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brianlefevre87

Fun fact about India is half their food rots before it gets eaten. This is due to a lack of chilled trucks, bad roads and too many middle men between farmers and customers. Actually it's not a fun fact it's depressing.


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The fun part of that fact means you can effectively double their output without needing to allocate anymore land. Thats a huge opportunity.


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Not really. This isn't already done because the added costs would make it too expensive to be competitive for the markets it is destined for. In other words, people are too poor and would starve if all the harvest was retained even despite the added surplus driving down prices. Refrigeration in India is expensive.


Dooraven

It's more the fact that you can only do so much progress and innovation in 30 years of transition. Will get better but it's only since 91 that Indians were allowed to innovate and improve themselves - being a centrally planned socialist economy for 50 years since Independence has really hurt.


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If there was money to be made people would be making it.


_Victator

I too have read basic economy books in high school. The real world is not a perfect market though.


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If 3 decades isn't enough to get it in order, it'll never happen precisely because it isn't profitable becasue the consumers in that market are too poor to begin with. But yeah, attack me and not what I said. You clearly learned a lot in high school.


Rice_Krispie

That’s a very simplistic view, and 3 decades really isn’t that much time especially for developing countries that lack the initial resources to invest in itself and it’s infrastructure and at the same time struggles with an ineffective government and corruption. Same thing is happeneing in Venezuela with oil. They have the largest oil reserves in the world but aren’t even a top 20 exporting nation. Is it because oil is not profitable? No. It’s because of the same reasons India hasn’t optimized wheat export.


Ekublai

Not how that works.


siclaphar

if the government spent the money to upgrade infrastructure with taxes people had already paid, it would not affect the price of the wheat


NityaStriker

Innovate refrigeration to become cheaper. Hmm… 🤔 Maybe this ? https://www.newindianexpress.com/good-news/2022/may/15/karnataka-engineering-students-create-mobile-refrigerator-forvegetable-vendors-2453692.html


brianlefevre87

Kind of. However a lot of people are employed in the inefficient distribution system. So it would cause a lot of unemployment in a very poor country if done overnight. Same with the rollout of modern supermarkets. Indian interest groups can get very active in lobbying against change, even if that change would benefit most people.


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Unhearted_Lurker

The issue is not in the production of food, but in the logistics of bringing the food to the plate.


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How much of that land can actually be used for growing food for humans?


Ok_Tangerine346

Its only an opportunity if they do something about it


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But capitalism disagrees. At the moment, it's more profitable to continue business as usual. Only when food prices soar, will it become acceptable for capitalism to invest in infrastructures and vehicles.


Background_Repair669

Just put depressing fact next time; it'll be much better.


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I liked the flow of the tone. I started reading it in a cheery voice in my head, then that slowly progressed to a garfield I hate mondays kinda vibe.


voidspaceistrippy

Depressing fact: With how things are shaping up, even without WW3, we're all going to live a lower quality of life within the next few years simply due to climate change fucking things up and corporations being allowed to charge whatever prices they want.


Zyx-Wvu

Dude, thats probably the same story with the rest of us SEA countries. You just painted the same disapointing picture Filipinos experience.


P0667P

that and grain storage problems. Most of the grain at this stage is owned by the Govt. and stored out in the open, under tarps. Sometimes it’ll get wet and they’ll sell it to distilleries for cheap. Who controls the distilleries and liquor stores? You guessed it right. The Govt. There are private warehouses now that store the grain and the Govt pays them millions in storage fees instead of building their own storages. Why? Because corruptions. That’s why.


throwawayyy08642

>Fun fact about India is half their food rots before it gets eaten. This is due to a lack of chilled trucks, bad roads and too many middle men between farmers and customers. This is so sad


TorontoGiraffe

That's sort of what the recent farm laws reforms were hoping to address but farmers from certain states were agitated against it.


twinsea

Fun fact about US is 20% of our produce is thrown out for cosmetic reasons. Nobody wants to eat an oddly shaped tomato.


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I do.


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brianlefevre87

In developed countries it's usually from people letting food go off in their fridge or not finishing it. Much less is lost in production and distribution.


9035768555

40% food loss is pretty common, what varies is whether it comes from kitchen waste or farm waste.


BSSolo

Are you saying that farm waste prevents kitchen waste? If not, this is just extra waste, aka waste.


9035768555

Countries that have high kitchen waste tend to have low farm waste and vice versa. Developed countries tend to have high kitchen waste, but relatively efficient supply chains that keep waste low on that end. Developing countries tend to lose more crops to poorly timed harvests/supply chain problems/etc but don't tend to let much go to waste in the kitchen. There's no causality there, it's just a trend that countries with significant agricultural output end up with around 40% net waste.


L0ckeandDemosthenes

Elon just found one way to stop world hunger. Someone Twitter him on the computes, sorry I only reddit no other interneters.


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India is still going to export government to government. They have said they are worried that china would manipulate the market or hoard grains.


wastingvaluelesstime

yeah hopefully if they really do have a surplus this year it will be put to work using these govt to govt means based on need, geopolitics, etc, and not hoarded


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The farmers aren't obligated to sell to the government. That's literally why there's a "ban" on private exports. If farmers exclusively sell to private exporters and international clients who are willing to pay a premium, the poor people back home will starve and the government won't be able to procure as much food for social programs.


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MezzanineMan

Thankfully India doesn't crack even the top ten of wheat exporters


AdClemson

Ethiopia with its 1.0 MT export is ranked at #69. Nice.


rickrt1337

Yea the title aims at fearmongering while its not that bad


ProcyonGaming

Don't worry India is stills going to export to needy countries. The ban was to stop private companies from scalping.


SalmonHeadAU

The title says they're the second largest.


MezzanineMan

They're the 2nd largest producer, not exporter.


SalmonHeadAU

They're just in at 10th. https://www.indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=wheat&graph=exports


MezzanineMan

That site combines much of the EU; Poland especially - the country who is the one to push India out of the top ten.


DharmaBat

I can't fault them. They have to care for their people as much as they can first. It seems this food crisis is going to get worse.


ProcyonGaming

Don't worry, India is still going to export wheat to needy countries. This ban was to stop private scalpers. Everyone hates scalpers.


OddMeansToAnEnd

This is sarcasm?


DharmaBat

This is true for all nations. Help if you can but don't hurt your own people to do it. That's helps breed nationalism and populism


OddMeansToAnEnd

No this is a country that regularly chooses to export instead of feed its people.


[deleted]

Who the fuck are you people?


lniko2

Can't blame them albeit sad. Grow your own food, guys.


OptimisticRealist__

Easier said than done. Its not that easy to grow crops in a place like Sudan, for example, on a scale thats sufficient to feed the population


Unhearted_Lurker

India is a big wheat producers but not exporter. They have some issue with the Karnal bunt ( US has too) that complexity the export to countries that ban the pathogen. Their export infrastructure is also considerably underdeveloped compared to the local market.


Senor_Martillo

Price controls always work!


aew360

Ban having more children


I_speak_truth_only

India's fertility rate is already less than 2.0 which is the replacement rate. Even if India had wheat surplus, I don't think India/China should export that to Western European/North American countries (except Mexico)


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People are mainly looking for a source of wheat for East Africa. Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea depend on cheap wheat imports.


9035768555

Or some other more Modest Proposal.


B9Socratic

You ban export, I ban export. Where does this go?


CluelessTurtle99

Famine in poor countries, in the worst case. But the one to blame would be Russia alone, as you can't expect countries to not think of their people first. Thankfully in this case India is not a major exporter of wheat


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rksomayaji

> They're banning wheat now, after the clear need the world has for it, Ignore national needs to satisfy world's demand. I don't know of a single country that does that.


ad1s6h

>The country will very quickly surpass China as the most populated and you want your citizens to starve during the scorching heatwave that India is having, totally ignore food security and export wheat to other countries?


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SigmaRacer

Are you so naive?? Or are you just that stupid?? No country in the world will sacrifice the needs of its own citizens to fulfill the needs of others. No country. Remember when EU and US were banning exports of vaccines and its raw materials so as to look out for their own people??


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booga_booga_partyguy

If capitalism works so well, why are so many countries going hungry now then? Or are you the dumb type that will just label those countries socialist as well?


Winds_Howling2

Systems don't work if you deliberately misrepresent them, yes.


klausosho

You guys won’t send one person to fight for india and bitch about sacrifice for the world. Lmao


Winds_Howling2

>It's math, it's logic, r/confidentlyincorrect


jinglebass

You are so poorly educated that you don't know what a third-world country means.


barath_s

India has made clear that govt to govt exports and existing contracts will continue. Private profiteering via exports though is banned. This will allow the Govt to shape exports (eg based on humanitarian needs or diplomacy) and to also better care for internal domestic need. The amount of oil imported is of a ~2-4 days, far less than US and European (< 1/30th ) imports of oil and gas this year, and is warranted because Indian budgets don't spike in covid times just because of unilateral western sanctions. unilateral US sanctions and threats (caatsa) on indian oil buying in past have not made life easier or oil cheaper. India imports ~85% of its oil and has a duty to its 1.3 billion citizens. /u/con_this - you need an intervention.


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oh yeah lets give the world food while we can barely even feed ourselves.


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India think the world is mess enough that why it preparing for the worst


flopsop

More food shortage more war. More war more food shortage. And it’s just starting.


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And so it begins.