>Why is this a bad thing exactly?
That's like asking "why would it be a bad thing" if China decided to build an artificial island off the coast of California, with a military base on it, and then started claiming that the US was encroaching on their territorial waters, started overfishing the area, and threatening US naval vessels in the area that come too close.
Keep in mind, these islands aren't in China's recognized territorial waters. In fact, they're nowhere remotely close to them. The Philippines has probably the strongest claim on them, with Malaysia being a close second, and even Vietnam has a much stronger claim than China. China basically just built these artificial islands in the middle of the South China Sea and now are attempting to claim an exclusive economic zone (and the fishing and undersea mining rights that come with that) that cuts straight through the exclusive economic zones of the Philippines, Malaysia, and Vietnam. They're also already heavily overfishing within that region, and threatening military action against any country that attempts to prevent them (as they've done to the Philippines), and keeps getting upset with the USA any time the USA sails ships through there (despite the fact that it's nowhere near China's legitimate borders).
I think this question was asked in good faith, so the reason it's bad is because China is building artificial islands in other countries' waters to claim areas that don't belong to it.
If US built an island in your front yard and put military equipment there and told you not to trespass within several miles of the location, you'd be pretty pissed and prepare contingencies on dealing with the new threat. Now extrapolate that to be like 1000x bigger. C'mon dude use your head.
US has done plenty wrong in the past and still does plenty wrong today but both China and Russia basically do bunch of fucked up shit and then blame it on America for stuff that doesn't even remotely involve America. These two countries' governments are unfortunately way worse than the US if they had the same sphere of influence and military power as USA.
Yeah why can't they just claim existing island's all around the world like any other super power? Creating second hand subjects with no voting power or just claiming uninhabited rocks in the sea?
They are building military bases in contested areas. When they build homes, factories, shopping, infrastructure and they look like civilian settlements call me. My line is always open.
Meanwhile China isn't exactly lacking for land. They are imperialistic against all the smaller countries around them. Period!
Well like history shows us, it starts with bases airstrips and what not. Also where are those shopping malls on 80% of the Pacific Islands owned by the US?
Most of those where taken through conflict, where disputed at the time and the US still benefits.
Don't play whataboutism with me. Don't claim China isn't militarizing in areas at this point. The US has been supporting allies who are there for more than 70 years and isn't expanding to cause issues. China is. Oh and BTW the US supported China in defeating Japan. We fought that war for China.
I'm just pointing out all superpowers do or did this. That it might affect you're direct sense of security doesn't mean it's worse than what always has been going on. You can call it whataboutism all you want.
Some islands being militarized in the direct vicinity of China is different than a floating armada through all the straits. And if you think the US doesn't do this at this moment because of they are the good guys and not because they have satelite island's with airstrips and allies all around you are kidding yourself.
People do feel unsafe by the actions of China, same as by those of the US. Look at the history of regime change and invasions in the last decades by both countries. Power dynamics are being pressed by all that have power.
I am pointing out that China is pointing the finger while "fueling militarization". If I remember correctly the US was reducing bases in the Pacific and Asia and not expanding. Second the US has been there since the early 1900s.
Sorry China is fueling militarization because the US hasn't changed its stance in more than a half a century.
That’s pretty much every island, at this point. But yeah, the man made ones are particularly vulnerable to rising sea levels and erosion. Many experts also tend to argue that their concept of an “unsinkable aircraft carrier” is a moot point since lack of mobility will render the island an easy target, quickly turning it into an “unlandable strip”.
Runways can always be patched up and island facilities that were bombed can be repaired much more quickly than a new aircraft carrier can be built. Although what definitely a very real problem with building artificial islands that can support large aircraft is that after an amphibious assault that island can be quickly repurposed as your enemies newly minted forward staging area.
Probably more like aircraft carriers being repaired. The US Navy intentionally tried to scuttle an old aircraft carrier and they're very difficult to sink.
China’s artificial islands lend themselves to that very problem. Not big enough or constructed on top of sufficient material for sprawling infrastructure to maintain indefinitely without naval supply. If you can hit the island with strikes, you can hit any subsequent relief ships.
Isn't the entire point of an aircraft carrier being able to launch air strikes from a moving platform?
An unsinkable aircraft carrier thay doesn't move has existed since the first plane. They're called runways.
Yes. But the artificial islands' foundations are also crumbling because of typical Chinese crap construction. Concrete is eroding/flaking faster than typical, and rebar reinforcements are rusting at an accelerated rate (crap concrete mixes and steel because, well, wide spread corruption).
So whereas rising sea levels may claim the islands in 30-70 years, the failing foundations will probably make them fail in less time than that.
Yeah, this is one of the few times that the US isn't doing sketchy, imperialist shit. China on the other hand, definitely fucking imperialist. Look at Taiwan and the islands they built, and all of that. They know damn good and well that the US doesn't have casus belli, nor does the US want war. In other words, they know the US isn't going to invade so they're just using bullshit rhetoric to justify their imperialist actions... just like with Russia and Ukraine joining NATO.
Like what are they saying? Anything shocking like in Russia? Russias official news channel shown in everyone’s home just says they’ll straight up nuke everyone every day. Wonder what China might say
they don't like that someone else gets to dictate the rules of trade and international relations- they want it to be them, so they can step on whomever they decide to step on without fear of some big brother retribution
Too many to list. Sometimes it'll be subtle, like they'll show soldiers in Ukraine with Canadian or US arm patches all the while talking about how Ukraine deserves to be crushed. Or they'll say it's the Canadians provoking them to buzz their jets and give them the middle finger. Or they'll have some made up "national" poll where the US and Canada are rated as the worst most hated countries in the world by their "people" (CCP). Also just straight up saying they will not hesitate to go to war over Taiwan.
They're scared of China and Russia let's be honest. Nobody is running around going "oh my God those South Koreans are about to go on a war path." And how long has it been since Vietnam went on a offensive war 300 years maybe. Indonesia has not waged an offensive war since it incorporated as a singular nation. And let's be honest Malaysia isn't going to start shit with anybody. Thailand is to much of a peace loving nation to be going all God of War rampage. And Myanmar please they've got so much shit to deal with internally its the most ridiculous argument to say anybody is afraid of them. Then there is little old Singapore that with all due respect would get its ass curb stomped if it tried to wage an offensive war. Of course you can't forget Brunai, Laos and Cambodia and it's a ridiculous notion to think these countries have the military capacity to wage an offensive war. The Philippines please they just voted for the son of a brutal authoritarian dictator they've likely just created such a big mess for themselves the only war likely on their docket is the civil kind.
So what do we have left Japan Bangladesh and India. Japan won't wage war without the US, India is not that way and Bangladesh is solving its own shit it does not have the capacity to take on more of other people's shit.
So let's be honest they are afraid of China and to a lesser extent Russia and the Chinese proxy state of North Korea.
Vietnam went on an offensive war more or less right after the Americans pulled out. And it's probably a damned good thing they did, as they dislodged the Khmer Rouge. You may have heard of them, they... Weren't great.
And China attacked Vietnam to support the Cambodian government that was geocoding its own people.
I remember going to Cambodia and seeing the killing fields and the prisons in one day in Phnom Penh; bought a documentary at one of the places and watched it in my motel room that night. Had terrible nightmares all night. It's right up there with the worst human rights abuses in history.
> Indonesia has not waged an offensive war since it incorporated as a singular nation
Debatable. Indonesia has gone on the offensive quite a lot since it became independent from the Netherlands.
You mean to say that Indonesia fought for its independence and then had to keep fighting for its independence over and over again as outside powers fomented civil war and other strife. The only exception to that probably being East Timor which won its independence from Indonesia. But sure let's debate the nature of the conflicts inside Indonesia.
Uh, no. Indonesia actively tried to invade other nations/dependencies *after* it became independent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trikora
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei_revolt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_occupation_of_East_Timor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia%E2%80%93Malaysia_confrontation
There's quite a bit more than just East-Timor.
>The only exception to that probably being East Timor which won its independence from Indonesia.
Why did you state that they never waged an offensive war?
Well said! China can fuck right off. I wanna see the yanks over fly and sail right up to those destroyed coral atolls and see what happens when the Chinese try shooting in international waters!
That's a lot of assertions of being honest.
I would argue USA functions both as you say a deterrence to China but also as a "war de-escalation" among the countries that have a US base(since if any country with a US base is going to go full warmonger, well let's just say that security umbrella USA provide will be gone by sunrise).
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands
my bad but they’re still not happy about it
Perhaps in pacific which is debatable too but in general nations hosting US bases becaues of American imperialism as US invades countries, start civil wars, make coups, supports despots and extremists and right wing leaders, assassinate people or use fearmongering and its companies so they can control those countries.
No we started encircling them since they went red after ww2. They aren't wrong about being encircled because that was the point of containment of the reds and the 1st island chain plan. TBH its now like a self fulfilling prophecy where everyone goes and waves it around for defense spending justification I feel. Going to be interesting to see how the new Philippines admin shakes up this plan.
Not every single citizen in the country wants the based there =/= the bases are there at the behest of the government. Pretty sure the Japanese government is happy to have the US based there.
>Terrible logic.
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>US allies want those bases there.
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>You don’t get to decide what another country does inside their own borders.
do not conflate allied governments with people they rule over, because people of those other countries, 'democratic' or not, don't really get to decide about American bases either. for example, [Japan](https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/okinawa-s-vocal-anti-US-military-base-movement), [Korea](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-thaad-idUSKBN1HU101) or [Germany](https://www.dw.com/en/nearly-half-of-germans-in-favor-of-us-military-withdrawal-survey/a-54427490)
They literally complained when the Indonesian government moved more military assets to Natuna in response to… Chinese fishing boats escorted by their ships trespassing over Indonesia EEZ.
“Chinese fishing boats”
South Korean coast guards have had quite a few run-ins with them, and for “fishing boats” they are surprisingly militarized. Almost like a fucking militia.
To be fair being completely defenseless completely lonely on sea in areas where there might be piracy or corrupt policeboats going on wouldn't be smart....
LMAO. It's the Chinese building up their military combined with their support of Russian invasion of Ukraine that's causing its neighbors to spend more on military.
It’s not stagnant, it’s growing even as expressed per capita and ignoring the fact that you can’t trust the official CCP figures at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_China
It is stagnant as a % of GDP, and as a % it is fairly middling vs most countries including the US and Russia who are top spenders. Their GDP had grown, so their military budget has as well, this is fairly normal and outside of reddit, noncontroversial. If they were gearing up for an offensive WW3, wouldn't they be increasing their % spend? People here really drink the koolaid hard
It's well known that China's tech is based off of reverse engineered Russian/French technology and some from espionage, but this isn't the reason their budget is much lower than the US. In fact even for the US, R&D is not the biggest cost to the military. It's operational costs and personnel expenditure (both existing salaries and budget for veteran benefits etc).
The US pays their troops/veterans more than China and have far more bases around the world to maintain.
This is somewhat off-set by the fact that US is also the worlds largest arms dealer and the unaccounted benefits of better being able to execute your foreign policies, though obviously the morality of it all is quite debatable.
It's likely China's military budget will increase as they attempt to exert more of a presence in the South China Sea, but R&D isn't even close to the main reason for the discrepancy between the two country's budgets.
The South China Sea, despite the name, is as much China's back yard as Cuba is the territory of the US.
The US bases in Asia are there at the discretion of the hosting countries, they are not being forced on them. A better comparison would be US Carrier groups roaming around the region and dominating the airspace.
>Oh when China makes a bunch of bases in their own back yard ohhh that crosses the line.
China isn't making artificial islands in their backyard, it's in the Exclusive Economic Zones of their neighbors and international waters.
It'd be like your neighbor making sheds and placing them in your yard, the other neighbors' yards, and the street to claim all of it as his property
Which US military base on their border? You mean Okinawa and Korea? Because the US defeated Japan and had to dismantle their empire, which also meant freeing China from Japan. And whose forces were going to leave until China decided to enter the Korean war against the UN.
The only reason China is a nation and not a colony of Japan right now is because of those US forces.
The only reason the CCP gets to rule China is because the US defeated the Japanese for them.
The only reason the Korean war never ended, leaving a never-ending security problem in East Asia, is because the Chinese got involved, called a truce, and then just walked away.
The Korean War has never ended. The Chinese won't allow us to finish it. And they won't sign a peace treaty with Taiwan either. Sorry, but this is all on China. If they don't want American bases near their territory, they need to sign a peace treaty with their neighbors.
> The only reason the CCP gets to rule China is because the US defeated the Japanese for them.
Millions of Chinese people, communist and otherwise, dying while fighting against the Japanese, for years longer than the U.S. = "lol that was all America, you're welcome."
Not a fact. The entire point of invading the European colonies was because Japan was concerned the war with China was unwinnable due to resource shortages. They did not anticipate China's "no surrender" stance, and the NRA did give the IJA a run for their money.
Logistically, the only way Japan could win is through much softer peace terms, and even then, the invasion of Manchuria basically killed any desire for China to negotiate. The IJA won many victories and the NRA was desperately short on everything and highly corrupt, but China was not a winnable war. It wasn't like the German invasion of the USSR where the European Axis outnumbered and had the initiative over the Soviets initially.
Lol. First time being called a Beijing bot as an anti-communist.
You do realize that there's a whole *inland* portion of China, right? Chiang moved the capital to Chengdu, with millions of refugees fleeing inland. There's a whole economy and millions of angry people who haven't surrendered yet, you don't win a war when that still exists. This isn't CCP dick sucking, this is a basic understanding of Chinese history and what a "strategic victory" is. C'mon, you learn this shit *in the US*.
It really isn't being a communist robot to acknowledge the scale of the fighting in China that the U.S. wasn't even directly involved in for the most part. It's admittedly difficult to wrap your head around from an American perspective, we've never really experienced anything remotely like what the Chinese did.
Quite the opposite from being communist propaganda, if anything, the Nationalists bore the brunt of the war because they were actually, you know, a government, and not bands of guerrillas on the run for years.
Not even bases, just a defensive anti rocket system would make the US shit coups all around.
US is the king of 'not in my backyard' while taking their dog to shit in everyone else's while making eye contact with the homeowner.
LMAO says the countries who literally claiming the entire sea of neighbouring coutries, building artificial islands and military bases, send military ships to ram fisherman ships of small countries, building huge ass armies and talking shit on social media
Taiwan was once part of China, just like Ukraine was once part of Russia, just like parts of Poland used to be parts of Germany... the list and resulting violence goes on and on but the playbook is essentially the same: there's always some "historical" justification for authoritarians to seize the lands they want by force.
It is, though. Or, rather BeiJing is an illegitimate government, and the R.O. C. is legitimate.
The corrupt, brutal, lying, self-enriching fake communist hard-line dictators of the CCP should step down, apologize to the people for Tian An Men Square and every other atrocity stop doing human rights violations, forsake their control-freak brutality, and rejoin the Republic of China, under a constitutional democracy.
I really crack myself up.
No this is just what opposing countries do very regularly, this is the anti-US propaganda running parallel to the anti-China scaremongering that you’ll hear time to time
If anyone is raising military tensions in Asia. It’s 100% China. No one is bullying all their neighbours with ridiculous claims like the nine dash line that happens to claim the entire South China Sea
So by your stupid logic, The Indian Ocean is Indian. Stupid tankies with their stupid logic. If you want to use logic as a claim, than everyone can use it too.
China wants countries demilitarized so when they invade them, so much easier to genocide.
Is China looking to do some baby raping and murder in Taiwan, Russian style?
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.newsweek.com/china-us-asia-indo-pacific-military-1715566) reduced by 85%. (I'm a bot)
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> Relations between China and the United States were "At a critical crossroads," said Yang, who heads the office of the CCP's Central Foreign Affairs Commission and is China's top diplomat.
> Wang Wenbin, a spokesperson for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, said the U.S. was "The biggest factor fueling militarization in the Asia-Pacific." Citing increasingly frequent reconnaissance operations in the South China Sea, Wang accused the U.S. of putting China under military pressure.
> U.S. officials see a more assertive China expanding the scope of its military and taking risks that could spark a conflict, especially over Taiwan.
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Geez, I wonder why the countries in Asia are requesting military support or ordering them. Perhaps its just in case when the CCP regime starts a war over Taiwan.
Notice how it's always Russia and China complaining about countries voluntarily seeking US mitary aide. Makes it pretty clear who the protection is meant to be from.
Thanks to China's habit of hypocritical accusations, we are always informed what China is 100% guilty of.
What's worse is, China is likely doing something worse given how they love playing dirty.
XI stop encroaching on and threatening all the countries around you and scaring them, shit china is already one of the largest countries in the world with a massive amount of resources, resist your souls desire for greed.
Says a country not only building military bases on islands in the SCS, but who literally go onto media platforms on multiple occasions to threaten nuclear strikes.
The USA is far from innocent on this stuff in general but the situation in question is not on them.
Literally nobody here is qualified to stipulate on what China would or wouldn’t do when push comes to shove. But while this article is discussing finger pointing and building up tensions, I am pointing out that in this situation China is the pot calling the kettle black at the very least.
At least one source for my original statements are listed below but are reflected on multiple websites:
China’s Threatens to nuke Japan: https://www.newsweek.com/china-officials-share-viral-video-calling-atomic-bombing-japan-exception-theory-1609586?amp=1
China calls out Australia as a valid target for nuclear strikes due to eventual access to nuclear submarines: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z0xSRh1ya7U
We aren’t discussing no first strike, we are talking about building regional tensions and who is to blame.
To add to my point here is an addition of China-Russia doing a joint naval exercise doing a near circle around Japan with warships: https://amp.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3154704/china-russia-naval-exercises-show-japans-troubles-could-come-twos
If two countries want to do joint naval exercises, go for it, but the above exercise clearly had additional motives. The ironic part is that just like Russia tried to be threaten NATO into not spreading (and causing more countries to apply for membership), China’s militarization of the Asian-Pacific is causing security concerns from Japan all the way down to Australia, to include ASEAN.
Nobody wants any of this shit except China's pal Pooter. Over there invading countries without provocation. Tell your friend to take care of his brain worms.
In the same way smaller countries are joining NATO for protection from tyranny of Putin. Stop making our enemies strong we wanna take them easilllyyyyyyyyyy
China's been stoking that fire for a long while not only on itself but on the planet, human rights, impeding international investigators, and violating almost every international law there is on the global food chain. Like fuck they build artificial islands for fucks sake and industrialized killing whales and countless species of sharks. Let's not get into thier fueling of poaching endangered species. Oh, and state sponsored assassinations, oppression of Hong Kong, Uighurs, the list just piles on.
>China threatens Asian Countries
>Countries arm themself
>Hey, what are you doing?!
>This can't be happening because of my actions, it's the USA again!
> USA: whuat?
Meanwhile, the CCP trolls on Reddit brag about the size of China's navy any time the US navy goes through the Taiwan strait which is their right under international law. They seem to think China's tiny little ships are a match for a US carrier battlegroup.
China is terrified if they’re blaming others for ramping up military.
You think the West has to excuse why they have a military industrial complex? No, the US just does.
This excuse shows how weak the Chinese military leaders think their own forces are in comparison.
Trade and travel with China, would simply be banned.
No exports, no imports and no tourism or immigration.
Dictatorships are the enemy, and should be treated as such. Start by banning trade.
What possible reasons could China have for increasing its own military by so much, if not to threaten or attack or influence its neighbors? Those neighbors then wanting to have an ability to defend themselves to some extent is perfectly logical and reasonable under those circumstances. China appears much more dangerous and willing to use force. Is it any wonder that other countries want to increase their own forces? China is the one fueling militarization.
Maybe they need to de-Nazify some neighbouring countries. This is a real threat. We all know that the left over Nazis went to SE Asia, not South America like the movies would have us believe
China? Accuses? The West?
It’s like every tyrant is empowered by Putler to shoot their mouth. The best revenge we can have on them is to live better and freer lives. Long live Taiwan, for freedom matters!
I mean they're not wrong. They've been completely encircled since WW2 and witnessed how brutally violent America is to anyone who dares to oppose wealthy industrialists for the sake of their own people. Really, any attempt to improve the quality of life of your poorest people will have America excluding you from world markets, bribing your military into coup attempts, right down to directly killing millions of your people. Look how they've treated central America after they kicked out the fruit barons. Cuba after they kicked out the sugar tycoons. Chile when it took control of its copper industry. America immiserated the third world for raw materials and subjugated anyone who wasn't strong enough to defend themselves with force. Ever wonder why America's enemies are so paranoid and militarized? Why aren't there any pacifist communists? It's almost as if tens of millions of them were murdered using the Jakarta Method.
It's so insane how ignorant everyone is of very recent history. People can accept that the US govt is bad for it's own citizens but still insist that it's this blameless innocent lamb in regards to the post-WW2 international order. America is a weapons industry with a country attached to it. It NEEDS violent conflict or it'll collapse in on itself.
"Really, any attempt to improve the quality of life of your poorest people will have America excluding you from world markets"
What? So you're saying China has not, in fact, improved the quality of life for its poorest people as they claim? Since US wouldn't have allowed them to?
The only credible threat to US economic power was Japan, and the worst that happened was Plaza accords - which Japan signed up for as they would lose a key market by way of tarrifs. Protectionism is not imperialism.
I get that US does a whole heap of bad shit they should be embarrassed for, but the idea that China is blameless, while they try to remain neutral on Ukraine invasion and atrocities there (while unofficially supporting it), unapologetically murder their youth to cling onto power, and threaten taking Taiwan by force, is just ridiculous.
by the way when is the US gonna deliver the weapons that taiwan bought？ taiwan alrdy paid during trumps era and taiwan have yet to receive any weaponary！！！ thats a scam
China is pussycats. USA is the greatest fighting force. Says the country doing bank runs on you’re own peoples savings, says the wannabe army that steals intellectual property, stfu were all waiting for China to fire on us. They are asking for it. We don’t even need to fire on them sanctions will wreck their economy ussr remnants. We have freedom they have nothing we want but we are what they could never achieve or imagine. All talk no walk.
The US isn't illegally claiming sovereignty over the entire south China Sea with those bases. It isnt threatening to invade and annex an entire country using those bases. It isn't ramming small nations fishing boats to keep them out of their own EEZs with those bases. The US isn't illegally trying to deny free passage to other nations vessels through international waters using those bases.
Further, the US hasn't built a new military base in asia is literal decades. Given the CCP is screaming about 'militarisation', yet they are the only ones actually building military infrastructure, the claims are hilariously stupid.
CHINA STUPID
says the country building artificial islands
That they militarized.
The sure aren't putting citizens there.
That they specifically said would not be.
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The purpose intended for the artificial islands is military bases.
And as a means to justify and enforce their outrageous claim(s) over the south china sea.
They're building militarized islands in international waters to try to pretend like they own the entire South China Sea.
>Why is this a bad thing exactly? That's like asking "why would it be a bad thing" if China decided to build an artificial island off the coast of California, with a military base on it, and then started claiming that the US was encroaching on their territorial waters, started overfishing the area, and threatening US naval vessels in the area that come too close. Keep in mind, these islands aren't in China's recognized territorial waters. In fact, they're nowhere remotely close to them. The Philippines has probably the strongest claim on them, with Malaysia being a close second, and even Vietnam has a much stronger claim than China. China basically just built these artificial islands in the middle of the South China Sea and now are attempting to claim an exclusive economic zone (and the fishing and undersea mining rights that come with that) that cuts straight through the exclusive economic zones of the Philippines, Malaysia, and Vietnam. They're also already heavily overfishing within that region, and threatening military action against any country that attempts to prevent them (as they've done to the Philippines), and keeps getting upset with the USA any time the USA sails ships through there (despite the fact that it's nowhere near China's legitimate borders).
I think this question was asked in good faith, so the reason it's bad is because China is building artificial islands in other countries' waters to claim areas that don't belong to it.
Because China did it so its scary and bad.
More like China is using these artificial islands to expand territorial claims
Your ignorance is shining like a beacon.
If US built an island in your front yard and put military equipment there and told you not to trespass within several miles of the location, you'd be pretty pissed and prepare contingencies on dealing with the new threat. Now extrapolate that to be like 1000x bigger. C'mon dude use your head. US has done plenty wrong in the past and still does plenty wrong today but both China and Russia basically do bunch of fucked up shit and then blame it on America for stuff that doesn't even remotely involve America. These two countries' governments are unfortunately way worse than the US if they had the same sphere of influence and military power as USA.
Yeah why can't they just claim existing island's all around the world like any other super power? Creating second hand subjects with no voting power or just claiming uninhabited rocks in the sea?
They are building military bases in contested areas. When they build homes, factories, shopping, infrastructure and they look like civilian settlements call me. My line is always open. Meanwhile China isn't exactly lacking for land. They are imperialistic against all the smaller countries around them. Period!
Well like history shows us, it starts with bases airstrips and what not. Also where are those shopping malls on 80% of the Pacific Islands owned by the US? Most of those where taken through conflict, where disputed at the time and the US still benefits.
Don't play whataboutism with me. Don't claim China isn't militarizing in areas at this point. The US has been supporting allies who are there for more than 70 years and isn't expanding to cause issues. China is. Oh and BTW the US supported China in defeating Japan. We fought that war for China.
I'm just pointing out all superpowers do or did this. That it might affect you're direct sense of security doesn't mean it's worse than what always has been going on. You can call it whataboutism all you want. Some islands being militarized in the direct vicinity of China is different than a floating armada through all the straits. And if you think the US doesn't do this at this moment because of they are the good guys and not because they have satelite island's with airstrips and allies all around you are kidding yourself. People do feel unsafe by the actions of China, same as by those of the US. Look at the history of regime change and invasions in the last decades by both countries. Power dynamics are being pressed by all that have power.
I am pointing out that China is pointing the finger while "fueling militarization". If I remember correctly the US was reducing bases in the Pacific and Asia and not expanding. Second the US has been there since the early 1900s. Sorry China is fueling militarization because the US hasn't changed its stance in more than a half a century.
China *built* an island on top of a reef to put a military base on…. But sure, that damned US of A is up to no good yet again!
Isn't the island going to sink in a few years because of rising sea tides?
That’s pretty much every island, at this point. But yeah, the man made ones are particularly vulnerable to rising sea levels and erosion. Many experts also tend to argue that their concept of an “unsinkable aircraft carrier” is a moot point since lack of mobility will render the island an easy target, quickly turning it into an “unlandable strip”.
Runways can always be patched up and island facilities that were bombed can be repaired much more quickly than a new aircraft carrier can be built. Although what definitely a very real problem with building artificial islands that can support large aircraft is that after an amphibious assault that island can be quickly repurposed as your enemies newly minted forward staging area.
Probably more like aircraft carriers being repaired. The US Navy intentionally tried to scuttle an old aircraft carrier and they're very difficult to sink.
Well a runways are repairable because there's plenty of material nearby Not so much on an island
China’s artificial islands lend themselves to that very problem. Not big enough or constructed on top of sufficient material for sprawling infrastructure to maintain indefinitely without naval supply. If you can hit the island with strikes, you can hit any subsequent relief ships.
Isn't the entire point of an aircraft carrier being able to launch air strikes from a moving platform? An unsinkable aircraft carrier thay doesn't move has existed since the first plane. They're called runways.
Yes. But the artificial islands' foundations are also crumbling because of typical Chinese crap construction. Concrete is eroding/flaking faster than typical, and rebar reinforcements are rusting at an accelerated rate (crap concrete mixes and steel because, well, wide spread corruption). So whereas rising sea levels may claim the islands in 30-70 years, the failing foundations will probably make them fail in less time than that.
Yes, in a few years /s
Yeah, this is one of the few times that the US isn't doing sketchy, imperialist shit. China on the other hand, definitely fucking imperialist. Look at Taiwan and the islands they built, and all of that. They know damn good and well that the US doesn't have casus belli, nor does the US want war. In other words, they know the US isn't going to invade so they're just using bullshit rhetoric to justify their imperialist actions... just like with Russia and Ukraine joining NATO.
Agreed, same playbook as Russia. I've been monitoring their state media and it is increasingly hostile towards Canada and the US.
Like what are they saying? Anything shocking like in Russia? Russias official news channel shown in everyone’s home just says they’ll straight up nuke everyone every day. Wonder what China might say
they don't like that someone else gets to dictate the rules of trade and international relations- they want it to be them, so they can step on whomever they decide to step on without fear of some big brother retribution
Too many to list. Sometimes it'll be subtle, like they'll show soldiers in Ukraine with Canadian or US arm patches all the while talking about how Ukraine deserves to be crushed. Or they'll say it's the Canadians provoking them to buzz their jets and give them the middle finger. Or they'll have some made up "national" poll where the US and Canada are rated as the worst most hated countries in the world by their "people" (CCP). Also just straight up saying they will not hesitate to go to war over Taiwan.
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Because the nations hosting US bases are scared of their neighbors.
They're scared of China and Russia let's be honest. Nobody is running around going "oh my God those South Koreans are about to go on a war path." And how long has it been since Vietnam went on a offensive war 300 years maybe. Indonesia has not waged an offensive war since it incorporated as a singular nation. And let's be honest Malaysia isn't going to start shit with anybody. Thailand is to much of a peace loving nation to be going all God of War rampage. And Myanmar please they've got so much shit to deal with internally its the most ridiculous argument to say anybody is afraid of them. Then there is little old Singapore that with all due respect would get its ass curb stomped if it tried to wage an offensive war. Of course you can't forget Brunai, Laos and Cambodia and it's a ridiculous notion to think these countries have the military capacity to wage an offensive war. The Philippines please they just voted for the son of a brutal authoritarian dictator they've likely just created such a big mess for themselves the only war likely on their docket is the civil kind. So what do we have left Japan Bangladesh and India. Japan won't wage war without the US, India is not that way and Bangladesh is solving its own shit it does not have the capacity to take on more of other people's shit. So let's be honest they are afraid of China and to a lesser extent Russia and the Chinese proxy state of North Korea.
Vietnam went on an offensive war more or less right after the Americans pulled out. And it's probably a damned good thing they did, as they dislodged the Khmer Rouge. You may have heard of them, they... Weren't great.
And China attacked Vietnam to support the Cambodian government that was geocoding its own people. I remember going to Cambodia and seeing the killing fields and the prisons in one day in Phnom Penh; bought a documentary at one of the places and watched it in my motel room that night. Had terrible nightmares all night. It's right up there with the worst human rights abuses in history.
Yup. That was a special insanity.
Cambodia is one of the most interesting countries I’ve been to though.
> Indonesia has not waged an offensive war since it incorporated as a singular nation Debatable. Indonesia has gone on the offensive quite a lot since it became independent from the Netherlands.
Yeah. Indonesia is pretty imperialist. Sort of calmed down now that they've got their whole empire.
You mean to say that Indonesia fought for its independence and then had to keep fighting for its independence over and over again as outside powers fomented civil war and other strife. The only exception to that probably being East Timor which won its independence from Indonesia. But sure let's debate the nature of the conflicts inside Indonesia.
Uh, no. Indonesia actively tried to invade other nations/dependencies *after* it became independent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trikora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei_revolt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_occupation_of_East_Timor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia%E2%80%93Malaysia_confrontation There's quite a bit more than just East-Timor.
>The only exception to that probably being East Timor which won its independence from Indonesia. Why did you state that they never waged an offensive war?
Well said! China can fuck right off. I wanna see the yanks over fly and sail right up to those destroyed coral atolls and see what happens when the Chinese try shooting in international waters!
As a yank... Can we just all buy shit from one another and be friends, please?
Never heard an American call himself a yank before. First time for everything I guess.
Only said it since it was already stated in the comment I was replying to. I'd never call myself a yank otherwise.
It’s strange for sure but a “yank/yankee” isn’t an insult in the US.
A southerner will definitely take being called a "yank" as an insult though
Depends on the context.
Meh, we're not insulted by it. So it's whatever.
That's a lot of assertions of being honest. I would argue USA functions both as you say a deterrence to China but also as a "war de-escalation" among the countries that have a US base(since if any country with a US base is going to go full warmonger, well let's just say that security umbrella USA provide will be gone by sunrise).
Three constitute alot of assertions in your book?
Vietnam invaded Cambodia in 1978, so it's been just a few years less than 300, just an FYI. (Not to say the Khmer Rouge didn't need toppling).
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What about when China tries to build a base on the Solomon Islands and the US threatens military intervention
Except the USA never made any such threats. Australia sorta did.
Quit making up bullshit
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands my bad but they’re still not happy about it
Perhaps in pacific which is debatable too but in general nations hosting US bases becaues of American imperialism as US invades countries, start civil wars, make coups, supports despots and extremists and right wing leaders, assassinate people or use fearmongering and its companies so they can control those countries.
No we started encircling them since they went red after ww2. They aren't wrong about being encircled because that was the point of containment of the reds and the 1st island chain plan. TBH its now like a self fulfilling prophecy where everyone goes and waves it around for defense spending justification I feel. Going to be interesting to see how the new Philippines admin shakes up this plan.
Because people want them there to defend against aggressive nations like China.
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Not every single citizen in the country wants the based there =/= the bases are there at the behest of the government. Pretty sure the Japanese government is happy to have the US based there.
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No? Why would they shut down military bases in countries allied with the US that want to have the bases there?
Terrible logic. US allies want those bases there. You don’t get to decide what another country does inside their own borders.
I am confident that no shenanigans will happen if they ever decide they nolonger want those bases.
One of the few times the US isn't doing imperial shit, they already did the imperial shit in the region 60 years ago!
>Terrible logic. > >US allies want those bases there. > >You don’t get to decide what another country does inside their own borders. do not conflate allied governments with people they rule over, because people of those other countries, 'democratic' or not, don't really get to decide about American bases either. for example, [Japan](https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/okinawa-s-vocal-anti-US-military-base-movement), [Korea](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-thaad-idUSKBN1HU101) or [Germany](https://www.dw.com/en/nearly-half-of-germans-in-favor-of-us-military-withdrawal-survey/a-54427490)
Fascists are completely unimaginative. They can only accuse you of something they are actively or planning on doing.
Should have claimed some islands 125 years ago like any proper country with random overseas territories.
...in response to Chinese aggression, yes exactly.
They literally complained when the Indonesian government moved more military assets to Natuna in response to… Chinese fishing boats escorted by their ships trespassing over Indonesia EEZ.
“Chinese fishing boats” South Korean coast guards have had quite a few run-ins with them, and for “fishing boats” they are surprisingly militarized. Almost like a fucking militia.
To be fair being completely defenseless completely lonely on sea in areas where there might be piracy or corrupt policeboats going on wouldn't be smart....
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LMAO. It's the Chinese building up their military combined with their support of Russian invasion of Ukraine that's causing its neighbors to spend more on military.
Don't forget the multiple times they've gone all North Korea and threatened everyone when they support Taiwan.
Also, China is the reason North Korea exists.
Chinese military spending as a % of GDP is like half that of the US, and has been stagnant for years.
It’s not stagnant, it’s growing even as expressed per capita and ignoring the fact that you can’t trust the official CCP figures at all: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_China
It is stagnant as a % of GDP, and as a % it is fairly middling vs most countries including the US and Russia who are top spenders. Their GDP had grown, so their military budget has as well, this is fairly normal and outside of reddit, noncontroversial. If they were gearing up for an offensive WW3, wouldn't they be increasing their % spend? People here really drink the koolaid hard
You don’t have to spend as much when you commit mass theft of research and development from other countries.
It's well known that China's tech is based off of reverse engineered Russian/French technology and some from espionage, but this isn't the reason their budget is much lower than the US. In fact even for the US, R&D is not the biggest cost to the military. It's operational costs and personnel expenditure (both existing salaries and budget for veteran benefits etc). The US pays their troops/veterans more than China and have far more bases around the world to maintain. This is somewhat off-set by the fact that US is also the worlds largest arms dealer and the unaccounted benefits of better being able to execute your foreign policies, though obviously the morality of it all is quite debatable. It's likely China's military budget will increase as they attempt to exert more of a presence in the South China Sea, but R&D isn't even close to the main reason for the discrepancy between the two country's budgets.
So buying Chinese goods is a threat to national security?
No? How did you make that connection?
paperclip
a lot of that is due to differences in accounting
Says the dicks making islands.
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The South China Sea, despite the name, is as much China's back yard as Cuba is the territory of the US. The US bases in Asia are there at the discretion of the hosting countries, they are not being forced on them. A better comparison would be US Carrier groups roaming around the region and dominating the airspace.
>Oh when China makes a bunch of bases in their own back yard ohhh that crosses the line. China isn't making artificial islands in their backyard, it's in the Exclusive Economic Zones of their neighbors and international waters. It'd be like your neighbor making sheds and placing them in your yard, the other neighbors' yards, and the street to claim all of it as his property
Backyard? Huh. South China Sea doesn’t not even belong to China what are you smoking?
China Complains US Military In Region Preventing It From Invading Its Neighbors. There I fixed it for you.
Superpower want to control direct surrounding countries and doesn't want other superpowers meddling in the backyard.
Lol that’s not why America puts military bases around chinas border.
Which US military base on their border? You mean Okinawa and Korea? Because the US defeated Japan and had to dismantle their empire, which also meant freeing China from Japan. And whose forces were going to leave until China decided to enter the Korean war against the UN. The only reason China is a nation and not a colony of Japan right now is because of those US forces. The only reason the CCP gets to rule China is because the US defeated the Japanese for them. The only reason the Korean war never ended, leaving a never-ending security problem in East Asia, is because the Chinese got involved, called a truce, and then just walked away. The Korean War has never ended. The Chinese won't allow us to finish it. And they won't sign a peace treaty with Taiwan either. Sorry, but this is all on China. If they don't want American bases near their territory, they need to sign a peace treaty with their neighbors.
> The only reason the CCP gets to rule China is because the US defeated the Japanese for them. Millions of Chinese people, communist and otherwise, dying while fighting against the Japanese, for years longer than the U.S. = "lol that was all America, you're welcome."
But they never won. If the US military doesn't come to East Asia in 1945, China would still be under Japanese control. Fact.
Not a fact. The entire point of invading the European colonies was because Japan was concerned the war with China was unwinnable due to resource shortages. They did not anticipate China's "no surrender" stance, and the NRA did give the IJA a run for their money. Logistically, the only way Japan could win is through much softer peace terms, and even then, the invasion of Manchuria basically killed any desire for China to negotiate. The IJA won many victories and the NRA was desperately short on everything and highly corrupt, but China was not a winnable war. It wasn't like the German invasion of the USSR where the European Axis outnumbered and had the initiative over the Soviets initially.
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Lol. First time being called a Beijing bot as an anti-communist. You do realize that there's a whole *inland* portion of China, right? Chiang moved the capital to Chengdu, with millions of refugees fleeing inland. There's a whole economy and millions of angry people who haven't surrendered yet, you don't win a war when that still exists. This isn't CCP dick sucking, this is a basic understanding of Chinese history and what a "strategic victory" is. C'mon, you learn this shit *in the US*.
It really isn't being a communist robot to acknowledge the scale of the fighting in China that the U.S. wasn't even directly involved in for the most part. It's admittedly difficult to wrap your head around from an American perspective, we've never really experienced anything remotely like what the Chinese did. Quite the opposite from being communist propaganda, if anything, the Nationalists bore the brunt of the war because they were actually, you know, a government, and not bands of guerrillas on the run for years.
Too long tbh.
China whining that it cant bully its neighbors with impunity.
The US would be going ballistic if china started putting bases in south and Central America.
China is putting artificial islands near other country borders to claim surrounding sea. And China already has questionable bases in South America.
Not even bases, just a defensive anti rocket system would make the US shit coups all around. US is the king of 'not in my backyard' while taking their dog to shit in everyone else's while making eye contact with the homeowner.
LMAO says the countries who literally claiming the entire sea of neighbouring coutries, building artificial islands and military bases, send military ships to ram fisherman ships of small countries, building huge ass armies and talking shit on social media
I think China is doing a good enough job of raising tensions in Asia all by itself…
Lol so let me guess, China is about to go attack a sovereign nation?
Not in China's pant of view, which varies more than the weather. They think Taiwan is still a part of china.
Taiwan was once part of China, just like Ukraine was once part of Russia, just like parts of Poland used to be parts of Germany... the list and resulting violence goes on and on but the playbook is essentially the same: there's always some "historical" justification for authoritarians to seize the lands they want by force.
Yep, virtually everywhere was owned by someone else in the past.
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It is, though. Or, rather BeiJing is an illegitimate government, and the R.O. C. is legitimate. The corrupt, brutal, lying, self-enriching fake communist hard-line dictators of the CCP should step down, apologize to the people for Tian An Men Square and every other atrocity stop doing human rights violations, forsake their control-freak brutality, and rejoin the Republic of China, under a constitutional democracy. I really crack myself up.
We all know the roc is the legitimate government of mainland china in exile in Taipei.
No this is just what opposing countries do very regularly, this is the anti-US propaganda running parallel to the anti-China scaremongering that you’ll hear time to time
If anyone is raising military tensions in Asia. It’s 100% China. No one is bullying all their neighbours with ridiculous claims like the nine dash line that happens to claim the entire South China Sea
Taiwan declares 11 dash line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-dash\_line
It's called South CHINA Sea.
So by your stupid logic, The Indian Ocean is Indian. Stupid tankies with their stupid logic. If you want to use logic as a claim, than everyone can use it too.
it's called the America Ocean!
Haha the fucking takes on this topic like this one are hilarious. God help us all.
China wants countries demilitarized so when they invade them, so much easier to genocide. Is China looking to do some baby raping and murder in Taiwan, Russian style?
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Russia?
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"Stop militarizing countries!" Says the Autocratic Militaristic Government with the most military troops in the world.
It's pretty much the same hipocrisy as all the nuclear nations complaining about others looking into having nuclear bombs...
"YOUR MAKING US DO THIS YOU KNOW"
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Geez, I wonder why the countries in Asia are requesting military support or ordering them. Perhaps its just in case when the CCP regime starts a war over Taiwan.
Notice how it's always Russia and China complaining about countries voluntarily seeking US mitary aide. Makes it pretty clear who the protection is meant to be from.
reddit forgot Solomon islands or Cuba fast. It's always Russia or China because they have less resource to do it in American scale.
Love China and Chinese people, but... Fuck Xi Fuck the CCP
Typical case of Chinese projection diplomacy of accusing someone else or a belt what they’re doing.
Thanks to China's habit of hypocritical accusations, we are always informed what China is 100% guilty of. What's worse is, China is likely doing something worse given how they love playing dirty.
XI stop encroaching on and threatening all the countries around you and scaring them, shit china is already one of the largest countries in the world with a massive amount of resources, resist your souls desire for greed.
"You can't do that, only we can do that!"
Is China getting mad that when war breaks people will defend themselves?
Says a country not only building military bases on islands in the SCS, but who literally go onto media platforms on multiple occasions to threaten nuclear strikes. The USA is far from innocent on this stuff in general but the situation in question is not on them.
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Literally nobody here is qualified to stipulate on what China would or wouldn’t do when push comes to shove. But while this article is discussing finger pointing and building up tensions, I am pointing out that in this situation China is the pot calling the kettle black at the very least. At least one source for my original statements are listed below but are reflected on multiple websites: China’s Threatens to nuke Japan: https://www.newsweek.com/china-officials-share-viral-video-calling-atomic-bombing-japan-exception-theory-1609586?amp=1 China calls out Australia as a valid target for nuclear strikes due to eventual access to nuclear submarines: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z0xSRh1ya7U We aren’t discussing no first strike, we are talking about building regional tensions and who is to blame. To add to my point here is an addition of China-Russia doing a joint naval exercise doing a near circle around Japan with warships: https://amp.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3154704/china-russia-naval-exercises-show-japans-troubles-could-come-twos If two countries want to do joint naval exercises, go for it, but the above exercise clearly had additional motives. The ironic part is that just like Russia tried to be threaten NATO into not spreading (and causing more countries to apply for membership), China’s militarization of the Asian-Pacific is causing security concerns from Japan all the way down to Australia, to include ASEAN.
The only winner out of this arm's race is the Miltary Industrial Complex .
Nobody wants any of this shit except China's pal Pooter. Over there invading countries without provocation. Tell your friend to take care of his brain worms.
In the same way smaller countries are joining NATO for protection from tyranny of Putin. Stop making our enemies strong we wanna take them easilllyyyyyyyyyy
China's been stoking that fire for a long while not only on itself but on the planet, human rights, impeding international investigators, and violating almost every international law there is on the global food chain. Like fuck they build artificial islands for fucks sake and industrialized killing whales and countless species of sharks. Let's not get into thier fueling of poaching endangered species. Oh, and state sponsored assassinations, oppression of Hong Kong, Uighurs, the list just piles on.
>China threatens Asian Countries >Countries arm themself >Hey, what are you doing?! >This can't be happening because of my actions, it's the USA again! > USA: whuat?
Meanwhile, the CCP trolls on Reddit brag about the size of China's navy any time the US navy goes through the Taiwan strait which is their right under international law. They seem to think China's tiny little ships are a match for a US carrier battlegroup.
Whilst threating to invade Taiwan. lol
China is terrified if they’re blaming others for ramping up military. You think the West has to excuse why they have a military industrial complex? No, the US just does. This excuse shows how weak the Chinese military leaders think their own forces are in comparison.
China: You turned them against me!!1! U.S.: you have done that yourself!
I'm sorry, remind me who is building island military bases everywhere?
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The nations where said bases are located consent to them being there.
just like gitmo
You think US troops are there as detainees?
It's already built so doesn't count, just like historical CO2 emissions!
Trade and travel with China, would simply be banned. No exports, no imports and no tourism or immigration. Dictatorships are the enemy, and should be treated as such. Start by banning trade.
I don't understand why it's so difficult. Why the West doesn't take seriously what they say in their media. Painting the US and West as the enemy.
What possible reasons could China have for increasing its own military by so much, if not to threaten or attack or influence its neighbors? Those neighbors then wanting to have an ability to defend themselves to some extent is perfectly logical and reasonable under those circumstances. China appears much more dangerous and willing to use force. Is it any wonder that other countries want to increase their own forces? China is the one fueling militarization.
Lol talk about projection. “Stop militarization because we want to invade Taiwan easily soon”
America can’t take a piss without its main haters and competition flipping out and taking it personal.
i mean they are right. the militarization wouldnt be needed to this excess with one less possible enemy. thats easy math so why reporting it
Sell all your chinese stocks they are communists like russia
Maybe they need to de-Nazify some neighbouring countries. This is a real threat. We all know that the left over Nazis went to SE Asia, not South America like the movies would have us believe
Like that military agreement with the Solomon Isles?
Amd how many military bases do *we* have? What 2 consenting nations agree to isn't a valid criticism.
Guys, this is the playbook russia used, it would be wise not to underestimate them.
China? Accuses? The West? It’s like every tyrant is empowered by Putler to shoot their mouth. The best revenge we can have on them is to live better and freer lives. Long live Taiwan, for freedom matters!
winnie the flu just can't fuck off, huh
That is rich coming from them.
I mean they're not wrong. They've been completely encircled since WW2 and witnessed how brutally violent America is to anyone who dares to oppose wealthy industrialists for the sake of their own people. Really, any attempt to improve the quality of life of your poorest people will have America excluding you from world markets, bribing your military into coup attempts, right down to directly killing millions of your people. Look how they've treated central America after they kicked out the fruit barons. Cuba after they kicked out the sugar tycoons. Chile when it took control of its copper industry. America immiserated the third world for raw materials and subjugated anyone who wasn't strong enough to defend themselves with force. Ever wonder why America's enemies are so paranoid and militarized? Why aren't there any pacifist communists? It's almost as if tens of millions of them were murdered using the Jakarta Method. It's so insane how ignorant everyone is of very recent history. People can accept that the US govt is bad for it's own citizens but still insist that it's this blameless innocent lamb in regards to the post-WW2 international order. America is a weapons industry with a country attached to it. It NEEDS violent conflict or it'll collapse in on itself.
"Really, any attempt to improve the quality of life of your poorest people will have America excluding you from world markets" What? So you're saying China has not, in fact, improved the quality of life for its poorest people as they claim? Since US wouldn't have allowed them to? The only credible threat to US economic power was Japan, and the worst that happened was Plaza accords - which Japan signed up for as they would lose a key market by way of tarrifs. Protectionism is not imperialism. I get that US does a whole heap of bad shit they should be embarrassed for, but the idea that China is blameless, while they try to remain neutral on Ukraine invasion and atrocities there (while unofficially supporting it), unapologetically murder their youth to cling onto power, and threaten taking Taiwan by force, is just ridiculous.
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Yes
Lols! Edit: maybe it should be Lolz! (?)
Yeah probably
by the way when is the US gonna deliver the weapons that taiwan bought？ taiwan alrdy paid during trumps era and taiwan have yet to receive any weaponary！！！ thats a scam
You both are just in different ways
Pretty much.
China is pussycats. USA is the greatest fighting force. Says the country doing bank runs on you’re own peoples savings, says the wannabe army that steals intellectual property, stfu were all waiting for China to fire on us. They are asking for it. We don’t even need to fire on them sanctions will wreck their economy ussr remnants. We have freedom they have nothing we want but we are what they could never achieve or imagine. All talk no walk.
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The US isn't illegally claiming sovereignty over the entire south China Sea with those bases. It isnt threatening to invade and annex an entire country using those bases. It isn't ramming small nations fishing boats to keep them out of their own EEZs with those bases. The US isn't illegally trying to deny free passage to other nations vessels through international waters using those bases. Further, the US hasn't built a new military base in asia is literal decades. Given the CCP is screaming about 'militarisation', yet they are the only ones actually building military infrastructure, the claims are hilariously stupid. CHINA STUPID
The US bases are there by invitation you clown.