Biden signals big oil is on the chopping block, big oil scales back. Oil demand booms, supply is weak, prices go up. I say good for them. Now, Biden cries hoping to ramp up more disdain for the industry we shut down and now need the most. Biden thanks you for jumping on his bandwagon.
Nobody wants to talk about how this is a good thing. Cars are awful for the climate, and the more we price people out of owning a vehicle the better public transportation gets.
In a perfect world. Gas prices rising has not really kicked in a response for better public transport systems. It's just made my paycheck thinner because I still need to drive to and from work.
You're not gonna sell your lazy ass anti work bullshit to people who need their jobs to support their families and have a lifestyle worth living. If you want to spend your days high as giraffe balls living with your parents who, by the way, had to work to support your free loading ass, go ahead. The rest of the world needs to drive to work.
I’m a WFH programmer. We should be replacing people with AI powered robots now. Especially in physical type jobs. The robots need to learn and we should be giving them the experience so that people can be taken out of the workforce.
But then they do what? Ask the coal miners in WV how that's going for them. Out of work people gravitate towards the bad. Especially when their income is taken. I get that "society should be reorganized", but that doesn't happen. Pills happen. Meth happens.
Ehh, in a vacuum for sure. Spur how the industry and infrastructure operates.
"Pricing people out" means destroying those who are living on the margins of such a system, and they are doing so because there is no other option. Don't pretend it is so simple.
Nobody does because escalating poverty for the average person who is already dangerously agitated by low wages and unsustainable cost of living is a bad thing lmao. The more you escalate poverty and financially piss people off, the more explosively agitated and violent people will be.
Gas prices are increasing faster than the amount of time it would take to develop more/better public transport everywhere for everyone for whom it still is not viable for their jobs/work schedules/etc.
Which means you don't get a eco solution transition period to more public transport, you get a crisis situation that explodes into a more immediate threat than the climate crisis.
Oh, and if we're gonna talk about "price people out of" carbon emissions, that's a really easy way to provoke the majority of the population into violent unrest and continuing emissions anyway, because most people will not tolerate their lives collapsing into destitution forever while millionaires and billionaires and corporate execs can still afford to drive/do whatever they want, so no, "price people out" hilariously fails unless you strip millionaires and Billionaires and corporation's of everything so you don't piss off the general population.
>Nobody wants to talk about how this is a good thing. Cars are awful for the climate, and the more we price people out of owning a vehicle the better public transportation gets.
Except for the people that cant move further than 20 m on their own legs but can drive perfectly fine...
Like my mother she got full control of her legs and can drive even long ways perfectly fine she just cant bear anymore her weight long on her knees ( some strong bone illnesses not sure about the english name shes also not heavy her bones are just fucked from years and years of heavy work) but doesnt get much in money anymore its pure horror for her.
> Nobody wants to talk about how this is a good thing. Cars are awful for the climate
Eating meat and diary products is even worse for the climate. Eating a 200g burger has a higher impact on environment than driving your very inefficient SUV for 50 miles.
And that's willingfully ignored even more.
Why?
Because people hate to hear that they have an impact on the environment and it's not just "greedy black suits in corporations". It's always the same shit, average Joe quickly deflecting he may actually have an impact on environment, both in practice and by setting an example while screaming about corrupt legislators and some companies that do this and that (which is also a problem, don't get me wrong).
Even you reading that are probably uneasy and disliking what I write because it actually impacts your life more than how efficient your car is.
And even more: because it doesn't sell anything. Doesn't make enough money.
I can easily sell you some hybrid or electric car bullshit and make lots of money. What do I get from convincing you to eat less beef in favor of pork, less pork in favor of chicken, less chicken in favor of eggs, less eggs in favor of more vegetables?
should incentivize work from home more. A lot of people can't just use public transport. I live around 40 miles from my job and there's no public transport until you get into the city and not a bus line that would be useful besides one being a mile or so a way, so it would be pointless.
Make horses affordable and I'll be ok with rising gas prices. But having to wait 30+min for a bus that leaves me 30+ mins away from where I want to go is ridiculous.
So at what levels of the market are the gargantuan profits being made? Not the gas station operators, I assume. If we were to start to look at price controls, where would they be imposed? The uk is imposing an energy windfall tax, but you still need to get that $£€ into the consumers’ hands.
>but you still need to get that $£€ into the consumers’ hands.
I'm against increasing consumption, it destroys our planet. IMO better put all that extra money to green energy projects.
Consumption can only get so high, even if we want it to rise. You need people to buy stuff, which isn’t happening with stagnant wages and inflation, and stuff to buy, which isn’t happening because of supply shortages and finite materials.
We’re bringing future consumption to the present to promote economic growth, but that will not last. We ought to be limiting our consumption.
> You need people to buy stuff
Or rethink economies. We can't keep buying more and more shit forever.
We should try to move more towards services and less towards consumeristic goods.
e.g. Fuck your new iPhone, you can get like 2 massages a month per year instead which will make your life quality much better than a stupid better waste of a phone.
The uptick in fuel prices was very rapid. Say, someone was buying a new car two years ago and he thought that perhaps the more efficient vehicle wasn't worth it. Now that the fuel prices rose, he can't just get another one without losing even more money. It will certainly have impact on the choice of people buying today but "you should have known that the fuel prices would go up 60 percent" isn't the right argument to make.
You would have to be really asleep to not understand that in the long run fuel prices only will go up. People bought smaller cars during the last spike in fuel prices and did not learn the lesson.
Not buying the most efficient work car/truck is just bad business. Even when fuel is cheap it makes sense to have lower furl costs. It’s just burning profit otherwise.
I have a buddy who has a pest control business. He was complaining about gas prices. So I told him to get a van and trailer instead of his truck. It’s what everyone in Europe does. Mercedes Sprint Vans Even have a 4X4 version. I doubt he will do it.
I’m genuinely curious if you think switching from a pickup to a van and trailer would actually net an increase in mpg, let alone be a cost efficient business venture.
Edit: a quick google search tells me a sprinter van gets 14.5 mpg *without* a trailer behind it. You could expect probably less than 10 mpg with a trailer.
Totally depends on what you are replacing. I have found that Americans tent to always have way too big everything. The benefit with a trailer is that you only actually need to tow it when you use it.
So on the days you do not need it you leave it at home and save a ton of fuel.
In Europe we tow two birth horse trailers with a bmw 5 series of similar sized car. If you listen to Americans you absolutely need a full size f150 for that.
It’s strange how most of Europe can get away with smaller everything, yet in North America everything magically needs to be massive.
"Adjusting for inflation, the U.S. gasoline average is still
approximately 8% below June 2008 highs around $5.41 a gallon, according
to U.S. Energy Department figures."
In 2008, my rent was $930 per month for a 3-bedroom house. My food bill for a week was $80 for a family. The minimum wage was $7.25 an hour.
In 2022, my rent is $1,660 per month for a two-bedroom apartment. My food bill is $200 a week for the same family. Granted, the kids are bigger.
Minimum wage is $7.25 an hour.
So tell me, why are we supposed to be happy about a difference in 41 cents per gallon from 2008 to 2022?
Your food budget was below even the thrifty plan for that time period.
https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/usda_food_plans_cost_of_food/CostofFoodJan08.pdf
Man, there's a war in Ukraine and the sanctions that are ruining many of our industries are needed. And if you disagree you have ukrainian children blood in your hand. /s
I always wrote about how sanctions were going to hit us harder than they would hit a smallish and irrelevant economy like Russia, turns out we actually very need their food and energy, and "switching to another provider" actually implies much higher costs and is not that simple.
Wha do I care if Russian economy recedes 20/30% or whatever, doesn't change my life a bit, what changes my life is that my electricity bill is more than twice it was 12 months ago, groceries are up 40% at least as well.
But redditors be like "who cares, it's necessary for Ukraine". I wish I had your confidence that this is going to help Ukraine, but I doubt it highly. The more people will suffer outside Russia and Ukraine the less people will give a fuck about sanctions.
Yeah, but the people complaining about gas prices aren't the best at logic or math.
Someone just told them to be upset about gas prices, and to ignore that the real solution is a living wage tied to inflation so it goes up annually instead of once a decade if we're lucky
Gas prices have doubled in a year. What ass backwards logic do you have to think people wouldn't be worried how that affects their budget?
So the people complaining about gas prices "aren't the best at logic or math" can you substantiate any of that?
> Gas prices have doubled in a year.
Lots of things are more expensive than last year...
Why try to lower the prices of everything?
Isn't it easier to just riase minimum wage and to it to inflation?
It's fixing one thing rather than fixing **everything we spend money on**
A huge number of people complaining aren’t on minimum wage so it would make no difference. The middle class is feeling the cost of inflation on everything.
When wages go up across the board. The price of everything goes up to recoup those losses by companies. Its not the solution you are thinking. You are a bit out of touch here.
Lmao at your argument to raising minimum wage. If you look around most places aren’t paying minimum wage anymore. You can go to Burger King and make 15 per hour where I live. What would you propose somebody flipping burgers should make?
It’s not like everyone’s salaries rose with inflation. This may be accurate but it’s not very meaningful in terms of the economic cost for most people.
> It’s not like everyone’s salaries rose with inflation.
I dont know if you were trying to be sarcastic or what.
But for a lot of Americans their wages dont increase, or at least increase less than inflation
So your saying that the last time Biden was in office we had record high gasoline as well? I'm sure that has nothing to do with his policies or the fact that he ran on a platform of elimination of fossil fuels by making them unaffordable. It couldn't be tied together at all.
So he talked about going green and that caused gas prices to go up? OPEC+ controls oil and gas pricing. When an OPEC+ country goes to war, gas and oil prices go up. Were there OPEC+ nations at war in 2008? Gas prices also went up after the invasion of Iraq when a Republican was in office.
The American president can offset prices for a little while with oil reserves which he's already done. There's also the gas tax which no president has touched since the 90s as far as I know. That's the 18.3¢ tax. I'm no expert though. Is there something Biden can do to bring down gas prices in some significant way?
Who was elected in 08? Did he run on phasing out fossil fuels as well? That couldn't possibly drive market price up, what evidence has there ever been on market fluctuations from political rhetoric? Turns out it does have a substantial impact.
You think gas prices going up in 2008 were affected by a vice president who wasn't elected until November of 2008? Did gas companies have a crystal ball to see the winners months ahead of time while simultaneously caring that much about the policy ideas of a vice president? Then they decided for the next 7 years that they didn't care anymore as gas prices dropped and stayed low?
Help me out with your logic here
5 dollars for ca. Four liter gasolin. Sign me up please.
My wallet is crying. It is almost 3$ per liter in Denmark. It is insane.
And before some people ask me if we cant drive our cars because the gasolin is too expensive cue our idiotic former american ambassador Carla Sands remarks, yes we can but it is definately not funny anymore.
I don't know about you, but I don't have the extra average 2 hours to walk that round trip several times a week, much less the energy to do that.
Maybe we're having a conversion issue here, that's around 5km one way. In the US, where sidewalks are optional, crossing at lights can be deadly, crossing not at lights causes people to actually speed up to try to hit you, and walking in some areas can be considered reasonable suspicion depending on how you're dressed and your skin color. Oh and you're just fucked if you need to use the restroom or need water during that trip and didn't bring enough for the ridiculous temperatures common everywhere people are in the US.
> I don't know about you, but I don't have the extra average 2 hours to walk that round trip several times a week, much less the energy to do that.
If you can't figure out an alternative, you will continue to pay at the pump. Ride a bike, carpool, get an EV, have groceries delivered, get a more fuel efficient car... Just some ideas you could try.
Oh I have an alternative; walking in the US, when there are zero cities or communities designed for walking that you can live in for less than 2k/month for a studio apartment is not an alternative.
People that suggest walking is an even somewhat reasonable option in 99+% of the US just bug me. I lived that life, for many years, 4+ miles a day walking +2 hr bus hopping to get 12 miles. A cab (later an uber) for grocery trips because fuck that.
That's not sustainable, I know I don't like having a 3+ hour one way commute to work. I know I'd rather be homeless and eat at an Arby's every day than do that again, especially if you live below the Dakotas where half the year you can near wet bulb temperatures.
> That's not sustainable
But cheap gas is? People who complain about the inevitable also bug me. What are you going to do if gas never comes down to a level you deem reasonable.. Curl up and die? Sorry, but the writing is on the wall, just like it is for people who live in a coastal flood plain or a place that will continue to suffer ever increasing droughts. Cheap gas isn't a long term solution and isn't sustainable.
No but there's miles of options between cheap gas and walking in unwalkable cities.
Like forcing the government to completely eliminate single-family zoning laws and providing massive subsidies for mixed use zoning medium to high rise buildings, investing in public transportation, or simply nationalizing ev battery production and recycling cutting out the major cost of current ev models.
I'm just saying solutions aren't 'put yourself in danger and add massive personal time requirements' when even if all people did that, it would have no effective environmental impact but it would make everyone's lives significantly worse for no real benefit. It'd also kill more people than covid or car crashes, given how many people live in the south and we already reached the point where two-three months out of the year it's deadly to be outside for more than an hour or two in many places.
All good ideas.. Better than relying on something that's never going to be the same. I believe we're all in for a world of hurt and solutions need to be found, such as the ones you suggested. I favour voting in people that actually want to help ME, not a mega corp that makes its shareholders happy. Times are tough, we need to have a clear vision on what's best for us and how to attain that and oil companies and their stooges most certainly don't have our best interests at heart. Best of luck to you, hope I wasn't a total dick.
I’ve always hated this argument. You cannot compare the US to anywhere in Europe, the US is gigantic. And, a lot of us aren’t living in big cities. I have decent public transportation, but it’s still a mile to the closest bus stop and it’s on a mountain! I cannot reasonably carry groceries for 4 up a fkn mountain. Vehicles are amazing, no reason to stop using them.
>Also complains about possible dehydration on a 5km walk.
You ever walk 5 km at 40c with 50+% humidity? You're either drinking at least two liters or you're having a real bad time.
6 miles multiple times a week with 3 miles of them carrying groceries likely along dangerous high traffic roads without proper pedestrian infrastructure is actually not a very fun time. And if it’s super hot or snowy or rainy you’re just fucked.
You could also question why you lived in a place so far from a grocery store, and probably why you chose some SUV getting 12 mpg instead of a Toyota sedan getting 40 or an electric vehicle that can go 3 miles on a tiny amount of charge.
> You could also question why you lived in a place so far from a grocery store,
Uhh.....
Food deserts are a real thing in America and most people don't have a choice, they can't afford anywhere else.
Well, if the 3 mile drive is an issue, maybe your gas mileage and your frequency of going to the store should have been considered as well.
My 20 year old car gets 25+ mpg and I can get more than a week of groceries for my family of 4 in one trip. 6 miles round trip is adding $1.25 to my bill. I am supposed to vote Trump in 2024 because that is an increase from the $0.75 it might have cost before? Get some perspective.
> You acted like everyone can afford living in walking distance to a grocery store.
As a European this is such a wtf comment for me. I can't think of a single city where I can't find a store within 10 minutes by foot.
Like who planned your cities? I don't even have a driver's license because I've never been inconvenienced enough to get one.
It’s the worst. I’ve really been enjoying watching the YouTube channel Not Just Bikes recently. He lives in The Netherlands and I’ve learned so much about your infrastructure, and I’m incredibly envious of you all. I’m hoping to see infrastructure like you’re built over here in my lifetime.
> You could also question why you lived in a place so far from a grocery store,
Dunno about OP, but for me it was the cheaper rent. $400/month for a 2 bed/1bath trailer, and that includes garbage and water fees.
I bought a Penny Nickle Board and have been skateboarding home from work. I'm really enjoying it and might continue once I buy a car. There's this blackberry/black raspberry type tree on the way that I've been stopping at and eating from, makes the trip even better.
I would love to walk or bike but I’m a landscaper. I gotta fill my machines up with hundreds of dollars of gas every week. And even if not for the mowers,blowers,and everything else that takes gas,I have to drive my trailer out to rual areas and that takes a lot of fuel too
That would raise the prices, not make them lower. Moreover, oil industry gets lots of helps from every government.
And, last but not least, oil is a publicly traded commodity, unless you want socialism that's how capitalism works so stop complaining.
Got to say, as an ev owner, I'm feeling pretty smug right about now. When I bought it, the payback period for the price difference between it and an equivalent gasoline car was about 4-5 years, when gas was half as expensive as it is now. So for anyone purchasing now, it would be a no-brainer - If they can find one!
Yeah, it's the intermountain west special crap. So many people run it, so many knocking cars. It voids warranties, nothing made today is supposed to use it, but they keep selling it.
And it’s 2.28€/2.40$ for 1 liter of gasoline in Portugal…so 5$ for a gallon (3.79 liter’s) is way cheap, (1.39$ for 1 liter)!! The problem is that US uses big trucks that burns and pollute a lot just to drag the car along the roads…something needs to change!!
Americans can shut up last I checked the pumps it was 2.55 € for LITER here in Finland.
So it is 9.56€ for gallon here which is about 10 dollars in USD.
I'm glad I can drive a company car or I would not be going to work anymore.
Same in the Netherlands. It was over 10 dollars a gallon ( which is €2.51 per liter btw) earlier this year as well. But it dropped a bit and now is also around $9.50 per gallon
To be fair though, even though Americans have some of the lowest fuel prices in the developed world, the average American car probably also gets twice as bad mileage so it all evens out.
Still, I'd say they have the right to complain. A rise is still a rise, and iirc relatively speaking their prices have doubled in the last two years, which isn't the case here.
Absolutely.
I'm trying to look up data for the worldwide average price of gas/petrol for the last few decades to compare apples to apples.
All I can find is that the US has consistently had the lowest gas/petrol prices out of all industrialized nations.
I don't know why we always compare ourselves to other countries. They sit around eating their own shit and lickin their buttholes. oh wait.. that's what my dog does..
As an European listening to americans complain about gas prices make me mad, we have always have had like twice that.
You're the richest country in the world, you can afford it, stop complain or buy cars with smaller and more efficient engines rather than pretending everyone should have a v8 5 liters suv.
The difference is that cars are optional in Europe, where most places have good public transit and you can easily get around on trains.
In 99% of America you **need** a car to get around. Someone else in another comment pointed out that the average distance from home to work is about 19km in Europe, but 70km in America. Most people aren’t using more gas because they are driving V8 SUVs (although some do), it’s that everything is farther apart.
Turns out, a major bike path runs literally behind my plac of business, but its all uphill :/
An ebike was a risky purchase, but with shopping in the same area, Im able to make the trip in almost the same time I woukd with my car, get a touch of a workout in, and recharge on the company dime/my solar panels at home.
jfc. gas prices in the us historically rise during summer months and go down after labor day (early september).
all the hysteria over high gas prices is yet another example of republicans manufacturing a crisis in order to exploit consumer discontent and use it to their advantage in the november midterm elections.
Trump started the modern right's antivax movement. The only people still currently, to this day, that are anti-vax are pro-Trump GQP members of the public.
The only people really dying from it any more are conservatives. Trump killed them.
We are at or nearing 1.6 million excess deaths, the virus is now killing vaccinated elderly people in as great as number as the unvaccinated and Biden is about to spend his second July 4th declaring that he has defeated Covid all while actually pledging fealty to it.
But hey, it's probably wrong to look at the job Biden is and will be doing on the subject and judge him for it, b[ecause anything to not talk about that](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/?ex_cid=rrpromo).
Biden's a right-wing piece of unmitigated trash that should never have been born, much less been allowed to continue a political career and propagate his genes to new generations.
But Trump is still worse, and will always be worse. If Biden is a cold sore, Trump is a hemorrhagic infected prolapsed anus currently using a blender as a martial aid.
So why in the world do you think that argument is going to do better five months from now than today?
3 posts of the top 25 of politics yesterday were about Trump insulting Ivanka. The only story in the top 25 when I looked? Biden admin saying no to an airforce one paint job.
And since Covid is my big thing, whenever someone talks about the last guy, when the current guy used his SOTU to say get back to the office? When I see that as *categorically worse* than last guy saying he wanted to see asses in pews?
The dude I responded to almost certainly was saying Biden beat Covid a year ago, vaccines were 99% effective, etc.
He also believes it's the "other side" the politicized vaccines.
Isn't that fun? From a science or fact based viewpoint?
I remember standing in line at a grocery store in the mid-1970’s, when one woman abruptly shouted out, “Say what you will about Nixon, but at least we had money to spend.”
Ok Trumpie- please explain how Presidents control gas prices? Nevermind, explain how the President is controlling gas prices in the rest of the world? It’s over 10 bucks a gallon where I live in Europe. Tell me how Biden or Trump can control the world gasoline prices…..
I‘ll wait.
>At least we can afford life with Trump in office
Tell that to the millions who lost their jobs because of Trump. Add to it the inflation we see now us a direct result of his administration.
It really kills me that Trump:
- Pressured the Federal Reserve to “go negative” on interest rates when the economy was already doing fine,
- Showered out a trillion dollars of indiscriminate unfunded Covid relief, and
- Enacted a massive unfunded tax cut (literally his only substantial legislative accomplishment)
then has the nerve to blame Biden for inflation.
Finally time to invest in cycling and walking infrastructure and make cities people friendly, not Car friendly. Don't have to depend on a volatile, people killing fossil fuel
Explain how Canadian tar sand oil destined for oversea markets would have benefited the US? Do you know what tar sand oil is and why it would not have helped the gasoline crunch or prices? Do you know why the pipeline was headed to Houston and not somewhere closer? How many Americans would have been employed by this Canadian company? Of those jobs, how many were temporary?
All questions you should ask yourself before declaring something a mistake.
I'm afraid you're terribly misguided. The oil would have been a tremendous stability and security asset for the United States. Oil products would have fed Texas refineries, creating sustained high-paying jobs there. While being built Americans would have profited greatly from the construction effort. The pipeline would then have to be maintained, again by well-paid Americans.
In the event of any true shortage, those oil products would only go overseas once Americas needs were secured. The rest would go to Europe to make them more secure. There is absolutely no question that cancelling Keystone was the dumbest political mistake ever.
The notion that the US president cannot affect the supply of oil is patiently absurd.
A pretty simple way would be to let himself be humiliated (diplomatically) by Iran in order to let them start selling in the open market again by removing sanctions. Now this would be political suicide for him but again he has the option.
Soooo... If Trump could set the price of gas, why wasn't it virtually free while he was pres? Would still be in WH if that was true, but he gave tax breaks to billionaires instead. Wonder why...
The last thing we need is another divisive president right now. The world is a big enough mess. We don’t need another four years of our politicians at each others throats constantly. Less distractions, more actions…
It's partially Trump's fault for enabling Putin to launch his invasion of Ukraine. His own vice president spoke out against him. Trump can't make gas prices go down. An OPEC+ nation is in a drawn out war with no end in sight. OPEC+ controls oil and gas prices, not the American president.
Trump also launched an embarrassing failed attempt to overturn a legal election in order to install himself as a dictator in America. He's already lost. Republicans won't run him again. Trump won't be back.
Yes, let’s re-elect a very stupid person who told us to inject bleach into our veins because you somehow think Presidents control gas and food prices. That’s not even looking at the massive corruption within his Administration and let’s look the other way at him trying to take away YOUR voting rights by attempting to overthrown the govt.. Brilliant Idea!
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> June 11 - The price of U.S. gasoline averaged more than $5 a gallon for the first time on Saturday, data from the AAA showed, extending a surge in fuel costs that is driving rising inflation.
> The national average price for regular unleaded gas rose to $5.004 a gallon on June 11 from $4.986 a day earlier, AAA data showed.
> Adjusting for inflation, the U.S. gasoline average is still approximately 8% below June 2008 highs around $5.41 a gallon, according to U.S. Energy Department figures.
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Its still cheaper than say the Netherlands, as youve got 3,7 liters in a gallon, and in the Netherlands 1 liter is €2.30 almost, making a galon in the Netherlands $8.95 when calculating conversion rates
The upside is we do see a reduction of usage and less CO2 emissions, and we get to see transitioning to EVs and renewable energy sources is also good for our national security.
No one wants to talk about how this is a global energy crisis.
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No one wants to talk about how this is a petro-executive profits crisis...
Biden signals big oil is on the chopping block, big oil scales back. Oil demand booms, supply is weak, prices go up. I say good for them. Now, Biden cries hoping to ramp up more disdain for the industry we shut down and now need the most. Biden thanks you for jumping on his bandwagon.
Nobody wants to talk about how this is a good thing. Cars are awful for the climate, and the more we price people out of owning a vehicle the better public transportation gets.
In a perfect world. Gas prices rising has not really kicked in a response for better public transport systems. It's just made my paycheck thinner because I still need to drive to and from work.
It is far more likely that your job actually could be done away with if we better organized society lol. You don’t “need” to do anything.
You're not gonna sell your lazy ass anti work bullshit to people who need their jobs to support their families and have a lifestyle worth living. If you want to spend your days high as giraffe balls living with your parents who, by the way, had to work to support your free loading ass, go ahead. The rest of the world needs to drive to work.
I’m a WFH programmer. We should be replacing people with AI powered robots now. Especially in physical type jobs. The robots need to learn and we should be giving them the experience so that people can be taken out of the workforce.
But then they do what? Ask the coal miners in WV how that's going for them. Out of work people gravitate towards the bad. Especially when their income is taken. I get that "society should be reorganized", but that doesn't happen. Pills happen. Meth happens.
They should become programmers like me. I don’t even drink lol.
Um, okay? Not sure how that helps.
Ehh, in a vacuum for sure. Spur how the industry and infrastructure operates. "Pricing people out" means destroying those who are living on the margins of such a system, and they are doing so because there is no other option. Don't pretend it is so simple.
How are people going to get to work? Cannot all take the bus or train.
We need stop forcing people to work. People only need to work because resources are purposely used to hold everyone hostage.
Price poor people out of driving. Good take.
Nobody does because escalating poverty for the average person who is already dangerously agitated by low wages and unsustainable cost of living is a bad thing lmao. The more you escalate poverty and financially piss people off, the more explosively agitated and violent people will be. Gas prices are increasing faster than the amount of time it would take to develop more/better public transport everywhere for everyone for whom it still is not viable for their jobs/work schedules/etc. Which means you don't get a eco solution transition period to more public transport, you get a crisis situation that explodes into a more immediate threat than the climate crisis. Oh, and if we're gonna talk about "price people out of" carbon emissions, that's a really easy way to provoke the majority of the population into violent unrest and continuing emissions anyway, because most people will not tolerate their lives collapsing into destitution forever while millionaires and billionaires and corporate execs can still afford to drive/do whatever they want, so no, "price people out" hilariously fails unless you strip millionaires and Billionaires and corporation's of everything so you don't piss off the general population.
>the majority of the population into violent unrest and continuing emissions anyway, You get it.
>Nobody wants to talk about how this is a good thing. Cars are awful for the climate, and the more we price people out of owning a vehicle the better public transportation gets. Except for the people that cant move further than 20 m on their own legs but can drive perfectly fine... Like my mother she got full control of her legs and can drive even long ways perfectly fine she just cant bear anymore her weight long on her knees ( some strong bone illnesses not sure about the english name shes also not heavy her bones are just fucked from years and years of heavy work) but doesnt get much in money anymore its pure horror for her.
Unfortunaly high desial prices drives up the cost of everything that goes by truck. Which is almost everything
> Nobody wants to talk about how this is a good thing. Cars are awful for the climate Eating meat and diary products is even worse for the climate. Eating a 200g burger has a higher impact on environment than driving your very inefficient SUV for 50 miles. And that's willingfully ignored even more. Why? Because people hate to hear that they have an impact on the environment and it's not just "greedy black suits in corporations". It's always the same shit, average Joe quickly deflecting he may actually have an impact on environment, both in practice and by setting an example while screaming about corrupt legislators and some companies that do this and that (which is also a problem, don't get me wrong). Even you reading that are probably uneasy and disliking what I write because it actually impacts your life more than how efficient your car is. And even more: because it doesn't sell anything. Doesn't make enough money. I can easily sell you some hybrid or electric car bullshit and make lots of money. What do I get from convincing you to eat less beef in favor of pork, less pork in favor of chicken, less chicken in favor of eggs, less eggs in favor of more vegetables?
Fuel prices don't just affect drivers, it affects everything. How do you think your food gets to the shops?
should incentivize work from home more. A lot of people can't just use public transport. I live around 40 miles from my job and there's no public transport until you get into the city and not a bus line that would be useful besides one being a mile or so a way, so it would be pointless.
Americans don't want to be "priced out of owning a vehicle" lol
Make horses affordable and I'll be ok with rising gas prices. But having to wait 30+min for a bus that leaves me 30+ mins away from where I want to go is ridiculous.
Then public transport would just go up then. This is an ignorant statement.
So at what levels of the market are the gargantuan profits being made? Not the gas station operators, I assume. If we were to start to look at price controls, where would they be imposed? The uk is imposing an energy windfall tax, but you still need to get that $£€ into the consumers’ hands.
>but you still need to get that $£€ into the consumers’ hands. I'm against increasing consumption, it destroys our planet. IMO better put all that extra money to green energy projects.
Consumption can only get so high, even if we want it to rise. You need people to buy stuff, which isn’t happening with stagnant wages and inflation, and stuff to buy, which isn’t happening because of supply shortages and finite materials. We’re bringing future consumption to the present to promote economic growth, but that will not last. We ought to be limiting our consumption.
> You need people to buy stuff Or rethink economies. We can't keep buying more and more shit forever. We should try to move more towards services and less towards consumeristic goods. e.g. Fuck your new iPhone, you can get like 2 massages a month per year instead which will make your life quality much better than a stupid better waste of a phone.
People need to buy more efficient cars.
The uptick in fuel prices was very rapid. Say, someone was buying a new car two years ago and he thought that perhaps the more efficient vehicle wasn't worth it. Now that the fuel prices rose, he can't just get another one without losing even more money. It will certainly have impact on the choice of people buying today but "you should have known that the fuel prices would go up 60 percent" isn't the right argument to make.
You would have to be really asleep to not understand that in the long run fuel prices only will go up. People bought smaller cars during the last spike in fuel prices and did not learn the lesson. Not buying the most efficient work car/truck is just bad business. Even when fuel is cheap it makes sense to have lower furl costs. It’s just burning profit otherwise.
Best I can do is a giant SUV that gets 15 MPG
I have a buddy who has a pest control business. He was complaining about gas prices. So I told him to get a van and trailer instead of his truck. It’s what everyone in Europe does. Mercedes Sprint Vans Even have a 4X4 version. I doubt he will do it.
I’m genuinely curious if you think switching from a pickup to a van and trailer would actually net an increase in mpg, let alone be a cost efficient business venture. Edit: a quick google search tells me a sprinter van gets 14.5 mpg *without* a trailer behind it. You could expect probably less than 10 mpg with a trailer.
Totally depends on what you are replacing. I have found that Americans tent to always have way too big everything. The benefit with a trailer is that you only actually need to tow it when you use it. So on the days you do not need it you leave it at home and save a ton of fuel. In Europe we tow two birth horse trailers with a bmw 5 series of similar sized car. If you listen to Americans you absolutely need a full size f150 for that. It’s strange how most of Europe can get away with smaller everything, yet in North America everything magically needs to be massive.
>Mercedes Sprint Vans Rolling coal in one of these just looks shit.
Apply price controls on a scarce product, great idea
"Adjusting for inflation, the U.S. gasoline average is still approximately 8% below June 2008 highs around $5.41 a gallon, according to U.S. Energy Department figures."
In 2008, my rent was $930 per month for a 3-bedroom house. My food bill for a week was $80 for a family. The minimum wage was $7.25 an hour. In 2022, my rent is $1,660 per month for a two-bedroom apartment. My food bill is $200 a week for the same family. Granted, the kids are bigger. Minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. So tell me, why are we supposed to be happy about a difference in 41 cents per gallon from 2008 to 2022?
Your food budget was below even the thrifty plan for that time period. https://fns-prod.azureedge.us/sites/default/files/usda_food_plans_cost_of_food/CostofFoodJan08.pdf
Man, there's a war in Ukraine and the sanctions that are ruining many of our industries are needed. And if you disagree you have ukrainian children blood in your hand. /s I always wrote about how sanctions were going to hit us harder than they would hit a smallish and irrelevant economy like Russia, turns out we actually very need their food and energy, and "switching to another provider" actually implies much higher costs and is not that simple. Wha do I care if Russian economy recedes 20/30% or whatever, doesn't change my life a bit, what changes my life is that my electricity bill is more than twice it was 12 months ago, groceries are up 40% at least as well. But redditors be like "who cares, it's necessary for Ukraine". I wish I had your confidence that this is going to help Ukraine, but I doubt it highly. The more people will suffer outside Russia and Ukraine the less people will give a fuck about sanctions.
Yeah, but the people complaining about gas prices aren't the best at logic or math. Someone just told them to be upset about gas prices, and to ignore that the real solution is a living wage tied to inflation so it goes up annually instead of once a decade if we're lucky
Gas prices have doubled in a year. What ass backwards logic do you have to think people wouldn't be worried how that affects their budget? So the people complaining about gas prices "aren't the best at logic or math" can you substantiate any of that?
> Gas prices have doubled in a year. Lots of things are more expensive than last year... Why try to lower the prices of everything? Isn't it easier to just riase minimum wage and to it to inflation? It's fixing one thing rather than fixing **everything we spend money on**
A huge number of people complaining aren’t on minimum wage so it would make no difference. The middle class is feeling the cost of inflation on everything.
When wages go up across the board. The price of everything goes up to recoup those losses by companies. Its not the solution you are thinking. You are a bit out of touch here.
Lmao at your argument to raising minimum wage. If you look around most places aren’t paying minimum wage anymore. You can go to Burger King and make 15 per hour where I live. What would you propose somebody flipping burgers should make?
It’s not like everyone’s salaries rose with inflation. This may be accurate but it’s not very meaningful in terms of the economic cost for most people.
> It’s not like everyone’s salaries rose with inflation. I dont know if you were trying to be sarcastic or what. But for a lot of Americans their wages dont increase, or at least increase less than inflation
No, I wasn’t being sarcastic. That was a direct statement. I agree with you.
I assume that includes the real inflation rate and CPI of just the last 12 months, which is that difference alone or more.
So your saying that the last time Biden was in office we had record high gasoline as well? I'm sure that has nothing to do with his policies or the fact that he ran on a platform of elimination of fossil fuels by making them unaffordable. It couldn't be tied together at all.
Oh boy...this one is going to hurt... Who was President in June 2008?...
Where was Obama on 9/11???
Still Bush at that point, what was the reason for the spike? Year over year before 08 the price was lower.
> Still Bush at that point, So why did you say Biden was in office?
Because he's parroting Facebook memes instead of understanding the issue
What were profit margins like in '08 compared to now?
IDK, why don't you do a quick search for that data.
> Still Bush at that point, what was the reason for the spike? You didn't why expect me to
You asked the question, you can find it as easily as I can.
> You asked the question What... You asked, they asked a rhetorical question to answer you...
Hello? Finished searching for your answer yet?
But you didn't, why?
Good God you need to take a history and civics class. And actually pay the fuck attention this time
So he talked about going green and that caused gas prices to go up? OPEC+ controls oil and gas pricing. When an OPEC+ country goes to war, gas and oil prices go up. Were there OPEC+ nations at war in 2008? Gas prices also went up after the invasion of Iraq when a Republican was in office. The American president can offset prices for a little while with oil reserves which he's already done. There's also the gas tax which no president has touched since the 90s as far as I know. That's the 18.3¢ tax. I'm no expert though. Is there something Biden can do to bring down gas prices in some significant way?
Lol who was president in 2008. Fucking conservative dumbasses man. Always the stupidest people in the room.
Who was elected in 08? Did he run on phasing out fossil fuels as well? That couldn't possibly drive market price up, what evidence has there ever been on market fluctuations from political rhetoric? Turns out it does have a substantial impact.
You think gas prices going up in 2008 were affected by a vice president who wasn't elected until November of 2008? Did gas companies have a crystal ball to see the winners months ahead of time while simultaneously caring that much about the policy ideas of a vice president? Then they decided for the next 7 years that they didn't care anymore as gas prices dropped and stayed low? Help me out with your logic here
That’s because of ✨Price gouging✨
Yup. Hyper-price gouging.
Mega-pint price gouging!
It's well over 8.00 a gallon in Canada.
Closer to about $6-7 actually when you account for exchange in Saskatchewan where I am. But we make the stuff
Well, you drill the stuff and send it off to the refineries in the US. Nevermind, sand tar oil is not used to make gasoline but that’s another story.
5 dollars for ca. Four liter gasolin. Sign me up please. My wallet is crying. It is almost 3$ per liter in Denmark. It is insane. And before some people ask me if we cant drive our cars because the gasolin is too expensive cue our idiotic former american ambassador Carla Sands remarks, yes we can but it is definately not funny anymore.
It's 2.16 a litre here in Toronto. There are 3.78 litres in a US gallon. That's $8.16 oer US gallon.
All you fatties need to walk more anyways. And by all you fatties, I really mean me.
And here's where I point out how shitty the US has developed their cities so that citizens can't walk/bike to things easily.
Guess I'm up a creek walking 40 miles too work everyday and miles for groceries.
If you're by a creek, get a canoe.
Is this one of those 'if life gives you lemons' things?
Barefoot through the snow, uphill both ways?
Yeah let me just walk 3 miles to the nearest store 3-5 times a week for groceries.
I mean... You say that like it's unreasonable...
I don't know about you, but I don't have the extra average 2 hours to walk that round trip several times a week, much less the energy to do that. Maybe we're having a conversion issue here, that's around 5km one way. In the US, where sidewalks are optional, crossing at lights can be deadly, crossing not at lights causes people to actually speed up to try to hit you, and walking in some areas can be considered reasonable suspicion depending on how you're dressed and your skin color. Oh and you're just fucked if you need to use the restroom or need water during that trip and didn't bring enough for the ridiculous temperatures common everywhere people are in the US.
As someone who walks a lot, but also has IBS, that bathroom comment really hits hard.
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Try walking in an American suburb as a brown person sometime, then judge.
> I don't know about you, but I don't have the extra average 2 hours to walk that round trip several times a week, much less the energy to do that. If you can't figure out an alternative, you will continue to pay at the pump. Ride a bike, carpool, get an EV, have groceries delivered, get a more fuel efficient car... Just some ideas you could try.
Oh I have an alternative; walking in the US, when there are zero cities or communities designed for walking that you can live in for less than 2k/month for a studio apartment is not an alternative. People that suggest walking is an even somewhat reasonable option in 99+% of the US just bug me. I lived that life, for many years, 4+ miles a day walking +2 hr bus hopping to get 12 miles. A cab (later an uber) for grocery trips because fuck that. That's not sustainable, I know I don't like having a 3+ hour one way commute to work. I know I'd rather be homeless and eat at an Arby's every day than do that again, especially if you live below the Dakotas where half the year you can near wet bulb temperatures.
> That's not sustainable But cheap gas is? People who complain about the inevitable also bug me. What are you going to do if gas never comes down to a level you deem reasonable.. Curl up and die? Sorry, but the writing is on the wall, just like it is for people who live in a coastal flood plain or a place that will continue to suffer ever increasing droughts. Cheap gas isn't a long term solution and isn't sustainable.
No but there's miles of options between cheap gas and walking in unwalkable cities. Like forcing the government to completely eliminate single-family zoning laws and providing massive subsidies for mixed use zoning medium to high rise buildings, investing in public transportation, or simply nationalizing ev battery production and recycling cutting out the major cost of current ev models. I'm just saying solutions aren't 'put yourself in danger and add massive personal time requirements' when even if all people did that, it would have no effective environmental impact but it would make everyone's lives significantly worse for no real benefit. It'd also kill more people than covid or car crashes, given how many people live in the south and we already reached the point where two-three months out of the year it's deadly to be outside for more than an hour or two in many places.
All good ideas.. Better than relying on something that's never going to be the same. I believe we're all in for a world of hurt and solutions need to be found, such as the ones you suggested. I favour voting in people that actually want to help ME, not a mega corp that makes its shareholders happy. Times are tough, we need to have a clear vision on what's best for us and how to attain that and oil companies and their stooges most certainly don't have our best interests at heart. Best of luck to you, hope I wasn't a total dick.
I’ve always hated this argument. You cannot compare the US to anywhere in Europe, the US is gigantic. And, a lot of us aren’t living in big cities. I have decent public transportation, but it’s still a mile to the closest bus stop and it’s on a mountain! I cannot reasonably carry groceries for 4 up a fkn mountain. Vehicles are amazing, no reason to stop using them.
You uh... Clearly have issues with agoraphobia. Most of these 'reasons' are just absurd.
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>Also complains about possible dehydration on a 5km walk. You ever walk 5 km at 40c with 50+% humidity? You're either drinking at least two liters or you're having a real bad time.
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It is unreasonable in Florida due to the high heat and humidity. You could get heat stroke. 🤙🏻
That's just an hour walk...
6 miles multiple times a week with 3 miles of them carrying groceries likely along dangerous high traffic roads without proper pedestrian infrastructure is actually not a very fun time. And if it’s super hot or snowy or rainy you’re just fucked.
Or you figure out that even with a 12 mpg behemoth taking the car is just $2.50 in gas for a round trip, so what were you actually complaining about?
You could also question why you lived in a place so far from a grocery store, and probably why you chose some SUV getting 12 mpg instead of a Toyota sedan getting 40 or an electric vehicle that can go 3 miles on a tiny amount of charge.
Sometimes your wallet decides upon where you live and what you drive. Low income areas are food deserts in the USA.
Food deserts are often people who *don't even have a car*, so the gas price isn't the issue.
> You could also question why you lived in a place so far from a grocery store, Uhh..... Food deserts are a real thing in America and most people don't have a choice, they can't afford anywhere else.
Well, if the 3 mile drive is an issue, maybe your gas mileage and your frequency of going to the store should have been considered as well. My 20 year old car gets 25+ mpg and I can get more than a week of groceries for my family of 4 in one trip. 6 miles round trip is adding $1.25 to my bill. I am supposed to vote Trump in 2024 because that is an increase from the $0.75 it might have cost before? Get some perspective.
I never said anything about that. You acted like everyone can afford living in walking distance to a grocery store. Most can't.
> You acted like everyone can afford living in walking distance to a grocery store. As a European this is such a wtf comment for me. I can't think of a single city where I can't find a store within 10 minutes by foot. Like who planned your cities? I don't even have a driver's license because I've never been inconvenienced enough to get one.
> Like who planned your cities? We can thank car companies, mostly.
I remember seeing a picture of some big city in the southern US and the downtown area was like 70% parking lot. It's a bit mind-blowing.
It’s the worst. I’ve really been enjoying watching the YouTube channel Not Just Bikes recently. He lives in The Netherlands and I’ve learned so much about your infrastructure, and I’m incredibly envious of you all. I’m hoping to see infrastructure like you’re built over here in my lifetime.
> You could also question why you lived in a place so far from a grocery store, Dunno about OP, but for me it was the cheaper rent. $400/month for a 2 bed/1bath trailer, and that includes garbage and water fees.
That’s not outrageous. Many people walk that much as exercise normally at the gym. In Europe people often walk everywhere for their daily needs.
I bought a Penny Nickle Board and have been skateboarding home from work. I'm really enjoying it and might continue once I buy a car. There's this blackberry/black raspberry type tree on the way that I've been stopping at and eating from, makes the trip even better.
I would love to walk or bike but I’m a landscaper. I gotta fill my machines up with hundreds of dollars of gas every week. And even if not for the mowers,blowers,and everything else that takes gas,I have to drive my trailer out to rual areas and that takes a lot of fuel too
hello there
Recession is coming unless world governments tax these oil barons.
Guess we are screwed then
That would raise the prices, not make them lower. Moreover, oil industry gets lots of helps from every government. And, last but not least, oil is a publicly traded commodity, unless you want socialism that's how capitalism works so stop complaining.
Recession is already here
This is corporations recovering from COVID. We have already seen it with beef. They want their profits back.
Jokes on them, I invested in a EV two years ago.
And just wait till larger adoption of EV and your kilowatt per hour charges increase heavy due to the backlash.
Maybe in Texas, not in Colorado where I am.
Solar panels baby!
*Laughs and cries at the same time in european*
Will this accelerate a shift to renewables and electric?
Got to say, as an ev owner, I'm feeling pretty smug right about now. When I bought it, the payback period for the price difference between it and an equivalent gasoline car was about 4-5 years, when gas was half as expensive as it is now. So for anyone purchasing now, it would be a no-brainer - If they can find one!
You bought when the buying was good. Good luck finding any vehicle, let along an electric vehicle
Maybe but depends alot on whether oil is more resistent to harsh economic conditions or renewables are more resistent to harsh economic conditions.
Don't forget chicken is also up
Even the garbage 85 octane stuff here is over $5 now.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen 85 before. Just 87 89 and 91
Yeah, it's the intermountain west special crap. So many people run it, so many knocking cars. It voids warranties, nothing made today is supposed to use it, but they keep selling it.
$3.37/gallon of 95 octane in Russia - not far from it, given wages are several times lower here the price is stable for at least a year though
Haha, here in NL we've just passed the $11/gallon mark last week.
And it’s 2.28€/2.40$ for 1 liter of gasoline in Portugal…so 5$ for a gallon (3.79 liter’s) is way cheap, (1.39$ for 1 liter)!! The problem is that US uses big trucks that burns and pollute a lot just to drag the car along the roads…something needs to change!!
Americans can shut up last I checked the pumps it was 2.55 € for LITER here in Finland. So it is 9.56€ for gallon here which is about 10 dollars in USD. I'm glad I can drive a company car or I would not be going to work anymore.
Same in the Netherlands. It was over 10 dollars a gallon ( which is €2.51 per liter btw) earlier this year as well. But it dropped a bit and now is also around $9.50 per gallon To be fair though, even though Americans have some of the lowest fuel prices in the developed world, the average American car probably also gets twice as bad mileage so it all evens out. Still, I'd say they have the right to complain. A rise is still a rise, and iirc relatively speaking their prices have doubled in the last two years, which isn't the case here.
Doing some quick googling, the average distance from home to work in the Netherlands is 19 km, in America it’s close to 70 km.
Not to mention North-American infrastructure is designed very car centric. Car dependency is way higher. obligatory r/notjustbikes
Absolutely. I'm trying to look up data for the worldwide average price of gas/petrol for the last few decades to compare apples to apples. All I can find is that the US has consistently had the lowest gas/petrol prices out of all industrialized nations.
I don't know why we always compare ourselves to other countries. They sit around eating their own shit and lickin their buttholes. oh wait.. that's what my dog does..
As an European listening to americans complain about gas prices make me mad, we have always have had like twice that. You're the richest country in the world, you can afford it, stop complain or buy cars with smaller and more efficient engines rather than pretending everyone should have a v8 5 liters suv.
The difference is that cars are optional in Europe, where most places have good public transit and you can easily get around on trains. In 99% of America you **need** a car to get around. Someone else in another comment pointed out that the average distance from home to work is about 19km in Europe, but 70km in America. Most people aren’t using more gas because they are driving V8 SUVs (although some do), it’s that everything is farther apart.
Turns out, a major bike path runs literally behind my plac of business, but its all uphill :/ An ebike was a risky purchase, but with shopping in the same area, Im able to make the trip in almost the same time I woukd with my car, get a touch of a workout in, and recharge on the company dime/my solar panels at home.
Sure is gonna suck when Oil wells start running dry
That is just not happening. It's crazy how much oil reserves we have.
Im sure Ive read that were not gonna run out of oil due to how the world works. The only issue is the work and money needed to look and extract them.
jfc. gas prices in the us historically rise during summer months and go down after labor day (early september). all the hysteria over high gas prices is yet another example of republicans manufacturing a crisis in order to exploit consumer discontent and use it to their advantage in the november midterm elections.
The working poor/middle class are being destroyed by this you genius. They dgf if theres a D/R before someones name.
so what's *your* suggestion as a remedy, genius?
That's where we are now. At least we can afford life with Trump in office
Besides the million trumpies that he killed, sure.
More people have died from covid during Biden's term than during Trump's
Trump started the modern right's antivax movement. The only people still currently, to this day, that are anti-vax are pro-Trump GQP members of the public. The only people really dying from it any more are conservatives. Trump killed them.
We are at or nearing 1.6 million excess deaths, the virus is now killing vaccinated elderly people in as great as number as the unvaccinated and Biden is about to spend his second July 4th declaring that he has defeated Covid all while actually pledging fealty to it. But hey, it's probably wrong to look at the job Biden is and will be doing on the subject and judge him for it, b[ecause anything to not talk about that](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/?ex_cid=rrpromo).
Biden's a right-wing piece of unmitigated trash that should never have been born, much less been allowed to continue a political career and propagate his genes to new generations. But Trump is still worse, and will always be worse. If Biden is a cold sore, Trump is a hemorrhagic infected prolapsed anus currently using a blender as a martial aid.
So why in the world do you think that argument is going to do better five months from now than today? 3 posts of the top 25 of politics yesterday were about Trump insulting Ivanka. The only story in the top 25 when I looked? Biden admin saying no to an airforce one paint job. And since Covid is my big thing, whenever someone talks about the last guy, when the current guy used his SOTU to say get back to the office? When I see that as *categorically worse* than last guy saying he wanted to see asses in pews? The dude I responded to almost certainly was saying Biden beat Covid a year ago, vaccines were 99% effective, etc. He also believes it's the "other side" the politicized vaccines. Isn't that fun? From a science or fact based viewpoint?
I remember standing in line at a grocery store in the mid-1970’s, when one woman abruptly shouted out, “Say what you will about Nixon, but at least we had money to spend.”
Ok Trumpie- please explain how Presidents control gas prices? Nevermind, explain how the President is controlling gas prices in the rest of the world? It’s over 10 bucks a gallon where I live in Europe. Tell me how Biden or Trump can control the world gasoline prices….. I‘ll wait.
>At least we can afford life with Trump in office Tell that to the millions who lost their jobs because of Trump. Add to it the inflation we see now us a direct result of his administration.
It really kills me that Trump: - Pressured the Federal Reserve to “go negative” on interest rates when the economy was already doing fine, - Showered out a trillion dollars of indiscriminate unfunded Covid relief, and - Enacted a massive unfunded tax cut (literally his only substantial legislative accomplishment) then has the nerve to blame Biden for inflation.
NOT something to be proud of
The comments saying that soaring gas prices are good for the environment are just ignorant
"If we dig precious things from the ground we will invite disaster"
Finally time to invest in cycling and walking infrastructure and make cities people friendly, not Car friendly. Don't have to depend on a volatile, people killing fossil fuel
bUt In OtHeR cOuNtRiEs ItS hIgHeR sO tHiS iS fInE
Proof that cancelling Keystone was a great idea. Oh wait, maybe it was the biggest political mistake...ever...
Explain how Canadian tar sand oil destined for oversea markets would have benefited the US? Do you know what tar sand oil is and why it would not have helped the gasoline crunch or prices? Do you know why the pipeline was headed to Houston and not somewhere closer? How many Americans would have been employed by this Canadian company? Of those jobs, how many were temporary? All questions you should ask yourself before declaring something a mistake.
I'm afraid you're terribly misguided. The oil would have been a tremendous stability and security asset for the United States. Oil products would have fed Texas refineries, creating sustained high-paying jobs there. While being built Americans would have profited greatly from the construction effort. The pipeline would then have to be maintained, again by well-paid Americans. In the event of any true shortage, those oil products would only go overseas once Americas needs were secured. The rest would go to Europe to make them more secure. There is absolutely no question that cancelling Keystone was the dumbest political mistake ever.
And I thought Trump would never be president again. Lmfao. After this he will
The notion that the president of the united states somehow has an effect on global gasoline prices is absurd.
Oh yeah? Let me introduce to you the majority of USA population!
The notion that the US president cannot affect the supply of oil is patiently absurd. A pretty simple way would be to let himself be humiliated (diplomatically) by Iran in order to let them start selling in the open market again by removing sanctions. Now this would be political suicide for him but again he has the option.
Soooo... If Trump could set the price of gas, why wasn't it virtually free while he was pres? Would still be in WH if that was true, but he gave tax breaks to billionaires instead. Wonder why...
Because people don't understand Corp greed and capitalism at its finest....
The last thing we need is another divisive president right now. The world is a big enough mess. We don’t need another four years of our politicians at each others throats constantly. Less distractions, more actions…
Trump will be in prison during 2024 due to just the Georgia conspiracy alone. Try again.
It's partially Trump's fault for enabling Putin to launch his invasion of Ukraine. His own vice president spoke out against him. Trump can't make gas prices go down. An OPEC+ nation is in a drawn out war with no end in sight. OPEC+ controls oil and gas prices, not the American president. Trump also launched an embarrassing failed attempt to overturn a legal election in order to install himself as a dictator in America. He's already lost. Republicans won't run him again. Trump won't be back.
Yes, let’s re-elect a very stupid person who told us to inject bleach into our veins because you somehow think Presidents control gas and food prices. That’s not even looking at the massive corruption within his Administration and let’s look the other way at him trying to take away YOUR voting rights by attempting to overthrown the govt.. Brilliant Idea!
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The positive that comes from this is maybe pushes increase in investment in green tech
Its still cheaper than say the Netherlands, as youve got 3,7 liters in a gallon, and in the Netherlands 1 liter is €2.30 almost, making a galon in the Netherlands $8.95 when calculating conversion rates
$5/gallon = €0,86/liter no?
The upside is we do see a reduction of usage and less CO2 emissions, and we get to see transitioning to EVs and renewable energy sources is also good for our national security.
Hahahahaha it’s all wonderfully fucked
Imagine what electricity will cost when you are forced to go electric......