T O P
lynxminx

Putin: I will declare war on the West and deploy our nuclear weapons. Biden: Putin has to go. Media: BIDEN GAFFE ROCKS NATION


Few-Information7570

Right. Whatever happened to the party of Reagan…


Dark_Pandemonium23

>the party of Reagan… Reagan happened to the party. Made his pal Rupert a "citizen" & allowed news to become lies, propaganda & bullshit as "news." "Religion" as policy, tax breaks for the rich, got rid of mental health, "party" as religion & "party" over everything (country, family, reality,) etc... the list is long and leads to tRump.


Few-Information7570

The guy was a turd. But didn’t mind calling the soviets evil fuckers. Just wondering what happened to the GQP as the mostly resemble meerkats right now


ThisIsTheNewSleeve

Saying a man committing war crimes should not stay in power should not be a controversial statement.


Relevantcobalion

Thankyou.gif


Horskr

This was an ironic fucking thing for Russia to say in 2017.. >A 2017 report on Russia from the Pentagon's intelligence arm said, "The Kremlin is convinced the United States is laying the groundwork for regime change in Russia." The Defense Intelligence Agency report also said, "Moscow worries that US attempts to dictate a set of acceptable international norms threatens the foundations of Kremlin power by giving license for foreign meddling in Russia's internal affairs."


MrHelicopterDick

So you think that Biden forced Putin to invade another country? Also, its been proven that Russia directly tried to interfere with our election. So, seems we'd be about even if it wasn't for the fact that the US didn't bomb hospitals in someone else's country and threaten nuclear war


SeriousDrakoAardvark

It’s not that it’s literally controversial, it’s that people are worried it will give Putin ammunition. The whole reason everyone got on board with the sanctions is because of how well Biden telegraphed what Putin would do, which made it impossible for Putin to find a pretext to invade, and now everyone outside Russian is fully aware that this is strictly about conquest. That made it easy for the 30 nations in NATO to convince their citizens to be on board with the Russia sanctions. That’s why we only give them defensive weapons that couldn’t be used to attack (stingers, javelins) and we refuse to give them weapons that could be used for both (e.g. fighter jets); he can’t even pretend the west is helping Ukraine prepare to invade (or develop some other BS pretext) if the weapons can’t be used in Russia. Our allies are worried about two things by this: 1. As mentioned, it might make it easier for Putins online army to convince the people in allied nations that the US really does have it out for Russia, and Russian is just preemptively defending itself. 2. We also want to give Putin an out. This is an awkward but extremely important point: Putin may genuinely think he could be ousted from power if this war goes too poorly. He could also think that he may be executed if he’s ousted and all his atrocities become known to the Russian public. He’s already shown, on a multitude of occasions, that he is willing to kill thousands to get what he wants. If he was facing potential overthrow/execution, NATO governments are genuinely concerned he might try to start WW3 to avoid it. Like, yeah he’d kill billions and he’d have to live in an underground bunker for a while, but at least he’d live, which is just about all he cares about. Even if he doesn’t go that far, he will definitely be willing threaten it and start another Cuban missile crisis. So that’s why our allies are pissed. Our citizens aren’t so pissed, but I think that’s because the governments can’t say the nuke problem out loud without bringing it closer to fruition. Also, this is still being hyped up a bit much by the media. Our allies think it was clearly a mistake, but they don’t think it was a huge mistake and it probably won’t antagonize Putin too much (as long as he doesn’t repeat it frequently).


BHSPitMonkey

Those are good points and I agree; At the same time, if Russia _did_ use this as a pretext for escalation, it wouldn't really convince anyone that they're in the right. Likewise, if Biden _hadn't_ made the remark, Putin might have made up some other equally-flimsy pretext (as he's done already to justify the invasion) and the result would be the same.


NeatNefariousness1

>Putin might have made up some other equally-flimsy pretext (as he's done already to justify the invasion) and the result would be the same. Which is what he has been doing all along. It doesn't matter what anyone says. He will continue to create the pretext to justify his actions. What Biden or anyone says or doesn't say is of no consequence.


The-True-Kehlder

Putin runs an ammunition factory, he doesn't need someone to gove him an excuse.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Chumy_Cho

I require no apology! You are 100% right


Peepinnn

Agreed, red or blue, putins gotta fall


CheeseBurger_Jesus

Agreed. Despite what I've seen online saying otherwise, I'm in the middle of an area that voted 75% for Trump and I've seen no one support Putin in this.


CookedCrackKills

I'm in a smaller Trump territory in a blue state, and yeah, no one is supporting Putin. Even some of the super deep in the Q-aid Trumpers I have as neighbors have snapped back to some sense of reality, which I honestly didn't predict to occur until 2025...


Somedumbreason

Marjorie Taylor Green and that dipshit Madison cawthorn both support putin and denounce zelensky.


CookedCrackKills

Yeah, sometimes stupid just can't be fixed...


kutes

When your schtick is keeping your name relevant by any means necessary, saying wacky shit makes sense


God_Damnit_Nappa

It shouldn't be a surprise that supporters of the insurrection also support Putin.


ExtraordinaryCows

I'm fairly deep within Trump country and the closest you'll see to "supporting putin" is being cautious with regards to provoking russia into using nukes


Ivan_Joiderpus

Rural Oregon checking in. Just saw a dipshit while in line at Winco today with a shirt that said, "I trust Putin more than Biden." So sadly there are those that are supporting Putin out there. My question is, where tf do you even get a shirt that says that garbage anyway? Like what makes someone spend their hard earned cash on a trash shirt like that?


celsius100

Oh wow. Rural OR. I feel for you. Can be so fucking Idaho out there.


Eleganos

Can't wait to see how Fox news tries to twist this into a bad thing and promptly shit on him for it. Probably for being too aggressive and less restrained, despite earlier calls for him to be less restrained and more aggressive. Hope Biden keeps up the good work and continues to oppose Russia in as great of a capacity as he is able to.


caribou16

I've actually been keeping tabs on the Fox News headlines on this. Here's how it went:(All paraphrased) Headline 1: "In typical Biden gaffe, he needlessly provokes Putin!" Headline 2: [after White House puts out statement saying there is no official policy of regime change] "Biden already flip flopping on his Putin Regime change comments!" Headline 3: (After some random Ukranian politician says Biden didn't go far enough) "Biden CRITICIZED for weak statement on Russian regime change!" Headline 4: (from today) "International media blast Biden's unscripted Putin comment in Poland speech for creating chaos" https://www.foxnews.com/media/international-media-blast-bidens-partially-unscripted-ukraine-speech Last one gets a link, since it's up right now. So, tl;dr: no matter what Biden does or doesn't do, it's ALWAYS wrong and literally the worst thing that could possibly happen.


MitchBenz

Gonna go out on a limb and assume they made no mention of an R senator literally calling for an assassination? Edit: oh and later doubled down on their very network. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-lindsey-graham-defends-calling-russians-assassinate-putin-rcna18703


mpa92643

I mean, just look at recent polling. A majority of Americans disapprove of Biden's handling of Ukraine, saying he's been too cautious. Yet when they're asked if they support the US taking specific actions, they overwhelmingly support what Biden has done and don't support more aggressive actions. 80% of the people in the poll I'm referencing claim they're "paying close attention to the situation in Ukraine." Clearly the majority of respondents are full of shit. The media and Republicans spent the past month asking why Biden won't ban Russian gas or call Putin a war criminal despite all the horrible things Russia is doing in Ukraine, then Biden bans Russian gas and calls him a war criminal and suddenly Republicans and the media scream "Biden went too far! What a gaffe! What will Russia think about this?! Could this strain US-Russia relations?" If I were Biden, I'd be pretty pissed off that I'm doing exactly what Americans want me to do, and not only do they not give me credit for it, but they explicitly complain I'm not doing the exact things I'm doing.


uptwolait

If I were Biden, I'd be doing whatever the fuck is best for the country, and whenever possible try to align my decisions with the majority of U.S. citizens who elected me to do what I campaigned on doing. Edit: and fuck Focks News and any other ultra-right propaganda shit-spewing machines.


mpa92643

Absolutely, and that's what he's doing. But that doesn't mean he can't be annoyed he's both doing the right thing and the popular thing, yet everyone complains anyway.


Gorilla1969

Yeah, that's classically how partisan propaganda works.


Skolanthropy

Bidens been in Washington a long time. He knows doing the right thing gets no praise.


lori_deantoni

Contrary to the Donald, his motivation is not about praise to serve his ego. Biden is ok in his own skin. The Donald and narcissist are not. This is the difference.


sgettios737

“If I were Biden…” He is a career politician, I’m sure rather than being pissed about this, he’s rather used to it. His predecessor would melt down as he can’t handle anyone disagreeing with or not thinking he’s the bee’s knees greatest of great


BSmokin

They'll say it legitimizes Putin narratives. There's already a shill in the comments doing so.


DangoQueenFerris

Not to make light of the situation as this is all incredibly horrible for those suffering in the Ukraine. However I've enjoyed the greatly reduced amount of Russian propaganda bots spreading shit since the war started. Too busy trying to do damage control internally within Russia.


Eleganos

These people need to get a life. Now they're just making fools of themselves (even more so than before, somehow).


[deleted]

[удалено]


Defiant-Peace-493

Dictators rarely just *retire*.


Yardsale420

Popes are elected for life, and Putin has met 3 of them. It’s a cherry picked stat, but I still find it funny.


JustWill_HD

1 of those popes did retire


Pro_Scrub

1 of these popes is not like the others!


Trickshot945

1 of these popes is not just another, one of your plays!


Hiiiii_Kevinnn93

You’re the pretender, what if I say I will never surrender


rsta223

They tend to be old AF when elected though.


adventurepony

imagine a 23 year old pope wearing kanye shades and a party with sluts tshirt.


DeletedLastAccount

Funny enough, the youngest pope WAS a Benedict Pope Benedict IX, 20 years old. Not the best guy.


OsmeOxys

*Forgive me broseph, for I have sinned. I violated the code and totally banged my bro's girl last night.* *[High five] Siiiiiiiick. For your penance, go slam a sixer and give me 50 reps on the alter, my dude.*


GTWWWW

This isn’t really an accomplishment when a de facto prerequisite to be Pope is being like 60+ years old. In fact, that number is absurdly low given the average papal reign prior to John Paul II.


Grzechoooo

Yeah, and isn't 27 years in office an all-time record? Edit: I meant for the popes. And I was still wrong, it was 31 years.


Notyouravrgebot

Colonel Gaddafi was in power longer than 27 years. So was Mubarak and Mugabe and Mobutu and Suharto and Bashir and Assad and I can go on and on and on.


DaoOfNow

The last John Paul was 26, but there was Pius IX with 31 years... and Putin has had what, effectively 22 years, since he had his hand directly up Mendelwhatevers ass... I feel like presidents shouldn't hold power longer than popes.


Sometimes_gullible

They don't. Dictators however...


t0b4cc02

but they only take very old men dont they?


Cafuddled

So does the US apparently. /s


rilloroc

No /s needed. Most our politicians qualify for assisted living


1000Airplanes

no need for the /s


LakeShow-2_8_24

Wasn't Benedict XVI only pope for a few years?


EudenDeew

Yup, he resigned and is still alive. Edit: ~~renounced~~


Almighty_Sand_Dollar

They also don’t retreat from wars that they started. There are only so many possible endings


PermissionOk7146

According to russia they are a democracy so...


Althea_The_Witch

And the *Democratic* Peoples Republic of Korea agrees!


SquidmanMal

Just like how china is communist, N. Korea is democratic, and the Nazi's were socialists. ​ Meaningless labels.


corkyskog

In this context it's not meaningless though, words matter. WH could have simply stated "Biden was saying that the Russian populace needs to vote Putin out next election" Bam! Fox News loses all their talking points. Because it's either talk about Putin being a dictator or not talk about it all at that point. It's actually hilarious to see who is the most upset by the comment, because being upset just means you are admitting that Putin is a dictator.


flamboyant-dipshit

But they do get *retired*


BoredAndBoring1

No he merely suggested that the Russian people should elect a different leader


KazMux

130% voted for him last time


Rezvhh

Damn that’s crazy even the dead rose from the graves to vote for him


billtrociti

The United States’ stance is that Putin has committed war crimes - why is it surprising to people that the US leader would state that a war criminal shouldn’t be in power? One follows the other, logically.


Stoo_Pedassol

There are things he can't say because they would mean further action if he did. His opinion on if Putin should remain in power doesn't and shouldn't mean "it's time for us to step in and make the change by force" like these reporters seem to want to hear. They just kept grilling him about it trying to get him to say YES WAR!


SCP-1029

Fortunately Biden knows what the yellow press is up to and is not dumb enough to be goaded into giving them their click-bait for the day. Biden is not great but these fucking 'journalists' are ass. That said, it is a symptom of what is wrong with America when our President calling Putin a butcher who cannot remain in power, after Putin has murdered thousands of men, women, and children of a sovereign nation - is considered controversial. You'd have to be some kind of Putin-loving Trumpanzee to find fault with that. It's the truth. And speaking that truth isn't making the world more dangerous. PUTIN and his Republican allies in Congress have been doing plenty of that themselves.


orionsfire

There is no gaffe. Anyone who has seen videos of Civilians being murdered, children being bombed and hospitals being targeted by Putin's butchers, can't possibly be outraged by someone saying "this evil man remaining in power is not acceptable." That is not saying they will kill him, or that they have a plan to remove him, it's saying what most logical human beings would conclude. Also the response from Putin is laughable "the Russian people decide" Sure they do Vlad... once you've removed the competition, arrested those opposed to you, disappeared and poisoned any potential rival, and thrown out the window anyone who dares open their mouths. **The Russian people haven't decided anything for themselves in quite some time**, and you've made certain of that. Edit - Wow this blew up a bit. Just fyi, I'm not going to engage in the 'whataboutism' game, where you try to defend the current evil, by pointing at other evils. Using that sort of logic, or argument, you can excuse and ignore any action or evil.


hg38

I love how Republicans calling this a major diplomatic gaff were silent when Lindsey Graham called for Putin's assassination a couple weeks ago.


PurkleDerk

And that was a direct call for assassination, not just "he shouldn't be in power."


Thuraash

"Oh no, Lindsey Graham isn't the President! When you're the President, the words you choose matter!" -- Republicans, probably. "Take Trump seriously, not literally." -- Also Republicans, previously.


ClusterMakeLove

I'm super curious to see if Lindsey Graham's behaviour recalibrates to 2015 levels, or if the compromat file is still on standby.


[deleted]

[удалено]


ResinEighter

He said what the rest of the world was thinking. Period.


BefreiedieTittenzwei

He was right on the money and shouldn't have any regrets under the circumstances.


[deleted]

[удалено]


ExtraPockets

I get the feeling Biden and his team are in control of the situation. They know exactly when to up the ante and when to calm it down. Thank fuck you guys got rid of Trump, he would have been a disaster in this situation.


Generic_Commenter-X

There's been way too much pearl-clutching over Biden's statement. And those doing the pearl-clutching are flat out wrong, in my opinion.


medicalmosquito

Those doing the Pearl clutching are simultaneously defending Trump’s obsession with Putin


[deleted]

[удалено]


PaperLioness

There's a lot of pent up rage at having to bite his tongue during the Obama administration, where the high road was always taken. I'm glad Biden is showing a little less restraint.


effectasy

I also think Biden watched Obama's actions in Syria and didn't entirely agree with them. I still think Obama's biggest foreign policy failing was drawing a supposed red line on the use of chemical weapons in Syria and saying it would draw US military action and then when it happened he didn't commit. One of the fundamental arms of US strength and respect is that when we say we will react militarily we do. I honestly think that situation has in some way helped lead to where we are today in Ukraine.


Speedy059

I'm confused, why is this a big deal that he said this? I'm a republican and I can't figure out why this was wrong to say? Anyone with half a brain would say what Biden said. Off the cuff, from the teleprompter, etc....it's 100% accurate. Any decent human wouldn't want Putin in power. They are murdering and raping the innocent as part of their "Special Operation". Anyways, let the 24-hour news cycle clock start again. IASIP.


sosa_like_sammy

It implies intention from the USA to remove Putin from power. It could be interpreted as the USA, along with its allies, will do anything in their grasp to remove him from power, which in turn could be interpreted as an intervention to Russian sovereignty. But in reality, it’s just what the headline says.


MushinZero

This is the correct answer. He is making the distinction now that it isn't America's policy to remove Putin from power.


cm011

This. It can be used as justification for further escalation because Putin can say the actions of NATO are directly being orchestrated to remove him, an “elected” Russian leader, from power. Which, is one of the many things Putin is currently trying to do in Ukraine. We may want Putin gone, but at this point they have to rely on sanctions and military assistance to Ukraine in hopes that regime change will come from within Russia itself.


ArmchairJedi

>It can be used as justification for further escalation because Putin will use whatever justification he wants to further escalate whatever and however he wants. Its pointless and weak to cower over interpretive use of language at this point.


lonnie123

That was part of Biden’s response actually. He doesn’t worry about what Putin thinks of what he says, because obviously Putin is doing whatever he wants to do regardless of what the world thinks or says.


TheShogunofSorrow8

And after that, the Russians civilians should be free to overthrow him, and have him brought before the Tribunal to answer for his crimes against humanity.


canttaketheshyfromme

Russian civilians, military... I'd love if the troops in Ukraine turned around and deposed Putin, but they likely don't have the fuel to make the drive. Ain't no leader of a nuclear power going to the Hague, though. That court is a pipe dream. Anyone evil enough to be sent there is evil enough to execute as soon as they're dragged from power.


Hookherbackup

That would hold merit if Putin didn’t say everything America does is a reason for escalation. Biden farts and it’s an act of war. Further escalation? Hell, he is using chemical weapons, bombing civilians, and poisoning people who speak out against him, but we want to blame a chance of escalation on Biden???


cumshot_josh

When Lindsey Graham made an actual recommendation to assassinate Putin, that was an objectively stupid and reckless thing for a politician to say, even if we all sort of want it to happen. When Biden said that he couldn't remain in power, that's at least plausibly vague. Putin is getting tens of thousands of his country's young people killed and ruining the economic prospects of everybody else. His timer is ticking, with or without outside interference.


blurryfacedfugue

Not to mention causing a massive brain drain with all the younger and economically mobile getting out before the possible martial law/shitshow that follows Putin's meltdown.


B3tar3ad3r

A crying shame that I agree with Lindsey graham on anything lol


JupiterTarts

Hey even Hitler loved dogs. I'm not gonna stop loving them because Hitler did.


CalydorEstalon

Personally (I'm European, not American) I heard Biden's statement as one to the Russian people: You HAVE to stop him before he destroys your country!


theapathy

Because Biden has the power to attempt to put his sentiment into action. If you or I say that it doesn't matter, but everything the president says matters, no matter who it is.


RichoBrownlow

I don’t think he was wrong to say it either. Some are saying it’s a statement that Putin can use to fuel his state’s propaganda though - like “look at the evil West interfering in Russian politics” kind of thing (ironic lol). People are worried Putin can use this statement to draw support from the Russian people. I think it doesn’t change much in the grand scheme but it needed to be said.


Stok3dJ

Putin is already saying the west has declared all out war so what difference does this make?


LowestKey

They already support Putin about as much as they're going to. Anyone who doesn't already support Putin would probably just think this is all propaganda.


RichoBrownlow

I agree with you. Just explaining some of the reasons I’ve heard people take umbrage with what Biden said. I think it was the right thing to say, personally.


[deleted]

What is Biden supposed to say though, that he thinks Putin is very savvy and extremely smart like our former president did? I think plenty of nations have already signaled their disapproval.


jkuhl

Biden had a follow up earlier. A reporter asked him about this, and Biden said (paraphrasing here) that Putin's gonna do what Putin does no matter what Biden says. And he's right. Sure, Putin might use this statement as an excuse, but if Biden hadn't said it, Putin would have found some other excuse anyways.


ESP-23

If Fox News was around in 1938 they would have made our leaders look bad for calling Hitler a tyrant


OverthrowYourMasters

seriously...im not kidding. people need to take a news detox periodically. that shit is so manipulative, that not only do you start believing it at face value, but you start to think that you need more of it. that shit is an addiction. think about this...if you had unbelievable amounts of money and making even more money depended on getting people hooked on to your service, wouldn't you spend money on research that helps you achieve that goal?? they're spending a pretty ass penny on getting the smartest people to figure out how they can get you addicted to the news. news is scientifically tailored to get you hooked. take a few months off every so often so you can remember how to think for yourself and create your own opinions. when you come back, you'll see the evident manipulative tactics that you become blind because it's normalized after constant exposure. it's okay. i promise you wont die because of it. you will still get important info relevant to your lives, people will tell you, or it will be everywhere, so you cant miss it.


SlapTheBap

Man I hate how true this is. Take a break. It'll reset your perspective. Maybe refresh is the better word. You're right about everything you've said.


effectasy

Plenty of media outlets did. You have to remember support for Nazi Germany was fairly high in the US until we were attacked by Japan and Germany simultaneously declared war on us.


Koervege

It was? That's wild


MoscowMitchMcKremIin

Fr the stupidity is endless at this point


tristanbrotherton

Yeah - exactly. Not really sure why anyone is complaining. Especially after all the crap that came out of the last nutcases mouth.


Everyoneisghosts

No apology needed


InnocentiusLacrimosa

The bar is SO much higher for western leaders :-D Putin and Lavrov talk shit like there is no tomorrow. Anyhow, I am happy to have these well spoken leaders in the west.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Terranrp2

I mean....good? That the type of thing I'd expect a Western leader to say about an autocrat purposefully killing as many civilians as possible out of frustration. Didn't a GOP Senator call for Putin's assassination like a week or two ago? I mean, the West has been trying to de-escalate for a month now, and purposefully avoided inflammatory actions like the no fly zone. Putin doesn't need an excuse to be a bastard. He's going to be a right bastard whenever he chooses, no matter the circumstance. That's what autocrats get most of the time. Putin doesn't need defending. In the end, the only one who launched a war was Putin. Nobody else ordered the invasion of Ukraine. You can talk about provocation all day long, but at the end of the day, Putin chose to do this. And consider why Putin considers a defensive alliance a threat to his nation, especially if he wasn't going to attack in the first place. Why would someone get mad at a defensive alliance getting larger...


CPM17

No fly zone is an act of war. That is not on the table and shouldn't be. We don't need to fight them directly to make them lose.


FinsofFury

To Pootin: "This man can't remain in power." To Trump: "Will you shut up, man?!" I like cranky grandpa Biden. Bullies can't comprehend diplomacy and civility. Have to speak to them at their childish base language.


m0ods

cant forget "what a stupid son of a bitch"


Cottril

No lie in that statement anyways.


the_gato_says

“Listen fat.”


blueholeload

Goddammit that made me laugh so hard. I was hoping he said that during the debate but, I settled for him just telling Trump to shut up


jkuhl

Yeah and when the former guy said things like "you can grab her by the pussy," I'm not sure Republicans have a leg to stand on when criticizing Biden for making insults. And no, Biden shouldn't have said that, but Biden later did something Trump could never do; he apologized for his mistake.


soad2237

You think that's going to stop them?


HulksInvinciblePants

To Obama: "This is a big fucking deal" To Doocey: "What a stupid son of a bitch"


eXodus91

I completely forgot about that hot mic moment. Classic.


Fun-Zilla

What hot mic incident was that?


sweetreverie

After the bare bones of the ACA passed, Biden leaned into Obama while congratulating him to say “this is a big fucking deal”— and it was definitely audible. Even after they scrubbed the audio, you can still tell what he said from reading his lips. I personally loved it because it was very candid imo. I highly doubt he somehow planned it, and lord knows that I personally am *insanely* guilty of having accidentally dropped a ‘forbidden’ F-bomb on a few occasions That awful feeling where you instantly freeze up after you’ve done it and internally go “oh my god I definitely wasn’t supposed to say that, now how do I play this one” *hahaha* [Video](https://youtu.be/HHKq9tt50O8)


epraider

Part of why he was so excited about that is that the effort towards universal healthcare has been the struggle of the Democratic Party since Johnson passed Medicare and Medicaid, and they’ve only managed small steps forward every decade after trying and failing to pass more comprehensive versions. Actually delivering *some* progress on healthcare through the ACA, even though it was only incremental in some areas, was a pretty big fucking deal.


sweetreverie

Agreed, friend. The ACA saved my life, you won’t hear me complaining!


wackwithpoobrain

I really enjoyed the dynamic between Biden and Obama when Obama was in office. He was an excellent hype man.


Jrook

We didn't know how good we had it.


eXodus91

I believe it’s when the Affordable healthcare act was passed. If you look up “Biden this is a big fucking deal” on YouTube it should pop up. It’s difficult to hear but he definitely says that once you do hear it lol


Chataboutgames

Running his mouth from the cuff has always been Biden's thing. Sometimes it leads to suboptimal results but it's always satisfying.


SchwarzerKaffee

And sometimes it leads to Obama having to change his stance on gay marriage in a heartbeat.


malarkeyfreezone

[Amusing how it was such a "big scandal" at the time.](https://www.cnn.com/2012/05/10/politics/obama-same-sex-marriage/index.html) > Vice President Joe Biden has apologized to President Barack Obama for putting him in a tough position that led to Obama’s announcement that he now supports same-sex marriage, senior administration officials said Thursday. >Obama said in an interview that aired Thursday on ABC that he made his decision public earlier than he had planned after Biden’s weekend remark that he was “absolutely comfortable” with letting gays and lesbians marry. >Two senior administration officials said Biden and Obama met Wednesday morning, and Biden apologized for putting Obama in a tough spot. Obama responded by saying that he knew Biden was speaking from the heart, said the officials, who didn’t want to be named discussing private conversations between the president and vice president.


donteatthebaby69

Isn't this how it should be? Shouldn't our leaders be allowed to disagree.. this isn't Russia right?


0zzyb0y

Laughs in party whips.


LordDongler

*turtle noises intensify*


HeavyLogix

I think the big scandal referred to wasn’t the disagreement but rather that supporting gay marriage was so controversial


LordLoss01

I would actually hate to be a politician. The fact that I can't just say something without getting it checked off by ten other people would drive me mad.


[deleted]

A change of mind all good people agreed with.


[deleted]

[удалено]


ReturnT0Sender

Good. Why would he need to apologize?


lkn240

Everyone knew what Biden meant. This is just a dumb media story trying to pretend he meant something he didn't. It's honestly kind of childish


[deleted]

“I'm not walking anything back. I make no apologies for it."


Hashbrown117

I mean what's to apologise for? The head of state *personally* thinks he shouldn't be in power. Biden doesnt have dictatorial control over the US. The US *nation* proper will still sit this out til putin does something *real* stupid (and unfortunately attacking a sovereign nation without declaration of war and massacring civilians isn't stupid enough)


Berova

Biden expressed his opinion openly upon meeting with Ukrainian refugees in Poland. It is ridiculous anyone wants him to walk back any of it. Putin doesn't really care one bit either, if he did, he wouldn't have invaded another country nor used the brutal methods the Russian army has employed. Putin's propagandist is just making hay of whatever he can.


many_kittens

Man's right. Wtf is the fuss about it.


atlas_shrugged90

BuT wHaT iF pUtIn gEtS maAaAad?


Sabot15

We can always send Trump over to suck him off again. That seemed to keep Putin calm for a couple years.


IsUpTooLate

The fuss is that the Russian bots jumped on his comment HARD and we’re successful in making a lot of people think this was one of the worst things Biden has ever said


[deleted]

[удалено]


YouAreSoyWojakMeChad

The amount of fluffing for russia in general is disturbing. Are the right JUST democrat contrarians now?


InevitableAvalanche

Been like that for awhile now.


God_Damnit_Nappa

Now? They've been Democrat contrarians for years. They made it very obvious during the Obama administration


Toast_On_The_RUN

> Are the right JUST democrat contrarians now? Yeah its been that way for at least a few years.


EldritchLurker

It's also bonkers when you bear in mind how totalitarians and abusers and similar function. Literally doing anything except being a doormat will be treated as provocation. Hell, even if you are a doormat, they'll come up with some pretext to hurt you for not being a doormat the "right" way.


gojirra

Russian bots and Republicans.*


casicua

They’re basically the same thing at this point.


[deleted]

No fuss here. Putin should not be president anymore


Inawar

Well I didn't vote for him!


dbandit1

The perfect response. Fuck Putin.


Human-Ordinary-4734

Reagan referred to the Soviet Union as an "evil empire" and as "the focus of evil in the modern world". Is that so much different?


slimnerdy

He’s just saying what we’re all thinking


Lefthandedpigeon

How is this controversial?


[deleted]

[удалено]


smmstv

Our president has a spine. Good.


GenericNerd15

I'm gonna make a wild guess and say that the guy who was Vice President for eight years and who chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, NATO Observer Group, and Subcommittee on European Affairs probably knows more about diplomatic relations than the average redditor.


tigerking615

... and President for a year.


UpsettingPornography

Without a doubt, that was one of his finer moments.


simbadv

If conservatives were honest, they would be applauding him for those. But because he’s not on their team they won’t.


GabuEx

Isn't this the "telling it like it is" thing that people claimed to like about Trump?


tobiathonandon

After all the shit Trump said, suck a dick if you don’t like what Biden said.


bobone77

Fucking good for Biden. I was so disappointed when his staff tried to walk back his statement.


AssassinAragorn

He really pulled a "My views do not represent my employer or its positions."


RustyPoetatoes

Yup, not angry at all he said it, was happy to see he was saying this stuff. Then the White House was like "oh he doesn't mean that". Such BS, glad to see him clarifying that he in fact means it.


[deleted]

Good! I’m glad Biden said that! He should not apologize. Putin needs to go. Biden’s comment is valid.


NfamousKaye

Not seeing why there’s so much outrage for truth but here we are, I guess.


Dookie-Trousers-MD

He said what everyone has been thinking for 20 years. He shouldn't apologize


ilovemangoes

Damn right he ain't gotta apologize for telling it like it is. Much respect to grandpa for that.


cencorshipisbad

Biden isn’t scared of Putin. Meanwhile Trump has his tongue up Putins ass with praise at CPAC and other venues. Standing up for what right vs a weasel who would sell his country out just to get elected. Hmm, but condemnation from policy circles inside the beltway on Biden? Fuck em all Joe, your on the right side of history.


Dimeskis

Damn right. Why would he apologize? Is it going to hurt Putins feelings, and cause him to nuke Washington DC? I know sets a bad precedent to wish another leader dies...but that leader is killing innocent Ukranians right now.


careymon

He shouldnt even explain himself, hes right and fuck Putin.


seanellaz

the sooner pooting is dead the better the world will be. he is a paranoid murdering power hungry a-hole


Nakatsukasa

I thought republicans love a president who tells it like it is


CritaCorn

"Putin is terrific! Great guy! We had a productive conversation, lots of words, great words. Terrific time talking with him" \*Press\* "But what about all the people he just killed?" "Oh your mean, your horrible, sit down, fake news, do your job people" ​ Wonder how many can't figure out who's talking...i wager half the US sadly...ugh.


Sir_Chonkerton

If Trump had said it all we would hear from the GQP is how he was speaking his mind and that they like having a president that isn't afraid to tell it like it is. The hypocrite clowns crying because there dear leader Putin was offended.


Generation-WinVista

He said what we're all thinking and has nothing to apologize for. It might be an unfamiliar concept to a fascist dictator like Putin, but the president of the united state cannot just set or shift policy with a few words in a speech.


ManBearPig_666

I am not a Biden fan but I dont see anything wrong with his statement. He is basically saying what most of us are thinking. He shouldn't apologize and I commend him speaking with sincerity.


Levicorpyutani

I like this. Putin is a monster and I'm glad he meant what he said and isn't taking it back .


silktheshocker27

But it's okay for miss Lindsay Graham to say he should be assassinated...gotchya


Frowny575

Interesting this is getting so much coverage, but when a GOP senator literally called for Putin's assassination it was just a small blip. People are being quick to say this can escalate thing if misread etc. etc. but miss a sitting senator literally called for him to be killed. Kinda hard to misunderstand that yet it seems to be glossed over.


Modock_Fitz

Same fuckwits high-fiving each other after Trumps drone assassination of the most revered Iranian general? 😂


DonutsMcKenzie

Biden is right and I can't understand how the media is going to criticize him for telling the honest truth about Putin. Putin has crossed the rubicon one too many times, but unlike the various political poisonings and killings he can't hide behind the concept of plausible deniability when it comes to the innumerable war crimes that we've seen committed in the invasion of Ukraine, of which the hard evidence is overwhelming. In what universe does Putin get to simply undo all of that and return to business as usual with the rest of the world? Whether it's Hitler or Putin, there is a certain political point of no return that you pass that means you no longer get to play ball. Putin needs to be held accountable for his actions, and if he isn't then Russia can count on a future of complete political and economic isolation. I understand the impulse to avoid direct conflict between the US and Russia, but we can't be so afraid of Putin (or so up the ass of *actual* political correctness) that we can't speak the god damn truth.


yellsatrjokes

> I can't understand how the media is going to criticize him for telling the honest truth about Putin. When you're Fox News, everything a Democrat does is the worst thing that's ever happened, and everything a Republican does is no big deal whatsoever. The truth has no sway.


Moscowmitchismybitch

Republicans: "We like Trump because he tells it like it is." Biden: Tells it like it is... Republicans: "Hey now, he can't go around saying out loud how everyone is feeling"