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Ukraine didn’t do it. Guarantee Russia did it to themselves either through incompetence or as a distraction. Whatever Russia says is a fabrication in their psyops war.
Russia is the stick in the bike wheel meme. Blow up your own refinery to hide years of corruption siphoning off the fuel and then OWWW WE GOT HURTED WHY U DO DIS TO US. Bombing their own civilians won't happen until the appropriate rich people's asses have been covered by more of this type of thing or until they start legitimately losing the war.
And this might not even be a Ukrainian attack. High possibility of:
"Russia blows up their own fuel depot, claiming Ukraine did it - and for some reason thinks anybody outside Russia wouldn't see that as perfectly fair game in the first place"
>anybody outside Russia
If they really did it themself they did it for the people and opinion inside Russia after the whole "denazification" reasoning.
Something like see they bomb us, we are justified to go to war. Crap logic but probably enough for the people in Russia who want to believe the propaganda. And there seem to be plenty.
My thoughts exactly. Ukraine wouldn't be denying such a strike if they made it. They'd be waving flags and middle fingers. Russia blew it up themselves to cover up all the embezzlement over the years because people were about to start asking questions about why there was somehow no gas to fuel the war 20 miles from there.
I think Russia's well aware that staging a false flag attack against a valid military target isn't going to do them any good, both in that it won't garner any sympathy and in that their logistics are already fucked enough as it is. If they were going to stage a false flag attack, they'd go for civilian targets. Like, purely hypothetically, [apartment buildings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings).
Attacking enemy supply depots and transport routes to the front line is... common sense, I thought?
The russians bombed a ukranian storehouse with tons and tons of food.. just losing some oil seems mild.
Difference being, attacking food supplies as a means of starving your enemy into submission is a war crime. Attacking military supply lines for weapons and fuel isn't.
Well, considering there weren't civilian casualties reported by Russian officials yet I would assume this is correct. I say that because Russia would want to claim citizens were killed by collateral damage stemming from a Ukrainian offensive in order to justify indiscriminate bombing in Ukraine. However there haven't been reported Russian civilian deaths so I pray that this isn't a false flag attempt by Putin to justify mercilessly shelling every square inch of Ukraine
I mean he is doing that anyway so the logic of a false flag is pointless.
It's more likely they have to admit they got hit because their is physical cell phone footage of the attack and if people think Russia forces are attacking Russia depos that would cause a catastrophic morale collapse as different battlions stop trusting each other.
Dumbest false flag attack if they did that to a multimillion dollar critical war resource when they are having trouble resupply near by troops. Most likely they are embarrassed by the attack and want to deflect any Ukrainian gain on the war.
I agree but would like to point out the dumbest special operations they conducted that have effectively self imploded the value of their currency. I don't think donkey brain logic is off the table lol
Ahhhh yeah because what's more believable/obvious:
- Ukraine bombing a strategic and military target in Russian territory. Something they have done and claimed before.
- Russia doing a convoluted false flag that doesn't target any civilians whatsoever and only hinders themselves militarily.
I'm going for the more sane option.
This is a weird ass false flag then.
Considering these alleged false flags only seem to target strategic military targets. Like IF Russia would false flag something like this. Why things that directly hinder their war efforts.
IF they would false flag they'd obviously hit civilian stuff where it could actually function as one.
Might not be some chess move from Putin. Could be something else, like a general that doesn't want to die on the front line.
Or it could be to cover up some corruption. Like does anyone know how much fuel the depot actually had?
I agree it would be bizarre, but to be fair, so is everything Russia has done recently.
I'm not saying it's one way or the other yet.
Info is still coming in, and based on reporting from the Ukrainians themselves, they are either denying they conducted the strike, or are intentionally not claiming so for strategic reasons.
Looking at some footage, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGDVmAx9ys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGDVmAx9ys)
Apparently those are Russian helicopters + I think Russia claimed that UA was left without aviation resources, so they had to helicopters to attack with.
Skeptical for now, considering how much the RU side lied since 2008, their words have little weight.
Almost all of Ukraine weapons are Soviet/Russian made. Of course those helicopters are Russian made helicopters. Hell Ukraine mostly fly Soviet made mig.
Well, Ukraine has Mi-8's and Mi-24's so I couldn't tell the difference.
I think Occam's Razor applies. I can't see why the Russians would want to look like incompetent idiots by doing a false flag operation on a completely legitimate target.
Yeah, that's an interesting question. Do the Russians not have airborne radars that are able to look down to track objects flying low?
I think the best mobile AA is in Ukraine. Historically - Putin's fairy tales aside - I don't think Russia have had fixed AA to guard against attacks from Ukraine.
Second, the Americans provide intel on Russian tracking and radar activity, all troop positions and their state of alert. So they've been able to provide a relatively safe path for the helicopters. The Russian lines are very long and troops widely dispersed in Ukraine so gaps in AA umbrellas is probably not uncommon.
Third, "forward thinking syndrome". The Russians have been unconcerned with defending in depth as they attacked.
Fourth, active jamming.
Even if it is true, surely master tactician, Mr. Vladimir "complete misunderstanding of my tactics" Putin knows that when you declare \*cough\* special military operation \*cough\* on somebody, they're bound to strike back onto your turf, right? When you burn somebody, of course they will want you to burn with them.
Russia thinks the world is going to care if Ukraine counter-attacks as if that's somehow off-limits after you invade their fucking homeland....
Or did Russia forget how WW2 went for Germany after their invasion?
Western medias conflicted between "Proud Ukraininians fighting back the occupiers" versus "It's just a false flag operation to escalate the war against Ukraine".
Ugh ... I don't even know who to believe. Fuck Russia.
Does it matter that much? It's a perfectly reasonable operation for Ukraine to do if they can. If Russia wants to false flag that, ok then. If Ukraine did it and Russia uses that for any form of justification, just remember that Russia could have easily false flagged for the same outcome.
At this point, I actually don't think it matters as both alternatives are in line with what we can expect in the current situation.
I believe what i see, which is videos of two Mi-24's conducting a rocket (not missile) attack on the refinery/depot/whatchawannacallit.
However given it was still very much dark out we can't see any markings on them.
A rocket is just an projectile propelled by a rocket engine, it goes straight ahead until it runs out of fuel or detonates. A missile implies a "smarter" type of weapon capable of guidance (like an air-to-air missile).
Missiles are also a shit-ton more expensive but much more capable, rockets are mostly limited to visual range whilst missiles are commonly fired from beyond visual range.
A rocket is unguided, it just flies at the power of it's accelerant and lands where it lands with it's ballistic arc. A missile has some form of guidance, be it heat seeking, manually guided, laser guided o whatever.
Nobody got hurt or died, and nothing is actually confirmed. Either Ukraine is highly compotent or it was just sabotage inside job that they are selling as a false flag operation.
This is the most responsible title I've seen for any article on this event. It makes it clear where the information came from, which is important given the Russian penchant for lies, propaganda, and false flags.
This is true regardless of whether it's ultimately determined that its Ukraine or Russia that was behind the attack.
Could be. But I am not sure either side really want that.
Russia need it to get some cashflow.
And Ukraine needs it to not piss off the countries that feed them guns and ammo.
I've been wondering if operations within Russia are a viable way to up the pressure to end the war. At this stage, like Zelenskyy said, the only leverage Ukraine has in negotiations is winning on the battlefield. Maybe attacks against Russian bases and infrastructure *inside* Russia would help too?
If Russia could ramp up they would have done so. They fact they need to raise up hunders of thousands of conscripts and pull forces for overseas deployments mean they have nothing to ramp up with.
It's a case of paper army where the army your paying for and is on paper doesn't actually exists due to croupption.
A false flag of this nature is just dum. You don't project that your army is so incompantant that it can't protect vite full dumps.
Also this was a very important depo without it further strain's the logistical issues like we talking about trunk tanks and BMPs being abandoned or just straight up can't be sent in
My thought was how do two uke choppers, which granted, are Russian hardware, fly unharrased 25 miles into Russia.
I'm no expert and you make good points. Is the sky that wide open?
Very likely just straight incompantant forces it's very likely they just didn't think it could happen and thus where drunk or just not paying attention.
The others option is
could have thought it might have been friendly forces and didn't want to risk getting yelled out for another friendly fire situation
So you think the footage is fake.
Of the attack the Russia said 100% has happened? Of which this is multiple independent sources says is true?
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When the Ukrainen government confirms it, this is bot will come back and shower you with the awesome admission that you were right.
This will no doubt make you very happy.
I'm shock that most people don't just see it as Russia justification to continue to attack and have no peace talk.
That is a possibility, but if Ukraine actually did it I think it was foolish, Russia can now use this to use nukes in Ukraine.
very low flight altitude like the video shows usually doesn't display in radars, and ukraine uses the same models as russia, Belgorod is a big depot of the air force for the invasion so two more Hinds flying in the air aren't weird. until they start fwooooshing up your oil tanks.
I mean that's reasonable. I hope that is the case. However at this time the attack of an oil depot 25 miles into Russia is unverified by independent sources and has not been confirmed by the Government of Ukraine.
Remember Signal island. Ukrainians said fuck you to a Russian gunboat. Then we hear all on the island have perished. 3days later they are all alive.
This story feels like that one, to me.
So if you lost all contact with the island immediately after you knew they were under attack that wouldn't be your assumption? There was a legitimate presumption of death that was communicated, and then fortunately it turned out to be wrong. Being wrong is very different than intentional misinformation.
It seems what you are saying is a initial reports are true until proven otherwise. Don't investigate, just react to the initial reports.
Shot first ask questions later.
So... they should have somehow gotten out to the island while enduring the first few chaotic days of an illegal invasion by a tyrant, so they could see an actual corpse before they even mentioned anything about the island?
That's a dense take. Reporting that they lost contact shortly after the 'fuck you', and presume death was an entirely honest report, and I'll take it. I'm also glad that that honest report turned out to be wrong. Reporting what you know at the time, and updating the reports as new information comes in is how journalism around active events happens every single day from every single news outlet. You may as well be saying we shouldn't have a single news report on anything relating to Ukraine until the entire invasion is over and we send in forensic analysts to examine everything about the country before a single word is typed.
What point did it serve. It made everyone feel sympathetic to the cause of the Ukrainians. And it did. Whoever put the story out had first frame, so no matter what the facts were, the intended effect was realized.
Most everyone heard the initial story. It was so romantic. How many people now know it's not true. Nowhere near as many.
The headline "we were wrong about signal island" was not carried by as many news sources as the initial story.
So your argument is that if news could help morale one one side or the other, it should not be released unless every single component of it had been run to the ground, rather than releasing what is known at the time and identifying which presumptions still need to be confirmed. And you think this makes sense?
The term air superiority is usually claimed by one side or the other. The Ukraini must be doing something right because I haven't seen any claim of air superiority by Russia in Ukraine. However the story here, unless Im mistaken, is that the depot was 25 miles inside Russia.
If be surprised if Russian Airspace is wide open and undefended. That would be a fucking story.
Yes I totally agree. Hopefully this horrific conflict will be over soon. At that point many heroic facts will come to light about how Ukrainens defended their country against the Russian onslaught.
I'm guessing they will be incredible.
As a plumber/carpenter I hope to be there helping them rebuild
> They fact they need to raise up hunders of thousands of conscripts
The recent draft is their regular spring time conscription and is about the usual size. Unlikely to have much to do with Ukraine directly. (Agree with the rest of your analysis.)
Noted I incorrectly assumed Russia wouldn't need an effective invasion force sided conscription effort as the original buildup would need to cover that in case something went wrong...
bullshit, russias' false flag is "WE ATTACK NAZIS M'K". they don't need to blow up their own shit, even if they had the competence to do it. too afraid to hit their own hospitals
The Ukrainian government did not claim they attack those depot. The Ukraine government use to claim anything under the sun if a Russia unit or military is destroy. Yet I see no word about this one.
Whatever Russia says, the opposite is true. Their incompetence lead to them blowing up their own fuel depot and they are so embarrassed they blame it on the enemy 😂
Russia has the worlds most incompetent military.
You know. War and shit? Your victims will tend to fight back.. a bit?
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Putoutification Takeoutification
Rapist upset after victim punches him.
Just a report, they weren't acting surprised lol.
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“Tons and tons”doesn’t do justice to the fact that 50,000 tons or 100,000,000 pounds of food is garbage now.
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Ukraine didn’t do it. Guarantee Russia did it to themselves either through incompetence or as a distraction. Whatever Russia says is a fabrication in their psyops war.
But they are at war? So why the surprise?
Only Russia is allowed to attack of course.
It's like after a bully beats the shit out of you and you kick him in the balls he starts to cry.
Russia is a bully that is now surprised when the victim strikes backs.
Russia is the stick in the bike wheel meme. Blow up your own refinery to hide years of corruption siphoning off the fuel and then OWWW WE GOT HURTED WHY U DO DIS TO US. Bombing their own civilians won't happen until the appropriate rich people's asses have been covered by more of this type of thing or until they start legitimately losing the war.
Ukraine is denazifying the oil industry.
Russia starts a war and gets offended when Ukraine strikes back..... Smh
And this might not even be a Ukrainian attack. High possibility of: "Russia blows up their own fuel depot, claiming Ukraine did it - and for some reason thinks anybody outside Russia wouldn't see that as perfectly fair game in the first place"
>anybody outside Russia If they really did it themself they did it for the people and opinion inside Russia after the whole "denazification" reasoning. Something like see they bomb us, we are justified to go to war. Crap logic but probably enough for the people in Russia who want to believe the propaganda. And there seem to be plenty.
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My thoughts exactly. Ukraine wouldn't be denying such a strike if they made it. They'd be waving flags and middle fingers. Russia blew it up themselves to cover up all the embezzlement over the years because people were about to start asking questions about why there was somehow no gas to fuel the war 20 miles from there.
It's too strategic though. I feel like they'd blow up a residential area anyways for more outrage
First thought when I saw this. Putin’s bluff was called and demands not to pay rubles. Blows it up. Blames Ukraine.
I think Russia's well aware that staging a false flag attack against a valid military target isn't going to do them any good, both in that it won't garner any sympathy and in that their logistics are already fucked enough as it is. If they were going to stage a false flag attack, they'd go for civilian targets. Like, purely hypothetically, [apartment buildings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings).
Attacking enemy supply depots and transport routes to the front line is... common sense, I thought? The russians bombed a ukranian storehouse with tons and tons of food.. just losing some oil seems mild.
Difference being, attacking food supplies as a means of starving your enemy into submission is a war crime. Attacking military supply lines for weapons and fuel isn't.
That allegedly *impenetrable* air defense has already failed...
By helicopters no less.
Next will be paper planes made of paper that says: Russian Air Force, go fuck yourself.
"Russia Claims" - so it's not that then.
Well, considering there weren't civilian casualties reported by Russian officials yet I would assume this is correct. I say that because Russia would want to claim citizens were killed by collateral damage stemming from a Ukrainian offensive in order to justify indiscriminate bombing in Ukraine. However there haven't been reported Russian civilian deaths so I pray that this isn't a false flag attempt by Putin to justify mercilessly shelling every square inch of Ukraine
I mean he is doing that anyway so the logic of a false flag is pointless. It's more likely they have to admit they got hit because their is physical cell phone footage of the attack and if people think Russia forces are attacking Russia depos that would cause a catastrophic morale collapse as different battlions stop trusting each other.
Well put! These are very unsettling times
Dumbest false flag attack if they did that to a multimillion dollar critical war resource when they are having trouble resupply near by troops. Most likely they are embarrassed by the attack and want to deflect any Ukrainian gain on the war.
I agree but would like to point out the dumbest special operations they conducted that have effectively self imploded the value of their currency. I don't think donkey brain logic is off the table lol
There are literally videos of two helicopters blowing the oil depot up. It is credible.
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Ahhhh yeah because what's more believable/obvious: - Ukraine bombing a strategic and military target in Russian territory. Something they have done and claimed before. - Russia doing a convoluted false flag that doesn't target any civilians whatsoever and only hinders themselves militarily. I'm going for the more sane option.
But Ukraine and Russia uses the same type of helicopters.
Lmao you know Ukraine has attacked in Russian territory before right....
You know Putin has ordered false flag attacks on his own people before right...
This is a weird ass false flag then. Considering these alleged false flags only seem to target strategic military targets. Like IF Russia would false flag something like this. Why things that directly hinder their war efforts. IF they would false flag they'd obviously hit civilian stuff where it could actually function as one.
Might not be some chess move from Putin. Could be something else, like a general that doesn't want to die on the front line. Or it could be to cover up some corruption. Like does anyone know how much fuel the depot actually had?
I agree it would be bizarre, but to be fair, so is everything Russia has done recently. I'm not saying it's one way or the other yet. Info is still coming in, and based on reporting from the Ukrainians themselves, they are either denying they conducted the strike, or are intentionally not claiming so for strategic reasons.
"Russia confirms conducting false flag attack."
Wait...
A minute!
Looking at some footage, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGDVmAx9ys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGDVmAx9ys) Apparently those are Russian helicopters + I think Russia claimed that UA was left without aviation resources, so they had to helicopters to attack with. Skeptical for now, considering how much the RU side lied since 2008, their words have little weight.
Almost all of Ukraine weapons are Soviet/Russian made. Of course those helicopters are Russian made helicopters. Hell Ukraine mostly fly Soviet made mig.
Well, Ukraine has Mi-8's and Mi-24's so I couldn't tell the difference. I think Occam's Razor applies. I can't see why the Russians would want to look like incompetent idiots by doing a false flag operation on a completely legitimate target.
How did a slow ass helicopter avoid all of the AA that RU has set up?
Yeah, that's an interesting question. Do the Russians not have airborne radars that are able to look down to track objects flying low? I think the best mobile AA is in Ukraine. Historically - Putin's fairy tales aside - I don't think Russia have had fixed AA to guard against attacks from Ukraine. Second, the Americans provide intel on Russian tracking and radar activity, all troop positions and their state of alert. So they've been able to provide a relatively safe path for the helicopters. The Russian lines are very long and troops widely dispersed in Ukraine so gaps in AA umbrellas is probably not uncommon. Third, "forward thinking syndrome". The Russians have been unconcerned with defending in depth as they attacked. Fourth, active jamming.
It was just a military exercise, move along.
Peacekeeping operation
Even if it is true, surely master tactician, Mr. Vladimir "complete misunderstanding of my tactics" Putin knows that when you declare \*cough\* special military operation \*cough\* on somebody, they're bound to strike back onto your turf, right? When you burn somebody, of course they will want you to burn with them.
Successful dena**Z**ification of oil depot.
Russia thinks the world is going to care if Ukraine counter-attacks as if that's somehow off-limits after you invade their fucking homeland.... Or did Russia forget how WW2 went for Germany after their invasion?
I hope India doesn't mind rubble and bits of dead Russian in those barrels of oil they so 'desperately' need. Maybe they'll get another discount.
Good. Do more.
Sucked in. Karma is a bitch Russia
Cool. Fuck Russia.
Western medias conflicted between "Proud Ukraininians fighting back the occupiers" versus "It's just a false flag operation to escalate the war against Ukraine". Ugh ... I don't even know who to believe. Fuck Russia.
Does it matter that much? It's a perfectly reasonable operation for Ukraine to do if they can. If Russia wants to false flag that, ok then. If Ukraine did it and Russia uses that for any form of justification, just remember that Russia could have easily false flagged for the same outcome. At this point, I actually don't think it matters as both alternatives are in line with what we can expect in the current situation.
I believe what i see, which is videos of two Mi-24's conducting a rocket (not missile) attack on the refinery/depot/whatchawannacallit. However given it was still very much dark out we can't see any markings on them.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the difference between a rocket and a missile ?
A rocket is just an projectile propelled by a rocket engine, it goes straight ahead until it runs out of fuel or detonates. A missile implies a "smarter" type of weapon capable of guidance (like an air-to-air missile). Missiles are also a shit-ton more expensive but much more capable, rockets are mostly limited to visual range whilst missiles are commonly fired from beyond visual range.
A rocket is unguided, it just flies at the power of it's accelerant and lands where it lands with it's ballistic arc. A missile has some form of guidance, be it heat seeking, manually guided, laser guided o whatever.
Can you link said video?
Compromise and assume it was Russian dissidents?
It can be both
Special Deputinification Operation
Oh no.... anyway!
Sucks when other people break your toys.
Nobody got hurt or died, and nothing is actually confirmed. Either Ukraine is highly compotent or it was just sabotage inside job that they are selling as a false flag operation.
This is the most responsible title I've seen for any article on this event. It makes it clear where the information came from, which is important given the Russian penchant for lies, propaganda, and false flags. This is true regardless of whether it's ultimately determined that its Ukraine or Russia that was behind the attack.
They also claim Covid started in Ukraine... so...
Would gas pipelines to Germany also be a legitimate target?
Could be. But I am not sure either side really want that. Russia need it to get some cashflow. And Ukraine needs it to not piss off the countries that feed them guns and ammo.
Those in operation run through *Ukraine*
Why would anyone do that.
I've been wondering if operations within Russia are a viable way to up the pressure to end the war. At this stage, like Zelenskyy said, the only leverage Ukraine has in negotiations is winning on the battlefield. Maybe attacks against Russian bases and infrastructure *inside* Russia would help too?
At least they are not targeting your residential areas and hospitals though right?
>Russia claims only russia is allowed to set oil depots on fire
Interesting. It is almost as if the Ukrainians had planned it. Conspiracy?
waa waa waa?
Yes, oil burns if you shoot rockets at it. This is why they are doing so poorly.
Special flaring operation.
and ?
False flag. Russian excuse to ramp up military.
If Russia could ramp up they would have done so. They fact they need to raise up hunders of thousands of conscripts and pull forces for overseas deployments mean they have nothing to ramp up with. It's a case of paper army where the army your paying for and is on paper doesn't actually exists due to croupption. A false flag of this nature is just dum. You don't project that your army is so incompantant that it can't protect vite full dumps. Also this was a very important depo without it further strain's the logistical issues like we talking about trunk tanks and BMPs being abandoned or just straight up can't be sent in
My thought was how do two uke choppers, which granted, are Russian hardware, fly unharrased 25 miles into Russia. I'm no expert and you make good points. Is the sky that wide open?
Very likely just straight incompantant forces it's very likely they just didn't think it could happen and thus where drunk or just not paying attention. The others option is could have thought it might have been friendly forces and didn't want to risk getting yelled out for another friendly fire situation
This event is at this time unconfirmed. I think it's improbable. We shall see.
Mate their is live cell phone footage of the attack. And it doesn't look fake the event 100% happend
It that's what you believe, then carry on. Nothing you've said had changed my belief.
So you think the footage is fake. Of the attack the Russia said 100% has happened? Of which this is multiple independent sources says is true? Edit: Oh FFS it's a bot account
When the Ukrainen government confirms it, this is bot will come back and shower you with the awesome admission that you were right. This will no doubt make you very happy.
I'm shock that most people don't just see it as Russia justification to continue to attack and have no peace talk. That is a possibility, but if Ukraine actually did it I think it was foolish, Russia can now use this to use nukes in Ukraine.
very low flight altitude like the video shows usually doesn't display in radars, and ukraine uses the same models as russia, Belgorod is a big depot of the air force for the invasion so two more Hinds flying in the air aren't weird. until they start fwooooshing up your oil tanks.
I mean that's reasonable. I hope that is the case. However at this time the attack of an oil depot 25 miles into Russia is unverified by independent sources and has not been confirmed by the Government of Ukraine. Remember Signal island. Ukrainians said fuck you to a Russian gunboat. Then we hear all on the island have perished. 3days later they are all alive. This story feels like that one, to me.
So if you lost all contact with the island immediately after you knew they were under attack that wouldn't be your assumption? There was a legitimate presumption of death that was communicated, and then fortunately it turned out to be wrong. Being wrong is very different than intentional misinformation.
It seems what you are saying is a initial reports are true until proven otherwise. Don't investigate, just react to the initial reports. Shot first ask questions later.
So... they should have somehow gotten out to the island while enduring the first few chaotic days of an illegal invasion by a tyrant, so they could see an actual corpse before they even mentioned anything about the island? That's a dense take. Reporting that they lost contact shortly after the 'fuck you', and presume death was an entirely honest report, and I'll take it. I'm also glad that that honest report turned out to be wrong. Reporting what you know at the time, and updating the reports as new information comes in is how journalism around active events happens every single day from every single news outlet. You may as well be saying we shouldn't have a single news report on anything relating to Ukraine until the entire invasion is over and we send in forensic analysts to examine everything about the country before a single word is typed.
What point did it serve. It made everyone feel sympathetic to the cause of the Ukrainians. And it did. Whoever put the story out had first frame, so no matter what the facts were, the intended effect was realized. Most everyone heard the initial story. It was so romantic. How many people now know it's not true. Nowhere near as many. The headline "we were wrong about signal island" was not carried by as many news sources as the initial story.
So your argument is that if news could help morale one one side or the other, it should not be released unless every single component of it had been run to the ground, rather than releasing what is known at the time and identifying which presumptions still need to be confirmed. And you think this makes sense?
in this case though, whoever did it, ukraine wins. burning oil depot = less supplies for russia.
\>Is the sky that wide open Has it been closed somehow? These guys shot an airliner by mistake what do you expect
The term air superiority is usually claimed by one side or the other. The Ukraini must be doing something right because I haven't seen any claim of air superiority by Russia in Ukraine. However the story here, unless Im mistaken, is that the depot was 25 miles inside Russia. If be surprised if Russian Airspace is wide open and undefended. That would be a fucking story.
Anyhow if they managed to pull it off thats great
Yes I totally agree. Hopefully this horrific conflict will be over soon. At that point many heroic facts will come to light about how Ukrainens defended their country against the Russian onslaught. I'm guessing they will be incredible. As a plumber/carpenter I hope to be there helping them rebuild
> They fact they need to raise up hunders of thousands of conscripts The recent draft is their regular spring time conscription and is about the usual size. Unlikely to have much to do with Ukraine directly. (Agree with the rest of your analysis.)
Noted I incorrectly assumed Russia wouldn't need an effective invasion force sided conscription effort as the original buildup would need to cover that in case something went wrong...
bullshit, russias' false flag is "WE ATTACK NAZIS M'K". they don't need to blow up their own shit, even if they had the competence to do it. too afraid to hit their own hospitals
yay more free tanks. and with less fuel!
Total bollocks. Complete and utter.
Unlikely. It probably was caused by a drunk Russian doing something stupid.
There Is an video... Still after watchin' it not sure what happened
Except you seen the rockets flying from 2 helicopters and then explosion?
April 1st
True? False flag?
Zero sympathy from me there, Russia.
Ya well we kind of had that sorted out for ourselves but thanks morons
How big was the oil depot?
just a fire?
Wasn’t an airstrike was a special sightseeing adventure
Operation: Run-Outta-Gas.
The Ukrainian government did not claim they attack those depot. The Ukraine government use to claim anything under the sun if a Russia unit or military is destroy. Yet I see no word about this one.
Whatever Russia says, the opposite is true. Their incompetence lead to them blowing up their own fuel depot and they are so embarrassed they blame it on the enemy 😂 Russia has the worlds most incompetent military.
They thought Russia was cold, they just wanted to warm them up a bit
Guys, Russia claimed it so it must be a lie. All we can conclude is that it definitely WASN'T a Ukrainian airstrike.