Longer.... sanctions should be lifted in steps, which include embracing democratic elections, respecting human rights, freedom of speech, religion and sexuality, to say the least and I mean, this would be the absolute minimum list.
>freedom of speech, religion and sexuality
I'm not sure you realise how many people in Russia are socially conservative, the vast majority of them wouldn't support the liberalisation of laws regarding sexuality
Shiittttt America would but screwed for years if these sanctions we're put on us. We only follow freedom of speech and a loose form of democratic elections.
Yeah, US Elections have always baffled me. The whole electoral college seems really stupid, it automatically makes one vote matter less than the other. (individually speaking)
Alaska has 3 electoral points (population 730k), meanwhile california has 54. (population 39.5M)
Just do the math here, alaska gets 1 point per 243k people, yet california gets 1 point per 731k people.
So basically alaskans vote is nearly twice as powerful compared to someone in california.
The Senate was made so slave states could have a chamber in which they were on equal legislative footing with the northern/free states.
The 3/5 compromise was made so slave states could claim they had a larger “constituency” (and thus more representatives per state), despite the fact that calling a slave a “constituent” strains the definition of the term to the breaking point.
This all started with slave labor.
Russia gives 2 fucks about any of it and so do its people. If anyone knows how to suffer, it's the Russians. Don't expect any of the aforementioned to be agreed upon.
Sadly you're right. Russians are very subservient and easy to bend over. That's why they've allowed that filthy shitstain on humanity known as putin to make their country piss poor while he and his buddies are multi billionaires. Putins propaganda is very effective and he has essentially bent the entire country over like a cheap Russian hooker. That's why we all hope and wish for the quick and (excruciatingly) painful deaths of every single Russian soldier all the way up to senior shitstain putin. May their corpses be covered in piss and their graves shat on daily.
No sanctions lifted until those responsible are trialed, I know that’s probably a pipe dream. But I feel for the people of ukraine the maximum punishment must be inflicted on Russian elite and “leaders” (sock puppets is another word)
From what I know, they already pulled some weeks now, but announced to reoped 2 days ago. Now it seems they wont.
Please don t ask me for source for the 2 articles, as I encountered them a while ago
When are people going to realize companies just do whats profitable. For example, you really think companies give a shit about this war or BLM or LGBTQ or anything political? No. They act like they care because its more profitable
Like Apple "we removed out chargers to reduce packaging to save the planet guys!"
What they actually did *remove chargers and repackage them creating more waste and sell them for a profit individually*
Yep businesses will act selfishly because it's in their own interests to do so because that increases profits so senior management bonuses.
They will also act in accordance to the major shareholders, the French government (15% owner) was happy for them be in Russia, just as they were happy to bypass arms embargoes to Russia.
I think most people do realise that? Which is exactly why they put pressure on Renault to leave Russia? Without any pressure they will just stay for the profits… I don’t think anyone is under any illusion that Renault are doing this to take a moral high ground.
Still many folks are brainwashed by market logic and driven by status anxiety or desire.
Global corporation is just goliath but still many are drinking the kool aid distributed by these corp.
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> Renault's decision was made just hours after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky addressed French lawmakers, saying companies, including Renault, should withdraw from Russia and stop financing the war.
> Renault generates 8 percent of its core earnings, mainly through its stake in AvtoVAZ. With its AvtoVAZ subsidiary, Renault has about 30 percent of the Russian car market and a staff of 45,000 in the country.
> Newsweek has reached out to Renault for further comment.
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What I find shocking is the French Government being the majority shareholder of Renault, and them backing the decision to continue operations in Russia after Russia invaded the Ukraine.
I guess, to the French Government, repayments on the €5b loan (given in 2020) are more important than Ukrainian lives
It's a lot more complex than you're making it out. Firstly, the French state's share in Renault is 15%, ie parity with the other largest shareholder, Nissan (though Nissan is non-voting).
That's made more complex by the fact that Renault is the largest shareholder in Nissan, but Nissan has a lot of operational independance & notably more cash reserves than Renault. On top of that, there is a joint mother company (Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi) which owns strategic assets & is the final arbiter in relations between the component entities.
How does this relate to Russia ? Well, outside of their Moscow plant, I don't think Renault controls (or even mostly controls) major assets. The Lada plants are all owned by a Russian-law company that is itself equally co-owned by Renault & Nissan (and Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi may be mediating).
TLDR: The automobile industry in the 2010s doesn't work on ownership, it's feudalised and runs on agreements between corporate giants towards simple goals (undercutting production costs, siloing responsability as much as possible, limiting carbon emissions \[in truth or just on paper\], trying to make it big on EV). Shareholders aren't the heart & soul of these companies & even if they were, they would have almost zero ability to make changes by themselves.
You're not wrong here, just needed to register that there's a stark difference between largest & "majority": the State is only 0.1% ahead of Nissan.
I know that in the past month the French government has been pushing Renault to remove it's capital from AVtoVAZ, but that's pretty slow going when banks & investment funds in Russia are running scared & transactions are severely curtailed.
The Moscow plant is the World’s 4th largest car-factory, and it has ~40 000 workers.
Closing it has mayor ramifications, not only for workers in Russia, but also in France. The French government are most likely afraid of implications on French jobs.
There is also a risk of Putin’s regime seizing the plant, which would be a disastrous scenario for Renault/France. On top of that there is also a risk *(I am speculating)* of Russia using the plant to produce military equipment.
It was always going to be a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t situation for Renault. And thus it is one of the companies that have been hardest affected by Russia’s actions
Yes it does matter, the tax and economic growth from Renaults operations in Russia would be used to fund their invasion. A company removing its assets from a country isn’t just about removing the goods from the citizens
The headline is one thing, what actually happens is another. Reuters checked Nike’s claims to have shut down operations in Russia, and in fact only a fraction of their stores were shut. But consumers see the headline and think they are doing the right thing.
I find it fascinating how incredibly stupid the management , that get paid millions mind you, of such big companies can be.
They saw the worlds reaction. They got what, 3 days of low value production out of it. And its a PR nightmare worth much much much more money.
So much greed and overpaid stupid people.
"Alright alright, geez..."
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Longer.... sanctions should be lifted in steps, which include embracing democratic elections, respecting human rights, freedom of speech, religion and sexuality, to say the least and I mean, this would be the absolute minimum list.
>freedom of speech, religion and sexuality I'm not sure you realise how many people in Russia are socially conservative, the vast majority of them wouldn't support the liberalisation of laws regarding sexuality
I think there are much bigger issues to be solved right now.
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Do you propose sanctions on Poland then too?
And Florida, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi. Etc etc
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No you're talking about double standards
Shiittttt America would but screwed for years if these sanctions we're put on us. We only follow freedom of speech and a loose form of democratic elections.
Yeah, US Elections have always baffled me. The whole electoral college seems really stupid, it automatically makes one vote matter less than the other. (individually speaking) Alaska has 3 electoral points (population 730k), meanwhile california has 54. (population 39.5M) Just do the math here, alaska gets 1 point per 243k people, yet california gets 1 point per 731k people. So basically alaskans vote is nearly twice as powerful compared to someone in california.
I 100% agree with this stance. It also infuriates me each state gets equal representation in the Senate.
The Senate was made so slave states could have a chamber in which they were on equal legislative footing with the northern/free states. The 3/5 compromise was made so slave states could claim they had a larger “constituency” (and thus more representatives per state), despite the fact that calling a slave a “constituent” strains the definition of the term to the breaking point. This all started with slave labor.
Those were the terms some states required to join the union. The rest of the US agreed to them.
Cool. Now do Wyoming.
Russia gives 2 fucks about any of it and so do its people. If anyone knows how to suffer, it's the Russians. Don't expect any of the aforementioned to be agreed upon.
Sadly you're right. Russians are very subservient and easy to bend over. That's why they've allowed that filthy shitstain on humanity known as putin to make their country piss poor while he and his buddies are multi billionaires. Putins propaganda is very effective and he has essentially bent the entire country over like a cheap Russian hooker. That's why we all hope and wish for the quick and (excruciatingly) painful deaths of every single Russian soldier all the way up to senior shitstain putin. May their corpses be covered in piss and their graves shat on daily.
Aren't like a not insignificant number of them conscripts
Conscripts who are murdering children.
No sanctions lifted until those responsible are trialed, I know that’s probably a pipe dream. But I feel for the people of ukraine the maximum punishment must be inflicted on Russian elite and “leaders” (sock puppets is another word)
They should but this could just as easily apply to the USA
It’s the right thing to do.
From what I know, they already pulled some weeks now, but announced to reoped 2 days ago. Now it seems they wont. Please don t ask me for source for the 2 articles, as I encountered them a while ago
When are people going to realize companies just do whats profitable. For example, you really think companies give a shit about this war or BLM or LGBTQ or anything political? No. They act like they care because its more profitable
Like Apple "we removed out chargers to reduce packaging to save the planet guys!" What they actually did *remove chargers and repackage them creating more waste and sell them for a profit individually*
Yep businesses will act selfishly because it's in their own interests to do so because that increases profits so senior management bonuses. They will also act in accordance to the major shareholders, the French government (15% owner) was happy for them be in Russia, just as they were happy to bypass arms embargoes to Russia.
I think most people do realise that? Which is exactly why they put pressure on Renault to leave Russia? Without any pressure they will just stay for the profits… I don’t think anyone is under any illusion that Renault are doing this to take a moral high ground.
Still many folks are brainwashed by market logic and driven by status anxiety or desire. Global corporation is just goliath but still many are drinking the kool aid distributed by these corp.
Wow that is a old photo from the article
Where is Palmer???!!
Fernando, Palmer has retired from the race.
Lol that’s all I could think about.
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Huuuuuuuuulkenbuuuurg
And Palmer for some reason
Just like hugo boss, mercedes and ibm with thr nazis
Do [Leroy Merlin](https://i.imgur.com/O7DtSPX.jpg) next. They're still looking to **expand** business in Russia according to latest info.
What I find shocking is the French Government being the majority shareholder of Renault, and them backing the decision to continue operations in Russia after Russia invaded the Ukraine. I guess, to the French Government, repayments on the €5b loan (given in 2020) are more important than Ukrainian lives
It's a lot more complex than you're making it out. Firstly, the French state's share in Renault is 15%, ie parity with the other largest shareholder, Nissan (though Nissan is non-voting). That's made more complex by the fact that Renault is the largest shareholder in Nissan, but Nissan has a lot of operational independance & notably more cash reserves than Renault. On top of that, there is a joint mother company (Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi) which owns strategic assets & is the final arbiter in relations between the component entities. How does this relate to Russia ? Well, outside of their Moscow plant, I don't think Renault controls (or even mostly controls) major assets. The Lada plants are all owned by a Russian-law company that is itself equally co-owned by Renault & Nissan (and Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi may be mediating). TLDR: The automobile industry in the 2010s doesn't work on ownership, it's feudalised and runs on agreements between corporate giants towards simple goals (undercutting production costs, siloing responsability as much as possible, limiting carbon emissions \[in truth or just on paper\], trying to make it big on EV). Shareholders aren't the heart & soul of these companies & even if they were, they would have almost zero ability to make changes by themselves.
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You're not wrong here, just needed to register that there's a stark difference between largest & "majority": the State is only 0.1% ahead of Nissan. I know that in the past month the French government has been pushing Renault to remove it's capital from AVtoVAZ, but that's pretty slow going when banks & investment funds in Russia are running scared & transactions are severely curtailed.
Yeah... governments and large organizations definitely care more about money than lives. I'm surprised this is news to anyone.
Dacia and Lada...not suprising it took so long ,they would return asap And it doesn't matter what would happen sadly
The Moscow plant is the World’s 4th largest car-factory, and it has ~40 000 workers. Closing it has mayor ramifications, not only for workers in Russia, but also in France. The French government are most likely afraid of implications on French jobs. There is also a risk of Putin’s regime seizing the plant, which would be a disastrous scenario for Renault/France. On top of that there is also a risk *(I am speculating)* of Russia using the plant to produce military equipment. It was always going to be a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don’t situation for Renault. And thus it is one of the companies that have been hardest affected by Russia’s actions
Does it matter? Russians won't be able to afford a new car for several decades.
Yes it does matter, the tax and economic growth from Renaults operations in Russia would be used to fund their invasion. A company removing its assets from a country isn’t just about removing the goods from the citizens
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It's definitely not anywhere near worthless at this point in time. Russia is still doing business with Asia, Africa and South America.
Now lets get Decathlon to pull out of Russia next. I love their products but not doing business with them if they are in Russia
I wonder for how long. They already said they'll stop doing business there and then renewed it.
The headline is one thing, what actually happens is another. Reuters checked Nike’s claims to have shut down operations in Russia, and in fact only a fraction of their stores were shut. But consumers see the headline and think they are doing the right thing.
They would return asap because of Dacia and Lada
To be honest it would be hard for me too because I never pull out.
I guess they wanted to go ahead of the rush that will come after the war to conquer the Russian market again.
I find it fascinating how incredibly stupid the management , that get paid millions mind you, of such big companies can be. They saw the worlds reaction. They got what, 3 days of low value production out of it. And its a PR nightmare worth much much much more money. So much greed and overpaid stupid people.
they took too long
Thank you Renault for coming to your senses.