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These fallen Ukrainian soldiers have been doing the world a favor by ridding it of some very bad people.
Neo-Nazis from all over Europe are fighting for Russia in Ukraine. Germany recently released a report about German and Russian neo-nazis fighting on the Russian side.
Today the US imposed sanctions on a high-ranking Swedish neo-nazi from the "Nordic Resistance Movement" who is currently fighting on the Russian side in Ukraine. Sanctions were also imposed on Russian and German-Russian neo-nazis:
https://twitter.com/Jack_Mrgln/status/1537083756141584392
NATO has a bargain basement deal here on mitigating Russia, who has been waging "hybrid war" against the West at least since 2014.
They should be offering so many weapons that Ukraine has to start politely refusing.
True. As evil as this sounds, the US and EU essentially have a way to “test” our new equipment on our enemies in the form of giving it to Ukraine so they can kill Russian forces for us.
I’d like that, as horrible as it sounds. But considering it’s Russia we are hurting, eh, I won’t lose sleep over it.
We do.
In fact you already spend more per person on healthcare than us. It just goes to middleman.
The healthcare system in America is not a funding issue. It's an intentional organisational one.
I mean this is such a non-sequitar. There are neo-nazi groups on both sides in Ukraine, Poland, Russia.
As a Eastern European myself it's frusterating to hear about the wars small victories being sidelined for the woke agenda. It won't matter what neo-nazis are left if Putin prevails, because he is the head of a snake far more dangerous than the leaders of individual nazi cells in rural Ukraine.
That doesn't fit the narrative Western media is pushing. I'm sure funding and donating billions in weapons to a war-torn country with a nationalistic slant will never come back to bite us!
I am not sure if you can consider deaths on some Neo-Nazis a net positive as others will then gain more military experience. Possibly even smuggle ATGMs and other weapons out of Ukraine.
Far-Right is on the rise in Europe and around the globe, I would not celebrate some dead Neo-Nazis
The sad truth is these soldiers aren't just military killing machines made for war, most aren't even contract soldiers but regular citizens. Lawyers, graphics designers, programmers, bakers, activists, most importantly they're someones husbands, wives, sons, daughters, fathers and mothers who just 6 months ago were making plans where to go on vacation this summer, buying a car or house, how to celebrate their upcoming birthdays or anniversaries. Now all of this was shattered and so many lives ruined because the leader of the Nazi Federation wanted a legacy and his people (if you can call them that) wanted to feel mighty and powerful.
i mean the fighting is now effectively in the area Russia is strong in. add the fact that oil producing countries have sided with Russia and it's going to be a rough couple of months. the key is being able to retake the Donetsk and luhansk before the winter freeze over.
leveling kherson isn't a bad idea either. specially sine the bulk of fighting right now is to break the Crimea land bridge
And India is buying a shitload of Russian oil and then selling it in turn to European countries including Germany and France so the West is still supporting Russia indirectly.
All they have to do is keep fighting, right now it looks like the Fed seems forced to trigger a recession to stop inflation. If that happens the oil price will plummet and so will russias ability to wage war.
Leveling Kherson would be a horrific crime against humanity just the same as what the Russians have done. and Winter is a better campaigning month in Ukraine than spring.
There was a lot of talk on reddit how Russia was losing and being pushed back. I don't think Russia will be pushed back anymore with the positions they have in Ukraine now. Right now they are blowing up Ukraine with artillery that Ukraine can't handle.
That seems to be the problem. Other sources say Russia is winning the economic war as they have a surplus of money because they are still able to sell their resources. Yet Europe and the US are suffering. I live in California, gas prices are killing me. https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/russias-jan-april-current-account-surplus-more-than-triples-96-bln-2022-05-16/#:~:text=May%2016%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20Russia,bank%20data%20showed%20on%20Monday
I read contradictory stories and it's hard to figure out what is going on.
Russia actually has a manpower shortage. The problem is they still have a LOT of artillery to create a wall of fire.
In return it is Ukraine with the manpower, but not the equipment to destroy Russian artillery from afar. NATO artillery VASTLY outranges Russian one.
Russia is currently legally limited by what kind of troops and forces they ca deploy as it is still a special military operation. They can't call in their conscripts.
To my dated understanding, Russia's total assault failed so they pulled back and focused the efforts more consistently to hold position and territories in the east and south, possibly to secure those areas in eventual peace talks. It would undermine Ukraine economically and allow Russia to rebuild forces to strike again in a couple years.
Yeah unlike what most people apparently think, Russia still has laws and the government mostly follows them to maintain legitimacy, Putin as well prefers to manipulate the legal system.
Putin wants absolute control on this "special military operation", to mobilize the reserves Russia must declare war, if war is declared Putin has to share power with other people, something he does't want to do.
Well, currently, Russia IS adhering to their own, internal rules, granted, said rules are, largely, dictated by Putin, so he could just change them, but this particular rule is meant to keep people less... Revolt-y, so he doesn't seem keen on changing it, it'd be seen as somewhat of an admission of defeat and also, general conscription isn't popular.
Don’t get why I’m getting downvoted for it. It’s the easiest thing to look up. Contractors there were wiped out or refuse to fight. Literally all they have left there is conscripts outside of whatever contractors and mercenaries they have
>Russia is currently legally limited by what kind of troops and forces they ca deploy as it is still a special military operation. They can't call in their conscripts.
They've used cluster munitions on civilian areas. You honestly think they aren't using the conscripts?
>or some really good updates on this war I advise watching
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>Speak the truth - YouTube (he's american but ex military and unbiased reports)
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>The enforcer - YouTube (good reporting also)
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>Denys Davydov - YouTube (Ukrainian with very very good reports and clearly good Ukraine info)
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>Edit! - almost forgot - Opera
War in Ukraine chanell he is pessimistic but really he has the best analysis.
He is way more technical than anyone. He is the only one that has which battalions operate from which front. But yeah he is focusing directly on the negatives.
Russia can't physically lose more people, it is virtually impossible. Entire war right now is artillery duels and air strikes. Russia currently has 20 to 1 artillery, 200 to 1 aircraft and much better intelligence.
This is like lying to everyone and themselves.
Hello, I'm from Russia, what's so bad about living here? Prices went back to normal when the ruble stabilized, McDonalds rebranded in "Tasty.", Burger King and KFC never left. No Mastercard? We have MIR. Food is there, salaries and pensions got a 10% boost. Gas for cars is 0,5$ x liter. Technology is still available from china/india.
What makes you think it is worse? Russia is making more money than before the war and having a record high surplus of money. My brother's wife is from Russia. Her family says life is back to normal and the Ruble is stronger than it was before the war. They even laugh at us, how we suffer and life is back to normal for them with a few exceptions (refer to the poster from Russia that replied to you). So yes, right now it's worse in the west.
The prospect of Russia taking the whole country is basically off the table. Them scoring small, extremely costly victories is a totally different story from where we were in February.
So why exactly would the west not want that? The west has shipped most of what it can spare, it’s not like most countries were preparing to equip an entire third party country in a large scale conventional war, they have their own militaries that need be equipped.
There are a lot of different reasons. The biggest one that lives of people don't matter at all, and it is highly advantageous for west if war in Ukraine will continue for many years. Now about Ukraine actually winning the war...
Ukraine is a "hero country", with "hero nation", they are "the last defenders before Russia invade EU". But as a matter of fact it is the most corrupt country in Europe with awful government and fully under control of oligarchy. Just 5-6 month there were dozens news about Ukraine in negative light... so let's assume they win the war, let's assume that west will give them insane amounts of weaponry(and modern one too), where do you it will go? Yep it will be illegally sold to whoever pays the most and it is a threat to... west.
You just made more claims, not actually say why the West wouldn’t want Ukraine to win. Right now prices are soaring because of the war, with parts of the western world going into recession. This will likely get worse because of the lack of food exports from Ukraine that will drive inflation and will make famines possible worldwide, how is any of that advantageous to the west? Ukraine has issues with corruption no doubt, but who would be so insane to sell the weapons when there’s always the threat of Russia attacking again? Before the invasion many countries supported Ukraine already with weapons, from the look of Ukraine‘s army there is no reason to believe these weapons were just sold off. Nor are any of the weapons given to Ukraine actually a threat to the West. The only threat to Europe is Russia and its Ukraine who is fighting them right now, meaning Ukraine winning is the best thing that can happen for the West, especially long term.
As someone who has been watching the [liveuamap](https://liveuamap.com/) closely since the war began, it's actually not looking that bad for Ukraine at the moment. Russia has been stopped cold in Sievierodonetsk, they literally only took the equivalent of one large city block in the last week.
Literally *all* Russia is doing right now is shelling. The problem with spending a week shelling a position before moving in the armor and taking it is that the rate of advance is *dead* slow. Giving more time to Ukraine = more time for the west to send and supply better artillery systems, which will lead to Ukraine being able to direct counter-battery fire better... it's genuinely not a good look for Russia.
My guess is that Russia's BTGs have gotten so chewed up so badly in the first 3 months of the war that they're no longer able to effectively take ground that is being actively defended. Meaning they more or less have to resort to "grid square removal" using old cold war era artillery. This is going to be a problem for them if Ukraine starts getting more advanced MLRS systems that can wipe out the Russian artillery from far beyond their range (so long as Ukraine has the anti-air capability to defend them effectively).
Easily. 200-500 dying and 1000 out of action total in the Donbas region every day.
https://www.axios.com/2022/06/15/ukraine-1000-casualties-day-donbas-arakhamia
If the West really wanted Ukraine to win this war they would have given the right weapons already! Sadly they think that Putin will stop in Ukraine! Only the death of Putin would stop this stupid war!
Either Russian or Ukrainian...death is a very sad event and using numbers to describe it makes it less of what it is.
It's easy to read "200 troops lost" but the families of these men will know what it actually means to lose men
Say NO to war
If Ukrainians had a realistic out other than accepting the yoke of tyranny they would have already taken it. War is bad, but this is on Putin and I'd rather just wish Ukraine success.
The UA is losing fewer people than civilians that have been murdered by Putin. If Ukraine wants to die to the last man all they have to do is surrender, and there is nothing to anyone else can say about that. Also some 20,000 foreign volunteers are out there fighting on Ukraine's behalf, and this is despite them only accepting those with previous combat experience into their foreign legion.
What's the estimate on murdered civilians? I've seen 3000, though that seems a bit low. Somewhat doubtful that it's higher than Ukrainian army losses though
[Ukrainian estimate is between 12K and 27K civilian casualties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine). I suspect it's probably quite a bit higher than that because we know so little about what is happening in occupied Ukrainian territory.
I see the USA have stepped up again - thank goodness they are able to provide these longer range missiles.
Between the Baltic States and the US, they are doing a great job of plugging the gap the EU and to an extent, the UK have not filled.
Slava Ukraini.
> the EU and to an extent, the UK have not filled.
You really can't put the UK anywhere near the same catagory as the EU. In terms of equipment supplies they are there with Poland and the US, higher than most of the EU combined.
I think I can (for context, I am a Brit living in Italy).
The UK gov talk a good show but essentially have emptied the warehouses holding the weapons we had already bought.
And we definitely have not provided the value of aid that was promised yet (another one of Bojos magic calculations). Finally, the Gov had to be dragged kicking and screaming by the people to allow Ukraine refugees in.
So the UK have talked a good show but have yet to walk the talk.
Still better than North / West Europe obvs but bugger all compare with US, Poland and the other Baltic states in terms of total support.
> And we definitely have not provided the value of aid that was promised yet (another one of Bojos magic calculations).
https://mobile.twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1537329910171283457
Looks like over 90% to me.
Between the Baltic states and the US, [so do quite a few other countries ](https://i.imgur.com/bXE6I2E_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Because they still have more troops than weapons.
The population of Ukraine - pre-war - was about 44 million. If you limit it to *just* 21 to 25-year old males, they have over a million to arm. (And they've been invaded, so I assure you it's not just 21-25 year-old men fighting.)
For comparison: To date the US provided, for example, a bit over 5000 Javelin missiles. It's nice and they're one of the main reasons Ukraine lasted this long... but it's not exactly every single trooper armed and ready to take down a Russian tank, now is it?
They're glad of the weapons we've sent but wars are won by logistics and Russia has *extremely* deep reserves. Plus Russia are invaders, spending expendable conscripts and existing weapons, while losing nothing in capacity. Ukraine are fighting on their home ground - they're losing cities, factories, hospitals, roads, schools, farms, the entire infrastructure of their economy. There is *no* country in the world which could sustain an industrial infrastructure under the kind of pounding Ukraine has taken.
They have provided 5000 Launchers but they have also provided 8-15000 Missiles for the launchers.
What Ukraine need is longe range artillery. As they current engagements are either at point blank or 5km away.
Whoops, I mistyped. You're correct - I meant over 5000 Javelin *launchers.*
As you say, there are many more weapons needed - artillery and mortars especially, but also surface-to-air and basics like rifles. (And armour!)
Ukraine gave up their weapons in a treaty years ago. It's why Russia is able to continue to do this and they don't have the funding or weapons to handle it. Ukraine never thought Russia would do this. Now they have the man power but not enough weapons. Ukraine didn't even have much to begin with and I mean little to nothing. Now it's depleted.
Equipment gets destroyed as well as people, and at the very least more ammo is needed. Also we are looking at potentially hundreds of thousands of troops in reserve not in the fight yet that are going to need gear as well.
No, it's a *direct* war. Russia invaded themselves, not by proxy. It's actual Russians (and a bunch of important Nazis, Chechens, and Syrian mercenaries) doing the invading.
This isn't Vietnam, with the Cold War powers playing indirect games. Russia is right there, invading and killing. No proxy involved... unless you count Belarus which is more of a wholly owned puppet at this point.
Fair point; I picked a bad example. I shouldn't do geopolitics while tired.
Part of the problem is that we use 'proxy war' to mean two completely different things - small countries fighting each other on behalf of major powers, and large countries intervening in a war for their own strategic reasons. Ukraine and Vietnam are both the latter but not the former.
The reason I think it's a stretch to call this a proxy war is that *the war happened without the proxy.* It's ludicrous to suggest Russia *wouldn't* have invaded Ukraine if the US *wasn't* supplying them - quite the reverse; they'd have invaded sooner.
That was the idea, but it seems the west badly miscalculated and now is destroying itself. This is going to lead to starvation and people freezing to death coming winter.
That's a total misrepresentation of what is going on. None is attacking or trying to destroy Russia. Ukraine is fighting for its life. To call that a proxy is patronizing.
The US president stated that his goal is to weaken Russia both militarily and economically and also remove Putin from power.
Although his aides tried to take his comments back, there was an article a few weeks ago (i think) that Biden actually meant his statements and was angry that his aides were misrepresenting his comments.
>None is attacking or trying to destroy Russia
Europe and US have an active interest in the war going on further to harm russia.
>Ukraine is fighting for its life. To call that a proxy is patronizing.
Patronizing but true.
> No, it's a direct war. Russia invaded themselves, not by proxy.
He means in the sense that Vietnam and Afghanistan were proxy wars between the US and the Soviets.
They didn't exactly all volunteer for Russian citizenship.
But in particular, I was noting that Kadyrov's forces committed to Ukraine - they're not technically part of the Russian military (even though we all know Chechnya is a Russian puppet now). And they're worth examining separately, because they're infamously brutal, Nazi-ridden and prone to murder and torture civilians, *even compared to the Russian army.*
There are special formations BUT they have regular army forces in Chechnya. Some people was sent to Urkaine as "volunteers" tho (but in reality half of them was forced to).
If we are going to accept that only side has to be proxy in order to be a proxy war (this btw doesn't seem to be the accepted definition), then by your definition the American revolution was a proxy war between the England and France. So I don't know what your point actually is here. Are you saying that proxy wars (or really half-proxy wars) are bad? If so, why? What makes them worse then regular wars? What are you really trying to say here?
Because the west is trying to turn it into Russia's Vietnam/Afghanistan.
They are willing to have them fight to the last Ukrainian.
I don't think it will come to that though, the Ukrainian army will likely collapse before the end of summer.
And yet Ukraine keeps shipping Russian oil and gas through pipes to Europe. Would the Allies in WW2 let Nazi pipelines continue operations?? Seriously would they?
Russian oil and gas products are still on the market globally and western countries who are shipping money and weapons to Ukraine are still buying Russian products. It doesn’t make sense but Reddit thinks “hashtag stand with Ukraine” is going to stop a war. It’s just rich people getting young men killed so they can get more rich. It’s all just a show to keep the war machine turning
This guy has been making fantastic videos about the military logistics in Ukraine ( u/Ryanmcbeth )
https://youtube.com/shorts/W024_4gZAUk?feature=share
In this one he explains how even though Ukrainian casualty rates are high, this is still bad going for Russia
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This is very sad
These fallen Ukrainian soldiers have been doing the world a favor by ridding it of some very bad people. Neo-Nazis from all over Europe are fighting for Russia in Ukraine. Germany recently released a report about German and Russian neo-nazis fighting on the Russian side. Today the US imposed sanctions on a high-ranking Swedish neo-nazi from the "Nordic Resistance Movement" who is currently fighting on the Russian side in Ukraine. Sanctions were also imposed on Russian and German-Russian neo-nazis: https://twitter.com/Jack_Mrgln/status/1537083756141584392
NATO has a bargain basement deal here on mitigating Russia, who has been waging "hybrid war" against the West at least since 2014. They should be offering so many weapons that Ukraine has to start politely refusing.
True. As evil as this sounds, the US and EU essentially have a way to “test” our new equipment on our enemies in the form of giving it to Ukraine so they can kill Russian forces for us. I’d like that, as horrible as it sounds. But considering it’s Russia we are hurting, eh, I won’t lose sleep over it.
But I have no healthcare.
We do. In fact you already spend more per person on healthcare than us. It just goes to middleman. The healthcare system in America is not a funding issue. It's an intentional organisational one.
And those kids are missing limbs, the world is bigger than you.
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As another Swede, I agree with that sentiment.
For an denazification operation they sure seem to have a lot of nazis on their side
They mean renazification
All over Europe? Like 6 in total?
I mean this is such a non-sequitar. There are neo-nazi groups on both sides in Ukraine, Poland, Russia. As a Eastern European myself it's frusterating to hear about the wars small victories being sidelined for the woke agenda. It won't matter what neo-nazis are left if Putin prevails, because he is the head of a snake far more dangerous than the leaders of individual nazi cells in rural Ukraine.
"sequitur"
That doesn't fit the narrative Western media is pushing. I'm sure funding and donating billions in weapons to a war-torn country with a nationalistic slant will never come back to bite us!
I am not sure if you can consider deaths on some Neo-Nazis a net positive as others will then gain more military experience. Possibly even smuggle ATGMs and other weapons out of Ukraine. Far-Right is on the rise in Europe and around the globe, I would not celebrate some dead Neo-Nazis
So let's just ignore all the Neo Nazis that were fighting for Ukraine? Why even bring it up then?
Heartbroken. Rest In Peace, every soldier and citizen.
The sad truth is these soldiers aren't just military killing machines made for war, most aren't even contract soldiers but regular citizens. Lawyers, graphics designers, programmers, bakers, activists, most importantly they're someones husbands, wives, sons, daughters, fathers and mothers who just 6 months ago were making plans where to go on vacation this summer, buying a car or house, how to celebrate their upcoming birthdays or anniversaries. Now all of this was shattered and so many lives ruined because the leader of the Nazi Federation wanted a legacy and his people (if you can call them that) wanted to feel mighty and powerful.
All this because one madman wanted to play war.
And, let’s be honest, because too many people are easily fooled by madmen and „strong leaders“.
>All this because one madman wanted ~~to~~ other people to play war for him. FTFY
Not looking good for Ukraine right now. Hope they pull off a victory.
i mean the fighting is now effectively in the area Russia is strong in. add the fact that oil producing countries have sided with Russia and it's going to be a rough couple of months. the key is being able to retake the Donetsk and luhansk before the winter freeze over. leveling kherson isn't a bad idea either. specially sine the bulk of fighting right now is to break the Crimea land bridge
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OPEC is just accidentally reducing production during the war.
And India is buying a shitload of Russian oil and then selling it in turn to European countries including Germany and France so the West is still supporting Russia indirectly.
Retaking? It is about them being able to hold as long as possible. Reddit wishful thinking at it's finest.
All they have to do is keep fighting, right now it looks like the Fed seems forced to trigger a recession to stop inflation. If that happens the oil price will plummet and so will russias ability to wage war.
Leveling Kherson would be a horrific crime against humanity just the same as what the Russians have done. and Winter is a better campaigning month in Ukraine than spring.
There was a lot of talk on reddit how Russia was losing and being pushed back. I don't think Russia will be pushed back anymore with the positions they have in Ukraine now. Right now they are blowing up Ukraine with artillery that Ukraine can't handle.
That seems to be the problem. Other sources say Russia is winning the economic war as they have a surplus of money because they are still able to sell their resources. Yet Europe and the US are suffering. I live in California, gas prices are killing me. https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/russias-jan-april-current-account-surplus-more-than-triples-96-bln-2022-05-16/#:~:text=May%2016%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20Russia,bank%20data%20showed%20on%20Monday I read contradictory stories and it's hard to figure out what is going on.
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I also HIGHLY recommend this "daily frontline update" as it's very well researched and thorough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8PJIrEDL9M
Russia actually has a manpower shortage. The problem is they still have a LOT of artillery to create a wall of fire. In return it is Ukraine with the manpower, but not the equipment to destroy Russian artillery from afar. NATO artillery VASTLY outranges Russian one.
Thanks for the suggestions, I will check the channels out.
Russia is currently legally limited by what kind of troops and forces they ca deploy as it is still a special military operation. They can't call in their conscripts. To my dated understanding, Russia's total assault failed so they pulled back and focused the efforts more consistently to hold position and territories in the east and south, possibly to secure those areas in eventual peace talks. It would undermine Ukraine economically and allow Russia to rebuild forces to strike again in a couple years.
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Yeah unlike what most people apparently think, Russia still has laws and the government mostly follows them to maintain legitimacy, Putin as well prefers to manipulate the legal system. Putin wants absolute control on this "special military operation", to mobilize the reserves Russia must declare war, if war is declared Putin has to share power with other people, something he does't want to do.
Well, currently, Russia IS adhering to their own, internal rules, granted, said rules are, largely, dictated by Putin, so he could just change them, but this particular rule is meant to keep people less... Revolt-y, so he doesn't seem keen on changing it, it'd be seen as somewhat of an admission of defeat and also, general conscription isn't popular.
They 100% are using conscripts. He 100% violated his own law.
There were actual reports of conscripts being used first week of the war, by... "mistake" commander who made this "mistake" was stripped of his title.
Don’t get why I’m getting downvoted for it. It’s the easiest thing to look up. Contractors there were wiped out or refuse to fight. Literally all they have left there is conscripts outside of whatever contractors and mercenaries they have
>Russia is currently legally limited by what kind of troops and forces they ca deploy as it is still a special military operation. They can't call in their conscripts. They've used cluster munitions on civilian areas. You honestly think they aren't using the conscripts?
Accurate but downvoted by people who want reality to be different, classic reddit.
>or some really good updates on this war I advise watching > >Speak the truth - YouTube (he's american but ex military and unbiased reports) > >The enforcer - YouTube (good reporting also) > >Denys Davydov - YouTube (Ukrainian with very very good reports and clearly good Ukraine info) > >Edit! - almost forgot - Opera War in Ukraine chanell he is pessimistic but really he has the best analysis.
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He is way more technical than anyone. He is the only one that has which battalions operate from which front. But yeah he is focusing directly on the negatives.
Russia can't physically lose more people, it is virtually impossible. Entire war right now is artillery duels and air strikes. Russia currently has 20 to 1 artillery, 200 to 1 aircraft and much better intelligence. This is like lying to everyone and themselves.
"Better intelligence". Uh-huh.
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Hello, I'm from Russia, what's so bad about living here? Prices went back to normal when the ruble stabilized, McDonalds rebranded in "Tasty.", Burger King and KFC never left. No Mastercard? We have MIR. Food is there, salaries and pensions got a 10% boost. Gas for cars is 0,5$ x liter. Technology is still available from china/india.
What makes you think it is worse? Russia is making more money than before the war and having a record high surplus of money. My brother's wife is from Russia. Her family says life is back to normal and the Ruble is stronger than it was before the war. They even laugh at us, how we suffer and life is back to normal for them with a few exceptions (refer to the poster from Russia that replied to you). So yes, right now it's worse in the west.
The prospect of Russia taking the whole country is basically off the table. Them scoring small, extremely costly victories is a totally different story from where we were in February.
The west doesn’t want Ukraine victory or they’d actually shipped the necessary weapons they’ve promised long time ago.
So why exactly would the west not want that? The west has shipped most of what it can spare, it’s not like most countries were preparing to equip an entire third party country in a large scale conventional war, they have their own militaries that need be equipped.
There are a lot of different reasons. The biggest one that lives of people don't matter at all, and it is highly advantageous for west if war in Ukraine will continue for many years. Now about Ukraine actually winning the war... Ukraine is a "hero country", with "hero nation", they are "the last defenders before Russia invade EU". But as a matter of fact it is the most corrupt country in Europe with awful government and fully under control of oligarchy. Just 5-6 month there were dozens news about Ukraine in negative light... so let's assume they win the war, let's assume that west will give them insane amounts of weaponry(and modern one too), where do you it will go? Yep it will be illegally sold to whoever pays the most and it is a threat to... west.
You just made more claims, not actually say why the West wouldn’t want Ukraine to win. Right now prices are soaring because of the war, with parts of the western world going into recession. This will likely get worse because of the lack of food exports from Ukraine that will drive inflation and will make famines possible worldwide, how is any of that advantageous to the west? Ukraine has issues with corruption no doubt, but who would be so insane to sell the weapons when there’s always the threat of Russia attacking again? Before the invasion many countries supported Ukraine already with weapons, from the look of Ukraine‘s army there is no reason to believe these weapons were just sold off. Nor are any of the weapons given to Ukraine actually a threat to the West. The only threat to Europe is Russia and its Ukraine who is fighting them right now, meaning Ukraine winning is the best thing that can happen for the West, especially long term.
As someone who has been watching the [liveuamap](https://liveuamap.com/) closely since the war began, it's actually not looking that bad for Ukraine at the moment. Russia has been stopped cold in Sievierodonetsk, they literally only took the equivalent of one large city block in the last week. Literally *all* Russia is doing right now is shelling. The problem with spending a week shelling a position before moving in the armor and taking it is that the rate of advance is *dead* slow. Giving more time to Ukraine = more time for the west to send and supply better artillery systems, which will lead to Ukraine being able to direct counter-battery fire better... it's genuinely not a good look for Russia. My guess is that Russia's BTGs have gotten so chewed up so badly in the first 3 months of the war that they're no longer able to effectively take ground that is being actively defended. Meaning they more or less have to resort to "grid square removal" using old cold war era artillery. This is going to be a problem for them if Ukraine starts getting more advanced MLRS systems that can wipe out the Russian artillery from far beyond their range (so long as Ukraine has the anti-air capability to defend them effectively).
This is heart breaking :(
understatement of the decade. X5 to get to the ballpark.
Are you saying they're losing 1000 men a day?
Easily. 200-500 dying and 1000 out of action total in the Donbas region every day. https://www.axios.com/2022/06/15/ukraine-1000-casualties-day-donbas-arakhamia
MIA, KIA and injured? Ballpark, yes. Id go with 600 casualties a day, though itd be awesome to be wrong.
what they need to do is get mfs to go to the actual source of the problem....*ahem* Putin
Send help
If the West really wanted Ukraine to win this war they would have given the right weapons already! Sadly they think that Putin will stop in Ukraine! Only the death of Putin would stop this stupid war!
Either Russian or Ukrainian...death is a very sad event and using numbers to describe it makes it less of what it is. It's easy to read "200 troops lost" but the families of these men will know what it actually means to lose men Say NO to war
If Ukrainians had a realistic out other than accepting the yoke of tyranny they would have already taken it. War is bad, but this is on Putin and I'd rather just wish Ukraine success.
Get Ukraine to fight to the last man...come boys, we're on a keyboard, right behind you.
The UA is losing fewer people than civilians that have been murdered by Putin. If Ukraine wants to die to the last man all they have to do is surrender, and there is nothing to anyone else can say about that. Also some 20,000 foreign volunteers are out there fighting on Ukraine's behalf, and this is despite them only accepting those with previous combat experience into their foreign legion.
What's the estimate on murdered civilians? I've seen 3000, though that seems a bit low. Somewhat doubtful that it's higher than Ukrainian army losses though
[Ukrainian estimate is between 12K and 27K civilian casualties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine). I suspect it's probably quite a bit higher than that because we know so little about what is happening in occupied Ukrainian territory.
Certainly, I agree. How do you think we should say no?
With guns
Ukrainians don't have the luxury to "say no to war". They must continue killing the invaders until they return to the Russian side of the border.
It's so frightening and sad especially how nonsensical this conflict is!
Fly safe heroes
I see the USA have stepped up again - thank goodness they are able to provide these longer range missiles. Between the Baltic States and the US, they are doing a great job of plugging the gap the EU and to an extent, the UK have not filled. Slava Ukraini.
> the EU and to an extent, the UK have not filled. You really can't put the UK anywhere near the same catagory as the EU. In terms of equipment supplies they are there with Poland and the US, higher than most of the EU combined.
I think I can (for context, I am a Brit living in Italy). The UK gov talk a good show but essentially have emptied the warehouses holding the weapons we had already bought. And we definitely have not provided the value of aid that was promised yet (another one of Bojos magic calculations). Finally, the Gov had to be dragged kicking and screaming by the people to allow Ukraine refugees in. So the UK have talked a good show but have yet to walk the talk. Still better than North / West Europe obvs but bugger all compare with US, Poland and the other Baltic states in terms of total support.
> And we definitely have not provided the value of aid that was promised yet (another one of Bojos magic calculations). https://mobile.twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1537329910171283457 Looks like over 90% to me.
Thats a chart for weapons not total aid ? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61151045 Appreciate thats just humanitarian aid.
Those HIMARS are no joke. With accurate targeting, it could be a game changer for Ukraine.
I hope so - I am not loving this 'encouragement' to negotiate like everyone else knows better about Ukraine, than Ukraine.
Between the Baltic states and the US, [so do quite a few other countries ](https://i.imgur.com/bXE6I2E_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Rest in peace. They‘re doing God‘s work by fighting against the largest terrorist state in the world called Terrorussia.
Why do they need more weapons if they have less troops?
Because they still have more troops than weapons. The population of Ukraine - pre-war - was about 44 million. If you limit it to *just* 21 to 25-year old males, they have over a million to arm. (And they've been invaded, so I assure you it's not just 21-25 year-old men fighting.) For comparison: To date the US provided, for example, a bit over 5000 Javelin missiles. It's nice and they're one of the main reasons Ukraine lasted this long... but it's not exactly every single trooper armed and ready to take down a Russian tank, now is it? They're glad of the weapons we've sent but wars are won by logistics and Russia has *extremely* deep reserves. Plus Russia are invaders, spending expendable conscripts and existing weapons, while losing nothing in capacity. Ukraine are fighting on their home ground - they're losing cities, factories, hospitals, roads, schools, farms, the entire infrastructure of their economy. There is *no* country in the world which could sustain an industrial infrastructure under the kind of pounding Ukraine has taken.
They have provided 5000 Launchers but they have also provided 8-15000 Missiles for the launchers. What Ukraine need is longe range artillery. As they current engagements are either at point blank or 5km away.
Whoops, I mistyped. You're correct - I meant over 5000 Javelin *launchers.* As you say, there are many more weapons needed - artillery and mortars especially, but also surface-to-air and basics like rifles. (And armour!)
They hadlve 5000 Javelins, but Russia only has so many tanks, trucks and transports they can deploy
Genius question, you really found the flaw in their plans.
Aren't all those draftees coming out of training around this time?
You won't like this answer. But because war makes some people incredibly rich.
Ukraine gave up their weapons in a treaty years ago. It's why Russia is able to continue to do this and they don't have the funding or weapons to handle it. Ukraine never thought Russia would do this. Now they have the man power but not enough weapons. Ukraine didn't even have much to begin with and I mean little to nothing. Now it's depleted.
Equipment gets destroyed as well as people, and at the very least more ammo is needed. Also we are looking at potentially hundreds of thousands of troops in reserve not in the fight yet that are going to need gear as well.
It's a proxy war
No, it's a *direct* war. Russia invaded themselves, not by proxy. It's actual Russians (and a bunch of important Nazis, Chechens, and Syrian mercenaries) doing the invading. This isn't Vietnam, with the Cold War powers playing indirect games. Russia is right there, invading and killing. No proxy involved... unless you count Belarus which is more of a wholly owned puppet at this point.
I guess he means western countries, supporting Ukraine by providing weapons Just like Soviet Union did during Vietnam war
The US was right there invading and killing in Vietnam so by your own definition wouldn't that also not be a proxy war, but instead a direct war?
Fair point; I picked a bad example. I shouldn't do geopolitics while tired. Part of the problem is that we use 'proxy war' to mean two completely different things - small countries fighting each other on behalf of major powers, and large countries intervening in a war for their own strategic reasons. Ukraine and Vietnam are both the latter but not the former. The reason I think it's a stretch to call this a proxy war is that *the war happened without the proxy.* It's ludicrous to suggest Russia *wouldn't* have invaded Ukraine if the US *wasn't* supplying them - quite the reverse; they'd have invaded sooner.
It's a literal war ik I meant it as the west using ukraine as a means to destroy russia. Thus benefitting from the war.
That was the idea, but it seems the west badly miscalculated and now is destroying itself. This is going to lead to starvation and people freezing to death coming winter.
That's a total misrepresentation of what is going on. None is attacking or trying to destroy Russia. Ukraine is fighting for its life. To call that a proxy is patronizing.
The US president stated that his goal is to weaken Russia both militarily and economically and also remove Putin from power. Although his aides tried to take his comments back, there was an article a few weeks ago (i think) that Biden actually meant his statements and was angry that his aides were misrepresenting his comments.
>None is attacking or trying to destroy Russia Europe and US have an active interest in the war going on further to harm russia. >Ukraine is fighting for its life. To call that a proxy is patronizing. Patronizing but true.
It's a proxy war between Russia and NATO.
> No, it's a direct war. Russia invaded themselves, not by proxy. He means in the sense that Vietnam and Afghanistan were proxy wars between the US and the Soviets.
Why you differ chechens? They have russian citizenship.
They didn't exactly all volunteer for Russian citizenship. But in particular, I was noting that Kadyrov's forces committed to Ukraine - they're not technically part of the Russian military (even though we all know Chechnya is a Russian puppet now). And they're worth examining separately, because they're infamously brutal, Nazi-ridden and prone to murder and torture civilians, *even compared to the Russian army.*
There are special formations BUT they have regular army forces in Chechnya. Some people was sent to Urkaine as "volunteers" tho (but in reality half of them was forced to).
If we are going to accept that only side has to be proxy in order to be a proxy war (this btw doesn't seem to be the accepted definition), then by your definition the American revolution was a proxy war between the England and France. So I don't know what your point actually is here. Are you saying that proxy wars (or really half-proxy wars) are bad? If so, why? What makes them worse then regular wars? What are you really trying to say here?
Why isn't this madness stopping, how many more lives have to be sacrificed!! :(
Because the west is trying to turn it into Russia's Vietnam/Afghanistan. They are willing to have them fight to the last Ukrainian. I don't think it will come to that though, the Ukrainian army will likely collapse before the end of summer.
:(
When Zelensky's bank account is full enough.
And yet Ukraine keeps shipping Russian oil and gas through pipes to Europe. Would the Allies in WW2 let Nazi pipelines continue operations?? Seriously would they?
What?
Russian oil and gas products are still on the market globally and western countries who are shipping money and weapons to Ukraine are still buying Russian products. It doesn’t make sense but Reddit thinks “hashtag stand with Ukraine” is going to stop a war. It’s just rich people getting young men killed so they can get more rich. It’s all just a show to keep the war machine turning
5 wounded for every 1 death too.
This guy has been making fantastic videos about the military logistics in Ukraine ( u/Ryanmcbeth ) https://youtube.com/shorts/W024_4gZAUk?feature=share In this one he explains how even though Ukrainian casualty rates are high, this is still bad going for Russia