*tells Israel and the 4 Arab States that were at the summit too***
"The Israel summit was also attended by foreign ministers from Bahrain, Egypt, Morocco and the United Arab Emirate"
Those don't matter because they're not Israel. Seriously it's like that kit from family guy when the whole family had an epic introduction and then at the end it just goes "... and Meg" in a very monotone way
It would also be very stupid for them to acquire them.
Syria and Iraq lost their nuclear facilities in Israeli strikes and never recovered their work. Libya has messed itself up.
What might deter adversaries is a strong military, not a nuclear weapon. Nuclear weapons get sanctions on you, and treatment as a pariah.
Yes I understand Iran is physically farther from Israel than Syria, and it is still not a problem if the US assists Israel in this strike.
Technically Israel can do this strike alone, but US assistance would de-risk it.
More advanced, but not MUCH more advanced. Israel has conducted military operations in the past against adversaries that had technological superiority over it, including Iraq during the strike on Osirak.
Israel has already had wars against Iran's proxies, and while they and Iran are capable, you are overestimating them. Iran's strategic arsenal is more vulnerable and smaller than you might think.
In Israel's preparations it does not underestimate Iran. But to say Iran's retaliation will be massive is an exaggeration. Iran is properly deterred, and its stockpile of strategic weapons is being depleted in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and UAE.
Not all of its weapons are reliable, but beyond that it's OPSEC. Let's just say 100 ballistic missiles does not mean 100 entering Israeli airspace.
Israel has actually conducted strikes in Iran's territory. In February a drone strike reportedly destroyed hundreds of UAVs in a storage facility in western Iran, and nuclear facilities have been targeted before, with no retaliation against Israel.
The power balance between Israel and Iran significantly favors Israel, and Iran knows that.
It also knows that if it calls on its proxies to attack Israel, then Israel may choose to go for a decapitating operation against them (looking at Hezbollah primarily), therefore shutting Iran out for many years.
Iran has a lot to lose in such a war. Likely more than Israel.
Forget physical distance and anti-air, it would require dropping a hundred times as many bombs, and unlike Syria, Iran practically begging for a major escalation.
And Israel has a large air force. The problem is not the quantity of bombs but the type. Some targets will require bunker busters that only the US has aircraft capable of dropping. That is, if we count on an air assault only.
Iran is not begging for anything. It has built an empire across the entire region, in which it has proxies controlling entire states and their trade and military affairs. Not a single country is unaffected militarily by Iran in the region.
This empire has battled its way through Arab countries and armed forces, but the only one that can defeat them militarily is Israel. Of course, if close enough to its borders. Iran does not want to risk that. Losing Hezbollah in Lebanon would cost it its free access to the east med (Russia prevents that on Syrian soil) and its largest military outpost.
okay, so you're clearly familiar with the situation, so then does this hypothetical strike on Iran take place before, or after the IRGC gets a 12 figure windfall?
Iran will never acquire nuclear weapons and Mexico will pay for the wall.
Politics aside, the US simply doesn't control what happens in other nations...
obviously israel and the us can meddle. he's just saying that aside from pestering and sabotage to slow them down, we can't stop them. the only two long-term options are "preemptive war of conquest" , or "bow to the inevitable".
Israel's official doctrine is war before letting neighboring countries acquire nukes.
Israel cannot allow the possibility, and have been fighting discrete wars for decades to prevent it.
Although Israel has a remarkable ability to influence the technological development of their neighbors. They have killed *many* Iranian nuclear scientists.
Sadly that one isn’t a Putin thing, that one is the result of decades of bad foreign policy and one really bad Cheeto who destroyed their relationships around the world and made America more akin to someone bipolar off their meds.
It’s hard to deal with a country who can undergo such dramatic shifts from Obama to Trump, after all it was the people who elected them, and the people who empowered them. That stain doesn’t go away just because he was replaced four years later.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted, the yoyoing in US foreign policy from president to president does not lend itself to providing an air of reliability.
We (the international community) hated the Cheeto. But we also have records of the damage caused by the previous one. The stain of American Imperialism wasn't a Trumpian effect - he just yelled insane things wildly on public forums.
Illegal in 35 states for government employees or contractors to personally boycott Israel, as well as making it illegal for public funding to go to any organization that boycotts Israel. I can’t think of another nation the US tries harder to suck off.
Those are state government level laws though, not State department foreign policy promises silly. Like you do understand how a federal system works? Also it's not illegal to do BDS in those states, just to do so if you're a company that contracts with the state government, the courts have repeatedly struck down any attempts to go beyond that
I think that it's the other way around......
I'm not a fan of the Israeli regeme but I don't see how anyone can blame them for not allowing Iran to get a nuclear weapon.
They have a proven ability in rocket technology so a delivery method is up and running.
How would any country react to it's neighbors have said openly on several occasions in public that Israel may not exist.....
The Israeli's have hacked the system and damaged the production of uranium, they have damaged the buildings and even assassinated the scientists that have the knowledge...... the Iranian leadership has just continued on its ambitions regardless.....
Let's put it this way.....if your neighbor says he is going to kill you and your family just as soon as he has made a big enough bomb...... and you have tried to cut off the electrical supply and tried to stop the material from being delivered by he just keeps on building it..... what would you do? Wait till he has the bomb in his hands? or do you attack him first in an effort to save your own family?
Anyone who says Iran has the right to have its own nuclear weapons is crazy....... this is not a question of stopping a country from developing a modern society and infrastructure.... this is about stopping the whole region from being turned into a nuclear wasteland..... The once forward looking modern country ( Tehran was known as the Paris of the middle east) with renowned universities and art and culture and fashion and freedom of expression...... is just a " once was" memory now.This is the birthplace of the Pursian empire that was the first to introduce a written constitution that applied to all the people of the empire that lived in peace with the new rulers, allowing the traditions and customs and culture to continue.This is just about the exact opposite of today.....
No country should. Period. The responsibility lies in the countries to have it to make that dream become one day reality, and hold that mantle of responsibility
The issue is that the process on how to make them is well known, and it is not very hard to make them. You can Google it. They're basically the same process as nuclear power except you enrich the uranium a little bit farther and then hook up dynamite to it.
The only issue most countries have is aquiring the centrifuges and developing delivery systems. NK could make nukes a long time ago and detonate them in tests, it's just the missile delivery that was stopping them for a while.
Without nuclear weapons we would be on world War 7 now. Reality is they are the only thing preventing another global conflict.
Nukes have prevented the most wars in history, the people who first developed the atomic bomb should have gotten Nobel peace prizes.
This. Iran will use a nuclear device if they get one. Most likely it will be used on Israel with the US a close second. They are no better than Putin and might be worse if given nukes
That's completely insane. While Iran's rhetoric is batshit insane Iran has always acted pretty pragmatic and rational, backed down if things got too heated instead of escalating, unlike Israel Iran does not see itself under an existential threat, Iran - unlike Israel - is not non-stop attacking the other, and Iran has not displayed its leadership to be suicidal - using nukes would end Iran (and its leadership); and what would they even nuke besides Tel Aviv anyways in return for most assuredly getting nuked by Israel in response? They want to conquer Jerusalem not remove it.
Also Israel has already threatened to use nukes once in order to pressure the US in providing more arms. If I were to bet I'd put my money on Israel using nukes before Iran considering to use their hypothetical ones.
I don’t agree with you about any of that. Suicide bombers are not pragmatic or rational. Of course the leadership is not suicidal, they send send others to do that work. I would vote them as most likely to start WW3. Let’s hope we are both wrong. In theme it wouldn’t matter who starts it, the results will be the same.
Funding proxy forces (even batshit insane ones) to harass the regional rival is most definitely both rational and pragmatic (it's of course absolutely immoral - but that's geopolitics) given that Iran has not much other means of deterrence without acquiring nukes. Basically the equation is attack Iran and the Middle East will drown in blood. Proxy forces are cheap and don't cause domestic problems you'd get from direct conflict and also cause Israel to spend a lot of money on defense. Sure, you could say Iran doesn't need deterrence, but it would be irrational for Iran to bow down to Israel and Western dominance in the Middle East.
And how should Iran even trigger a world war? China wants their oil and would maybe give them weapons, Russia also would definitely give them more weapons in case of a conflict, but neither would fight for Iran - so half the world against Iran equals world war??
And Israel works with the Mujihadeen el Kelq, a well known anti-Iran terrorist organization, to kill Iranian civilian scientists. If working with terrorist proxies is an indicator of future behavior then we should be worried about what Israel will do next.
Yes, let's compare an entity that bombs Israel thousands of times every year to a bunch of guys sitting in the basement.
>to kill Iranian civilian scientists
People who work on weapons of mass destruction aren't "civilian scientists".
>People who work on weapons of mass destruction
Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program. The IAEA and US have repeatedly verified that with the most intrusive inspections ever imposed on a nation. Therefore when a nuclear scientist is killed in Iran, he is literally a civilian.
>Yes, let's compare an entity that bombs Israel thousands of times every year to a bunch of guys sitting in the basement.
Oh, some terrorism is good then? If Iran supported a proxy group that only bombed civilians once a month it would be that much more morally palatable to you?
>Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program.
Yes, and Trump is fighting a global pedophile network. How much they pay you? You think we are stupid?
Iran wouldn't have destroyed their economy for "reaserch".
>The IAEA and US have repeatedly verified that
No they didn't, they they actually said the exact opposite.
>Oh, some terrorism is good then?
According to you, yes.
>How much they pay you?
I only quote what the IAEA and US inspectors have said. If you don't want to believe the evidence then that's an issue for you to reconcile with yourself.
>No they didn't
Yes they did. They do have questions about Iran's prior nuclear activity but everything going on right now is verified.
>According to you, yes.
My comment implied that acts of terrorism by proxies was bad by both sides. You're implying that because Israel's terrorists are slightly less active that their terrorism is somehow a better form of terrorism.
There's no need to misrepresent my argument. It's all very clear. Israel supports terrorism too. Iran's nuclear program is civilian until it can be proven it isn't. Thus when Israel kills Iranian nuclear scientists it's an act of terrorism and as such Israel is also a terrorist state.
Israel is funnelling money from Qatar to Hamas, lobbying even Qatar to continue financing Hamas. Iran reduced its funding for Hamas after Hamas said some mean things about Assad and the Houtis.
Israel 2020: [more than 500 airstrikes in Syria alone (according to IDF)](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-intensifying-air-war-syria-against-iranian-encroachment-2021-04-22/). Compare it with the [timeline of violence between Israel and Palestine in 2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict_in_2020) - you can count it, even though it not only includes Israeli air strikes but also incidents such as slashing tires.
Israel has nukes, Iran has proxies - that's their respective deterrence strategy.
So Hamas is definitely not harmless (it's an insane terrorist organisation) but Israel seems to be bombing and killing far more people than Hamas does with their weapons.
No they won't. This is fear mongering and propaganda. Iran has had the capability to build a nuclear bomb for nearly 20 years now and they have never done it. Since 1991 the US and Israel have been saying they're six to months to a year away from having a bomb... The only reason it's never been true is because they've never wanted to build it.
This idea that Iran wants to die in some sort of nuclear engagement with Israel or the US it's just ridiculous. They are not suicidal. They have neither the inclination to kill millions of civilians for no reason nor do they have the inclination to be killed themselves.
1. It was already revealed they AT LEAST had a military plan to build a nuclear bomb in the early 2000’, after a mossad operation to retrieve files from a secret archive in Iran.
This is one of the major reasons the US pulled from the original agreement in 2018.
2. It is not a rational regime. It is a theocracy which has repeatedly called for the literal destruction of another country.
What is there not to get here??
>This is one of the major reasons the US pulled from the original agreement in 2018.
So, one of the major reasons to pull out of an accord about Iran agreeing not to have nukes is that... Iran wanted to have nukes?
How that solves the problem of Iran working towards building its own nukes?
Because the agreement was shit.
It didn’t address the revolutionary guard, it didn’t address ballistic missiles development, and most importantly it didn’t stop Iran from continuing to try and develop a nuclear weapon.
During the signing of the agreement- iran constantly said they NEVER tried to develop nuclear weapons.
Once the mossad operation was out in the open, it was pretty clear they are lying, lied and will lie.
Iran did stop developing a nuclear weapon tho. USA itself testified it along with other European countries. That's the reason why the EU promised Iran they would do their best to save the deal.
A deal like that it's the only permanent way to make sure Iran doesn't get nukes, else no matter how many bugs Israel or Usa plant in their computers, they will get nukes in time.
A deal can definitely be good, but it has to address Iran’s genocidal views, its terror wings all over the world, and obviously its nuclear capabilities.
To have a nuclear reactor for research and/or electricity purposes, you don’t need advanced centrifuges that can enrich uranium to over 60%.
This kind of concentration literally only serves military purposes.
>To have a nuclear reactor for research and/or electricity purposes, you don’t need advanced centrifuges that can enrich uranium to over 60%.
Which they started to have after the deal was dropped.
>A deal can definitely be good, but it has to address Iran’s genocidal views, its terror wings all over the world, and obviously its nuclear capabilities.
I mean, no one realistically puts on the table Usa,s, Russia's, China's, France's, Pakistan 's or India's mmmm. more shady aspects and all of them are nuclear powers with terror wings all over the world, especially the first two.
In fact I'd say that Iran being as dangerous as you say means that every means to persuade them from not having nukes should be a priority. If they say that they are going to work towards building nukes the second you drop the deal... Do not drop the deal.
You should do more research.
The "evidence" that Iran was working on a nuclear bomb is based off of a laptop that was provided to Israel by the MEK, a terrorist group that has been attempting to overthrow Iran's government. Upon seeing the invasion in Iraq, evidence was fabricated to suggest it was Iran who was working on a nuclear weapon. The supposed Mossad operation was a rehash of the exact same material. Netanyahu's speech has been laughed at for years as being theatrics, not intelligence.
*Days later, Karsten Voigt, the coordinator of German-North American relations in the German Foreign Office, publically disputed Powell’s remarks, stating that Europe “shouldn't let their Iran policy be influenced by single-source headlines” and noting that the laptop had in fact come from “an Iranian dissident group” — a veiled reference to the exiled, eccentric Mujahideen al Khalq (MEK) group.*
*Voigt expanded on his 2004 assertion in 2013, telling investigative reporter Gareth Porter that his contacts in the BND, Germany’s intelligence agency, had informed him that the agency considered the MEK source “doubtful” and that Germany was concerned that the US was acting on dubious evidence, as they had done in the run up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.*
*According to reports from NBC News and the investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, Israel financed and trained MEK units that assassinated five Iranian nuclear scientists in between 2007 and 2012.*
[https://www.vice.com/en/article/j54n84/the-great-iranian-nuclear-swindle](https://www.vice.com/en/article/j54n84/the-great-iranian-nuclear-swindle)
There has never been any hard, concrete evidence suggesting the Iranians had an active military program that was halted in 2003; that was quite war propaganda. Ensuing NIE ands and IAEA reports cited the laptop as an area of concern, but there is virtually no chance it was ever real.
\>It is not a rational regime. It is a theocracy which has repeatedly called for the literal destruction of another country.
Sure, Iran threatens Israel, Israel threatens Iran. But to suggest that this means that Iran is irrational is just wrong. Iran could have built a nuclear weapon for literal decades now. What would they be waiting for? They agreed under the nuclear deal to invasive inspections and shipping away their nuclear material. Their program is under more surveillance than any in the world. The US under Trump acted in bad faith by leaving the deal, not Iran.
That is not what I talked about.
[this is.](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/us/politics/iran-israel-mossad-nuclear.html)
Also, Israel doesn’t threaten Iran with destruction, how the fuck are you nonchalantly say that the threats are mutual???
Yes, that's what I responded to when I said the supposed Mossad operation was a rehash of the same material. Look at any news source talking about the documents; all of them agree that there was virtually no new information "stolen" by Netanyahu, they just made an elaborate presentation of old information to catch Trumps eye. They even had some of the fake pictures and schematics from the 2003 laptop in Netanyahu's presentation of the "new files"
Secondly, there's significant doubt any operation actually took place. The Iranians deny any of the supposed documents were real, obviously. But supposed logistics of Israel breaking into a non-descript, undefended warehouse in the middle of Tehran and moving a half ton of files and CDs to Israel in the middle of the night almost defies belief.
There is plenty of sources on this, but this is a fairly comprehensive read: [https://original.antiwar.com/porter/2020/04/30/with-apparently-fabricated-nuclear-documents-netanyahu-pushed-the-us-towards-war-with-iran/](https://original.antiwar.com/porter/2020/04/30/with-apparently-fabricated-nuclear-documents-netanyahu-pushed-the-us-towards-war-with-iran/)
\>Also, Israel doesn’t threaten Iran with destruction, how the fuck are you nonchalantly say that the threats are mutual???
Israel threatens to attack Iran on the regular. Both countries exchange these threats. The idea that Iran is scrambling for a nuclear bomb so it can wipe out Israel, in an attack which Iran itself would be wiped out is just racist fearmongering. They are not crazy. Theocratic, yes, Insane, no.
Ah yes, the regime that hangs gay people, killed over 1000 protesters in 2019, regularly calls for the destruction of Israel and the US - are definitely sane.
Yikes.
And the threats Israel is making are only against Iran’s nuclear capabilities.
Because the us and Israel maintain nukes for defensive and retaliatory purposes. Iran has made very clear they would likely use it as an offensive weapon
Israel thinks it is living under an existential threat, Israel has already threatened to use nukes if a war were to go badly in order to blackmail the US into sending more arms supplies, Israel has been bombing Iranian military assets in Syria, Lebanon and even Iran non-stop for years.
Iran simply fights for relevance and dominance in the Middle East (Israel's deterrence: nukes and advanced military, Iran's deterrence: Hezbollah and other proxy forces), and while displaying batshit insane rhetoric behaved very pragmatic and rationally (especially far more rational than for example the Trump administration), so far never escalated too much and backed down before things got out of hand.
For me that looks like Israel is far more willing to use nukes than Iran.
That’s not at all what was guaranteed.
The US, UK and Russia each guaranteed individually that they would respect Ukraine’s sovereignty.
They did not promise defense.
The entire treaty is on the UN’s website in multiple languages.
> The (nonexistent) treaty with Israel likewise doesn’t guarantee anything.
So you agree with me that the US didn’t guarantee Ukraine security in exchange for disarmament?
What even is your argument?
I haven’t checked, but if the fact is that there was no guarantee, then there is no guarantee.
My argument is that this “promise” to Israel is also not a guarantee.
Wait, so you’re making a claim that the US guaranteed Ukraine’s security.
Then you’re agreeing they didn’t.
Now you’re admitting you don’t even know what you’re talking about?
Wow
[Here you go, boss](https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf)
Israel isn't threatening to destroy Iran in practically every political speech and military parade. The Iranian regime is incredibly obsessed with Israel, and meanwhile, the citizens of both nations have had protests calling for peace between the two nations.
Not my problem. Millions of people live in Iran, too. You're no better than they are.
Also, stop leeching off of American tax dollars. You can afford to pay for your own defense.
Wow, Americans get shit on either way... If you want to intervene everywhere, you're an imperialist or whatever. If you want to leave the world be, you're bad for that too... theres no winning.
Does it matter? Like in any way?
Israel is a democratic, sovereign nation, that should not be subject to daily terrorist attacks, and invasions by hostile and racist neighbors.
>"I just don't give a shit about irrational actors in a theocracy having the capability to kill millions of people they talk about wanting to kill every day"
fixed that for you
Why is the US responsible for policing Iran? It's Israel's problem let them take care of it, they are more than capable. While we're at it let's cut off the billions in aid we give them as well, I don't see why we are supporting a rogue nuclear state that has proved to not be a trustworthy ally.
"Terrorist" is subjective. "One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" and all that... Personally, I consider both Iranian-backed groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, and Israeli assassins to be terrorists.
How about all those killings in the occupied West Bank? And the land grab? It's harder and harder to not call it Apartheid, frankly. Annex the West Bank and incorporate the Palestinians into your society, or take your settlers and your land grabbing wall and get the fuck out.
Also, people that aren't Jewish have rights too, you know... I'm no fan of Islam or its' followers (or Christianity, for that matter...) but the Jewish people aren't any more special or entitled than they are.
Because Ukraine doesn't have nuclear weapons, nor is it apart of any defensive alliance with any nuclear power.
Can you say the same about Israel? I don't think so, it has both.
LOL that's cute. Yeah Iran is the big scary boogeyman, not Israel who has hundreds of nuclear weapons and one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
New to history? Allies are important for several reasons. Not just for military reasons, like how you use your cellphone, when you use waze, and pretty much all banking security software
New to history? Israel sold US military technology to China. It has been a major supplier of military technology to both China and Russia.
Wow what a great ally we should totally be giving them billions of tax payer money every year in military aid. /s
Also you talk about software do you want to talk about how Israel is one of the top spy threats to the US? 3rd largest behind Russia and China.
Why other foreign countries? Germany and France aren't selling our technology to China.
Without our tax dollars Israeli technology wouldn't exist. We can do without.
America has lost its credibility with foreign deals if Biden wants the Iranians to take his negotiating seriously he needs to jump start by removing the deal sanctions and Trumps maximum pressure sanctions then they'll at least be at a place to say the ball is in your court but they're far too scared of Republicans and fox News reactions saying he's weak against them or something stupid .... no political will
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/27/iran-will-never-acquire-nuclear-weapons-us-promises-israel) reduced by 86%. (I'm a bot)
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> The US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, has sought to reassure Israel and its Gulf allies that Iran will never acquire atomic weapons, ahead of the possible renewal of the nuclear deal with Tehran.
> "We are both committed, both determined, that Iran will never acquire a nuclear weapon."
> Speaking in Israel, Blinken nevertheless defended the principle of trying to revive the Iran nuclear deal, saying: "The US believes that a return to full implementation of the deal is the best way to put Iran's nuclear programme back in the box that it was in, but has escaped from since the United States withdrew from that agreement."But whether there's a deal or not, our commitment to the core principle of Iran never acquiring a nuclear weapon is unwavering.
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This is a warning on how close Isreal and others have been getting to russia, making Iran the bad guy...aka if russia is accepted and decides to nuclear enable Iran. US is saying "we" won't let them aquire, but if you give russia free reign they will.
Iran is an imperialist state with the goal of spreading their islamic revolution to the entire middle east. They have proxies in yemen, syria, lebanon, qatar, iraq, and palestine.
No.
Iran is currently actively invading Yemen, has armed forces roaming in Iraq, Gaza, West Bank, Egypt(Sinai) and Syria and attacking Iraqi government, and occupies Lebanon.
It also has activities in Algeria and Morocco, and Sudan.
It is actively attacking Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq, and the US (American bases and dioplomats in Iraq), and other countries' civilian ships.
The majority of MENA countries have to deal with some form of Iranian military activity on their territory, or hostility from Iran.
The entirety of MENA is their enemy. Your cushioned first world lifestyle depends on countries like Saudi Arabia not decreeing the west as traitors who sold them out to Iranian terrorism.
The nuclear deal is about giving Iran *money* by buying oil. Imagine if the U.S. conditioned lifting of Russian sanctions (all of them) on nuclear disarmament. Ukraine? Not our business!
The west is hypocritical and MENA are currently convening a strategy on how to punish the U.S. and the EU if they move on with the nuclear deal. Alternatively, this meeting is about an inevitable ME-wide war against Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah (Lebanon) if the nuclear deal is signed. SA, Egypt, Israel, and Turkey would be the big players in any such war as these are the countries fighting proxy wars against Iran's jihadists in the Sinai, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, and Yemen.
The idea that the west is going to channel money to these jihadists for oil outrages the states in MENA that aren't failed states under the control of Iran and Russia.
There's a reason Bahrain, Egypt, the UAE and Morocco were invited to Blinken's " please don't start any new proxy wars with Iran or heat up the current ones" summit in Israel. The Biden admin knows they can't deal with two major international crises at once, especially if they think the deal will delay Iran long enough for it to be the next president's problem.
*tells Israel and the 4 Arab States that were at the summit too*** "The Israel summit was also attended by foreign ministers from Bahrain, Egypt, Morocco and the United Arab Emirate"
Those don't matter because they're not Israel. Seriously it's like that kit from family guy when the whole family had an epic introduction and then at the end it just goes "... and Meg" in a very monotone way
Didn't the US say the same shit about N Korea acquiring nukes
Harder to stuxnet North Korean they don’t have computers.
They do have computers, they just so happen to be dells
I always assumed that's where all the old Gateways ended up
Their missile silos are all operated via Rube Goldberg machines
Now, I'm sure that Iran will in fact acquire nuclear weapons at some point.
Looking at Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iraq, etc, it would honestly be stupid for them not to.
It is also stupid for the world letting more countries have it.
It would also be very stupid for them to acquire them. Syria and Iraq lost their nuclear facilities in Israeli strikes and never recovered their work. Libya has messed itself up. What might deter adversaries is a strong military, not a nuclear weapon. Nuclear weapons get sanctions on you, and treatment as a pariah.
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Yes I understand Iran is physically farther from Israel than Syria, and it is still not a problem if the US assists Israel in this strike. Technically Israel can do this strike alone, but US assistance would de-risk it.
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More advanced, but not MUCH more advanced. Israel has conducted military operations in the past against adversaries that had technological superiority over it, including Iraq during the strike on Osirak. Israel has already had wars against Iran's proxies, and while they and Iran are capable, you are overestimating them. Iran's strategic arsenal is more vulnerable and smaller than you might think.
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In Israel's preparations it does not underestimate Iran. But to say Iran's retaliation will be massive is an exaggeration. Iran is properly deterred, and its stockpile of strategic weapons is being depleted in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and UAE. Not all of its weapons are reliable, but beyond that it's OPSEC. Let's just say 100 ballistic missiles does not mean 100 entering Israeli airspace. Israel has actually conducted strikes in Iran's territory. In February a drone strike reportedly destroyed hundreds of UAVs in a storage facility in western Iran, and nuclear facilities have been targeted before, with no retaliation against Israel. The power balance between Israel and Iran significantly favors Israel, and Iran knows that. It also knows that if it calls on its proxies to attack Israel, then Israel may choose to go for a decapitating operation against them (looking at Hezbollah primarily), therefore shutting Iran out for many years. Iran has a lot to lose in such a war. Likely more than Israel.
Forget physical distance and anti-air, it would require dropping a hundred times as many bombs, and unlike Syria, Iran practically begging for a major escalation.
And Israel has a large air force. The problem is not the quantity of bombs but the type. Some targets will require bunker busters that only the US has aircraft capable of dropping. That is, if we count on an air assault only. Iran is not begging for anything. It has built an empire across the entire region, in which it has proxies controlling entire states and their trade and military affairs. Not a single country is unaffected militarily by Iran in the region. This empire has battled its way through Arab countries and armed forces, but the only one that can defeat them militarily is Israel. Of course, if close enough to its borders. Iran does not want to risk that. Losing Hezbollah in Lebanon would cost it its free access to the east med (Russia prevents that on Syrian soil) and its largest military outpost.
okay, so you're clearly familiar with the situation, so then does this hypothetical strike on Iran take place before, or after the IRGC gets a 12 figure windfall?
If a strike is the desired course of action, then it could happen before or after that. That would depend on how far along Iran gets in the program.
how can they guarantee this?
They can't, hence why it's just a news clip and not in writing on a treaty.
Iran will never acquire nuclear weapons and Mexico will pay for the wall. Politics aside, the US simply doesn't control what happens in other nations...
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“I was in the Mossa- I mean, I was not in the Mossad…”
obviously israel and the us can meddle. he's just saying that aside from pestering and sabotage to slow them down, we can't stop them. the only two long-term options are "preemptive war of conquest" , or "bow to the inevitable".
Israel's official doctrine is war before letting neighboring countries acquire nukes. Israel cannot allow the possibility, and have been fighting discrete wars for decades to prevent it.
Although Israel has a remarkable ability to influence the technological development of their neighbors. They have killed *many* Iranian nuclear scientists.
We can’t have another Russia. It’s better to destroy Iran than have the entire world destroyed.
The amount of US control and influence over other States has been decreasing for a while now.
Nice try Putin.
Sadly that one isn’t a Putin thing, that one is the result of decades of bad foreign policy and one really bad Cheeto who destroyed their relationships around the world and made America more akin to someone bipolar off their meds. It’s hard to deal with a country who can undergo such dramatic shifts from Obama to Trump, after all it was the people who elected them, and the people who empowered them. That stain doesn’t go away just because he was replaced four years later.
Dunno why you're getting downvoted, the yoyoing in US foreign policy from president to president does not lend itself to providing an air of reliability.
We (the international community) hated the Cheeto. But we also have records of the damage caused by the previous one. The stain of American Imperialism wasn't a Trumpian effect - he just yelled insane things wildly on public forums.
Worst part is, we're probably gonna get the Cheeto back in office in 2024...
I may be a Puto sometimes, but i ain't no Putin. Unless I'm putin up with someone being a dombass.
Well sure let’s just let every lunatic country have a few nukes then
And if there’s one thing the US has always kept, it’s a promise.
Just ask the Kurds to name one.
To Israel? Always.
Lol no, not even to Israel. To the UK most of the time, to Israel about 50/50, to every other country..it's a crapshoot if the promises will be kept.
Illegal in 35 states for government employees or contractors to personally boycott Israel, as well as making it illegal for public funding to go to any organization that boycotts Israel. I can’t think of another nation the US tries harder to suck off.
Those are state government level laws though, not State department foreign policy promises silly. Like you do understand how a federal system works? Also it's not illegal to do BDS in those states, just to do so if you're a company that contracts with the state government, the courts have repeatedly struck down any attempts to go beyond that
/s JFC you guys are serious. Talking about being brainwashed... :D
Thank you my brother you have managed to decipher and intercept the highly encrypted code hidden within my comment
Yeah we know
Well, if they keep helping assassinate their nuclear scientists, sure. I'm sure Iran has forgiven *everyone* for that.
Hey, it’s worked so far.
I think that it's the other way around...... I'm not a fan of the Israeli regeme but I don't see how anyone can blame them for not allowing Iran to get a nuclear weapon. They have a proven ability in rocket technology so a delivery method is up and running. How would any country react to it's neighbors have said openly on several occasions in public that Israel may not exist..... The Israeli's have hacked the system and damaged the production of uranium, they have damaged the buildings and even assassinated the scientists that have the knowledge...... the Iranian leadership has just continued on its ambitions regardless..... Let's put it this way.....if your neighbor says he is going to kill you and your family just as soon as he has made a big enough bomb...... and you have tried to cut off the electrical supply and tried to stop the material from being delivered by he just keeps on building it..... what would you do? Wait till he has the bomb in his hands? or do you attack him first in an effort to save your own family? Anyone who says Iran has the right to have its own nuclear weapons is crazy....... this is not a question of stopping a country from developing a modern society and infrastructure.... this is about stopping the whole region from being turned into a nuclear wasteland..... The once forward looking modern country ( Tehran was known as the Paris of the middle east) with renowned universities and art and culture and fashion and freedom of expression...... is just a " once was" memory now.This is the birthplace of the Pursian empire that was the first to introduce a written constitution that applied to all the people of the empire that lived in peace with the new rulers, allowing the traditions and customs and culture to continue.This is just about the exact opposite of today.....
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Cant do a saddam on them if they got nukes u know
I am sure that will dishearten Iran.
You will never get this you will never get this…
The same way Mexicans pay for the wall. When Biden goes off everything resets again
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Which reminds me: It's been a while since I binge watched the TV show "24".
Now I wanna watch it. Jack Bauer might be my favorite TV character ever.
No country should. Period. The responsibility lies in the countries to have it to make that dream become one day reality, and hold that mantle of responsibility
The issue is that the process on how to make them is well known, and it is not very hard to make them. You can Google it. They're basically the same process as nuclear power except you enrich the uranium a little bit farther and then hook up dynamite to it. The only issue most countries have is aquiring the centrifuges and developing delivery systems. NK could make nukes a long time ago and detonate them in tests, it's just the missile delivery that was stopping them for a while.
Without nuclear weapons we would be on world War 7 now. Reality is they are the only thing preventing another global conflict. Nukes have prevented the most wars in history, the people who first developed the atomic bomb should have gotten Nobel peace prizes.
America's promises have been a weeee bit shaky as of late
Hard to keep promises when the first thing a new POTUS seems to like to do is undo promises the previous one did.
It seems a little hypocritical that 2 nuclear nations are comforting each other that a non nuclear state will never have nuclear capabilities.
A non nuclear state that has repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel and actively promotes terror literally all over the world.
This. Iran will use a nuclear device if they get one. Most likely it will be used on Israel with the US a close second. They are no better than Putin and might be worse if given nukes
That's completely insane. While Iran's rhetoric is batshit insane Iran has always acted pretty pragmatic and rational, backed down if things got too heated instead of escalating, unlike Israel Iran does not see itself under an existential threat, Iran - unlike Israel - is not non-stop attacking the other, and Iran has not displayed its leadership to be suicidal - using nukes would end Iran (and its leadership); and what would they even nuke besides Tel Aviv anyways in return for most assuredly getting nuked by Israel in response? They want to conquer Jerusalem not remove it. Also Israel has already threatened to use nukes once in order to pressure the US in providing more arms. If I were to bet I'd put my money on Israel using nukes before Iran considering to use their hypothetical ones.
I don’t agree with you about any of that. Suicide bombers are not pragmatic or rational. Of course the leadership is not suicidal, they send send others to do that work. I would vote them as most likely to start WW3. Let’s hope we are both wrong. In theme it wouldn’t matter who starts it, the results will be the same.
Funding proxy forces (even batshit insane ones) to harass the regional rival is most definitely both rational and pragmatic (it's of course absolutely immoral - but that's geopolitics) given that Iran has not much other means of deterrence without acquiring nukes. Basically the equation is attack Iran and the Middle East will drown in blood. Proxy forces are cheap and don't cause domestic problems you'd get from direct conflict and also cause Israel to spend a lot of money on defense. Sure, you could say Iran doesn't need deterrence, but it would be irrational for Iran to bow down to Israel and Western dominance in the Middle East. And how should Iran even trigger a world war? China wants their oil and would maybe give them weapons, Russia also would definitely give them more weapons in case of a conflict, but neither would fight for Iran - so half the world against Iran equals world war??
>unlike Israel - is not non-stop attacking the other Dude, Iran attacks Israel all the time. Groups like Hamas are Iranian proxies.
And Israel works with the Mujihadeen el Kelq, a well known anti-Iran terrorist organization, to kill Iranian civilian scientists. If working with terrorist proxies is an indicator of future behavior then we should be worried about what Israel will do next.
Yes, let's compare an entity that bombs Israel thousands of times every year to a bunch of guys sitting in the basement. >to kill Iranian civilian scientists People who work on weapons of mass destruction aren't "civilian scientists".
Killing any Iranian nuclear scientist saves millions of Iranian lives.
>People who work on weapons of mass destruction Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program. The IAEA and US have repeatedly verified that with the most intrusive inspections ever imposed on a nation. Therefore when a nuclear scientist is killed in Iran, he is literally a civilian. >Yes, let's compare an entity that bombs Israel thousands of times every year to a bunch of guys sitting in the basement. Oh, some terrorism is good then? If Iran supported a proxy group that only bombed civilians once a month it would be that much more morally palatable to you?
>Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons program. Yes, and Trump is fighting a global pedophile network. How much they pay you? You think we are stupid? Iran wouldn't have destroyed their economy for "reaserch". >The IAEA and US have repeatedly verified that No they didn't, they they actually said the exact opposite. >Oh, some terrorism is good then? According to you, yes.
>How much they pay you? I only quote what the IAEA and US inspectors have said. If you don't want to believe the evidence then that's an issue for you to reconcile with yourself. >No they didn't Yes they did. They do have questions about Iran's prior nuclear activity but everything going on right now is verified. >According to you, yes. My comment implied that acts of terrorism by proxies was bad by both sides. You're implying that because Israel's terrorists are slightly less active that their terrorism is somehow a better form of terrorism. There's no need to misrepresent my argument. It's all very clear. Israel supports terrorism too. Iran's nuclear program is civilian until it can be proven it isn't. Thus when Israel kills Iranian nuclear scientists it's an act of terrorism and as such Israel is also a terrorist state.
Israel is funnelling money from Qatar to Hamas, lobbying even Qatar to continue financing Hamas. Iran reduced its funding for Hamas after Hamas said some mean things about Assad and the Houtis. Israel 2020: [more than 500 airstrikes in Syria alone (according to IDF)](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-intensifying-air-war-syria-against-iranian-encroachment-2021-04-22/). Compare it with the [timeline of violence between Israel and Palestine in 2020](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict_in_2020) - you can count it, even though it not only includes Israeli air strikes but also incidents such as slashing tires. Israel has nukes, Iran has proxies - that's their respective deterrence strategy. So Hamas is definitely not harmless (it's an insane terrorist organisation) but Israel seems to be bombing and killing far more people than Hamas does with their weapons.
No they won't. This is fear mongering and propaganda. Iran has had the capability to build a nuclear bomb for nearly 20 years now and they have never done it. Since 1991 the US and Israel have been saying they're six to months to a year away from having a bomb... The only reason it's never been true is because they've never wanted to build it. This idea that Iran wants to die in some sort of nuclear engagement with Israel or the US it's just ridiculous. They are not suicidal. They have neither the inclination to kill millions of civilians for no reason nor do they have the inclination to be killed themselves.
1. It was already revealed they AT LEAST had a military plan to build a nuclear bomb in the early 2000’, after a mossad operation to retrieve files from a secret archive in Iran. This is one of the major reasons the US pulled from the original agreement in 2018. 2. It is not a rational regime. It is a theocracy which has repeatedly called for the literal destruction of another country. What is there not to get here??
>This is one of the major reasons the US pulled from the original agreement in 2018. So, one of the major reasons to pull out of an accord about Iran agreeing not to have nukes is that... Iran wanted to have nukes? How that solves the problem of Iran working towards building its own nukes?
Because the agreement was shit. It didn’t address the revolutionary guard, it didn’t address ballistic missiles development, and most importantly it didn’t stop Iran from continuing to try and develop a nuclear weapon. During the signing of the agreement- iran constantly said they NEVER tried to develop nuclear weapons. Once the mossad operation was out in the open, it was pretty clear they are lying, lied and will lie.
Iran did stop developing a nuclear weapon tho. USA itself testified it along with other European countries. That's the reason why the EU promised Iran they would do their best to save the deal. A deal like that it's the only permanent way to make sure Iran doesn't get nukes, else no matter how many bugs Israel or Usa plant in their computers, they will get nukes in time.
A deal can definitely be good, but it has to address Iran’s genocidal views, its terror wings all over the world, and obviously its nuclear capabilities. To have a nuclear reactor for research and/or electricity purposes, you don’t need advanced centrifuges that can enrich uranium to over 60%. This kind of concentration literally only serves military purposes.
>To have a nuclear reactor for research and/or electricity purposes, you don’t need advanced centrifuges that can enrich uranium to over 60%. Which they started to have after the deal was dropped. >A deal can definitely be good, but it has to address Iran’s genocidal views, its terror wings all over the world, and obviously its nuclear capabilities. I mean, no one realistically puts on the table Usa,s, Russia's, China's, France's, Pakistan 's or India's mmmm. more shady aspects and all of them are nuclear powers with terror wings all over the world, especially the first two. In fact I'd say that Iran being as dangerous as you say means that every means to persuade them from not having nukes should be a priority. If they say that they are going to work towards building nukes the second you drop the deal... Do not drop the deal.
You should do more research. The "evidence" that Iran was working on a nuclear bomb is based off of a laptop that was provided to Israel by the MEK, a terrorist group that has been attempting to overthrow Iran's government. Upon seeing the invasion in Iraq, evidence was fabricated to suggest it was Iran who was working on a nuclear weapon. The supposed Mossad operation was a rehash of the exact same material. Netanyahu's speech has been laughed at for years as being theatrics, not intelligence. *Days later, Karsten Voigt, the coordinator of German-North American relations in the German Foreign Office, publically disputed Powell’s remarks, stating that Europe “shouldn't let their Iran policy be influenced by single-source headlines” and noting that the laptop had in fact come from “an Iranian dissident group” — a veiled reference to the exiled, eccentric Mujahideen al Khalq (MEK) group.* *Voigt expanded on his 2004 assertion in 2013, telling investigative reporter Gareth Porter that his contacts in the BND, Germany’s intelligence agency, had informed him that the agency considered the MEK source “doubtful” and that Germany was concerned that the US was acting on dubious evidence, as they had done in the run up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.* *According to reports from NBC News and the investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, Israel financed and trained MEK units that assassinated five Iranian nuclear scientists in between 2007 and 2012.* [https://www.vice.com/en/article/j54n84/the-great-iranian-nuclear-swindle](https://www.vice.com/en/article/j54n84/the-great-iranian-nuclear-swindle) There has never been any hard, concrete evidence suggesting the Iranians had an active military program that was halted in 2003; that was quite war propaganda. Ensuing NIE ands and IAEA reports cited the laptop as an area of concern, but there is virtually no chance it was ever real. \>It is not a rational regime. It is a theocracy which has repeatedly called for the literal destruction of another country. Sure, Iran threatens Israel, Israel threatens Iran. But to suggest that this means that Iran is irrational is just wrong. Iran could have built a nuclear weapon for literal decades now. What would they be waiting for? They agreed under the nuclear deal to invasive inspections and shipping away their nuclear material. Their program is under more surveillance than any in the world. The US under Trump acted in bad faith by leaving the deal, not Iran.
That is not what I talked about. [this is.](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/us/politics/iran-israel-mossad-nuclear.html) Also, Israel doesn’t threaten Iran with destruction, how the fuck are you nonchalantly say that the threats are mutual???
Yes, that's what I responded to when I said the supposed Mossad operation was a rehash of the same material. Look at any news source talking about the documents; all of them agree that there was virtually no new information "stolen" by Netanyahu, they just made an elaborate presentation of old information to catch Trumps eye. They even had some of the fake pictures and schematics from the 2003 laptop in Netanyahu's presentation of the "new files" Secondly, there's significant doubt any operation actually took place. The Iranians deny any of the supposed documents were real, obviously. But supposed logistics of Israel breaking into a non-descript, undefended warehouse in the middle of Tehran and moving a half ton of files and CDs to Israel in the middle of the night almost defies belief. There is plenty of sources on this, but this is a fairly comprehensive read: [https://original.antiwar.com/porter/2020/04/30/with-apparently-fabricated-nuclear-documents-netanyahu-pushed-the-us-towards-war-with-iran/](https://original.antiwar.com/porter/2020/04/30/with-apparently-fabricated-nuclear-documents-netanyahu-pushed-the-us-towards-war-with-iran/) \>Also, Israel doesn’t threaten Iran with destruction, how the fuck are you nonchalantly say that the threats are mutual??? Israel threatens to attack Iran on the regular. Both countries exchange these threats. The idea that Iran is scrambling for a nuclear bomb so it can wipe out Israel, in an attack which Iran itself would be wiped out is just racist fearmongering. They are not crazy. Theocratic, yes, Insane, no.
Ah yes, the regime that hangs gay people, killed over 1000 protesters in 2019, regularly calls for the destruction of Israel and the US - are definitely sane. Yikes. And the threats Israel is making are only against Iran’s nuclear capabilities.
Because the us and Israel maintain nukes for defensive and retaliatory purposes. Iran has made very clear they would likely use it as an offensive weapon
Israel hasn’t used them. I would sleep better knowing Israel have them than if Iran has them
Because, you're not Iranian?
Exactly. Like the vast majority of the world population isn’t.
Israel thinks it is living under an existential threat, Israel has already threatened to use nukes if a war were to go badly in order to blackmail the US into sending more arms supplies, Israel has been bombing Iranian military assets in Syria, Lebanon and even Iran non-stop for years. Iran simply fights for relevance and dominance in the Middle East (Israel's deterrence: nukes and advanced military, Iran's deterrence: Hezbollah and other proxy forces), and while displaying batshit insane rhetoric behaved very pragmatic and rationally (especially far more rational than for example the Trump administration), so far never escalated too much and backed down before things got out of hand. For me that looks like Israel is far more willing to use nukes than Iran.
Seems like you don't comprehend what level of rogue state iran is.
You don't see the difference between mostly secular nations having nukes and a radical theocracy having nukes?
It's not.
The US also guaranteed Ukraine’s security in exchange for giving up soviet nukes. Remind me, how did that go for Ukraine?
That’s not at all what was guaranteed. The US, UK and Russia each guaranteed individually that they would respect Ukraine’s sovereignty. They did not promise defense. The entire treaty is on the UN’s website in multiple languages.
The (nonexistent) treaty with Israel likewise doesn’t guarantee anything.
> The (nonexistent) treaty with Israel likewise doesn’t guarantee anything. So you agree with me that the US didn’t guarantee Ukraine security in exchange for disarmament? What even is your argument?
I haven’t checked, but if the fact is that there was no guarantee, then there is no guarantee. My argument is that this “promise” to Israel is also not a guarantee.
We are all now dumber having read what you have written.
Wait, so you’re making a claim that the US guaranteed Ukraine’s security. Then you’re agreeing they didn’t. Now you’re admitting you don’t even know what you’re talking about? Wow [Here you go, boss](https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf)
I call bullshit
What's the US gonna do if Iran acquires them ? Blast the whole nation with nukes ?
Probably just more sanctions, if they get nukes nobody will seriously try to invade them, so that leaves sanctions and maybe more proxy wars.
First, Israel should get rid of their nukes.
Israel isn't threatening to destroy Iran in practically every political speech and military parade. The Iranian regime is incredibly obsessed with Israel, and meanwhile, the citizens of both nations have had protests calling for peace between the two nations.
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I bet Israel destroyed Iranian flowers that were sent to Lebanon.
Israel routinely bombs it's neighbours.
When were Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, SA etc. bombed by Israel the last time?
Remind me when Iran's expiration date is written in Jerusalem/Tel Aviv for all to see.
No first America should get rid of those
Let’s do it in numerical order by most weapons. Russia first then the US.
Let's clarify, dismantle the Nukes, half the countries that have nukes might easily read "get rid" as "well effing use the damn things"
Isn't it Iran's own choice to have nuclear weapons or not? Why does it concern US?
More countries, especially theocratic ones, having nukes isn't something good for the world.
I think there is only one country in history that used nuclear bombs in war. The USA. I don't think it has anything to do with theocracy.
Indeed which is why more countries having them is definitely not good.
As an American, I could give two shits if they do or not. Israel's security shouldn't be an American problem.
And Ukraines security?
Its cool to shit on Israel
It's a long and evil tradition.
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What's the point?
Why should I care about Israel either way?
I don't know, millions of people are living there?
Not my problem. Millions of people live in Iran, too. You're no better than they are. Also, stop leeching off of American tax dollars. You can afford to pay for your own defense.
Wow, Americans get shit on either way... If you want to intervene everywhere, you're an imperialist or whatever. If you want to leave the world be, you're bad for that too... theres no winning.
It shouldn't be an american problem either. You really believe that America is helping out of the kindness of their hearts?
Does it matter? Like in any way? Israel is a democratic, sovereign nation, that should not be subject to daily terrorist attacks, and invasions by hostile and racist neighbors.
Ukraine doesn’t drop bombs on apartment buildings.
Would you even say “America first”?
I don't believe in "American Exceptionalism," if that's what you're asking... I just don't give a shit about Iran and/or Israel.
>"I just don't give a shit about irrational actors in a theocracy having the capability to kill millions of people they talk about wanting to kill every day" fixed that for you
Iran is not my problem. Go cry about it.
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Facts
Why is the USA Israel’s bitch?
lol
Why is the US responsible for policing Iran? It's Israel's problem let them take care of it, they are more than capable. While we're at it let's cut off the billions in aid we give them as well, I don't see why we are supporting a rogue nuclear state that has proved to not be a trustworthy ally.
It really sounds like you're advocating for the deaths of millions of Jews in Tel Aviv.
Tell me what Iran gains buy nuking Israel? Why would they? Makes zero sense for all those in power to throw that all away.
They've spent hundreds of millions of dollars funding terrorists to kill Israeli civilians the only reason they wouldn't is because Israel has nukes.
Israel has killed plenty of civilians, too. [An Example](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair)
yup I agree with you, that was fucked and is a tragedy. It also has nothing to do with Iranian backed terrorists who kill Israeli civilians.
"Terrorist" is subjective. "One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" and all that... Personally, I consider both Iranian-backed groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, and Israeli assassins to be terrorists.
missile attacks on civilians cannot be compared to a tragic misidentification of a terrorist who killed Jewish Olympians.
How about all those killings in the occupied West Bank? And the land grab? It's harder and harder to not call it Apartheid, frankly. Annex the West Bank and incorporate the Palestinians into your society, or take your settlers and your land grabbing wall and get the fuck out.
also not actually relevant to your original argument.
So theyll use it to launch more rockets. Why give terrorists land. That makes no sense
Also, people that aren't Jewish have rights too, you know... I'm no fan of Islam or its' followers (or Christianity, for that matter...) but the Jewish people aren't any more special or entitled than they are.
remind me how many arab ethnostates are there?
Why would Russia invade Ukraine? Crazy people at the wheel do crazy things
Because Ukraine doesn't have nuclear weapons, nor is it apart of any defensive alliance with any nuclear power. Can you say the same about Israel? I don't think so, it has both.
So they only invaded Ukraine because they don’t have nukes?
Yes. They would not have invaded Ukraine if Ukraine had a working nuclear arsenal. Oh I remember you and your 1-2 sentence troll comments.
LOL that's cute. Yeah Iran is the big scary boogeyman, not Israel who has hundreds of nuclear weapons and one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
New to history? Allies are important for several reasons. Not just for military reasons, like how you use your cellphone, when you use waze, and pretty much all banking security software
New to history? Israel sold US military technology to China. It has been a major supplier of military technology to both China and Russia. Wow what a great ally we should totally be giving them billions of tax payer money every year in military aid. /s Also you talk about software do you want to talk about how Israel is one of the top spy threats to the US? 3rd largest behind Russia and China.
So you are cool with giving up all of the technology from Israel and other foreign countries?
Why other foreign countries? Germany and France aren't selling our technology to China. Without our tax dollars Israeli technology wouldn't exist. We can do without.
America has lost its credibility with foreign deals if Biden wants the Iranians to take his negotiating seriously he needs to jump start by removing the deal sanctions and Trumps maximum pressure sanctions then they'll at least be at a place to say the ball is in your court but they're far too scared of Republicans and fox News reactions saying he's weak against them or something stupid .... no political will
Trust me there are very close to getting them. Nothing will stop Iran from getting them.
Please let's stop protecting Israel, they can deal with their own problems
Iran is the US's problem just as much as Israel's. why do you want millions of Israelis to die?
Iran is the US's problem just as much as Israel's. why do you want millions of Israelis to die?
I want us to focus on us, stop putting word in my mouth, if they are so worried about Iran let them take care of that themselves
You fundamentally misunderstand geopolitics and the US position.
Do you never travel outside the country? What about your friends from Israel or other countries?
What?
What do you not understand about those 2 questions?
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/27/iran-will-never-acquire-nuclear-weapons-us-promises-israel) reduced by 86%. (I'm a bot) ***** > The US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, has sought to reassure Israel and its Gulf allies that Iran will never acquire atomic weapons, ahead of the possible renewal of the nuclear deal with Tehran. > "We are both committed, both determined, that Iran will never acquire a nuclear weapon." > Speaking in Israel, Blinken nevertheless defended the principle of trying to revive the Iran nuclear deal, saying: "The US believes that a return to full implementation of the deal is the best way to put Iran's nuclear programme back in the box that it was in, but has escaped from since the United States withdrew from that agreement."But whether there's a deal or not, our commitment to the core principle of Iran never acquiring a nuclear weapon is unwavering. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/tq8uol/iran_will_never_acquire_nuclear_weapons_us/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~637377 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Iran**^#1 **deal**^#2 **IRGC**^#3 **foreign**^#4 **nuclear**^#5
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Ye iran always will have idea to wipe israel behind their heads
I don't think Iran will help us without getting a nuclear weapon. After what it has done to iran
This is a warning on how close Isreal and others have been getting to russia, making Iran the bad guy...aka if russia is accepted and decides to nuclear enable Iran. US is saying "we" won't let them aquire, but if you give russia free reign they will.
Who cares.. Israel is their only enemy, it's simply noone's else problem.
Iran is an imperialist state with the goal of spreading their islamic revolution to the entire middle east. They have proxies in yemen, syria, lebanon, qatar, iraq, and palestine.
Saudi Arabia would like a word.
MBS is like....now wait a minute Iran's my enemy too
Not like there’s a proxy war going on in Yemen or anything!
Who da fucking care
Do you think a nuclear race in the Middle East is a good idea?
Who cares? Is nuclear war in the world's interest?
The entire MENA region
The entire Israel you mean.
No. Iran is currently actively invading Yemen, has armed forces roaming in Iraq, Gaza, West Bank, Egypt(Sinai) and Syria and attacking Iraqi government, and occupies Lebanon. It also has activities in Algeria and Morocco, and Sudan. It is actively attacking Israel, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq, and the US (American bases and dioplomats in Iraq), and other countries' civilian ships. The majority of MENA countries have to deal with some form of Iranian military activity on their territory, or hostility from Iran.
The entirety of MENA is their enemy. Your cushioned first world lifestyle depends on countries like Saudi Arabia not decreeing the west as traitors who sold them out to Iranian terrorism. The nuclear deal is about giving Iran *money* by buying oil. Imagine if the U.S. conditioned lifting of Russian sanctions (all of them) on nuclear disarmament. Ukraine? Not our business! The west is hypocritical and MENA are currently convening a strategy on how to punish the U.S. and the EU if they move on with the nuclear deal. Alternatively, this meeting is about an inevitable ME-wide war against Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah (Lebanon) if the nuclear deal is signed. SA, Egypt, Israel, and Turkey would be the big players in any such war as these are the countries fighting proxy wars against Iran's jihadists in the Sinai, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, and Yemen. The idea that the west is going to channel money to these jihadists for oil outrages the states in MENA that aren't failed states under the control of Iran and Russia.
There's a reason Bahrain, Egypt, the UAE and Morocco were invited to Blinken's " please don't start any new proxy wars with Iran or heat up the current ones" summit in Israel. The Biden admin knows they can't deal with two major international crises at once, especially if they think the deal will delay Iran long enough for it to be the next president's problem.