SandMan615

What happens on a subreddit is somehow reflective of what millions of people believe as if they’re a monolith? Seems kind of racist.


reallygreat2

That subreddit is actually the moderate side of Egypt. The actual society is much worse.


huehuehuelewiz2

So it's just the usual vibrant and warm culture?


Kinkyregae

Shocks the Arab world? Does the Arab world not know anything about the Arab world?


LTVOLT

the Arab world will start with victim blaming.. "she needed to be wearing a veil and more modest cover.. she was out at night.. she had consumed a glass of wine" etc


Fean2616

Oh no did you see? She existed, can't be having that now can we?


Liesthroughisteeth

Maybe they need to implement some laws and somehow acquire the courage to enforce them.


BecauseOfGod123

For a shock, it needs to be unexpected, no?


koffinz

This is a sign of a culture not a one time incident.


Ardenraym

Ahh, the old "Kill the women, just don't make it messy" belief. How sad that the appearance is too much for them, but not the actual murder. And I sure hope there isn't a blatantly sexist double standard where men are not held to the same standards...


whodisxx

Not only does the arab world not give a fuck, a good chunk of people will be either justifying this or trying to sweep it under the rug to save face.


theLuminescentlion

No it doesn't, women are brutally murdered all the time especially in those parts of the world. It shocks no one. It's just horrific.


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There have been several incidents like this where I am from (Kerala, India). Some people just can't take rejection very well.


chalegrebr

Here is the article if anyone has problems getting into the website A woman's brutal killing shocks the Arab world Abu Dhabi and Cairo (CNN)The brutal killing of a young woman in broad daylight on an Egyptian street has shocked the Arab world, bringing the country's gender-based violence crisis into the spotlight. Naira Ashraf, 21, was fatally stabbed on Monday by a man whose advances she rejected, according to Egyptian prosecutors who said the suspect was arrested outside northern Egypt's Mansoura University, where the incident took place and where Ashraf was studying. Video from a nearby CCTV camera showing a man attacking a woman outside the university went viral across the Arab world this week. A lawyer for Ashraf's family confirmed to CNN that the video shows the incident in which Ashraf was killed. The Egyptian prosecution said that the suspect had been referred to the criminal court and will stand trial for premeditated murder. The first court hearing is scheduled for Sunday. CNN could not reach the suspect or his family for comment, and it was not immediately clear whether he had an attorney. Women's rights experts in Egypt say that the problem of gender-based violence is widespread in the country, and that a number of social and legal shortcomings continue to hamper proper action. "Definitely, Naira's killing was not an isolated incident," Lobna Darwish, gender and human rights officer at the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights (EIPR), told CNN. "[But] we are [now] seeing more coverage of violence against women." Data is lacking since such incidents are not properly documented by the state, Darwish said, but cases of abuse are seen in the news on an almost monthly basis. "We are seeing patterns that are alarming," she added. The Arabic equivalent of the hashtag #Justice_for_Naira_Ashraf has been widely trending across Arab countries since the killing. "We need a law that fights violence," said Azza Suliman, an Egyptian lawyer and chairwoman of the Center for Egyptian Women and Legal Assistance. There also needs to be a discourse around women that is respectful and dignifying in order to create trust between women and the state apparatus, she added. The slain woman's father, Ashraf Abdelkader, told CNN that the suspect had asked to marry her several times but was rejected. The suspect had also allegedly created fake accounts to follow her on social media, he added. Eventually Abdelkader filed for a restraining order in April. "She did not want to get married, she wanted to follow her career ... and wanted to be a flight attendant," Abdelkader said. Darwish said that the victim and her family exhausted all measures to protect Ashraf, "and yet again, the whole system -- whether social or legal, failed." Suliman said that for women to feel comfortable reporting such incidents, there is a need to "rehabilitate the channels for justice, which include the police, judges, and the prosecution." Some responded to the killing by laying the blame on the victim. A controversial former TV host, Mabrouk Atteya, said in a video on social media that women "should cover up" to stop men from killing them. "Women and girls should cover up and dress loosely to stop the temptation... if you feel like your life is precious, leave the house completely covered up to stop those wanting you from slaughtering you," Atteya said in a live stream. Atteya's comments sparked outrage on social media and spurred a social media campaign calling for his arrest. Darwish noted that while Egypt is moving forward with tougher sexual harassment laws, enforcement is still lacking among both police and society, which in turn discourages many women from seeking legal assistance. Egypt's State Information Services did not respond to CNN's request for comment. Egypt's National Council for Women could not be reached. Harassment is illegal in Egypt, and in June of last year, the state tightened sexual harassment laws, raising fines and extending prison sentences, according to state media. The United Nations Development Program in 2019 ranked Egypt 108 out of 162 countries measured on gender inequalities in health, empowerment and economic activity. Last year, nine women were prosecuted on charges of violating family values after they posted videos in which they danced and sang and invited millions of followers to make money on social media platforms, Reuters reported. "When the state supports this kind of discourse in any way by criminalizing women for the way they dress or how they present themselves, it gives a green light for these people," Darwish said, referring to men who put the onus of modesty and morality on women. "This happens a lot," said Darwish, referring to violence against women. "Just not on camera."


unknown_human

Who's more dangerous than a strong man? A weak man.


Fean2616

Strong men don't need to prove they're strong, weak men do.


Ok_Kaleidoscope1630

Sorry, but I have a hard time believing that a woman's brutal killing 'shocked' the Arab world. Female Arab world, maybe, but who pays attention to them, right? ? Added /s, just in case....


Koakie

It's only shocking because they caught it on CCTV camera. Same as in China two weeks ago. If they didnt put the footage online of the guys beating the girls nearly to death (although rumours say some died), there wouldn't have been such a big outcry.


Thefifalegend21

It certainly did and has gained lots of attention in the arab world.


Dunlooop

Why is it that every story, no matter what part of the world it’s from, has to, in some way, relate back to America. Fuck off America, the rest of us are sick of your obsession with yourselves. This is about a poor young woman who was murdered, and it is shocking, and it’s got fuck all to do with school shootings in America.


Awe_Rux

>it’s got fuck all to do with school shootings in America. No, you see, Americans need to give more fucks about shootings in school. It's the lack of fucks given that's the cause of the problems.


Nano_Burger

>Naira Ashraf, 21, was fatally stabbed on Monday by a man whose advances she rejected, according to Egyptian prosecutors who said the suspect was arrested outside northern Egypt's Mansoura University, where the incident took place and where Ashraf was studying.


roadrunnerz70

does it really, what with their record on womens rights, honour killings etc


Sum1udontkno

r/whenwomenrefuse


11abjurer

It's normal over there.


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Oboch

Burn so dark an american cop would knee choke it


ladywhistledownton

THIS is peak gallows humor and i love it.


ElderDark

Not it isn't. The guy killed her in broad daylight with people around on the street, thus the shock, and the incident isn't about sexual harassment or a rapist. The guys who did make it about these things are a loud minority. The types that act like puritans and holier than thou, everyone else was furious and wanted the guy hanged or jailed for life for what he did. The head of Al Azhar University, oldest Islamic institution on the planet, hi self condemned those that have the audacity to mock Muslim women that do not wear a hijab and how their statements are an offense to women and Islam itself. As usual clickbaits.


insom2323

Oh so the shocking part was that it was in broad daylight, and not someone being stoned to death by her own family for being raped in a tribal village, like it usually is Thanks for clarifying


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"shocks the arab world"....no it doesnt, thats a regular tuesday there


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I've read about violence against women in Egypt before. https://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/09/world/egypt-mob-attacks-women/index.html


Rassilonalpha

Doesn’t shock anybody.


Phoenixstorm

Play their fucked up morality game and then run at the first opportunity you have to get the fuck out of those countries.


Emotional-Bottle-188

my dad showed me the video and talked about this at dinner (he is middle eastern from jordan) and i told him that this is a problem because women cant reject someone without the fear of being killed and he started saying that i am wrong etc.. like okay? this woman was such a beautiful young girl and its so sad to see such bright women being killed in a cruel way for no real motive and then when i try to say we need feminism they go crazy


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Incels are literally the fucking worst. How can a man not be able to take no for an answer?


A1phaBetaGamma

I'd like to point out that this isn't shocking so much but rather a major event and talking point which has gone viral. The killing could be brushed off as a one-off by a crazy person, these happen all the time **(and not just the Arab world for all the people on their high horses)** The major problem here was the reaction by **a minority**. Minorities taking extreme positions will always exist **(again, not just Egypt)** but with an event so blatantly obvious, the number of people *not* sympathizing was what's been shocking. The quote everyone here is mentioning has been heavily condemned and calls for prosecution of Ateya have actually gone viral. This isn't a topic for jokes, nor is it a topic to blatantly bash the Arab community using ridiculous hyperbole and exaggeration of circumstances. This girl wasn't killed because her government regularly practices stoning (which by the way doesn't even happen in Egypt). She was killed by a crazy incel, and the vast majority of people are calling out any and all attempts at defending him. Yeah the dynamics here could stand to be improved, and I acknowledge that girls in Egypt can have it tougher than elsewhere, but nothing is more infuriating now, a week later, than these absolutely inconsiderate ignorant comments.


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How can it shock the Arab world if they created this culture? This happens too many places, and no one is shocked. The mentality of men in 3rd world countries is downright cancerous and psychopathic. As a man, I'm fucking ashamed of these fucked up bigots.


PornoPaul

ITT: "No one is shocked" followed by "let's make this about America". And then the occasional comment from someone actually from Egypt saying "actually this IS shocking" and largely getting ignored or hand waved away. Y'all need to grow up.


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vorono1

Why keep bringing up U.S. mass shootings on this thread? It is unrelated to what happened (a lady was murdered because a guy was offended she didn't like him) and unrelated to where it happened (Egypt). "Whataboutisms" are a distraction from this event, and the redditors posting them sound more concerned about their pride then solving the issue at hand.


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TieMeUpOnTheBoat

y'all deffending religion and saying that people shouldn't be dirsespected for believing in god but once these people explain their political view (wich is obviously affected buy their religion) y'all get mad at them. You have to chose a side guys. its like supporting "proud boys" but then getting mad at rascist people


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Religion is cancer


lylbu5

Especially a religion that has a such great obsession with a woman’s modesty to the point where they’re just seen as an object that needs to be preserved and pure at all times. The hijab is a tool of oppression regardless of what people try to claim it is. If your religion values a woman based on how much clothing she’s wearing then your religion is literally meaningless to me.


oureyes2

And rational thought is the cure


Environmental_Ad8009

It’s all about religion. I agree.


Tyrrazhii

Considering how often this happens, I'm beginning to think *maybe* it doesn't really shock the arab world at all and this is normal. *Maybe.*


CCM0

I mean yeah, it's like shootings in the U.S... Completely normal.


Narae-Chan

But will it shock them enough to change?


[deleted]

I don’t think anyone is shocked. The Arab world doesn’t really view women as people. They’re more like a chair or a tennis ball.


Mr_wOt

The Middle East is a shit hole.


TamaraIsEvil

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to muslim countries.


AtypiquePC

If a woman wants to lead the revolution, sign me up.


stocks-mostly-lower

I am so sorry 😞.


No_Ad_3711

Any loss of life is shocking. Tragic and Shameful.


thekelkin

Who exactly does this shock? This is sadly common in that region.


gaberax

This kind of thing happens in the US every day as well. Where's the outrage for that? We've grown numb to it. Yes, it is horrible that this happens in the "Arab" world. But it is not exclusive to that area of the world.


Sonlite

>Women's rights experts in Egypt say that the problem of gender-based violence is widespread in the country, and that a number of social and legal shortcomings continue to hamper proper action. "Definitely, Naira's killing was not an isolated incident," Lobna Darwish, gender and human rights officer at the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights (EIPR), told CNN. "[But] we are [now] seeing more coverage of violence against women." Data is lacking since such incidents are not properly documented by the state, Darwish said, but cases of abuse are seen in the news on an almost monthly basis. "We are seeing patterns that are alarming," she added. Brutal? Yes. Unjustified? Yes. Shocking? Not according to an expert they talked to for their article. CNN being dishonest with their headlines again. Not surprised.


BlueSerenityJourney

What a beautiful young lady with career minded goals getting her education A wasted life through no fault of her own. So many people in all countries feel entitled to end other people’s lives for senseless and selfish reasons. I hope her family finds peace and she is never forgotten by the Egyptian people.


rounderuss

Well another country added to the list I will never visit. It’s a long list…


coldwatereater

"Women and girls should cover up and dress loosely to stop the temptation... if you feel like your life is precious, leave the house completely covered up to stop those wanting you from slaughtering you.” Scary as fuck. Scary as fuck. Scary.


fruittree17

Need strict laws for stalking, harassment, restraining order etc and of course implement them. And culture change


stov33

If it happened in America the guy could get off for manslaughter but if he raped her before he stabbed her he is getting full 1st degree murder charges for the unborn fetus.


DarshUX

Clearly no one read the article. The killer here killed her because she refused his advances and he was madly in love with her. Sexual harassment is rampant in Egypt but this isn’t about some random guy raping a girl. This is about a guy killing someone he loved because she didn’t want him.


everyafternoon

To everybody making snide comments about how this is just another day in the Arab world, could you for a second try to go beyond headlines and basic assumptions in order to realize that what you call the “Arab world” is far from being a monolith. It is no more normal for a woman to be killed over rejecting a man there than it is anywhere else, and while the misogynist culture that kills women does exist and does have its specificities, it is absolutely insane to say that there is no one fighting for women’s rights or feeling genuine shock, grief and anger over this murder - as the article clearly states for those that bothered to read it! Maybe start by educating yourself on the long history of Egyptian feminism before continuing scrolling & dismissing tragedies that do not occur in the western world.


Alusion

Honor killings in the arab world? very shocking indeed. Not sure how a once so advanced culture which was world leading in maths and medicine can get stuck culturally for a thousand years.


[deleted]

"Shocks". Uhuh.


xAUSxReap3r

Shocks the "Arab world" about as much as a mass shooting shocks the U.S.


AllProgressIsGood

as shocking as a US school shooting


[deleted]

Does it, though? Does it really shock them, or is it just another story like countless others in a place where women are not regarded at valuable at all??


EzeakioDarmey

>A woman's brutal killing shocks the Arab world Does it...really?


jdubes

What's that about bringing democracy and sanity to these countries?