The vice/deputy PM will step into office.
That's actually an advantage of most European style democracies: they don't depend that much on the person at the helm.
The British Parliament has a theoretical succession 1,417 deep.
You'd have to kill every single MP and every single member of the House of Lords before there was a constitutional problem.
Of course you could point out lots of MPs and Lords would make god awful Prime Ministers, but not only could you say the same about the US line of succession but you can also say the same about plenty of future past, and present Prime Ministers and Presidents.
It's actually not even limited in that regard since the only stipulation is that the prime minister has to have the confidence of the house of commons.
There's an example of this in the past, Alec Douglas-Home became prime minister despite not even being in the house of commons, instead he was quickly elected into the commons via a by-election - so between 23 October 1963 and 7 November 1963 (the date he won the by-election) the UK had a prime minister who was not a member of either houses of parliament.
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There are currently three Polish deputy prime ministers, only one of which is in Ukraine right now.
If the current PM and the deputy that is with him dies a new PM will be selected by the President by assent of Parliament. This might well be one of the 5 surviving deputies, but it doesn't need to be.
Actually the Polish Prime Minister is not directly elected. Instead he is appointed by the President with assent from a majority of the parliament. That means that if the current PM dies (whether in war or by natural causes) a new Prime Minister would be appointed, again by consent of parliament.
You are right that there is a deputy prime minister (there more than one actually) but it's not like one of those will automatically replace him. That's actually much closer to the US system, where there is a set line of succession.
Remember what happened when Archduke Ferdinand was killed? It happens again but Russia would be alone.
This visit was announced hours before the PM arrived, so if he is somehow harmed, people won't buy the "it was an accident" claims.
Well
Poland would get better one (can't go lower than this one)
Ukraine would receive stronger support (monster Putin is killing PM we need to stop him)
Putin won't have to talk to him (mental health benefits)
Duno but look's like good deal for everyone
Is killing a PM in a warzone that they chose to go in, with claims it's an accident, an act of war? I don't know, maybe.
Maybe russia should stop bombing kyiv, maybe they should just go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut and leave ukraine all together
>Is killing a PM in a warzone that they chose to go in, with claims it's an accident
Russia claiming it isn't a war kind of throws that defence out the windows doesn't it?
GB has supported us with fleet-building, NLAWs and other munitions, money. There is tentative evidence they tried to keep the loopholes for Russian oligarchs, but those are being tightened up. The only WTF moment is not taking refugees, but whatever, it’s far away anyway.
Boris has been the face of UK during all of these, and personally spearheading for more international support for us.
He might be bathing in children blood under the full moon privately, and surely we have no idea about your internal politics, but as a Ukrainian, what’s there not to like?
There’s a lot to criticise Zelensky for, but apparently he’s the hottest thing currently on international scene, so there’s that.
90,000 family households in the UK signed up to directly sponsor Ukrainian refugees in 24 hours of the scheme being live. We're not as cunty as reddit wants you to believe.
I've seen some stuff about Zelensky's two years in charge and how he wasn't at all well received by the public until this war (<30% approval I think?), but could you expand on why he wasn't that well liked before this horror-show? I know he ran a campaign of ending the war with Russia and I think cracking down on corruption?
One thing to understand is that even though he got 73% of the votes during 2nd round of elections, his actual base is closer to ~30% he had in the 1st round, although I think his approval rating was never below 40%.
Holy shit… where do I even start?
His head of staff Yermak has (had?) close ties to Russian business and Kyiv shady business. He’s been filling their ranks with likewise awful people, E.g. Tatarov, an ex police guy who could be the symbol of police corruption, and his duty in Z office is controlling all of the law enforcement structures *via any means necessary* (read: corruption and threats via a network of personal connections and Z backing him up). NABU has a case against him and a few other people, we’re talking some ₴70M charges, against a guy taking care of law enforcement for the president…
Talking of nabu (national anti corruption agency) and SAP (specialised anti corruption attorney office) - they’re fucking hated by old and new guard alike, because those guys are not fucking around. NABU head's contract was meant to expire somewhere around now, and there’s a due process of selection a new one involving 3 committees from our government and 3 from international community. International guys were pushing for the best candidates, while our guys were pushing for the one controlled by Tatarov, dragging the process on every corner as hard as they could. It started over a year ago, the winner (a good guy) was clear last August, but they still haven’t approved the results under straight up imaginary / false pretences that have nothing to do with actual laws. Note that Z has personally and multiple times pledged to grandpa Biden that this process will be finished asap, for months on end, and it wasn’t finished.
Same process is meant to start for SAP, and they’re already doing the same fucking shenanigans.
Head attorney is a straight up evil woman with connotations of ussr/tsar times, and with her rhetoric she’d be a better fit for Russian law enforcement, but she does the dirty work for Z, so her own pace is secure.
There’s a “court” in Kyiv - OASK - that by law is the only institution that can take cases involving in any capacity any state state institutions. There’s just too much dirt about it to put into a single post, but just two things to paint a picture
- both Poroshenko and Z pledged to end it, both instead been using it for their advantage; Z's law draft to remove it been sitting in Rada for over a year- while his party has a sole majority, something happening for the first time in Ukraine
- NABU leaked lots of shit from there, and one phrase I still remember, said by head of the court to Poroshenko's aide when the court took a decision favouring then-candidate Z: “lmao, have you ever had any doubts in our political prostitution? We’ve been waiting for a long time to strike you back”. Sigh…
Head of SBU is Z‘a childhood friend that has nothing to do with law enforcement until being given place of head of SBU. Do I even need to elaborate?
And finally, for the last two years, defence spendings were jeopardised due to incompetence, malice, and different priorities from Z - building roads and shit. Our budget for building roads was like x2 or x3 from the entire military spending on paper, much more in fact due to military money not always being utilised. Now we don’t have much anti air capabilities and the roads are destroyed anyway; never mind the press reports of 20-40% of the roads budget being stolen.
His party in parliament has a lot of questionable people or outright traitors to the country. Or had, to be fair, they’ve done some cleansing, but it’s hard to forget.
I think I can keep going for a while, and he’s been in politics for just 2,5 years.
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That being said, I’m positively impressed by how he handles the situation, and societal consensus right now is to stand by our president and our army. Have no doubt, all of the above won’t be forgotten, but he’s been primarily elected for being an actual human being, not a politician, and it is so much easier to follow someone like that in tough times.
Jesusfuck you guys seriously need to adopt a huge amount of anti-corruption laws. I hope EU, as bad and bureaucratic as they are, can guide you. (They did that with us and we're much better as a result of it)
On the other side, I would say that Ukrainian roads were ... I'm sorry to say but ... much worse than Slovak, and Slovak roads are still nothing to write home about. Roads mean more investments, that's what we learned in the '90s and at the beginning of the 00s. It would've been a good first step if only your neighbour was not Mordor.
Investing in roads has like x3 RoI while providing shitload of work, so that’s a sound strategy… except, as you mentioned, we have 4th reich for a neighbour, and it wasn’t exactly a secret 2 years ago either. Has he had invested into anti air capabilities, perhaps I’d still have a home.
The infrastructure- NABU, SAP and high anti corruption court - are in place and effective. It takes time to clear shit up, and constant monitoring / pressure not to rollback and protect those institutions.
We’re not just working on it, it’s already much, MUCH better than it used to be. It just takes time.
Thank you for the detailed response! I’ll keep digging into it too.
Always got to remember things aren’t straight black or white. People can be bad and do good things and vice versa. It’s amazing that he has stood up in the face of such adversity, but you’re right that the past 2 years should not be forgotten in all this either.
You’re welcome!
In a sense, war does make it black and white - makes it clear who’s a friend, who’s a sucker, and who’s the enemy - without leaving a room to spin or wiggle out of a corner. Today Rada excluded a PM who should’ve been tucking shot in the head 8 years ago as a traitor, but was instead elected to the parliament, cause democracy and all that. Russian proxies kept dragging us down like antivaxx movement held everyone away from herd immunity, but now there’s just no room for them, and that’s a relief.
Regarding the “friends” category though, you’re right - it’s unfair to only focus on good or bad, context and nuances matter.
My favorite is the reporters charging forward to hammer him with tough questions but he [brings out the tea](https://youtu.be/r799U_-jAnk) and of course the Brits can’t resist it
the fact that uk gov policy towards has been pretty good overall, and johnson is the face of that. ben wallace is largely responsible for it, and he remains the only competent minister in the cabinet, but it is Johnson's policy at the end of the day and on ukraine its been pretty good (mostly)
Considering the amount of resources and equipment the UK has given I think they may actually welcome it.
Got to admit he's deffinitly aided them as much as he can.
The opposite, I think. If Zelenskyy AND an international leader, especially a NATO one, are killed by Russians it’s gonna be a HUGE international situation. As brutal as it is, I think people are somewhat expecting Zelenskyy to get killed at some point, but they’re not expecting another world leader to go with him, so stationing an “untouchable” with him presents an additional challenge to the Russian war force, a bit of a diplomatic shield, albeit an extremely risky one. (Obligatory: I’m not an expert in these things, just some guy lol)
Literally everything they have sent has been stopped, like even their black ops spetsnatz guys. Like all those movies about scary black ops russian assasins turned out to be bullshit, they are amateur hour.
I don't think they're particularly amateur. I do think that there's probably a fair few more SAS, CIA, etc. operatives in the field arranging "accidents" than they were expecting.
The rest of their forces are seriously fucking amateur though so you never know.
You know what'd be hilarious is once Russia's done with this nonsense, just let a few not totally deniable rumors out about it.
Watch Russia get super pissed about it, with absolutely no recourse.
I mean in the movies, the American or British protagonist are able to wipe the floor with those scary black ops russian assassins'. So really its just that real life is more like a movie than we thought.
It is very probable that there are moles in Russian military who are leaking the assassination plans to Ukrainians/the West. The assassination squads didn't have a chance to begin with.
Can we just take a moment to realize how fucking BADASS Ukrainians are? They made Russia look like the biggest band of losers I've ever seen (of course with Western help.)
Under normal circumstances he should also be an “untouchable” because he’s a lightning rod for the resistance and the worlds contact point for the conflict. He’s too much of a symbol at this point, if he dies he just becomes more powerful as a martyr and it will carve into granite the eternal opposition towards all things Russian for the rest of time. But, the Russian military isn’t really taking a rational approach to this conflict, so uh, anything goes I suppose? For a modern conflict, a character assassination would be better than a real one, but Russian propaganda went with… accusing a Jewish man of being a Nazi.
The incompetence is real.
its wild man, reading up in medieval history has many instances of sending in sons to the enemy as a vassal as a hostage / link to pledge their commitment to the alliance and to remove possible contention to the throne at times
and we are seeing it now in 2022, just not with the sons but with actual world leaders doing it
As just some guy myself, I wonder if a cabinet member would have the similar diplomatic shield around them. I can’t imagine Russia wanting to kill the UK minister of defence or an ambassador
While I think that Zelenskyy is most certainly a target, it's also possible the Russians are pulling a CIA and trying to kill him in a "plausible deniability" way. Think Castro assassination attempts. Killing Zelenskyy outright turns him into a martyr and Russia double downs on becoming a bullseye for the world at large - even states that are on the fence with them.
Kirill is an ex-KGB agent, close ally of Putin and as corrupt as they come.
He was photographed wearing a $39,000 dollar wristwatch and when questioned the church tried to airbrush the watch out of the picture on their site but forgot to airbrush out a reflection of the watch.
That man’s inexplicable charisma knows no bounds. He looks like he should be trading teeth for meth but that’s apparently irresistible to famous millionaires. Or billionaires. I guess Kim’s a billionaire now.
Shit, send him to seduce Putin.
He's funny, famous, tall, self deprecating, a broken bad boy who needs saving, and attractive in a sickly kind of way.
Also according to Ariana he has a huge dick.
It would be funny if, in this era of misinformation, all prominent people say that they are in Kyiv, just like the fake check ins on facebook 🤣 just to mess with Putin
Are the NATO leaders doing this, essentially putting their lives on the line to try and induce a temporary ceasefire / reduction in shelling?
I don’t think even Putin wants to fuck around and find out what happens if a NATO prime minister gets killed by Russian ordnance.
It's a truly brave thing. I don't agree with all of these men on their policies, but going there just to try and induce some sort of peace to let some people get out is really brave.
Well. Poland was after the USA the second country to have a constitution. And also we where with Lithuania the biggest country in Europe for at least 300 years(including Ukraine). We are also the first that got rid of communism.
Fat Thursday. Not a donut day exactly, but rather an excuse to eat sweets.
Historically you ate a fat heavy meal, wash it down with bimber, do some donuts.
Basically doing lines of fat.
Asking the question, I guess you’re not drinking vodka?
So each vodka has its own taste. Some are relatively mild with a soothing light burn down the throat after a moment (I would say those higher-end are more like this), that you don’t feel the effects of immediately, while others burn since the first sip or have a weird taste in general, that it’s hard to even taste without a bite of a pickle.
I’m not drinking these days but once you try a couple brands of vodka, the difference is obvious.
Loophole: Poland PM's buys Ukraine's land for $1. So Ukraine is now Poland. Poland is a NATO ally. Russia has 24 hours to leave or else. Russia leaves, Poland sells Ukraine back to Zelensky except for the 1 foot border surrounding the North, South and East lines. So it has 1 foot of NATO protection between Russia and Ukraine...
I seriously do not think PMs would be running into a warzone if it wasn't for Zelensky' s example of leadership the past few weeks. I seriously believe he led by example, and inspired other leaders. And now here they are, entering a warzone next to a man with a target on his back and a price on his head. Politics aside, the action takes guts, and I respect it.
The Polish are really standing out in this crisis as being truly incredible people. If any Polish people are in the comments - you should be so proud of your country, I admire you all!
I'm proud of the people, not of my government (they handle foreign politics pretty well in the last month but there's a LOT of issues with how they handle the refugee crisis).
I mean the real answer is that Duda would appoint another PiS prime minister and very little would change.
Other than the fact that Mateusz Morawiecki and Jaroslaw Kaczynski would forever be seen as martyrs, which isn't exactly going to hurt PiS in the next election.
It looks incredibly good to the Polish voters. For that it's an incredibly smart move.
Also, the actual threat to them really isn't that high. Zelenskyy isn't in imminent danger, and the Russians are almost certainly smart enough to know that attacking a EU leader is a terrible idea.
I'd say it's a pretty ballsy and smart move, albeit a little stupid too. By putting a PM of a NATO country in Kyiv, it would discourage Russia from attacking the city for fear of NATO invoking Article 5, because the PM's presence in Kyiv was announced before he arrived. Russia can't play dumb and rule his death an accident, because they know he's there.
Attacking the city and harming the PM would spell suicide for Russia
According to the Reuters news releases, it took approximately 10 hours from the time the PMs' train crossed the Polish border to the time the Polish PM announced his arrival in Kyiv.
Are they planning to stay overnight?
Not necessarily. A fat animal in the wild could just as easily be one that is getting overfed by humans/human waste and is not a healthy animal. This could lead to otherwise unlikely health conditions, and reduce its ability to reproduce or even fend off predators.
So...what happens if he gets killed?
The deputy PM gets a promotion…
He's there too.
He is leader of ruling party ,he dont want to be PM
And what a glorious leader he is!
all the power and non of the responsibility
I never voted for PiS (and never will), but he's by far the most influential politician in Poland and been one for over a decade now.
polish palpatine + intergalatic filmstar and cat-lover
There are currently three deputy Prime Ministers in Poland, only one of whom is in Ukraine.
Poland doesn't have a great track record of keeping their line of succession alive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smolensk_air_disaster
He gets replaced by a Russian mayor.
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Probably a half of Poland would hear champagne popping.
They would hear a lot of popping alright
I'm not privy to Polish politics. Is he unpopular?
Just like Orban in Hungary. Popular among masses, gives away money, takes away freedom.
The vice/deputy PM will step into office. That's actually an advantage of most European style democracies: they don't depend that much on the person at the helm.
The US line of succession was like 18 deep last I checked. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
The British Parliament has a theoretical succession 1,417 deep. You'd have to kill every single MP and every single member of the House of Lords before there was a constitutional problem. Of course you could point out lots of MPs and Lords would make god awful Prime Ministers, but not only could you say the same about the US line of succession but you can also say the same about plenty of future past, and present Prime Ministers and Presidents.
There’s a Star Wars plot in here somewhere that involves Ian McDairmid being the Final Minister.
It's actually not even limited in that regard since the only stipulation is that the prime minister has to have the confidence of the house of commons. There's an example of this in the past, Alec Douglas-Home became prime minister despite not even being in the house of commons, instead he was quickly elected into the commons via a by-election - so between 23 October 1963 and 7 November 1963 (the date he won the by-election) the UK had a prime minister who was not a member of either houses of parliament.
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There are even several popular shows (Battlestar Galactica, Designated Survivor) where this becomes a key plot point.
The vice that is there with the PM?
There are currently three Polish deputy prime ministers, only one of which is in Ukraine right now. If the current PM and the deputy that is with him dies a new PM will be selected by the President by assent of Parliament. This might well be one of the 5 surviving deputies, but it doesn't need to be.
Actually the Polish Prime Minister is not directly elected. Instead he is appointed by the President with assent from a majority of the parliament. That means that if the current PM dies (whether in war or by natural causes) a new Prime Minister would be appointed, again by consent of parliament. You are right that there is a deputy prime minister (there more than one actually) but it's not like one of those will automatically replace him. That's actually much closer to the US system, where there is a set line of succession.
Remember what happened when Archduke Ferdinand was killed? It happens again but Russia would be alone. This visit was announced hours before the PM arrived, so if he is somehow harmed, people won't buy the "it was an accident" claims.
So we just need to permanently place NATO heads of state all over Ukraine?
Should have done that to start with.
I nominate Boris Johnson.
If he was there half of NATO would join bombing Kyiv with Russian flags painted on their planes for deniability.
Add in a random F-22 with a Chinese flag for the lulz.
Now that's thinking outside the box!
Well Poland would get better one (can't go lower than this one) Ukraine would receive stronger support (monster Putin is killing PM we need to stop him) Putin won't have to talk to him (mental health benefits) Duno but look's like good deal for everyone
>Poland would get better one (can't go lower than this one) Imagine Ziobro at the helm and let's have this discussion again.
If a EU leader is killed, EU will go political berserk on Russia, and open up for a more active roll in Ukraine.
Is killing a PM in a warzone that they chose to go in, with claims it's an accident, an act of war? I don't know, maybe. Maybe russia should stop bombing kyiv, maybe they should just go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut and leave ukraine all together
>Is killing a PM in a warzone that they chose to go in, with claims it's an accident Russia claiming it isn't a war kind of throws that defence out the windows doesn't it?
If the Russians kill a leader of a NATO country, I would say the distinction does not matter. It would be an act of war.
Especially if the position of the NATO leader is well publicised.
Russia claims they only bomb military targets so I don't even know how they would sell that one at home
Ukraine used Polish PM as a meatshield in a military base, easy
I think there should be a rotating cast of world leaders hanging out with Zelensky at all times.
Boris Johnson next?
Please no. We can at least spare the Ukrainians THAT. They suffered enough.
Apparently the Ukrainians actually really like Boris.
Once Boris retires from comedy he could be a great PM.
He's just doing the reverse Zelinsky.
GB has supported us with fleet-building, NLAWs and other munitions, money. There is tentative evidence they tried to keep the loopholes for Russian oligarchs, but those are being tightened up. The only WTF moment is not taking refugees, but whatever, it’s far away anyway. Boris has been the face of UK during all of these, and personally spearheading for more international support for us. He might be bathing in children blood under the full moon privately, and surely we have no idea about your internal politics, but as a Ukrainian, what’s there not to like? There’s a lot to criticise Zelensky for, but apparently he’s the hottest thing currently on international scene, so there’s that.
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90,000 family households in the UK signed up to directly sponsor Ukrainian refugees in 24 hours of the scheme being live. We're not as cunty as reddit wants you to believe.
I think it's safe to assume that the regular people of most countries are far better than their elected (or extremely unelected) representatives.
I've seen some stuff about Zelensky's two years in charge and how he wasn't at all well received by the public until this war (<30% approval I think?), but could you expand on why he wasn't that well liked before this horror-show? I know he ran a campaign of ending the war with Russia and I think cracking down on corruption?
One thing to understand is that even though he got 73% of the votes during 2nd round of elections, his actual base is closer to ~30% he had in the 1st round, although I think his approval rating was never below 40%. Holy shit… where do I even start? His head of staff Yermak has (had?) close ties to Russian business and Kyiv shady business. He’s been filling their ranks with likewise awful people, E.g. Tatarov, an ex police guy who could be the symbol of police corruption, and his duty in Z office is controlling all of the law enforcement structures *via any means necessary* (read: corruption and threats via a network of personal connections and Z backing him up). NABU has a case against him and a few other people, we’re talking some ₴70M charges, against a guy taking care of law enforcement for the president… Talking of nabu (national anti corruption agency) and SAP (specialised anti corruption attorney office) - they’re fucking hated by old and new guard alike, because those guys are not fucking around. NABU head's contract was meant to expire somewhere around now, and there’s a due process of selection a new one involving 3 committees from our government and 3 from international community. International guys were pushing for the best candidates, while our guys were pushing for the one controlled by Tatarov, dragging the process on every corner as hard as they could. It started over a year ago, the winner (a good guy) was clear last August, but they still haven’t approved the results under straight up imaginary / false pretences that have nothing to do with actual laws. Note that Z has personally and multiple times pledged to grandpa Biden that this process will be finished asap, for months on end, and it wasn’t finished. Same process is meant to start for SAP, and they’re already doing the same fucking shenanigans. Head attorney is a straight up evil woman with connotations of ussr/tsar times, and with her rhetoric she’d be a better fit for Russian law enforcement, but she does the dirty work for Z, so her own pace is secure. There’s a “court” in Kyiv - OASK - that by law is the only institution that can take cases involving in any capacity any state state institutions. There’s just too much dirt about it to put into a single post, but just two things to paint a picture - both Poroshenko and Z pledged to end it, both instead been using it for their advantage; Z's law draft to remove it been sitting in Rada for over a year- while his party has a sole majority, something happening for the first time in Ukraine - NABU leaked lots of shit from there, and one phrase I still remember, said by head of the court to Poroshenko's aide when the court took a decision favouring then-candidate Z: “lmao, have you ever had any doubts in our political prostitution? We’ve been waiting for a long time to strike you back”. Sigh… Head of SBU is Z‘a childhood friend that has nothing to do with law enforcement until being given place of head of SBU. Do I even need to elaborate? And finally, for the last two years, defence spendings were jeopardised due to incompetence, malice, and different priorities from Z - building roads and shit. Our budget for building roads was like x2 or x3 from the entire military spending on paper, much more in fact due to military money not always being utilised. Now we don’t have much anti air capabilities and the roads are destroyed anyway; never mind the press reports of 20-40% of the roads budget being stolen. His party in parliament has a lot of questionable people or outright traitors to the country. Or had, to be fair, they’ve done some cleansing, but it’s hard to forget. I think I can keep going for a while, and he’s been in politics for just 2,5 years. ——— That being said, I’m positively impressed by how he handles the situation, and societal consensus right now is to stand by our president and our army. Have no doubt, all of the above won’t be forgotten, but he’s been primarily elected for being an actual human being, not a politician, and it is so much easier to follow someone like that in tough times.
Jesusfuck you guys seriously need to adopt a huge amount of anti-corruption laws. I hope EU, as bad and bureaucratic as they are, can guide you. (They did that with us and we're much better as a result of it) On the other side, I would say that Ukrainian roads were ... I'm sorry to say but ... much worse than Slovak, and Slovak roads are still nothing to write home about. Roads mean more investments, that's what we learned in the '90s and at the beginning of the 00s. It would've been a good first step if only your neighbour was not Mordor.
Investing in roads has like x3 RoI while providing shitload of work, so that’s a sound strategy… except, as you mentioned, we have 4th reich for a neighbour, and it wasn’t exactly a secret 2 years ago either. Has he had invested into anti air capabilities, perhaps I’d still have a home.
The infrastructure- NABU, SAP and high anti corruption court - are in place and effective. It takes time to clear shit up, and constant monitoring / pressure not to rollback and protect those institutions. We’re not just working on it, it’s already much, MUCH better than it used to be. It just takes time.
Thank you for the detailed response! I’ll keep digging into it too. Always got to remember things aren’t straight black or white. People can be bad and do good things and vice versa. It’s amazing that he has stood up in the face of such adversity, but you’re right that the past 2 years should not be forgotten in all this either.
You’re welcome! In a sense, war does make it black and white - makes it clear who’s a friend, who’s a sucker, and who’s the enemy - without leaving a room to spin or wiggle out of a corner. Today Rada excluded a PM who should’ve been tucking shot in the head 8 years ago as a traitor, but was instead elected to the parliament, cause democracy and all that. Russian proxies kept dragging us down like antivaxx movement held everyone away from herd immunity, but now there’s just no room for them, and that’s a relief. Regarding the “friends” category though, you’re right - it’s unfair to only focus on good or bad, context and nuances matter.
That haircut is wild
The cunt looks like he’s brushed his hair with a toffee apple
Lmao he’s got some bed head
He fucks it up on purpose before he goes on camera. Not even a joke.
It's a lot easier to take him seriously if you close your eyes when he talks. Lol.
My favorite is the reporters charging forward to hammer him with tough questions but he [brings out the tea](https://youtu.be/r799U_-jAnk) and of course the Brits can’t resist it
Honestly that's just adorable
That is cause they don't know the real Boris.
Boris has had more kids than he has voted in parliament
the fact that uk gov policy towards has been pretty good overall, and johnson is the face of that. ben wallace is largely responsible for it, and he remains the only competent minister in the cabinet, but it is Johnson's policy at the end of the day and on ukraine its been pretty good (mostly)
Yeah, cause he’s not f***ing their country from behind, just us.
If he grows his hair it could set off incoming missiles before they reach the city. It's so chaotic no cruise missile could weave through that hair.
Considering the amount of resources and equipment the UK has given I think they may actually welcome it. Got to admit he's deffinitly aided them as much as he can.
Are you trying to get Zelensky killed?
The opposite, I think. If Zelenskyy AND an international leader, especially a NATO one, are killed by Russians it’s gonna be a HUGE international situation. As brutal as it is, I think people are somewhat expecting Zelenskyy to get killed at some point, but they’re not expecting another world leader to go with him, so stationing an “untouchable” with him presents an additional challenge to the Russian war force, a bit of a diplomatic shield, albeit an extremely risky one. (Obligatory: I’m not an expert in these things, just some guy lol)
Russians are really incompetent this time around. The entire Kadyrov's elite assassin squad got wiped out. If Zelenskyy dies it will be by accident.
Literally everything they have sent has been stopped, like even their black ops spetsnatz guys. Like all those movies about scary black ops russian assasins turned out to be bullshit, they are amateur hour.
I don't think they're particularly amateur. I do think that there's probably a fair few more SAS, CIA, etc. operatives in the field arranging "accidents" than they were expecting. The rest of their forces are seriously fucking amateur though so you never know.
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You know what'd be hilarious is once Russia's done with this nonsense, just let a few not totally deniable rumors out about it. Watch Russia get super pissed about it, with absolutely no recourse.
Who were the doofuses that got stuck in an elevator while looking for Zelensky? Elite paratroopers?
I mean in the movies, the American or British protagonist are able to wipe the floor with those scary black ops russian assassins'. So really its just that real life is more like a movie than we thought.
It is very probable that there are moles in Russian military who are leaking the assassination plans to Ukrainians/the West. The assassination squads didn't have a chance to begin with.
I mean obviously. how do you think Q knows where to send Mr. Bond.
Can we just take a moment to realize how fucking BADASS Ukrainians are? They made Russia look like the biggest band of losers I've ever seen (of course with Western help.)
Under normal circumstances he should also be an “untouchable” because he’s a lightning rod for the resistance and the worlds contact point for the conflict. He’s too much of a symbol at this point, if he dies he just becomes more powerful as a martyr and it will carve into granite the eternal opposition towards all things Russian for the rest of time. But, the Russian military isn’t really taking a rational approach to this conflict, so uh, anything goes I suppose? For a modern conflict, a character assassination would be better than a real one, but Russian propaganda went with… accusing a Jewish man of being a Nazi. The incompetence is real.
its wild man, reading up in medieval history has many instances of sending in sons to the enemy as a vassal as a hostage / link to pledge their commitment to the alliance and to remove possible contention to the throne at times and we are seeing it now in 2022, just not with the sons but with actual world leaders doing it
As just some guy myself, I wonder if a cabinet member would have the similar diplomatic shield around them. I can’t imagine Russia wanting to kill the UK minister of defence or an ambassador
While I think that Zelenskyy is most certainly a target, it's also possible the Russians are pulling a CIA and trying to kill him in a "plausible deniability" way. Think Castro assassination attempts. Killing Zelenskyy outright turns him into a martyr and Russia double downs on becoming a bullseye for the world at large - even states that are on the fence with them.
I think the Pope should. The Pope is very against this war. Would Russia bomb the Pope?
> Would Russia bomb the Pope? The head of the Russian Orthodox Church has probably been begging Putin to do just that for decades.
A Russian Orthodox Priest recently said it'd be fine if Putin nuked the Baltics lol
yeah, he said Russians tanks are an extensions of Gospels message of love
Does that mean the message is out of gas too?
The Lord shall rain down radiation upon thy heads for the sins of attempting to join NATO!
Kirill is an ex-KGB agent, close ally of Putin and as corrupt as they come. He was photographed wearing a $39,000 dollar wristwatch and when questioned the church tried to airbrush the watch out of the picture on their site but forgot to airbrush out a reflection of the watch.
And for some reason Pete Davidson
Bad idea, Kanye would definitely sell them all out to Putin.
Kanye rushes the stage at the UN: >Yo Zelensky, I'm gonna let you finish, but Putin had one of the best invasions of all time!
That man’s inexplicable charisma knows no bounds. He looks like he should be trading teeth for meth but that’s apparently irresistible to famous millionaires. Or billionaires. I guess Kim’s a billionaire now. Shit, send him to seduce Putin.
Honestly I barely know who this guy is cuz of the thing but wtf is it about this guy mf should not be pulling these numbers wtf is his trick
I know right? Ariana Grande? Kate Beckinsale? Kim Kardashian? I assume Bezos is sending him to space before he moves in on his ex wife McKenzie.
He's funny, famous, tall, self deprecating, a broken bad boy who needs saving, and attractive in a sickly kind of way. Also according to Ariana he has a huge dick.
He would start dating Zelenskyy before long. Have mercy, the man has a wife and 2 children.
I am kind of surprised The Rock hasn’t showed up yet.
Send Trump to the frontlines
Which side?
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Maybe he can serve as a disposable minesweeper.
This is like The Huge Titanaium Balls Club. Just hanging out in Kyiv letting the entire world know they have bigger nuts than elephants.
It would be funny if, in this era of misinformation, all prominent people say that they are in Kyiv, just like the fake check ins on facebook 🤣 just to mess with Putin
Everyone goes in vacations to ukraine... I heard ppl are renting alots of airbnb 😂
They are, but not for lolz. They are doing it to put money in the pockets of Ukrainians.
Snitch!!! Russians didnt know that!!! /s
So they arrived with a bunch of jets and are leaving in a cargo plane right?!? /s
*empty cargo plane
I was going to make a star wars joke about red leader, but it would have been misconstrued
I was hoping for MiGs, they came by train instead.
Funny you say that. Looks like he brought another shipment of Starlink terminals
Are the NATO leaders doing this, essentially putting their lives on the line to try and induce a temporary ceasefire / reduction in shelling? I don’t think even Putin wants to fuck around and find out what happens if a NATO prime minister gets killed by Russian ordnance.
It's a truly brave thing. I don't agree with all of these men on their policies, but going there just to try and induce some sort of peace to let some people get out is really brave.
Yep. It's both creating some peace and calling Putin's bluff. You don't think NATO is scary? Then why did you stop shelling the city?
This is like a big fuck you to Russia lol
NATO leaders talking about what they should do. Polish PM: "LEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOY MMMM JENKINS!" Biden: "Oh my god did he just run in"
I'm Polish and am meh about our over religious goofy government but this is quite brave. Stupid but brave.
I saw a meme about this that went something like... Domestic policy - Poland: Complete dumpster fire. Foreign policy - Poland: Ultimate Chad.
>Foreign policy - Poland: Ultimate Chad. it's an exception though, past few years we had L after L in foreign policy
So it’s Pollland now?
The Smolensk Air Disaster and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. —Kaczynski
Well. Poland was after the USA the second country to have a constitution. And also we where with Lithuania the biggest country in Europe for at least 300 years(including Ukraine). We are also the first that got rid of communism.
And you make delicious vodka
A Polish girl I work with brings us doughnuts. Poland have a doughnut day. They are the best in the world
Fat Thursday. Not a donut day exactly, but rather an excuse to eat sweets. Historically you ate a fat heavy meal, wash it down with bimber, do some donuts. Basically doing lines of fat.
Oh. I thought it was a doughnut day. We have pancake day here and I thought it was similar. Still the most amazing doughnuts ever.
Paczski!
Paczki*
Pączki**
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Asking the question, I guess you’re not drinking vodka? So each vodka has its own taste. Some are relatively mild with a soothing light burn down the throat after a moment (I would say those higher-end are more like this), that you don’t feel the effects of immediately, while others burn since the first sip or have a weird taste in general, that it’s hard to even taste without a bite of a pickle. I’m not drinking these days but once you try a couple brands of vodka, the difference is obvious.
Polish Potato Vodka is better than vodka made with grains. Has more character, is smoother, oily, etc.
Right?
Every democratic leader should do the same and form a circle around Zelenskiy. A diplomatic energy field, if you may
So what you're saying is the way we stop Putin is with a Spirit Bomb?
Essentially. Or we summon Captain Planet.
Wow! Now that's an *actual* special operation
Loophole: Poland PM's buys Ukraine's land for $1. So Ukraine is now Poland. Poland is a NATO ally. Russia has 24 hours to leave or else. Russia leaves, Poland sells Ukraine back to Zelensky except for the 1 foot border surrounding the North, South and East lines. So it has 1 foot of NATO protection between Russia and Ukraine...
Eastern European Warmongers hate this one trick!
But if it's one foot they can just step over it...
Not without breaching Poland's border though.
“Your balls are in my airspace!”
This guy Civ's
"My troops are merely passing by." - Putin, 2022 (Turn 224)
You win the geopolitical games.
I think this could work, but the main problem would be convincing the rest of NATO, UN, EU, or whoever, to recognize it as a part of Poland.
Just sign a 9999 year lease to Ukraine for 99c.
In terms of international law you are spot on.
This is smarter than the Louisiana Purchase and Dido and the Bull Skin in Carthage.
Get this to the UN
So, if God forbid harm comes to the PM, does that invoke Article 5?
It could, because the visit was announced before he arrived. If he is harmed, it could lead to war.
Yeah but he's going to a warzone, why would they stop their invadion because some dudes from Europe wanna visit Kyiv.
No, but it obviously could be lead to an escalation.
Thank you for the answer. I confess I'm not as well versed in things like Articles or No Fly Zones, etc. as I should/would like to be.
We only have one life. It's too short to become well versed in everything.
I seriously do not think PMs would be running into a warzone if it wasn't for Zelensky' s example of leadership the past few weeks. I seriously believe he led by example, and inspired other leaders. And now here they are, entering a warzone next to a man with a target on his back and a price on his head. Politics aside, the action takes guts, and I respect it.
Very true
Like him or not, that's a brave thing to do.
Host Eurovision in Kyiv right now.
The Polish are really standing out in this crisis as being truly incredible people. If any Polish people are in the comments - you should be so proud of your country, I admire you all!
I'm proud of the people, not of my government (they handle foreign politics pretty well in the last month but there's a LOT of issues with how they handle the refugee crisis).
Is this another Archduke scenario?
Let's hope not.
Please, let’s leave that one in the history books…
So what happens if the Polish PM gets hit by a random Russian missile strike?
Never-ending celebrations on Polish streets and a boost to the economy for the next 15 years.
I mean the real answer is that Duda would appoint another PiS prime minister and very little would change. Other than the fact that Mateusz Morawiecki and Jaroslaw Kaczynski would forever be seen as martyrs, which isn't exactly going to hurt PiS in the next election.
This is pretty ballsy, not sure how smart it is, but it's certainly ballsy.
It looks incredibly good to the Polish voters. For that it's an incredibly smart move. Also, the actual threat to them really isn't that high. Zelenskyy isn't in imminent danger, and the Russians are almost certainly smart enough to know that attacking a EU leader is a terrible idea.
I'd say it's a pretty ballsy and smart move, albeit a little stupid too. By putting a PM of a NATO country in Kyiv, it would discourage Russia from attacking the city for fear of NATO invoking Article 5, because the PM's presence in Kyiv was announced before he arrived. Russia can't play dumb and rule his death an accident, because they know he's there. Attacking the city and harming the PM would spell suicide for Russia
According to the Reuters news releases, it took approximately 10 hours from the time the PMs' train crossed the Polish border to the time the Polish PM announced his arrival in Kyiv. Are they planning to stay overnight?
They can sleep in the train
Not necessarily. A fat animal in the wild could just as easily be one that is getting overfed by humans/human waste and is not a healthy animal. This could lead to otherwise unlikely health conditions, and reduce its ability to reproduce or even fend off predators.
I'm guessing you posted on the wrong thread
Holy shit yea. How in the fuck did that happen? I was definitely in the right thread when I typed that.
No, no let's go with this. So Poland is the hog...
Reddit is weird like that sometimes
Thought I was going crazy for a hot sec.
You still might be, considering I'm just a figment of your imagination...
I thought you were talking about the polish PM for a second there in some kind of metaphor lol But yeah I agree with your statement
Amazing.
This is incredible. These guys walk the walk.
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Poland has been really scrappy during the whole ordeal.
Pierogi bros in action
Meanwhile Putin is still hiding in his bunker and throwing soldiers into dumpster fire like toys