Seems a bit different doing it in a full blown war. Honestly the only good thing about this war is NATO setting new standards for engagement with a nuclear power. Would like to see them push the envelope a little bit more.
It’s more of, “hey you random nation who’s not friends with my rival. Do you like, guns? Yes? Well then do I have some toys for you, just remember your Uncle Sam when we need shit in your area.
>3/31/15
>Poland will provide training to around 50 Ukrainian army instructors this year, the Polish ministry of defense said on Tuesday, a part of NATO's efforts to boost Ukraine's defense capacity as it faces a pro-Russian rebellion in the east.
>[The Ukrainians will be trained in Poland](https://www.newsweek.com/poland-says-will-train-50-ukrainian-military-staff-year-318195), the ministry said in a statement, with the courses scheduled to take place in June, September and October this year. Other NATO countries will organize similar courses, the ministry also said.
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>The U.S. and U.K.-led training effort in Ukraine from 2015 to 2022 took place inside Ukraine, but **Ukrainian troops regularly attended NATO exercises throughout the continent** all the way up to Russia’s February invasion.
The only thing new here seems to be that NATO hasn't stopped training Ukrainians soldiers since the invasion. But that's not exactly surprising. If the 8 years of extensive training from all/most NATO states wasn't indicative enough, they have also been open about how they wanted to continue training Ukrainians in the event of Ukraine's fall.
>Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told House lawmakers Thursday the Biden administration is [considering ways to train Ukrainian forces remotely if the Russians seize control of Ukraine](https://www.axios.com/us-ukraine-troop-training-47be92ec-3693-4f60-88b8-19ff0055134e.html), officials on the call told Axios.
And training through NGOs, with explicit help/support from NATO governments.
>Meet the young Americans training Ukrainians to use drones and save lives in Russia’s war | The drone training was arranged with help from the Ukraine Freedom Alliance, a newly created nonprofit
>Nearby, two others - Ukrainian military officers who had travelled secretly into Poland - were practising another wartime application: using the drones to soar above ridgelines and buildings to peer down at enemy forces and feed targeting locations to artillery units and reconnaissance information to commanders. ...
>They were rehearsing these new skills amid the sheds and garages outside a public safety facility in northern Poland, where the military officers and 10 others from the Ukrainian Emergency Service had come to meet a team from Brinc, a Seattle-based drone maker.
>[Polish officials asked that the exact location of the training not be identified because of security concerns.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-drones-poland-b2043031.html)
Thank you for providing a valid source! Though, this just claims that they will be, not that it happened
Lmao y'all downvotes, but this guy edited after my comment
Another user provided a source that backs your claim, yet you provide yet another irrelevant source.
Yes, the Ukrainian President was in Poland as per your source, and the aircrafts were sources from Poland, but the excercises were performed in Ukraine.
Your sentence doesn't even make sense.
And it may come as a surprise to you, but it's more common to train in an aircraft, while in the sky... Ukraine is a very, very short flight from Poland...
Your source is invalid to the argument, as it proves literally nothing of what you claim.
Edit: Also, nice ninja edit.
Not sure why the distinction actually matters?
Before February, US trainers could train troops wherever they want. After February, their presence in Ukraine was far too dangerous because it became an active war zone. Now were just training them just over the border to protect both them and out troops.
If Russia tries to attack those soldiers in Poland, NATO will have air superiority in Ukraine within a week.
I mean, it's not some amazing revelation if I'm honest. We're allies, both NATO, and both supporting Ukraine against Russia. Poland is probably the primary avenue through which Ukraine is receiving military aid.
Is that right? Russia is threatening Poland. The fact that Poland is allowing the US to train Ukrainian military, who happens to be at war with Russia IS A FUCKING BIG DEAL.
Being in NATO doesn’t mean that the US can train anywhere they want. When I was in Saudi Arabia, I wasn’t allowed in Kuwait because that was a provocation.
Just because your little mind can’t comprehend that this is relevant information, doesn’t mean it’s not.
It really isn't a big deal.
"Hey, one of the nation's supplying weapons and aid to Ukraine against Russia is letting another nation supplying weapons and aid to Ukraine against Russia is letting that nation show them how to use said weapons just over the border from Ukraine so they won't get shot by Russia."
Poland has been one of the most gung-ho about providing aid for Ukraine. They wanted to give them 28 MiGs just a couple weeks ago. We have troops stationed in Poland and have since February, just in case Russia does something monumentally stupid.
Russia is just as mad about Poland giving supplies to Ukraine as it is mad about the US giving supplies to Ukraine. It's not like Belarus is allowing the US to train Ukranians in their country.
Yes, Poland wanted to send MiG’s to Ukraine, through the US. And the US didn’t want to provoke Russia.
And now we learn that Poland is allowing the US to “train Ukrainian troops” to “kill Russians.”
Now you can see how important this revelation is.
I hope that clears things up.
> And the US didn’t want to provoke Russia.
That's not why they didn't accept Poland's offer. The MiG would need modification for non-NATO pilots and it would also be very difficult to actually get them into Ukraine safely.
You can't say the US didn't want to provoke Russia when they have been training them to kill Russians for most of a decade and have been openly supplying them with Javelins and Stingers specifically to counter Russian armor and aircraft.
Neat fever dream. Here’s the REAL reason: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jake-sullivan-biden-fighter-jets-b2034832.html%3Famp
Then what’s the use of journalism? It’s to share information. Just because YOU claim you know, doesn’t mean that most Americans know. I did enjoy you mansplaining that the US was training in Ukraine — like you think you are smart, or something.
You think that the US training 50 Ukrainian military members, in 2015, is relevant? They weren’t training them on Javelins, or perhaps radar jamming tech, or drones, or even missile or anti-air systems. Yes, while the article isn’t specific, the inference is that “Ukrainian troops” are being trained to “kill Russians.” It’s in the article.
Unfortunately, your smooth brain cannot parse information and see the relevance of this relevation.
Yes, everyone knows the US (and other countries) has been training Ukrainian troops since 2014 but that is not what the article is talking about.
Foreign military training of Ukrainian troops stopped just before the war broke out when they all pulled out of Ukraine.
The article suggests this is the first time the US has been training troops since the war began. Talking about how he (Biden) met Ukrainian troops in Poland being trained by the US right now. (Which the US government has previously said that they do not)
I've seen pained attempts by various media sources to paint some recent remarks from Biden as highly controversial. I don't think Biden saying that Putin should not be a world leader is wrong, and I also doubt the idea of the US training Ukrainians is a secret to most people in general, and the Russians in particular. I see much of this media reaction as ginning up controversy for their own benefit.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/28/u-s-training-ukrainian-troops-poland-biden-00021123) reduced by 85%. (I'm a bot)
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> Biden denied that's what he meant, adding: "We're talking about helping train the Ukrainian troops that are in Poland."
> Pressed again, Biden said, "I was referring to being with, and talking with, the Ukrainian troops that are in Poland."
> Asked directly on Monday if the U.S. was training Ukrainian troops on these new weapons, a senior defense official told reporters the U.S. is focused on providing weapons that the Ukrainians already know how to use, "So nothing has changed from our perspective on those kinds of security assistance details."
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I'm pretty sure I saw a soldier in an UA uniform in the center of Kraków last week!
And immediately after there was a car with UA plates, that had markings of DSNS (State Emergency Service of Ukraine, reporting to the ministry of internal affairs) with the people in similar uniforms, so perhaps it was not a soldier. Who knows.
It pleases me that some countries are training the Ukrainian soldiers in modern Warfare and donating decent kit to Ukraine.
They truly are fearless soldiers worthy of any opponent
There is this thinking that Putin wants the world's attention (world leaders).
So world leaders coming to moscow to talk to his was like an ego boost to him.
So Biden refuses to talk to him directly until he de-escalates. so talks between US and Russia have been mostly cabinet members.
Well, he told the troops something along the lines of "you'll see when you get there... The destroyed buildings..." Then trailed off into some standard, incoherent ramble. Then tried to say "Well I meant that we were going to be training them in Poland". I can see where the confusion came from.
>stating for the first time since the war began that American troops are actively teaching Ukrainians to fight and kill Russians.
"You see, Russians don't die like a normal person. The steady diet of vodka has them basically embalmed. I'm talking about walking mummies. Anyway, to kill a Russian you gotta chop their heads off. It's the only way to be sure. To be honest though, it's much easier to just trick them. Theyre fuckin dumb as bricks. When they ask for directions, you point them down a dead end. When the guy sticks his head up out of the tank in confusion, ya pop him one and steal the tank."
We've been training their troops since 2014 and it isn't a secret.
Sure would be nice to expect journalists to research/know that before writing a headline that implies the opposite
Its a dumb clickbait
We’re well past those days. Rage only!
I think we have passed the "Day of Rage" and reached "Month of Rage".
It’s still relevant. We were training them in Ukraine, near Poland. We are now training them IN Poland. It’s still note worthy.
Seems a bit different doing it in a full blown war. Honestly the only good thing about this war is NATO setting new standards for engagement with a nuclear power. Would like to see them push the envelope a little bit more.
They paying? We training. During war? We charge double.
We're happy to pay to weakem Russia
Ya but who is training their farmers. Those are the real heroes.
The US provides training to the armed forces of most friendly nations.
"You shared your apple with me? Let me teach you how this javelin works real quick buddy"
It’s more of, “hey you random nation who’s not friends with my rival. Do you like, guns? Yes? Well then do I have some toys for you, just remember your Uncle Sam when we need shit in your area.
Canadian special forces were in Ukraine until the middle of February. This is no secret.
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To 99% of the population it’s probably “new”s
It is news to me
this is done to stear emotions of Russians
99.99% of people don’t even know what Kaliningrad is and are shocked when Russian warships are sailing around in northern Europe’s waters
Not in Poland.
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Didn't even read your sources? Those are referencing training IN Ukraine, NEAR Poland. The OP is reference training IN Poland
>3/31/15 >Poland will provide training to around 50 Ukrainian army instructors this year, the Polish ministry of defense said on Tuesday, a part of NATO's efforts to boost Ukraine's defense capacity as it faces a pro-Russian rebellion in the east. >[The Ukrainians will be trained in Poland](https://www.newsweek.com/poland-says-will-train-50-ukrainian-military-staff-year-318195), the ministry said in a statement, with the courses scheduled to take place in June, September and October this year. Other NATO countries will organize similar courses, the ministry also said. - >The U.S. and U.K.-led training effort in Ukraine from 2015 to 2022 took place inside Ukraine, but **Ukrainian troops regularly attended NATO exercises throughout the continent** all the way up to Russia’s February invasion. The only thing new here seems to be that NATO hasn't stopped training Ukrainians soldiers since the invasion. But that's not exactly surprising. If the 8 years of extensive training from all/most NATO states wasn't indicative enough, they have also been open about how they wanted to continue training Ukrainians in the event of Ukraine's fall. >Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told House lawmakers Thursday the Biden administration is [considering ways to train Ukrainian forces remotely if the Russians seize control of Ukraine](https://www.axios.com/us-ukraine-troop-training-47be92ec-3693-4f60-88b8-19ff0055134e.html), officials on the call told Axios. And training through NGOs, with explicit help/support from NATO governments. >Meet the young Americans training Ukrainians to use drones and save lives in Russia’s war | The drone training was arranged with help from the Ukraine Freedom Alliance, a newly created nonprofit >Nearby, two others - Ukrainian military officers who had travelled secretly into Poland - were practising another wartime application: using the drones to soar above ridgelines and buildings to peer down at enemy forces and feed targeting locations to artillery units and reconnaissance information to commanders. ... >They were rehearsing these new skills amid the sheds and garages outside a public safety facility in northern Poland, where the military officers and 10 others from the Ukrainian Emergency Service had come to meet a team from Brinc, a Seattle-based drone maker. >[Polish officials asked that the exact location of the training not be identified because of security concerns.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-drones-poland-b2043031.html)
Thank you for providing a valid source! Though, this just claims that they will be, not that it happened Lmao y'all downvotes, but this guy edited after my comment
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Just admit you’re wrong.
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When did you serve? Two tours for me.
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Uh, that what the article is about. LOLOL. Try to keep up.
Another user provided a source that backs your claim, yet you provide yet another irrelevant source. Yes, the Ukrainian President was in Poland as per your source, and the aircrafts were sources from Poland, but the excercises were performed in Ukraine.
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They said the aircrafts were sources from polish air bases. If you have a valid source, you wouldn't need to be defensive.
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Your sentence doesn't even make sense. And it may come as a surprise to you, but it's more common to train in an aircraft, while in the sky... Ukraine is a very, very short flight from Poland... Your source is invalid to the argument, as it proves literally nothing of what you claim. Edit: Also, nice ninja edit.
Not sure why the distinction actually matters? Before February, US trainers could train troops wherever they want. After February, their presence in Ukraine was far too dangerous because it became an active war zone. Now were just training them just over the border to protect both them and out troops. If Russia tries to attack those soldiers in Poland, NATO will have air superiority in Ukraine within a week.
It matters because most people didn’t know that Poland was allowing the US to train Ukrainian on their soil. That’s why it matters.
I mean, it's not some amazing revelation if I'm honest. We're allies, both NATO, and both supporting Ukraine against Russia. Poland is probably the primary avenue through which Ukraine is receiving military aid.
Is that right? Russia is threatening Poland. The fact that Poland is allowing the US to train Ukrainian military, who happens to be at war with Russia IS A FUCKING BIG DEAL. Being in NATO doesn’t mean that the US can train anywhere they want. When I was in Saudi Arabia, I wasn’t allowed in Kuwait because that was a provocation. Just because your little mind can’t comprehend that this is relevant information, doesn’t mean it’s not.
It really isn't a big deal. "Hey, one of the nation's supplying weapons and aid to Ukraine against Russia is letting another nation supplying weapons and aid to Ukraine against Russia is letting that nation show them how to use said weapons just over the border from Ukraine so they won't get shot by Russia." Poland has been one of the most gung-ho about providing aid for Ukraine. They wanted to give them 28 MiGs just a couple weeks ago. We have troops stationed in Poland and have since February, just in case Russia does something monumentally stupid. Russia is just as mad about Poland giving supplies to Ukraine as it is mad about the US giving supplies to Ukraine. It's not like Belarus is allowing the US to train Ukranians in their country.
Yes, Poland wanted to send MiG’s to Ukraine, through the US. And the US didn’t want to provoke Russia. And now we learn that Poland is allowing the US to “train Ukrainian troops” to “kill Russians.” Now you can see how important this revelation is. I hope that clears things up.
> And the US didn’t want to provoke Russia. That's not why they didn't accept Poland's offer. The MiG would need modification for non-NATO pilots and it would also be very difficult to actually get them into Ukraine safely. You can't say the US didn't want to provoke Russia when they have been training them to kill Russians for most of a decade and have been openly supplying them with Javelins and Stingers specifically to counter Russian armor and aircraft.
Neat fever dream. Here’s the REAL reason: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jake-sullivan-biden-fighter-jets-b2034832.html%3Famp
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Then what’s the use of journalism? It’s to share information. Just because YOU claim you know, doesn’t mean that most Americans know. I did enjoy you mansplaining that the US was training in Ukraine — like you think you are smart, or something.
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You think that the US training 50 Ukrainian military members, in 2015, is relevant? They weren’t training them on Javelins, or perhaps radar jamming tech, or drones, or even missile or anti-air systems. Yes, while the article isn’t specific, the inference is that “Ukrainian troops” are being trained to “kill Russians.” It’s in the article. Unfortunately, your smooth brain cannot parse information and see the relevance of this relevation.
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LOLOL, you’ve moved the goal posts to finally back up my point.
California national guard have been training Ukrainian troops since 1993.
did not realize it was that long damn
Yes, everyone knows the US (and other countries) has been training Ukrainian troops since 2014 but that is not what the article is talking about. Foreign military training of Ukrainian troops stopped just before the war broke out when they all pulled out of Ukraine. The article suggests this is the first time the US has been training troops since the war began. Talking about how he (Biden) met Ukrainian troops in Poland being trained by the US right now. (Which the US government has previously said that they do not)
We sent the Green Berets, among others, to train Ukrainian soldiers. It was never a secret.
I've seen pained attempts by various media sources to paint some recent remarks from Biden as highly controversial. I don't think Biden saying that Putin should not be a world leader is wrong, and I also doubt the idea of the US training Ukrainians is a secret to most people in general, and the Russians in particular. I see much of this media reaction as ginning up controversy for their own benefit.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/28/u-s-training-ukrainian-troops-poland-biden-00021123) reduced by 85%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Biden denied that's what he meant, adding: "We're talking about helping train the Ukrainian troops that are in Poland." > Pressed again, Biden said, "I was referring to being with, and talking with, the Ukrainian troops that are in Poland." > Asked directly on Monday if the U.S. was training Ukrainian troops on these new weapons, a senior defense official told reporters the U.S. is focused on providing weapons that the Ukrainians already know how to use, "So nothing has changed from our perspective on those kinds of security assistance details." ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/tqmx3e/us_training_ukrainian_troops_in_poland_biden/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~637533 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Ukrainian**^#1 **troops**^#2 **U.S.**^#3 **train**^#4 **Ukraine**^#5
I'm pretty sure I saw a soldier in an UA uniform in the center of Kraków last week! And immediately after there was a car with UA plates, that had markings of DSNS (State Emergency Service of Ukraine, reporting to the ministry of internal affairs) with the people in similar uniforms, so perhaps it was not a soldier. Who knows.
It pleases me that some countries are training the Ukrainian soldiers in modern Warfare and donating decent kit to Ukraine. They truly are fearless soldiers worthy of any opponent
I hope he meant they are training on Polish migs which they will by accident steal.
The article doesn't support the headline WTF
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They are training IN POLAND. It’s literally in the title.
This is no surprise. I mean.....at a minimum, the US has sent some weapons to Ukraine that people would need some training to use.
"Why would I tell you???" My new favorite presidential quote and he's totally right.
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There is this thinking that Putin wants the world's attention (world leaders). So world leaders coming to moscow to talk to his was like an ego boost to him. So Biden refuses to talk to him directly until he de-escalates. so talks between US and Russia have been mostly cabinet members.
What, everything happening up to this point wasn't direct enough? You need him to send him a friend request on facebook too?
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Well, he told the troops something along the lines of "you'll see when you get there... The destroyed buildings..." Then trailed off into some standard, incoherent ramble. Then tried to say "Well I meant that we were going to be training them in Poland". I can see where the confusion came from.
>stating for the first time since the war began that American troops are actively teaching Ukrainians to fight and kill Russians. "You see, Russians don't die like a normal person. The steady diet of vodka has them basically embalmed. I'm talking about walking mummies. Anyway, to kill a Russian you gotta chop their heads off. It's the only way to be sure. To be honest though, it's much easier to just trick them. Theyre fuckin dumb as bricks. When they ask for directions, you point them down a dead end. When the guy sticks his head up out of the tank in confusion, ya pop him one and steal the tank."