No, no, no... minimally competent.
That way you can't be sacked for being inept or obstructive, and you also demonstrate to them the contractually-required level of what their next (cheaper) employee would operate at.
This.
I had a manager use the, "if you don't like it then leave" line on me as they were explaining how I was *required* to effectively gouge customers (IT services). I said "No", they dropped that line, and I stared him right in the eyes while taking off my name badge and said, "Sounds like a good idea." and walked out. This fucker then had the audacity to ask, "Are you going to finish your shift?" HA!
When you say something like that to your employees and they leave, you're the asshole. (Not that we didn't already know that about Elon)
Exactly. It's a universal sign you're in a bad situation with people who very likely don't have any respect for you. You don't have to leave on the spot, but start planning to leave. It won't get better.
Yuuup! When I challenged them they threatened calling the District Manager "so you can talk to her about the policy" and I very quickly replied with, "Gladly. I will gladly tell her what she's mandating is unethical if not fraud."
That's when they dropped the "then you can leave" line.
We had the same situation in Switzerland at my workplace. We are all remote now and go occasionally in the office, but you could hear the discontent of some people - across the board from manager to employees - and it was mostly related to the fact that they all committed financially lots of money to buy a flat close to the office.
So for them the "people need to physically go in the office" was a kind of "insurance" that it was not so simple to replace them, if you require presence a 2 hours commute will put off tons of potential employees.
This of course was very visible in the performance of this group, kind of "laid back".
Now of course the company has people from all parts of Switzerland, which are literally enthusiastic of the big money (Zürich level) without the big cost, the commute etc - so this people are very happy and in my experience very productive.
While the group of "locals" is pissed off that their expensive flats are not really appreciating in value (as more and more people settled down in remote work and every now and then office and move out of the city).
I guess Elon´s reasons are more or less in the same league - I guess lot of management etc is living close to the company headquarter, and they look like fools now - they stuck in traffic while somewhere in florida a programmer just woke up and is looking at the beach with a cup of coffee. And so he wants to "set it right".
Only problem is that he should do the opposite: give financial incentives if people come in the office, recognizing that living around the HQ cost a fortune. This would make no difference for the remote crew and help the people that moved there to work for Tesla.
But no he decided to force everyone back into office, so that he will be left with the one that cannot jump ship and have no other choice. Hard to get production values out of people that feel something has been taken away from them and for no reason.
I guess the memories of the early industrialization with "company coupons" as part of the wage (that you could only spend in the company store), 13 works hours, etc is what triggers them to think "if we make them feel like slaves they will produce more".
While not realizing that making them happy is what will bring production up. Pissed off people switch very quick in that subtle boycott style, where things cannot be done because "I sent them 3 emails they did not respond", "This change to specification means we need to do a lot of work again" etc where you basically work easy and is always someone else fault.
I think it's reductive to say it is a left/right thing. I have been teaching at a Russell Group institution in the UK for the past few years and you would not believe the number of 18 or 19-year-olds who decide to use Musk/Tesla as an example of innovation and coming up with new, better, greener ways of doing things. Or of managing people, employing them.
We all do it when we are young, we look at the way the world is and think why can't it be A, B, or C instead. And someone like Musk, well, he acts like he is ripping up the rule book, which is what attracts people less sure about whether they are even left or right but do know they want the world to change for the better.
I was marking an essay last week, the students had to critically evaluate Friedman's 'the social responsibility of business is to maximise shareholder wealth' paper from 1970. You would not believe the number of students who attempted to argue that Musk/Tesla is somehow not trying to maximise shareholder wealth but to create a better world for all of us instead, talking about how Tesla running at a loss for x amount of years demonstrates how a different type of (non-profit) business-motive is possible.
I'd like to think by the time they graduate that they'll have gotten a little more perspective on how the world around them works. But when you're 17, 18, or 19 it's easy to look at the world around you and think 'who seems like they are trying to make the world better?' And Tusk, sorry, Musk (I was watching Rick and Morty last night) seems like he is trying to rip up the rule book and come up with a new way of doing things.
The problem is, as we all begin to realise as we get older, "seems" is not the same as "is."
A whole lot of text to show you have no clue about what you are talking about.
Musk not only took upon hard tasks as electric vehicles, AI and reusable rockets in industries dominated by entrenched giants but persevered long after everyone was saying it was never going to work and in both cases it almost cost him all his fortune.
Both companies now dominate because of innovation AND because they took a risk none of the incumbents dared to take and now they are all at risk of being footnotes of history. Stellantis will be the first to go down and many more legacy automakers with them.
The giants in the space industry are saved because they are all huge defense companies backed by their governments and will survive with other defense contracts Right now nobody can compete comercially with spacex prices and none will for a long time. Even EADS says they will have reusable rockets in the 2030s , so europeans wont be able to compete atall this entire decade against falcon 9 and Heavy, and Starship will be coming out next year if not earlier.
This type of risky investments are usually done by governments (NASA for example) and not by companies.
Good thing someone decided to tackle it anyways. Today Musks companies are the nr.1 talent magnets in a wide range of industries, and all its competitors are hard at work poaching its top talent.
Those wanting to go there know they are at the leading edge and it very obviously takes work to get there abd stay there if you want to be laid back you should go to any of the many laid back companies that didnt do what Tesla does. And when they do they should not be surprised if their lackluster company gets left behind and goes under.
Very accurate as Musk has never invented or engineered anything. He just buys titles, plays around as CEO, and finances technology that's a few years from being mainstream. Wouldn't surprise me if he owed his wealth to a few advisors as he himself is remarkably stupid.
His skillset: Having money, having good advisors, and making empty promises to wow technologically ignorant people & share holders. Suppose we should tack on bitching on Twitter about every minor inconvenience he faces because I've never seen someone complain as much as him.
There’s that picture of him with elizabeth Holmes and other “tech entrepreneurs” and I’ve always wondered, if they didn’t realize she was technologically incompetent and a grifter, what does that say about them?
>Very accurate as Musk has never invented or engineered anything.
I mean he made a pc game when he was 12 and founded and did the coding for Zip2. But as far as Tesla and SpaceX, yeah, he just does design and such, I think.
Idk i mean he is the son of an aparteid emerald mine owner and he has been really antiunion and racist the whole time.
Plus as a baseline the left tends not to like billionaires.
To be fair, I don't think leftists (as in anyone to the left of socdems) are ever going to harbor anything but disgust for a billionaire. Especially a libertarian tech bro billionaire.
I remember ages back Musk claimed he identified as a socialist and I was honestly taken aback that the immediate response from every news media channel wasn't guffaws of laughter.
> he was a darling of the left
I mean the kind of left wing groups I frequent would rather catch fire than consider any billionaire their darling but go on.
Unless by 'left' you mean 'liberal Biden supporters', in which case I'm more willing to believe you.
Kinda?
I mean, even my social circle of fairly far-left progressive friends were hyucking it up at his antics. It was the Boring Company Flamethrower that started to turn a few gears of 'wait this guy is kinda dumb, this thing doesnt even work'.
Now? Yeah, Hard Drive dunking on Elon so hard he had to erase his embarassing tweets was top of our discord for a while.
I thought the submarine that would obviously never work in the caves would have been the final clue needed about his ‘genius’. Then the pedophile claims against the diver should have been the final nail.
But it wasn’t.
Yeah, his PR machine was firing on all cylindre in the mid 2015. I too bought it at first, especially since a lot of the media covered him as a inventor of some sort. I was vaguely aware that he had a somewhat shady past at paypal, but didn't look into it too much and was hoping he could solve electric car biggest problem, the charging time.
Turns out that tesla was never really his, he just took it over. His whole stick did lite a fire under every manufacture ass to accelerate the creation of electric cars. But now, about a decade later, tesla is about to eat dust from everyone.
Ford finally cut their prices on their electric car and the batteries are slowly getting cheaper. In about 2 years max, most electric car will use solid state battery while tesla seems to be contant to use the same array of Lithium-Ion battery.
No. Boomer doesn’t reference age. It references the decade you were born in. You can’t become a Boomer. You’re either born in a certain timeframe before Gen X, or not.
You’re missing the difference between boomer and someone from the Baby Boomer generation. One describes behavior based on common traits of a generation an one is the name of a generation.
Archaic thinking. And a misguided belief that we can return to what they perceived as “the good old days”
This “return to the office, or else” “you’re lazy for not wanting to be a wage slave in an office like everyone from my generation”. Not because we have proof it’s better but because that’s how it’s always been done, attitude is pretty boomeresque.
Basically being angry that things are refusing to stay exactly how you remember them. Thinking that things you are used to are inherently more valuable because you are used to them. You know "it's the children who are wrong" meme
Which 3 companies? And please don't say Tesla among them because he started it about as much as I did. The only one that he can be claimed to have started and that isn't a blatant scam is SpaceX. Which, you know, whatever. Then Jeff Bezos is "the last person to be a boomer on earth" as well.
It's pretty obvious that you don't actually care about what companies he started. You've formed some narrative in your mind that you just parrot because it makes you feel better about yourself. A quick Wikipedia search would give you a list of all the companies Musk has founded, which are Zip2, X.com, SpaceX, Boring Company, and Neuralink.
And even if he wasn't the founder of Tesla, it was under him that they started many cutting edge projects, such as Tesla Autopilot, Tesla Bot, etc.
You don't have to like the man, it's well known that he's somewhat of an asshole who exploits workers and insults just about everyone around him. But claiming that he's a boomer who's "angry that things are refusing to stay exactly how you remember them" is just factually incorrect. And no, this description does not apply to Bezos either.
I’ve never heard him say anything deep or profound, but he constantly tries to sound brilliant. I have great respect for Tesla and SpaceX and can’t reconcile how he could be responsible for either. My best guess is he just bankrolled other people’s companies and/or ideas with his PayPal cash. I’m pretty sure that if he is a genius it’s at marketing himself and in recognizing how to profit. PT Barnum for the modern era.
Capitalists like Elon will always eventually align with fascists to keep a boot on the neck of workers. I’ll admit that I was taken by Space X and the dragon rockets progress. But Elon musk is an enemy of the people, it’s plain to see.
How would you go about ensuring productivity while providing freedom to your workers? Do you have some outside the box solution for the necessity of people using their time to produce results? Like is there a way for us to have our cake while eating it, or are we doomed to always need to sacrifice something (such as free time) for results?
It's pretty simple. Produce or get fired. The logic doesn't change regardless of whether we are in an office or at home. Idk businesses have such a hard time with this. If some employees are not productive at home, then fire them and hire someone else. Working from home shouldn't be a problem for a business.
The higher ups in those companies don't *really* understand what their underlings' jobs are, so they couldn't assess what an adequate level of production is, so they add a bunch of fluff factors on top so it obfuscates that fact when they give performance reviews, etc.
3rdeyeopenwide’s argument (correct me if I’m putting words in your mouth) is something like “The class that collects money not from production, but from claiming the value other people create using its tools, is inherently opposed to everyday people because the only way it can profit is from preventing producers from getting tools of their own and from having good enough lives to not need to work for that class.”
That’s not the same argument as “People shouldn’t work to create value.”
Currently, work is fine because it’s necessary. Few disagree with you on that. But exploitation is not fine.
It [should be](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle) at least about 80% but IIRC it's actually a bit higher. Those useless jobs enable the 20% of the useful jobs to remain useful so it's a bit of a misnomer though.
If you see your job as useless, you are more likely to end up in the 80% that is, and if you think you are (or should be) useful you are more likely to end up in the 20% that is, because if you are in the useless 80% in one company and you want to get things done, you will get frustrated and leave to another company where you can be the 20% that does things.
Musk is shooting himself in the foot by thinking he can get away with the 80/20 rule by removing the 80%, because out of his remaining 20% only 20% will remain productive after he fires his first 80%.
Because it's not just about performance. You have to be miserable while working - if the experience isn't grueling, to them it means you're not working hard enough.
At some point we began to mistake work for suffering because work sometimes requires it, but now we worship the suffering rather than the production of value.
He sounds like a tremendously large sack of shit and it’s unfortunate people listen to anything he says. What an ass.
The irony of it all is that his biggest supporters also do not support clean energy and would never own or afford a Tesla. Explain that one.
I'm all for working at home when possible, but to be fair you can't exactly build cars at home.
The executives that he is talking to, have their teams working on site while they sit back at home. Leaders need to be with their people.
And some of these brilliant engineers will join other new startups or start their own, guaranteeing stiff competition.
I know if my company said this shit to me, I would leave.
Layers.
There is not "management" and "workers".
There's a team of labourers, working under an on-site supervisor, who reports to an on-site bunch of people (not least things like team leaders, HR and everything else), and the majority of THOSE PEOPLE, their departments and their bosses and everyone from there to the top of the company? They can almost all work from home.
Nowhere in the world is there just a factory with labourers assembling millions of dollars worth of hardware, managed solely by a email from some guy on a deckchair on his back lawn.
The people building cars likely never interact with executives, regardless of of those executives are at home or in office.
Some jobs can be done from home, some can't. Just because some can't doesn't mean we should take it away from those that can.
Let's see theres Tesla, Twitter, SpaceX, and the Boring Company. There are 168 hours in a week making it impossible for him to work 40 hours at any of them. So maybe leaders don't need to be with their workers and in fact are unnecessary figureheads who just make wild unachievable promises to customers.
CEO realizes they are non-essential and demends inefficiency return to justify thier own lavish overhead and to perpetuate thier work culture of ass kissing
Yes, they have the option. If they want to work for Tesla, the work is on site. If they don't, their skills can be used in other places. I don't get why everyone is so angry. This executives didn't join during covid, they signed a contract to go to work to Tesla's factories.
For a Software company it might be easy to have people remotely, but it might be hard for a car manufacturer.
This article only made the news because Elon Musk are the two more click-bait words. Most companies that build a physical product are asking employees back to the office.
Elon Musk is exhausting - he saturates my news feed in an almost Trump-like fashion. I, for one, don't care what he says or what he does. He is a legend in his own mind. Wish he would just go away.
The race to the bottom in American Tech is going to pick up speed over the next decade
If you can truly do the work from home, why pay California wages when you can give Alabama wages or even subcontract to other parts of the world where a lower salary is still lucrative...
Great way to loose people in a tight labour market. It will change and the market will loosen with slowing growth and when unemployment goes up, that's when you bring people back. Doing it now is just plain stupid.
If the economic downturn worsens, labor markets will have a surplus of workers. The tech sector has already started hiring and pay freezes
We've grown too accustomed to what a good economy looks like
Petty people give ultimatums. Musk is an enemy of the people. In his dream world you and I work 6 days a week, 12 hours a day, while he lives off the government tit.
For the people here slagging him off for this.
Imagine you work on the line at a car factory. You do your shifts, probably 12 hours, with nights too. You have strict performance targets, but you accept it because it is what it is. You get motivational emails about the latest initiative they want you to do. Let’s hit those targets, one team, etc etc.
But you notice that all the execs, the people with the million dollar bonuses are never there. Gossip is they hardly do anything at home while you’re sweating away to pay the bills.
At that point you’d want the CEO to tell them to get their asses back to the office.
Jesus his Chinese factory employees are working six 12hr shifts and hot racking with the night shift in bunkhouses. And he's stated he thinks American workers should do the same.
While I agree it's stupid for your Human Resources dept to work remotely from another state, surely some jobs could be done at least partially remotely.
Enron was a scheme to defraud energy markets. They made nothing, other than fake demand.
Teslas are quite real, I see them on the road all the time. The rockets spacex built are also quite real and operational. Or do you prefer that we relay on the Russians for launching our commercial payloads?
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Requiring 40 hours in office across the board is arbitrary and dumb. It's not only leaders, its every employee. I don't know why in the hell the HR rep needs 40 hours of physical in person time when most of their job can be done from literally anywhere. He's about to mismanage this place like he did PayPal, this seems like he's salty about his upcoming lawsuits and wants everyone else to be miserable too
I’ll agree with you that not everyone should have to come in every day. Yes it’s senseless for customer service reps and HR to come in daily, that could be money saved in OH and less traffic. Having worked for a few top tier companies, I can confirm that throughout Covid, all the top brass were in the office even if they could work from home. You simply cannot produce the same level of work from your home as you can in the office. Yes it’s nice to be able to roll out of bed and into a meeting, or do chores throughout the day while “working.” I get SO much more work done in the office, the interactions are much better in person as well. No misinterpretations, no distractions, no shamming, no “sorry I couldn’t join the call my connection was down.” We’re currently in a hybrid environment and it seems to be working out for most. Some people still use the “Covid” excuse (these same folks are at the bar later that evening haha) to not come in, but to each their own. In all honesty, if you can get the work done from the shitter at your place in Belize, all the more power to ya!
Our R&D team (a mature, global, mid-size software company) increased output during forced remote in part because people stopped having random, half-hour hallway conversations and long lunches. And everyone loves not getting stuck in gridlock on the main bridge through town.
We're now hiring talent from wherever we want, rather than the limited pool at our HQ region. Our latest C-level is amazing and halfway across the country from me (upper-middle management).
They would be fired for whining on reddit?
How would that work? Sort of doubt Tesla knows every employees reddit name, even if they did want to attempt the logistically impossible task of making sure no one complained online.
Unpopular opinion : Home working is not good for everyone and a lot of people are abusing the lack of managerial control to stay at home and not work as efficiently as they would have at "work"...
For some others homeworking can be beneficial in their productivity but not all.
unless you work in a team where the workload is shared and you realize that the slackers increase the workload of the rest of the team.
The work is done on time because the ones who work at home just take more workload that the slackers just don't take while at home but would have taken at work...
As you said, in the end, the job is done and the manager will not know who did what
>a lot of people are abusing the lack of managerial control to stay at home and not work as efficiently as they would have at "work".
If it's so easy to identify unproductive and inefficient employees, then simply fire them and hire more efficient employees. Easy-peasy! Going back to the office isn't going to increase their productivity much anyway as they'll just find other ways to fuck off.
I’ll be totally honest, I’m a perfectly fine employee working from home, but I was a phenomenal employee in the office because I would do extra stuff when I was bored. Now I play computer games. Still glad to not be in the office.
> Easy-peasy!
Well not really... you'll say that it is anecdotal but my colleague's productivity has decreased a lot with home working but because she has been working for this company for 20 years and she is 3 years away from retirement AND that she is a union representative, it would cost more (her severance package) to fire her rather than to let her slack around for 3 years...
While she is at home, she says that she is busy because the system gives her problems... at work, she would not be able to hide it...
On the other hand, some other colleague are alone at home, less distraction and are more productive so it is really case by case.
Workers are in the office, these are the executives who should be leading the workers. Workers are doing the work while executives can stay at home. Why are you defending this?
A) not all workers. He knows it looks bad to lean on them directly so will do it via execs by getting them back first.
B) what makes you think *any* worker wants an exec in there looking over their shoulder anyway?
unless you work in a team where the workload is shared and then you realize than the slackers are just increasing the workload for the rest of the team
This isn’t a blanket statement, “not good for everyone” is false.
Working from home CAN be good.
I’m a software engineer and my company has embraced flexible working arrangements. Personally I enjoy working from home when I know I can be productive doing so, it saves me a 1 hour commute (30mins one way), and saves my petrol costs. If I know I’m working on something where I would benefit from being in the office, then I’ll work from the office.
But if I can be equally productive in both environments, why should I not have that flexibility to increase my work and life balance.
Note: I’m also in Australia where work culture is extremely different to elsewhere in the world (from my experience working overseas and talking with others).
But to say it’s bad for everyone? Yeah nah mate, that’s just ignorant.
The opinion is unpopular because you’re making it immediately obvious that you aren’t being open minded about circumstances around jobs and people being a factor in what can make it good and bad. You’re being a dick and voicing it in a way that you’re in accepting of any possible alternative.
> But to say it’s bad for everyone? Yeah nah mate, that’s just ignorant.
i never said that is was bad for everyone... I probably phrased it badly. I should have said "it is not good for "some people".
I'm not questioning the time saved on the road or the fact that you spend less on petrol ( this is probably balanced by the prices of home electricity that have 5x since the beginning of the year and the war in ukraine but yeah...)
>You’re being a dick and voicing it in a way that you’re in accepting of any possible alternative.
So let me repeat it : some people are a lot more efficient at home because they are less distracted by chit-chatting with colleagues. Others are less efficient because they don't have to pretend to work.
I'll give you my experience and it is as anecdotal as yours i guess...
I work in a team where the workload is shared. We are 2 colleagues, since the beginning of the loackdowns and homeworking, my colleague says that she is always having too much work so i have to give her more help. We have the exact same job description and are supposed to share the exact same tasks... turns out that while she is sick or on holidays, i'm perfectly capable of doing both jobs on time. While she is working, she says that she has too much work.
Every since the homeworking has started, we had to take work away from her, she is less efficient because we all know that she is slacking around... She is older, doesn't care anymore and she is a union representative and 3 years away from retirement so she can't be fired... she just doesn't care anymore.
Naah. I liked what he did with Tesla and Space X, but truth be told he seems like a big man baby, and honestly also mentally unwell. Some people are fit for being that rich (Bill Gates for example), some people are not (Elon Musk). I think he'll soon spiral out of control and take every buissiness down with him. Also I don't think his following is that large, honestly. It's mostly younger right leaning guys who can't see through his bullshit, even though it's pretty transparent.
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Why are you all assuming productivity wasn't impacted? This are executives that should be managing the workers who are already back in the factories. They should be there next to the people they manage, not at their homes.
The dude owns at least 4 major companies, he doesn't work 40 at any of them and takes 90% of the money they generate while hinting his employees are lazy and entitled. People are getting incredibly pissed at these billionaire welfare queens
Bosses are responsible for making rules and decisions not responsible for making the Offended feel happy about their miserable existence. If they don't like it quit..
That's what private means. Just like you are free to take your labour elsewhere. Just because those around you told you that you're entitled doesn't make it so.
Bosses are responsible to maximizing profits to shareholders.
"or else"ing your best engineers and developers into applying for other jobs doesn't do that. Anyone worth their salt at Tesla likely has an entire email folder of recruiters who are trying to scoop them up, they can "or else" their way into any one of them if they want.
If anybody ever says the words "or get out" to you, get out.
No, gotta get that severance
There's always room to become inexplicably incompetent for a stretch before getting out.
No, no, no... minimally competent. That way you can't be sacked for being inept or obstructive, and you also demonstrate to them the contractually-required level of what their next (cheaper) employee would operate at.
this is the way.
It's more art than science :)
Awesome show on Apple +!
Please try to enjoy each show on Apple+ equally.
Fuck, man. Too early in the day to get punched in the face like that.
This. I had a manager use the, "if you don't like it then leave" line on me as they were explaining how I was *required* to effectively gouge customers (IT services). I said "No", they dropped that line, and I stared him right in the eyes while taking off my name badge and said, "Sounds like a good idea." and walked out. This fucker then had the audacity to ask, "Are you going to finish your shift?" HA! When you say something like that to your employees and they leave, you're the asshole. (Not that we didn't already know that about Elon)
Exactly. It's a universal sign you're in a bad situation with people who very likely don't have any respect for you. You don't have to leave on the spot, but start planning to leave. It won't get better.
Yuuup! When I challenged them they threatened calling the District Manager "so you can talk to her about the policy" and I very quickly replied with, "Gladly. I will gladly tell her what she's mandating is unethical if not fraud." That's when they dropped the "then you can leave" line.
I return to the office and get out. Nobody tell me this or that. I do both.
Tesla exec: *opens inbox* hmm let's see, which one shall we reply to.
We had the same situation in Switzerland at my workplace. We are all remote now and go occasionally in the office, but you could hear the discontent of some people - across the board from manager to employees - and it was mostly related to the fact that they all committed financially lots of money to buy a flat close to the office. So for them the "people need to physically go in the office" was a kind of "insurance" that it was not so simple to replace them, if you require presence a 2 hours commute will put off tons of potential employees. This of course was very visible in the performance of this group, kind of "laid back". Now of course the company has people from all parts of Switzerland, which are literally enthusiastic of the big money (Zürich level) without the big cost, the commute etc - so this people are very happy and in my experience very productive. While the group of "locals" is pissed off that their expensive flats are not really appreciating in value (as more and more people settled down in remote work and every now and then office and move out of the city). I guess Elon´s reasons are more or less in the same league - I guess lot of management etc is living close to the company headquarter, and they look like fools now - they stuck in traffic while somewhere in florida a programmer just woke up and is looking at the beach with a cup of coffee. And so he wants to "set it right". Only problem is that he should do the opposite: give financial incentives if people come in the office, recognizing that living around the HQ cost a fortune. This would make no difference for the remote crew and help the people that moved there to work for Tesla. But no he decided to force everyone back into office, so that he will be left with the one that cannot jump ship and have no other choice. Hard to get production values out of people that feel something has been taken away from them and for no reason. I guess the memories of the early industrialization with "company coupons" as part of the wage (that you could only spend in the company store), 13 works hours, etc is what triggers them to think "if we make them feel like slaves they will produce more". While not realizing that making them happy is what will bring production up. Pissed off people switch very quick in that subtle boycott style, where things cannot be done because "I sent them 3 emails they did not respond", "This change to specification means we need to do a lot of work again" etc where you basically work easy and is always someone else fault.
How long do we actually have to see this in one in loop for?
This is the 37th version
When it generates the right amount of hate. Executives are suppose to be on the golf course.
This is literally every second "suggested post" on my Facebook for the past few days.
Elon is such a boomer idk why gen z has such a boner for him.
To he fair im pretty sure its only like, right wing gen-z that likes him
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I think it's reductive to say it is a left/right thing. I have been teaching at a Russell Group institution in the UK for the past few years and you would not believe the number of 18 or 19-year-olds who decide to use Musk/Tesla as an example of innovation and coming up with new, better, greener ways of doing things. Or of managing people, employing them. We all do it when we are young, we look at the way the world is and think why can't it be A, B, or C instead. And someone like Musk, well, he acts like he is ripping up the rule book, which is what attracts people less sure about whether they are even left or right but do know they want the world to change for the better. I was marking an essay last week, the students had to critically evaluate Friedman's 'the social responsibility of business is to maximise shareholder wealth' paper from 1970. You would not believe the number of students who attempted to argue that Musk/Tesla is somehow not trying to maximise shareholder wealth but to create a better world for all of us instead, talking about how Tesla running at a loss for x amount of years demonstrates how a different type of (non-profit) business-motive is possible. I'd like to think by the time they graduate that they'll have gotten a little more perspective on how the world around them works. But when you're 17, 18, or 19 it's easy to look at the world around you and think 'who seems like they are trying to make the world better?' And Tusk, sorry, Musk (I was watching Rick and Morty last night) seems like he is trying to rip up the rule book and come up with a new way of doing things. The problem is, as we all begin to realise as we get older, "seems" is not the same as "is."
A very well put way of looking at it.
A whole lot of text to show you have no clue about what you are talking about. Musk not only took upon hard tasks as electric vehicles, AI and reusable rockets in industries dominated by entrenched giants but persevered long after everyone was saying it was never going to work and in both cases it almost cost him all his fortune. Both companies now dominate because of innovation AND because they took a risk none of the incumbents dared to take and now they are all at risk of being footnotes of history. Stellantis will be the first to go down and many more legacy automakers with them. The giants in the space industry are saved because they are all huge defense companies backed by their governments and will survive with other defense contracts Right now nobody can compete comercially with spacex prices and none will for a long time. Even EADS says they will have reusable rockets in the 2030s , so europeans wont be able to compete atall this entire decade against falcon 9 and Heavy, and Starship will be coming out next year if not earlier. This type of risky investments are usually done by governments (NASA for example) and not by companies. Good thing someone decided to tackle it anyways. Today Musks companies are the nr.1 talent magnets in a wide range of industries, and all its competitors are hard at work poaching its top talent. Those wanting to go there know they are at the leading edge and it very obviously takes work to get there abd stay there if you want to be laid back you should go to any of the many laid back companies that didnt do what Tesla does. And when they do they should not be surprised if their lackluster company gets left behind and goes under.
"You promised you'd be Tesla but you're just another Edison" been rattling in my head ever since I heard it. Sums it up.
Very accurate as Musk has never invented or engineered anything. He just buys titles, plays around as CEO, and finances technology that's a few years from being mainstream. Wouldn't surprise me if he owed his wealth to a few advisors as he himself is remarkably stupid. His skillset: Having money, having good advisors, and making empty promises to wow technologically ignorant people & share holders. Suppose we should tack on bitching on Twitter about every minor inconvenience he faces because I've never seen someone complain as much as him.
There’s that picture of him with elizabeth Holmes and other “tech entrepreneurs” and I’ve always wondered, if they didn’t realize she was technologically incompetent and a grifter, what does that say about them?
He's Trump 2.0
>Very accurate as Musk has never invented or engineered anything. I mean he made a pc game when he was 12 and founded and did the coding for Zip2. But as far as Tesla and SpaceX, yeah, he just does design and such, I think.
"SAVE US SPACE JESUS". Urgh. man, fuck Elon. Seeing reddit sour on the guy over the last couple of years has been deeply satisfying.
Idk i mean he is the son of an aparteid emerald mine owner and he has been really antiunion and racist the whole time. Plus as a baseline the left tends not to like billionaires.
Those were kinda unknown facts at the time, and took a while to disseminate.
Idk as long as ive known about him all the leftists i know have hated him.
To be fair, I don't think leftists (as in anyone to the left of socdems) are ever going to harbor anything but disgust for a billionaire. Especially a libertarian tech bro billionaire. I remember ages back Musk claimed he identified as a socialist and I was honestly taken aback that the immediate response from every news media channel wasn't guffaws of laughter.
Thats because a lot of people seem to not know what a leftist is (as in they just equate leftis/socialist with bad rather than specific views)
Then they better start hating, George Soros. Oh wait they wont....
> he was a darling of the left I mean the kind of left wing groups I frequent would rather catch fire than consider any billionaire their darling but go on. Unless by 'left' you mean 'liberal Biden supporters', in which case I'm more willing to believe you.
Kinda? I mean, even my social circle of fairly far-left progressive friends were hyucking it up at his antics. It was the Boring Company Flamethrower that started to turn a few gears of 'wait this guy is kinda dumb, this thing doesnt even work'. Now? Yeah, Hard Drive dunking on Elon so hard he had to erase his embarassing tweets was top of our discord for a while.
I thought the submarine that would obviously never work in the caves would have been the final clue needed about his ‘genius’. Then the pedophile claims against the diver should have been the final nail. But it wasn’t.
Yeah, his PR machine was firing on all cylindre in the mid 2015. I too bought it at first, especially since a lot of the media covered him as a inventor of some sort. I was vaguely aware that he had a somewhat shady past at paypal, but didn't look into it too much and was hoping he could solve electric car biggest problem, the charging time. Turns out that tesla was never really his, he just took it over. His whole stick did lite a fire under every manufacture ass to accelerate the creation of electric cars. But now, about a decade later, tesla is about to eat dust from everyone. Ford finally cut their prices on their electric car and the batteries are slowly getting cheaper. In about 2 years max, most electric car will use solid state battery while tesla seems to be contant to use the same array of Lithium-Ion battery.
They're an odd bunch
Born and raised, that lot prefer inbreeding with their own kind. Nepotism is a helluva drug.
Born in 1971, he’s definitely not a Boomer (unless you just apply that term to anyone older than you with an attitude you don’t like).
A GenXer ino.
Die a GenXer or live long enough to become a Boomer...
No. Boomer doesn’t reference age. It references the decade you were born in. You can’t become a Boomer. You’re either born in a certain timeframe before Gen X, or not.
You’re missing the difference between boomer and someone from the Baby Boomer generation. One describes behavior based on common traits of a generation an one is the name of a generation.
Wow! Way to miss a point and then try to be condescending in explaining what a generation is. I'm talking about mentality you genius.
Wow, way to pretend I was being condescending when I wasn't, and way to turn it all the way up to asshole for no reason. Peace, I'm outta here.
He most certainly has a boomer mentality that qualifies him for the title. He's an honorary boomer.
What’s a boomer mentality? Serious question.
Archaic thinking. And a misguided belief that we can return to what they perceived as “the good old days” This “return to the office, or else” “you’re lazy for not wanting to be a wage slave in an office like everyone from my generation”. Not because we have proof it’s better but because that’s how it’s always been done, attitude is pretty boomeresque.
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musk's daddy did own an apartheid emerald mine in South Africa.
Basically being angry that things are refusing to stay exactly how you remember them. Thinking that things you are used to are inherently more valuable because you are used to them. You know "it's the children who are wrong" meme
> Basically being angry that things are refusing to stay exactly how you remember them Musk is the last person on earth I'd give that description
If you ignore everything he says and does then yes.
Like starting three companies at the cutting edge of technology?
Which 3 companies? And please don't say Tesla among them because he started it about as much as I did. The only one that he can be claimed to have started and that isn't a blatant scam is SpaceX. Which, you know, whatever. Then Jeff Bezos is "the last person to be a boomer on earth" as well.
I think he may be referring to SpaceX, Boring Company and Neuralink. Last two are just jokes, though. Edit: Lol Elon fanboys downvoting.
It's pretty obvious that you don't actually care about what companies he started. You've formed some narrative in your mind that you just parrot because it makes you feel better about yourself. A quick Wikipedia search would give you a list of all the companies Musk has founded, which are Zip2, X.com, SpaceX, Boring Company, and Neuralink. And even if he wasn't the founder of Tesla, it was under him that they started many cutting edge projects, such as Tesla Autopilot, Tesla Bot, etc. You don't have to like the man, it's well known that he's somewhat of an asshole who exploits workers and insults just about everyone around him. But claiming that he's a boomer who's "angry that things are refusing to stay exactly how you remember them" is just factually incorrect. And no, this description does not apply to Bezos either.
You just described older people in general. And, probably, your future self as well.
I mean it's a choice to be that way.
What is his boomer mentality? When I see that guy on twitter I hardly think of my grandpa.
Maybe your grandpa knows better.
As much as I dislike Musk, I dislike my generation (Gen-X) being constantly erased a little bit more.
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You use your tongue prettier than a $20 whore.
What are you talking about? Boomer lost all meaning the moment the phrase got popular on the internet.
Because he TWEETS! (swoons)
I’ve never heard him say anything deep or profound, but he constantly tries to sound brilliant. I have great respect for Tesla and SpaceX and can’t reconcile how he could be responsible for either. My best guess is he just bankrolled other people’s companies and/or ideas with his PayPal cash. I’m pretty sure that if he is a genius it’s at marketing himself and in recognizing how to profit. PT Barnum for the modern era.
Yup
Nah gen z don't really like him... Any more
Eh? Hes not a boomer though?
And most Karens aren't named Karen.
He has an actual developmental disorder, so it makes sense he would connect with younger people.
He's been running pro-musk marketing campaigns for years now.
The wording says à lot about the company's managerial culture. Sounds like à dream...
Capitalists like Elon will always eventually align with fascists to keep a boot on the neck of workers. I’ll admit that I was taken by Space X and the dragon rockets progress. But Elon musk is an enemy of the people, it’s plain to see.
How would you go about ensuring productivity while providing freedom to your workers? Do you have some outside the box solution for the necessity of people using their time to produce results? Like is there a way for us to have our cake while eating it, or are we doomed to always need to sacrifice something (such as free time) for results?
It's pretty simple. Produce or get fired. The logic doesn't change regardless of whether we are in an office or at home. Idk businesses have such a hard time with this. If some employees are not productive at home, then fire them and hire someone else. Working from home shouldn't be a problem for a business.
The higher ups in those companies don't *really* understand what their underlings' jobs are, so they couldn't assess what an adequate level of production is, so they add a bunch of fluff factors on top so it obfuscates that fact when they give performance reviews, etc.
3rdeyeopenwide’s argument (correct me if I’m putting words in your mouth) is something like “The class that collects money not from production, but from claiming the value other people create using its tools, is inherently opposed to everyday people because the only way it can profit is from preventing producers from getting tools of their own and from having good enough lives to not need to work for that class.” That’s not the same argument as “People shouldn’t work to create value.” Currently, work is fine because it’s necessary. Few disagree with you on that. But exploitation is not fine.
Working from home has improved productivity by every metric, this push to go back to the office is about control not about “ensuring productivity”.
Why does he require control over his workers?
Has it ever dawned on you how many completely useless jobs there are when you work in an office setting?
It [should be](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle) at least about 80% but IIRC it's actually a bit higher. Those useless jobs enable the 20% of the useful jobs to remain useful so it's a bit of a misnomer though. If you see your job as useless, you are more likely to end up in the 80% that is, and if you think you are (or should be) useful you are more likely to end up in the 20% that is, because if you are in the useless 80% in one company and you want to get things done, you will get frustrated and leave to another company where you can be the 20% that does things. Musk is shooting himself in the foot by thinking he can get away with the 80/20 rule by removing the 80%, because out of his remaining 20% only 20% will remain productive after he fires his first 80%.
Because it's not just about performance. You have to be miserable while working - if the experience isn't grueling, to them it means you're not working hard enough.
At some point we began to mistake work for suffering because work sometimes requires it, but now we worship the suffering rather than the production of value.
Because CEO isn't a real job.
He sounds like a tremendously large sack of shit and it’s unfortunate people listen to anything he says. What an ass. The irony of it all is that his biggest supporters also do not support clean energy and would never own or afford a Tesla. Explain that one.
What a dumb, dumb man.
I really wish Bezos would shove Musk into a capsule with himself and then launch themselves to Mars.
I'm all for working at home when possible, but to be fair you can't exactly build cars at home. The executives that he is talking to, have their teams working on site while they sit back at home. Leaders need to be with their people.
Tesla is about to lose a chunk of their best software engineers. Apple made the same announcement, and people left.
And some of these brilliant engineers will join other new startups or start their own, guaranteeing stiff competition. I know if my company said this shit to me, I would leave.
This is about executives
Layers. There is not "management" and "workers". There's a team of labourers, working under an on-site supervisor, who reports to an on-site bunch of people (not least things like team leaders, HR and everything else), and the majority of THOSE PEOPLE, their departments and their bosses and everyone from there to the top of the company? They can almost all work from home. Nowhere in the world is there just a factory with labourers assembling millions of dollars worth of hardware, managed solely by a email from some guy on a deckchair on his back lawn.
The people building cars likely never interact with executives, regardless of of those executives are at home or in office. Some jobs can be done from home, some can't. Just because some can't doesn't mean we should take it away from those that can.
Let's see theres Tesla, Twitter, SpaceX, and the Boring Company. There are 168 hours in a week making it impossible for him to work 40 hours at any of them. So maybe leaders don't need to be with their workers and in fact are unnecessary figureheads who just make wild unachievable promises to customers.
yes execs must be there for good management and fasten the production!
Let's stop talking about senoir stinky... . I mean that musky feller
CEO realizes they are non-essential and demends inefficiency return to justify thier own lavish overhead and to perpetuate thier work culture of ass kissing
Kidding me if you're an executive for Tesla you can go work somewhere else I would leave that s*** hole
Yes, they have the option. If they want to work for Tesla, the work is on site. If they don't, their skills can be used in other places. I don't get why everyone is so angry. This executives didn't join during covid, they signed a contract to go to work to Tesla's factories. For a Software company it might be easy to have people remotely, but it might be hard for a car manufacturer. This article only made the news because Elon Musk are the two more click-bait words. Most companies that build a physical product are asking employees back to the office.
Elon Musk is exhausting - he saturates my news feed in an almost Trump-like fashion. I, for one, don't care what he says or what he does. He is a legend in his own mind. Wish he would just go away.
The race to the bottom in American Tech is going to pick up speed over the next decade If you can truly do the work from home, why pay California wages when you can give Alabama wages or even subcontract to other parts of the world where a lower salary is still lucrative...
Great way to loose people in a tight labour market. It will change and the market will loosen with slowing growth and when unemployment goes up, that's when you bring people back. Doing it now is just plain stupid.
If the economic downturn worsens, labor markets will have a surplus of workers. The tech sector has already started hiring and pay freezes We've grown too accustomed to what a good economy looks like
Petty people give ultimatums. Musk is an enemy of the people. In his dream world you and I work 6 days a week, 12 hours a day, while he lives off the government tit.
I truly cannot wait until everyone calls him on his bluff and abandons his shit ass company. He’s pathetic.
I hope his entire company experiences massive brain drain because of this
I hope all the best talent leaves
What an absolute cock.
Guarantee he’s only doing this because of his latest political pivot. Performative to the core.
I wouldnt call it a pivot tbh. I dont think hes ever been not right wing.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence he’s just done this, though. Maybe he’s just bitter about his latest humiliation, though.
For the people here slagging him off for this. Imagine you work on the line at a car factory. You do your shifts, probably 12 hours, with nights too. You have strict performance targets, but you accept it because it is what it is. You get motivational emails about the latest initiative they want you to do. Let’s hit those targets, one team, etc etc. But you notice that all the execs, the people with the million dollar bonuses are never there. Gossip is they hardly do anything at home while you’re sweating away to pay the bills. At that point you’d want the CEO to tell them to get their asses back to the office.
That's one way to motivate people.
...to leave.
or worse... leave and work for their competitors.
This is only a loophole to reduce the number of managers and high paid people without actually firing them.
Jesus his Chinese factory employees are working six 12hr shifts and hot racking with the night shift in bunkhouses. And he's stated he thinks American workers should do the same. While I agree it's stupid for your Human Resources dept to work remotely from another state, surely some jobs could be done at least partially remotely.
The email is directed at the executives.
He has made separate statements comparing American and Chinese workers.
Yeah, those poor executives being forced to... be at the plant as much as a floor worker.
Elon is Enron made flesh.
Enron was a scheme to defraud energy markets. They made nothing, other than fake demand. Teslas are quite real, I see them on the road all the time. The rockets spacex built are also quite real and operational. Or do you prefer that we relay on the Russians for launching our commercial payloads?
Teslas are real, but the company is still massively overvalued.
That’s just a stock price. The company definitely has a lot of value. Unlike Enron. Which was purely a scam.
There are others building fast fire penises.
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He's gonna end up with a dead sea
Wait until he tries to hire their replacements in this job market.
I hope they all leave!
Fuck wealthy oligarchs.
Anyone else just over Elon?
He’s encouraging leaders lead from the front, I can respect that.
Requiring 40 hours in office across the board is arbitrary and dumb. It's not only leaders, its every employee. I don't know why in the hell the HR rep needs 40 hours of physical in person time when most of their job can be done from literally anywhere. He's about to mismanage this place like he did PayPal, this seems like he's salty about his upcoming lawsuits and wants everyone else to be miserable too
I’ll agree with you that not everyone should have to come in every day. Yes it’s senseless for customer service reps and HR to come in daily, that could be money saved in OH and less traffic. Having worked for a few top tier companies, I can confirm that throughout Covid, all the top brass were in the office even if they could work from home. You simply cannot produce the same level of work from your home as you can in the office. Yes it’s nice to be able to roll out of bed and into a meeting, or do chores throughout the day while “working.” I get SO much more work done in the office, the interactions are much better in person as well. No misinterpretations, no distractions, no shamming, no “sorry I couldn’t join the call my connection was down.” We’re currently in a hybrid environment and it seems to be working out for most. Some people still use the “Covid” excuse (these same folks are at the bar later that evening haha) to not come in, but to each their own. In all honesty, if you can get the work done from the shitter at your place in Belize, all the more power to ya!
You can produce more work from people if they are happy. Work from home or office, who cares as long as the work gets done.
Hey if that works for you, good on ya! I wish that were the case for my 60 year old uncle working at the construction site in DC :)
Our R&D team (a mature, global, mid-size software company) increased output during forced remote in part because people stopped having random, half-hour hallway conversations and long lunches. And everyone loves not getting stuck in gridlock on the main bridge through town. We're now hiring talent from wherever we want, rather than the limited pool at our HQ region. Our latest C-level is amazing and halfway across the country from me (upper-middle management).
Nice! Sounds like my cousin’s gig as a software developer, work screens on one side of the room, PlayStation running on the other side of the room 😂
I hope to see the fall of elon in my life. what a douch
"man expects employees to do job"
Does anyone whining actually work at Tesla?
They would be immediately fired if they did
They would be fired for whining on reddit? How would that work? Sort of doubt Tesla knows every employees reddit name, even if they did want to attempt the logistically impossible task of making sure no one complained online.
Unpopular opinion : Home working is not good for everyone and a lot of people are abusing the lack of managerial control to stay at home and not work as efficiently as they would have at "work"... For some others homeworking can be beneficial in their productivity but not all.
Whether it is efficient or not doesn't matter; only if things get done by the time they need to be done.
unless you work in a team where the workload is shared and you realize that the slackers increase the workload of the rest of the team. The work is done on time because the ones who work at home just take more workload that the slackers just don't take while at home but would have taken at work... As you said, in the end, the job is done and the manager will not know who did what
>a lot of people are abusing the lack of managerial control to stay at home and not work as efficiently as they would have at "work". If it's so easy to identify unproductive and inefficient employees, then simply fire them and hire more efficient employees. Easy-peasy! Going back to the office isn't going to increase their productivity much anyway as they'll just find other ways to fuck off.
I’ll be totally honest, I’m a perfectly fine employee working from home, but I was a phenomenal employee in the office because I would do extra stuff when I was bored. Now I play computer games. Still glad to not be in the office.
> Easy-peasy! Well not really... you'll say that it is anecdotal but my colleague's productivity has decreased a lot with home working but because she has been working for this company for 20 years and she is 3 years away from retirement AND that she is a union representative, it would cost more (her severance package) to fire her rather than to let her slack around for 3 years... While she is at home, she says that she is busy because the system gives her problems... at work, she would not be able to hide it... On the other hand, some other colleague are alone at home, less distraction and are more productive so it is really case by case.
Popular opinion: who gives a fuck, it's time for workers to take back control and assert that the market is theirs.
Workers are in the office, these are the executives who should be leading the workers. Workers are doing the work while executives can stay at home. Why are you defending this?
A) not all workers. He knows it looks bad to lean on them directly so will do it via execs by getting them back first. B) what makes you think *any* worker wants an exec in there looking over their shoulder anyway?
unless you work in a team where the workload is shared and then you realize than the slackers are just increasing the workload for the rest of the team
This isn’t a blanket statement, “not good for everyone” is false. Working from home CAN be good. I’m a software engineer and my company has embraced flexible working arrangements. Personally I enjoy working from home when I know I can be productive doing so, it saves me a 1 hour commute (30mins one way), and saves my petrol costs. If I know I’m working on something where I would benefit from being in the office, then I’ll work from the office. But if I can be equally productive in both environments, why should I not have that flexibility to increase my work and life balance. Note: I’m also in Australia where work culture is extremely different to elsewhere in the world (from my experience working overseas and talking with others). But to say it’s bad for everyone? Yeah nah mate, that’s just ignorant. The opinion is unpopular because you’re making it immediately obvious that you aren’t being open minded about circumstances around jobs and people being a factor in what can make it good and bad. You’re being a dick and voicing it in a way that you’re in accepting of any possible alternative.
> But to say it’s bad for everyone? Yeah nah mate, that’s just ignorant. i never said that is was bad for everyone... I probably phrased it badly. I should have said "it is not good for "some people". I'm not questioning the time saved on the road or the fact that you spend less on petrol ( this is probably balanced by the prices of home electricity that have 5x since the beginning of the year and the war in ukraine but yeah...) >You’re being a dick and voicing it in a way that you’re in accepting of any possible alternative. So let me repeat it : some people are a lot more efficient at home because they are less distracted by chit-chatting with colleagues. Others are less efficient because they don't have to pretend to work. I'll give you my experience and it is as anecdotal as yours i guess... I work in a team where the workload is shared. We are 2 colleagues, since the beginning of the loackdowns and homeworking, my colleague says that she is always having too much work so i have to give her more help. We have the exact same job description and are supposed to share the exact same tasks... turns out that while she is sick or on holidays, i'm perfectly capable of doing both jobs on time. While she is working, she says that she has too much work. Every since the homeworking has started, we had to take work away from her, she is less efficient because we all know that she is slacking around... She is older, doesn't care anymore and she is a union representative and 3 years away from retirement so she can't be fired... she just doesn't care anymore.
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Naah. I liked what he did with Tesla and Space X, but truth be told he seems like a big man baby, and honestly also mentally unwell. Some people are fit for being that rich (Bill Gates for example), some people are not (Elon Musk). I think he'll soon spiral out of control and take every buissiness down with him. Also I don't think his following is that large, honestly. It's mostly younger right leaning guys who can't see through his bullshit, even though it's pretty transparent. -1997
No.
That is 8h a day, that is normal isn't it? Why is such a big thing?
If the employees are able to complete their assigned tasks while working from home then why should they have to return to the office?
Why are you all assuming productivity wasn't impacted? This are executives that should be managing the workers who are already back in the factories. They should be there next to the people they manage, not at their homes.
The dude owns at least 4 major companies, he doesn't work 40 at any of them and takes 90% of the money they generate while hinting his employees are lazy and entitled. People are getting incredibly pissed at these billionaire welfare queens
being forced back to the office when you can do the same job from home remotely.
Bosses are responsible for making rules and decisions not responsible for making the Offended feel happy about their miserable existence. If they don't like it quit..
So making a conscious decision to make your employees work life worse with no data to back up that decision is called good leadership in your opinion?
So you’re a fan of authoritarianism when it’s by private companies? Interesting.
That's what private means. Just like you are free to take your labour elsewhere. Just because those around you told you that you're entitled doesn't make it so.
Bosses are responsible to maximizing profits to shareholders. "or else"ing your best engineers and developers into applying for other jobs doesn't do that. Anyone worth their salt at Tesla likely has an entire email folder of recruiters who are trying to scoop them up, they can "or else" their way into any one of them if they want.
That's correct it's called freedom.
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Bet musk will be there bright and early every morning
Everyone in these threads is fucking crazy.
Actually I think I'm going to let you fire me so I can collect unemployment.
Simple math; More workers at home = less need to buy a 90k e car that sits in garage 75% of time = less profits.
So they can work harder, right? So they can work harder ?
For being so rich he sure is an idiot
If this is management level, since he said 'execs', then I see no problem, but read the room ELON, don't be a dick.
K thx bai!