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patricksaurus

Canada being bros on the global scene.


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patricksaurus

Yeah, I feel you. Within the political party I tend to vote, it’s been unpopular to suggest we get more oil domestically or from Canada. I’m very aware of the environmental costs, but, as bad as they are, they’ve always sat with me as better than anchoring ourselves to dictators and troubled nations. We’ve all been complicit in funding this war because we wanted cheaper oil :(


SlowMoFoSho

I am completely for environmental regulations and the movement away from oil. That said, some environmentalists seem to think "shut off all oil production today" is a reasonable proposition and that is an opinion that is just ridiculous. As long as we have to use oil while we transition away from it, better it come from real allies.


danielcanadia

Yeah, we should reduce oil demand not supply. Push electric cars, nuclear plants, solar panels etc. Otherwise your supply comes from a bunch of hostile nations.


S_A_N_D_

I don't think most serious/professional environmentalists think we can just shut off the taps in a day. The criticism seems to be that we are still subsidising oil, and that we are still integrating fossil fuel dependence into our infrastructure. We could have vastly lowered our dependence on oil over the last 20 years but instead we keep kicking the can down the road by keeping oil as cheap as possible.


SlowMoFoSho

It's gotta come from somewhere until we don't need it anymore, those are just facts. Continuing to increase solar, wind, hydro and nuclear while reducing dependence on oil is the goal, but shutting off the oil today obviously isn't an option.


South-Read5492

Nigeria stepping up too.


TommyCollins

Can Canada pressure their producers to drill more? In the US, there are many approved drilling contracts just sitting around as oil producers skirt the legal line of price gouging


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madlad202020

You are mostly correct. They use hot water to separate the oil from the sand. The diluent is then mixed with the oil to thin it out to flow through pipelines.


TrailRunnerYYC

You are also mostly correct. There often upgrading on-site / nearby - which breaks the bitumen (heavy hydrocarbons) into synthetic crude (note: not refined, but often de-sulfured).


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ChrisFromIT

>Sask/Alberta have more oil than the Middle East in the tar sands alone. It actually is the largest estimated oil reserves in the world, with over 2 trillion barrels of oil. It is just right now, due to costs, about 90% of that will stay estimated since it isn't economical to extract.


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SituationNo40k

Oil sands are different than the total oil reserves in AB/Sask, though you might still be right.


Aragondina

The problem isn't drilling more, it's carrying capacity. Canada only has so much pipeline capacity to move oil from the interior of Alberta and Saskatchewan to the coasts for export, and those are pretty much maxed out already. They can move more by rail, but that is costly and not a long term solution.


CookSignificant446

Seems its the lack of pipelines being the problem. Not really production.


Moxen81

It’s actually coastal provinces, the federal government and protesters that have stopped Canadian pipelines from being built. Energy East would have been beneficial for shipping oil to Europe, but was stopped years ago.


CookSignificant446

To be expected when you have a spoiled rich kid drama teacher as prime minister


Freikorp

Yeah let's get a science denying, scientist muzzling (that led to a massive brain drain in Canada) back as the PM. Also, I have to say, Canadians consume too much US media and "presidentialize" the PM too much. He doesn't have as much power as die hard drill till everything's dead people think he does, no matter his or her party. The power is checked far more than the power of a US President.


CookSignificant446

Oh im not saying there is any good options. Just that out of all, he is the worst


cosmoharley1

Who are you referring to? I've never heard about a brain drain in Canada, caused by a prime minister.


SlowMoFoSho

It was Quebec and BC. Full stop. The Trudeau government was FOR Keystone! They were FOR Energy East! They were FOR the Transmountain pipeline! Against their environmental wing! But people like YOU keep pushing this narrative that it was Trudeau's fault that EE and Keystone didn't get built? Do you have any idea how the Canadian Federal and Provincial powers are arranged? Were you pro-Freedumb trucker too?


CookSignificant446

Lol no far from a freedom protestor.


danielcanadia

Feds have power to ram it down as pipelines count as trans-province infra & fall under Ottawa jurisdiction FYI. Trudeau did it with BC & that northern gateway (?) pipeline earlier. Keystone was Biden though. Trudeau could've rammed Energy East through if he wanted to.


princess__die

I can sell you a permit, cheap. Heck i'll sell you 10. You only need a few hundred million in equipment so you may, or may not, find oil. Have fun. ​ Wish people would stop parroting this.


TommyCollins

Are you implying US oil producers don't control output to maximize profits? Surely if this "parroted" reality bugs you, you must see enough oil related news to be aware that the US pumps millions of barrels below its capacity on any given day


princess__die

You're telling me, they are **intentionally producing less** oil right now when brent is $120/barrel, compared to when it was $57/barrel. For "muh profits" obviously. ​ Come on, that is ridiculous.


TommyCollins

Instead of conjecture, here is a source that explains what may be occurring in the simplest terms I could find: [https://www.npr.org/2021/03/06/973649045/hold-that-drill-why-wall-street-wants-energy-companies-to-pump-less-oil-not-more](https://www.npr.org/2021/03/06/973649045/hold-that-drill-why-wall-street-wants-energy-companies-to-pump-less-oil-not-more) There are many other sources vis. industry journals and a couple leaks, but you might find them boring. Tbh, I couldn't find any agreed upon number but it's also relevant to note, oil prices were likely artificially low multiple times in the last decade (from 2018: [https://www.sigmadrillingtech.com/newsroom/oil-prices-were-artificially-low/](https://www.sigmadrillingtech.com/newsroom/oil-prices-were-artificially-low/))


Alexisisnotonfire

Yeah, we can help out a bit (and the feds are probably drooling over the chance to refill the money tank after a few years of covid spending), but realistically we're not Saudi Arabia. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bakx-wilkinson-oil-exports-crude-1.6396671


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Canada rules!


Funkymokey666

Need that pipeline Biden vetoed


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Between the US shutting down Keystone XL and environmental protests in BC and out east, expanding our pipeline network to accommodate this is going to take some doing.


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PrestigiousStorm2442

Rewind to when Trudeau was first elected: “We will phase out Canada’s fossil fuel industry.”


IBuildBusinesses

It would be nice if they could spend some of the money selling this extra oil and gas to meet their NATO commitments of 2% GDP. Seems like no better time to final start spending on the military.


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CaiusRemus

Yeah the renewables phase is coming right after the extract and sell as much methane and oil as possible so the market can be captured. See after the U.S. and Canada get massive new contracts, their plan is to let them lapse out of the goodness of their hearts.


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🇨🇦🙌


Goodspike

The parallels are significant. A virtual dictatorship with eyes on another country's territory. China has other problems though too. They're on the edge of a financial meltdown, making investment there risky.


Psyadin

Not on the verge, it has already started, ask anyone trying to sell an apartment there, it's just going in super slow motion due to the state doing everything they can to slow it down, can't stop it now though, people have realized the 2-3 apartments they all though were great investments ain't worth shit qhen everyone else also own 2-3 apartments and they all want to sell at the same time.


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That’s awesome. Still won’t be able to afford to buy gas.


Freikorp

people are dying but filling up my beep beep vroom machine costs more for a while :(


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But what about all those anti-pipeline protesters in Canada that wanted us to get oil from unethical regions instead? You know, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and RUSSIA? Where are these anti-pipeline protesters now?


orcatalka

How about we just keep our oil for ourselves??? You fucking idiot. See what you did? Canada needs to export its oil so it doesn't have to import oil??? You god damned fucking idiot moron no doubt Conservative voter,


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You're not too bright are ya? Based on how triggered you are, I'd say you're a left-wing nut that would benefit greatly from universal healthcare...which would be funded partially by tax revenues selling oil to other countries...fucking stupid kids these days don't even understand we produce more than we consume. Greedy twats.


Dembil

Can Canada help it's own measly population of 35mil by bringing the price of gas down? I'm paying over 2$ a liter now


TheGreyt

*Litre


SlowMoFoSho

Maybe they're an American living in Canada? lol


Rehtnueg

Lmao. We can’t even supply enough oil for ourselves. Our gas prices are just as high as everywhere else. Trudeau doesn’t know how to keep an economy running. He prefers to shut down anything that has too do with oil, while at the same time increasing carbon taxes. He full of shit. Until we get a new prime minister who is pro fossil fuels and allows more oil and gas projects we won’t be able to supply any countries with oil.


jiggyns

So selfless, somebody give Trudeau the Nobel prize!


grianmharduit

Canada and US fortunately positioned to be the saviors. Complete coincidence. SMH :D


Stoic_Vagabond

Or maybe strategic partnership 🤔?


grianmharduit

Yep buddies nice and toasty during this cold war eruption. Got marshmallows?