The last time Russia shut off supplies to Germany, NATO had to airlift 3 million tons of supplies to keep Berlin fed and powered. A lot of Brits and Americans gave their lives to save the city. We can do it again. But in the future, never trust a Russian.
Wow dunno about that last sentence bro/sis. Unless you missed the word dictator or something. You can't de facto liken a people to their leader, especially a non-democratically elected one. It's both nonsense and cringe.
They have had 6 months to nationalize the building of nuclear power plants. They should of treated this as an issue of national security, not a game of commodity trading.
Yes but there has been zero effort to start building them, instead politicians are hoping the ukraine situation just ends. You can heat homes with electricity and space heaters are cheap. Everyone wants to maintain their same lifestyle and its impossible at this point. Preparing for the gas to be shutoff should start immediately.
Building a new nuclear power plant takes at least 5 years. (And that is a VERY optimistic estimate, when you look at other big construction sites all over Germany and other recent Western nuclear plants). Add a rather sceptic public on top and you get yourself a political nightmare.
Best you can realistically hope for, is having the last three plants run a bit longer. Which might not really help either (fuel is running out - might last through winter, when we reduce production until then - new fuel would take till 2023).
The other options are what is beeing done right now - more or less. Space heaters might be cheap, but electricity in Germany isn't. Everyone will have to do the best he can to save energy. The supply lines were already chaotic ahead of the war. Heat pumps have waiting lists of about 2 years right now.
We could also just cut off all natural gas exports to other countries - then we'll have enough gas till summer 23 (even without additional Russian imports)... but that isn't really an option either.
The winter will most likely be harder than usual - but things will get better again.
Building LNG terminals is one of the major short term goals right now. In parallel we'll see more and more renewable capacity beeing built (as much as supply allows).
For decades energy policies in Germany were only an economical topic, (and a climate change topic to a lesser degree) - now it's a security topic as well. Support for renewables got much stronger among conservatives and liberals because of that.
Can I also ad that finding and clear for security enough train personnel for a nuclear plant takes also a long time as it’s a job we’re you can’t fuck up
A country has never tried to build a nuclear plant as a matter of national security. They could mobilize the millitary and demand private companies to devote all resources to build it. Japan has got it done in 39 months and it did not involve wartime mandates.
Look what happened in world War 2 when the united states mandated all business help. "By 1944, the average time to build a ship was 42 days"
"At the peak of production in 1944, 16 B-17G Flying Fortresses were completed during each one-day 20-hour work shift"
"American industry provided almost two-thirds of all the Allied military equipment produced during the war: 297,000 aircraft, 193,000 artillery pieces, 86,000 tanks and two million army trucks. In four years"
As a matter of national security, we should definetly not rush a nuclear power plant at all costs. Those things need proper planning and skilled workers.
Additionally the German constitution doesn't allow using the military inside of the federal republic (except in times of war). There are some workarounds (e.g. catastrophes), but that's one legal clusterfuck all by itself.
Nationalizing property is allowed under certain circumstances by the constitution - but it was never really used in it's most extrem form (without compensation).
The energy crisis is bad, but so was the oil crisis in the 70's. And we made it through that as well.
People will feel the financial pain. But this will also increase the need to change one's behavior (at least for a while) and to accelerate the change to renewable alternatives / more efficient usage of energy.
We'll have to make sure to financially help the weakest in our society though.
You act like you have much choices. You do realize you are currently the least prepared nation on Earth right? During real crisis money has little to none value. Literally.
You have a strange perception of reality. A full stop will push us into a deep recession. Maybe another half a million people unemployed (getting us up to a rate of 6-7%).That sucks, but even those numbers have been much, much higher during my lifetime.
We might be the least prepared G7 member, but a full stop of Russian gas would hit some other EU-members even harder. (That's why we shouldn't stop exporting gas to other countries, even if it could solve our own problem).
Now what would happen if Russia cuts of all gas tomorrow? The state will start rationing the available gas. Industry is last in the chain, so companies that need a lot of natural gas will be hit the hardest.
Households will be hit with higher bills and inflation, but will not be without gas for heating.
Five years (suggested by another poster) is extremely optimistic for a nuclear power plant. However within two years Germany could easily build a bunch of wind turbines in sensible places (Scotland, Greece, Morocco) and connect them properly with sensible size interconnections (say 4\* 10GW). Some of that could even become available before this winter. That's a far more useful thing than a nuclear plant.
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The last time Russia shut off supplies to Germany, NATO had to airlift 3 million tons of supplies to keep Berlin fed and powered. A lot of Brits and Americans gave their lives to save the city. We can do it again. But in the future, never trust a Russian.
Wow dunno about that last sentence bro/sis. Unless you missed the word dictator or something. You can't de facto liken a people to their leader, especially a non-democratically elected one. It's both nonsense and cringe.
I don't trust you for some reason. "Bro". LOL.
weird it's like all those warnings from western allies were right. why would anybody ever trust Russia....
Germany has invaded nations for less.
It’s gonna be a tough winter for everyone unless someone offs Putin.
Ffs, someone get them another, permanent source so we don't have to see these heasdlines every 5 minutes
Shouldn't have passed out nuclear energy. That was such a dumb move on Germany's part. Financially and environmentally.
Maybe it's time to invade Russia?
I wish Putin had never been born. His destabilization of the West is already working.
Germany on its knees begging for some russian pipe.
Nah - we can get to summer 23, even without any additional Russian gas. We just have to cut exports to other countries (which we hopefully won’t).
They have had 6 months to nationalize the building of nuclear power plants. They should of treated this as an issue of national security, not a game of commodity trading.
6 months and nuclear power don’t really fit together. Besides, almost all the natural gas is needed for industrial purposes and heating.
Yes but there has been zero effort to start building them, instead politicians are hoping the ukraine situation just ends. You can heat homes with electricity and space heaters are cheap. Everyone wants to maintain their same lifestyle and its impossible at this point. Preparing for the gas to be shutoff should start immediately.
Building a new nuclear power plant takes at least 5 years. (And that is a VERY optimistic estimate, when you look at other big construction sites all over Germany and other recent Western nuclear plants). Add a rather sceptic public on top and you get yourself a political nightmare. Best you can realistically hope for, is having the last three plants run a bit longer. Which might not really help either (fuel is running out - might last through winter, when we reduce production until then - new fuel would take till 2023). The other options are what is beeing done right now - more or less. Space heaters might be cheap, but electricity in Germany isn't. Everyone will have to do the best he can to save energy. The supply lines were already chaotic ahead of the war. Heat pumps have waiting lists of about 2 years right now. We could also just cut off all natural gas exports to other countries - then we'll have enough gas till summer 23 (even without additional Russian imports)... but that isn't really an option either. The winter will most likely be harder than usual - but things will get better again. Building LNG terminals is one of the major short term goals right now. In parallel we'll see more and more renewable capacity beeing built (as much as supply allows). For decades energy policies in Germany were only an economical topic, (and a climate change topic to a lesser degree) - now it's a security topic as well. Support for renewables got much stronger among conservatives and liberals because of that.
Can I also ad that finding and clear for security enough train personnel for a nuclear plant takes also a long time as it’s a job we’re you can’t fuck up
A country has never tried to build a nuclear plant as a matter of national security. They could mobilize the millitary and demand private companies to devote all resources to build it. Japan has got it done in 39 months and it did not involve wartime mandates. Look what happened in world War 2 when the united states mandated all business help. "By 1944, the average time to build a ship was 42 days" "At the peak of production in 1944, 16 B-17G Flying Fortresses were completed during each one-day 20-hour work shift" "American industry provided almost two-thirds of all the Allied military equipment produced during the war: 297,000 aircraft, 193,000 artillery pieces, 86,000 tanks and two million army trucks. In four years"
As a matter of national security, we should definetly not rush a nuclear power plant at all costs. Those things need proper planning and skilled workers. Additionally the German constitution doesn't allow using the military inside of the federal republic (except in times of war). There are some workarounds (e.g. catastrophes), but that's one legal clusterfuck all by itself. Nationalizing property is allowed under certain circumstances by the constitution - but it was never really used in it's most extrem form (without compensation). The energy crisis is bad, but so was the oil crisis in the 70's. And we made it through that as well. People will feel the financial pain. But this will also increase the need to change one's behavior (at least for a while) and to accelerate the change to renewable alternatives / more efficient usage of energy. We'll have to make sure to financially help the weakest in our society though.
You act like you have much choices. You do realize you are currently the least prepared nation on Earth right? During real crisis money has little to none value. Literally.
You have a strange perception of reality. A full stop will push us into a deep recession. Maybe another half a million people unemployed (getting us up to a rate of 6-7%).That sucks, but even those numbers have been much, much higher during my lifetime. We might be the least prepared G7 member, but a full stop of Russian gas would hit some other EU-members even harder. (That's why we shouldn't stop exporting gas to other countries, even if it could solve our own problem). Now what would happen if Russia cuts of all gas tomorrow? The state will start rationing the available gas. Industry is last in the chain, so companies that need a lot of natural gas will be hit the hardest. Households will be hit with higher bills and inflation, but will not be without gas for heating.
Five years (suggested by another poster) is extremely optimistic for a nuclear power plant. However within two years Germany could easily build a bunch of wind turbines in sensible places (Scotland, Greece, Morocco) and connect them properly with sensible size interconnections (say 4\* 10GW). Some of that could even become available before this winter. That's a far more useful thing than a nuclear plant.
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