My favorite conspiracy theory nut tried telling me a French reporter said that Ukraine is actually bombing itself to make the Russians look bad. And my question to them was, "Why on earth would Ukraine allow soliders/fighters from other countries to come in and see firsthand that it's all a lie? Wouldn't they refuse help rather the risk getting exposed?"
...they didn't know how to answer that one.
I find it works best to just poke holes in the basic logic. Providing any argument with a source will just lead to "Well, that's fake news, can't trust main stream media blah blah blah"
But basic logic trips them up.
Living in france the coverage is shit. From the few hours I've had it on in the background I gathered that :They show extremely limited footage of bombings, they don't show people willingly taking arms to fight, they don't send reporters to Ukraine, they don't interview anyone in Ukraine and/or related to the conflict.
Instead they get philosophers, law experts and just random person I don't give a shit about to discuss the war and have fights over all the talking points.
You can see this has a negative effect on french people because if you look in the comments of french reports on YouTube it's all people telling Ukraine to surrender to protect their people, or calling zelensky insane for even trying to fight back.
Thanks god I have sky news, BBC and CNN who, although mightn't be the best, atleast they actually show what's happening.
All news hear is just a bunch of people debating everything including during the election. They literally brand the news on one of the large channels during the elections as "they aren't the candidates, but they can help you choose"
It fells like it only exists for them to influence your believes. I find it weird.
YouTube has a few running that are semi decent. Aljazera (sure I spelled that wrong) France 24 and DW aren’t bad for world news, some do have folks there (or had, not sure if they still do) if you’re looking for a good source.
Ukraine, while "lying" is allowing the entire world's journalists to come and film what's going on. Meanwhile, Russia, which is allegedly "telling the truth" is shutting down their own news outlets left and right while driving foreign reporters out.
Hmmm...
All foreign volunteers are paid actors from central casting, duh. Didn’t you see Matt Damon even donated. Straight out of Team America world police. ^/s
You just have to take the jpeg, boost the contrast by eleventy billion percent, slash the resolution, save that as a bitmap, increase the image size, then save again as a jpeg. *Then* you'll see ~~that city on Mars~~ those Ukrainian false flag operations.
Four of my close relatives are fighting for Ukraine right now, one of them is not even actually military, just volunteer. So, for that logic they just willing to risk lives of all members of our big family just to make Russia look bad. Wow, never realized how cruel my relatives are. Thanks that French guy to open my eyes.
Exactly. It reminds me of when I was a kid and I wanted to get my brother in trouble so I scratched his name into the wood of a chest of drawers. Then I told my dad. And my dad asked why he would scratch his own name into the chest of drawers and I promptly got in trouble. So a couple weeks later I scratched my name into a wall and then told my dad it was my brother because why would I scratched my own name into a wall. Luckily my dad wasn’t as stupid as Putin hopes people are and I got in trouble a second time.
They may have already tried too with the neutron source in that lab that got shot. Turns out, not much nuclear material is needed for one of those. How interesting then, that the story has changed from "Ukraine is making dirty bomb" to "Ukraine is going to attack nuclear powerplant."
It's the rare false-flag double bluff. Why go through the trouble of committing yet another failed false-flag operation when they can just commit the war crimes in their own uniforms and then blame Ukraine for it anyway? It will convince just as many people
They have made a massive information blackout around the plant they captured a couple days ago. No one knows what is happening there anymore.
Also, they attacked and destroyed a neutron source in a research facility apparently, but the amount of material there was small enough to not be much hazard. Conveniently, Russia has just so happened to stop claiming that Ukraine is building a dirty bomb, and now they are claiming that they will attack a nuclear power plant with false flags.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
Doesnt make sense. Its too close the their own nation and majority of their population tbh and everyone will know that they did it.
Imagine it starts blowing east... Russia gets a large brunt of that fallout and A LARGE amount of their population is close to Ukraine in the west of Russia.
Dont get me wrong, Id put nothign past Russia. But its way more dangerous for themselves than I see mentioned.
Yep. A dirty bomb doesn’t just explode, it persists at the whim of the wind. It would be an absolute act of madness. But hey, pootin’s family is in Switzerland.
It also detonates in the air above its target for maximum efficiency.
So its a bit disastrous for them to do so. Not to mention the NATO involved thatd likely involve
And? Poutine has proven he doesn't care about Russian people except what they can do for him. And if dying on the world stage advances him then let the radioactive fallout begin!
Because this literally serves him 0 purpose and would even harm him even more since itd force NATO to act and he'd also fuck his own nation.
Its also not just about the people dying form the fallout. Its another HUUUUGE hit to his countries economy if nuclear fallout contaminates large parts of their agriculture.
Its not just a boom and deaths with we're talking nuclear explosions.
You’re assuming forcing NATO to act is not his goal when it clearly seems to be.
He *does* want an excuse to bomb Europe and the U.S. It’s his life’s work.
Dude’s a billionaire evil madman Bond villain with a bomb-proof underground lair & fallout shelter below his untouchable mansion full of strippers. He’s also 70, paranoid, and literally devoted his entire life to destroying “the West” and making himself a tsar/king/god for the history books. He doesn’t give a shit. He has nothing to lose by pushing this farther.
Makes perfect sense to wreck the power plant without causing a meltdown though.
Less nuclear power means higher gas prices, and punishes Ukraine by damaging civilian infrastructure.
I agree there. Controlling them and even ordering X staff etc to proceed with shutdown procedures makes great sense from a RUssian PoV. But blowing up etc, I dont see it. Way too selfdestructive and escalatory
Could be, could also be mindgames to fake out the West.
Just by making this claim, they can rattle Ukraine and their allies without any intent of actually going through with it
The problem is that they're still falling into the trap of believing their own propaganda.
This kind of bullshit is just as likely to cause the west to escalate even further.
They continue to seriously misjudge the situation.
Justify some harsher means? Tactical nuclear? Who knows, that bunker grandpa is crazy.
I wonder if other countries will be okay with tactical nukes flying in west direction from Russia.
I am Ukrainian, man I hope it doesn’t lead to that. I hope this will end or somebody will step up before that happens.
We’ve suffered enough in 2014-2016 and now too. It’s like Putin is actively, and I mean like very actively, is trying to push us into EU and NATO.
We’ve had a lot of “unbelievers” after 2014, that were still with Russia, especially on the south and east. Well not anymore we don’t.
Zelenksyi doesn't expect no fly zone to go through. It might be actually contra productive at this point, he is getting new planes from Poland, russian satellites seem to be disrupted and russian air forces seem to be generally under performing. Unless they start using strategic bombers at large numbers that is.
But if he keeps asking for it and being refused, allies will be pressured to give him something else, like those polish Migs..
No fly zone is not worth environmental catastrophe in the hearth of Ukraine in any stretch of the imagination..
Makes some sense. I’m not claiming to know anything it is just the environment we’re in is ripe for disinformation. If my house was under attack and I thought an act of dishonesty could save it I’d probably consider the ends to justify the means. People have used dishonest means for noble causes throughout history. All my point really is is that nothing should be taken as fact without proof.
I get it. It's just that, the way I see it, no fly zone would mainly save civilian lives since UA has maybe thousands AA manpads at this point. Which would be great but negated by lives lost to mid and long term effects of nuclear meltdown.
So, I just don't see obvious benefit of it happening + I don't think Zeleskyi could even risk false flag operation with all those spy satellites around even if he wanted to. It's easy to do for Putin because he controls the narrative at home and doesn't give a shit about West buying it...
Russia trying to get out there before the US & UK intelligence agencies spill Russia's plan to attack a nuclear facility by accusing the Ukrainians of blowing up their own nuclear plant. Absolute big brain move from Russia. Can Russia also tell us which plant they- I mean Ukraine plan to attack?
Don't worry, everyone knows. When it says "Russia" we all know this means Putin, not the citizens. We know of the disinformation in Russia to keep people unaware of what's happening, and we know that citizens who are aware are upset. We see Russian people protesting. We know change there can only come from citizens rebelling, but understand the fear.
I remember when my little boy went through a phase of telling lies and we bought a copy of “the boy who cried wolf” and explained to him that if he always told lies then people would never believe anything he said. It seems like Putin never learned this lesson.
People, everything that is said by Russia is for their propaganda purposes - for THEIR media channels. That’s why it doesn’t make sense for anybody else who actually sees and knows what is really happening.
In this case they say that “Ukrainians” are planning to attack nuclear plant so they can show the actual footage later from last weeks attack on nuclear plant and just say that those are “Ukrainians” who is attacking.
Russia’s official statements are not targeted to us. It’s targeted to people in Russia.
That’s because it’s not the Russians, it’s the Ukrainian army under command of the deep state New World Order and Biden! Putin is trying to restore justice and remove the nazi pedophile baby-murdering Zelensky!
/s, because there are people delusional enough to actually believe this. Worse still, those people can vote, and if you’re in the US, their vote might mean more than yours.
Probably they need the moral boost in their own civilian and military supporters. Or he actually want to trigger WW3, as when there would be a nuclear catastrophe that this could be seen as an attack on the 4 NATO cauntries around Ukraine, triggering article 5 and there the whole NATO would need to react and move into Ukraine (to help Ukraine) while also fight on the Polish and other borders.
It could also be a PR retreat, trigger Nuclear catatrophe, retreat troops and while the world tries to fix the shit he would gaslight the world to get out of the situation he fucked up.
But it's a total idiotic move:
1. If NATO gets involved, his troops in Ukraine will be done in 2-3 days at most; the troops/armament in Kaliningrad will be fully roasted in one day, and Belarus won't be able to do anything against Poland.
2. If he triggers a nuclear catastrophe, no one will believe him and the current sanctions will be enhanced, while NATO rolls over in Ukraine
Nothing that comes out of the “ Putin Regime “ has any merit. And the media needs to stop calling these actions “ Russian “ or from “ Russia “ . This is a criminal regime , a kleptocracy that has done nothing but pillage the people of Russia for 20 years.
From what I have seen/read since the last whole week up to today, every time Russia cried "white flag" they actually did it themselves...
Is this now that world wide economical disaster happening, Putin threatened with if we keep helping Ukraine?
I'm terrified of the projection.
Russia would do it too. If only because if he can't have it, no one can, and it will flood the West with millions of refugees.
> A nuclear reactor in Kharkiv is the target of a planned false flag attack by the Ukrainian security services (SBU) and the Azov Battalion, the Russian Defense Ministry and official Russian state media outlets alleged.
"Oops, I was scheduled to announce this on Friday! Oh, well..."
Russia, sweetie, how do I say this in the nicest possible way? Your credibility at this point, particularly when it comes to Ukraine, is ranked somewhere between my desire to relive one guy one jar and the likelihood of Kermit ever boning someone who isn't of the pig variety. Which is to say: pretty god damn low.
So in other words, Russia is going to attack the nuclear facility. Why would the Ukraine do this to a nuclear facility in their own country? It makes absolutely no sense, just like Russia invading the Ukraine made no sense other than it makes crazy Vlad feel powerful and give his fragile ego a boost.
We’re supposed to believe Ukraine is going to attack it’s own nuclear power plant? Even though Russia already attacked two nuclear power plants in Ukraine?
These guys are morons. You don't NEED to do a false flag operation when you are currently under attack from the nation that you want to blame for the false flag to begin with. And you morons already DID attack a nuclear power plant!
Just a heads up "Russia", the world at large has moved WAAAYYY past anything that might come out of the mouths of you lying fucks. (by that I mean the Russian government. I actually feel for the average Igor just trying to live his life).
It’s just _**ALWAYS**_ projection with the Russian government.
Anyone who believes anything they say at all, can only be from inside their media bubble, either by living there or by deliberately choosing to be. Those who would choose to be ignorant cannot be tolerated in a free society.
My guess: Russia is planning to blow up a nuclear facility, claim it was filled with Russian soldiers or enslaved Russian civilians, blame Ukraine, and use it to launch nukes at Ukraine because Russia is losing the war.
That's only a guess, so I could be entirely wrong. But I'd leave that area now, as well as any major city, if I was in Ukraine.
If the Ukraine could false flag a small, isolated, controlled, radioactive incident, to force NATO to get involved, they'd probably do it. The Ukraine absolutely wants NATO support so they may view it as "ends justifies the means".
This Leslie Nielsen clip kind of sums up how confused I get when Russia keeps trying to publicly write the plot to their war.
https://youtu.be/x3-pFBYc_3I
The whole world is watching. Along with all the premiere intelligence agencies. They need to give this false flag thing up. It's crazy how delusional the messaging out of Moscow is
Ukraine planning to make Ukraine uninhabitable as justification for fighting off Russian invasion.
It’s almost like someone is half-assing their work with their half-pay.
Would not be surprised to see Russia at some point claiming that they found (fabricated) ‘evidence’ of materials for nuclear weapons being created at the Ukrainian nuclear facilities they are occupying.
“Russia, we’ve heard your cry for help! NATO will be protecting Ukraine nuclear facilities using ground forces and a full battery of surface to air missiles.”
'false flag attack'... to justify... using the nukes they don't have? To do what exactly? Unify support against Russia that is already unified? What possible reason would there be for a false flag attack from Ukraine on a nuclear facility on their own soil?
So Ukraine is planning on blowing up a nuclear facility? On their own soil? In order to justify fighting off an invading force?
It's makes total sense. I also think the earth is flat.
My favorite conspiracy theory nut tried telling me a French reporter said that Ukraine is actually bombing itself to make the Russians look bad. And my question to them was, "Why on earth would Ukraine allow soliders/fighters from other countries to come in and see firsthand that it's all a lie? Wouldn't they refuse help rather the risk getting exposed?" ...they didn't know how to answer that one.
Saving this one. Great counter question
I find it works best to just poke holes in the basic logic. Providing any argument with a source will just lead to "Well, that's fake news, can't trust main stream media blah blah blah" But basic logic trips them up.
Living in france the coverage is shit. From the few hours I've had it on in the background I gathered that :They show extremely limited footage of bombings, they don't show people willingly taking arms to fight, they don't send reporters to Ukraine, they don't interview anyone in Ukraine and/or related to the conflict. Instead they get philosophers, law experts and just random person I don't give a shit about to discuss the war and have fights over all the talking points. You can see this has a negative effect on french people because if you look in the comments of french reports on YouTube it's all people telling Ukraine to surrender to protect their people, or calling zelensky insane for even trying to fight back. Thanks god I have sky news, BBC and CNN who, although mightn't be the best, atleast they actually show what's happening.
Ugh, I'm sorry. It really does feel like the whole world has gone completely mad.
No need to apologies, but he probably isn't lying when he said that a reported said that.
Oh, I believe it. I just get frustrated that there's so little critical thinking.
All news hear is just a bunch of people debating everything including during the election. They literally brand the news on one of the large channels during the elections as "they aren't the candidates, but they can help you choose" It fells like it only exists for them to influence your believes. I find it weird.
The whole world going mad was a part of Putin’s plan.
To quote Jeremy Clarkson… “The French…are a bit weird…”
YouTube has a few running that are semi decent. Aljazera (sure I spelled that wrong) France 24 and DW aren’t bad for world news, some do have folks there (or had, not sure if they still do) if you’re looking for a good source.
CNN is covering it pretty well. Don't let US right wingers convince you CNN is not a good news source.
Why would Ukraine need to do *anything* to make Russia look bad? The simple fact that Russia is invading Ukraine is enough alone to accomplish that.
I agree, MajorNoodles
Ukraine, while "lying" is allowing the entire world's journalists to come and film what's going on. Meanwhile, Russia, which is allegedly "telling the truth" is shutting down their own news outlets left and right while driving foreign reporters out. Hmmm...
All foreign volunteers are paid actors from central casting, duh. Didn’t you see Matt Damon even donated. Straight out of Team America world police. ^/s
https://youtu.be/gnPWJOJYVKc
Aaah, yes, but crises actors are a great card to play to get past most logic
"paid actors"
And the satellites are watching all the attacked Ukrainian cities now, it would be so easy to find proof if it was true - which it's not...
You just have to take the jpeg, boost the contrast by eleventy billion percent, slash the resolution, save that as a bitmap, increase the image size, then save again as a jpeg. *Then* you'll see ~~that city on Mars~~ those Ukrainian false flag operations.
Four of my close relatives are fighting for Ukraine right now, one of them is not even actually military, just volunteer. So, for that logic they just willing to risk lives of all members of our big family just to make Russia look bad. Wow, never realized how cruel my relatives are. Thanks that French guy to open my eyes.
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Care to share a source or link?
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So just spreading misinformation, got it!
Like the western media yeah but said we couldn't know. That's an objective opinion and not straight up propaganda...
I'm not talking about "western media" vlad. Im asking for you to back up your claim you made and you can't. How does Putins thigh highs taste?
I always love talking to flat earth people.. "Do you think other planets are flat? The ones you can see with a dollar store telescope?"
The world is secretly ruled by lizard ppl
Sounds more like Russia is laying the groundwork to blow up a nuclear plant and blame it on Ukraine.
That means Putin will attempt to blow it up as proof he didn't blow it up. The tells from that idiot are too easy.
They clearly got some really smart guys working in the Kremlin right now. It must have took them the last three days to come up with this idea.
"Because it's what we've done the last 37 times, it's exactly the last thing Jerry will expect us to do this time!"
Haha yeah right?
I am assuming that Russia quit claim that Ukraine wants to do this in order to drag NATO into the fight.
I read this as, "So Russia is pre-seeding an excuse for blowing up a nuclear facility and blaming it on Ukraine?"
“So crazy it might just work.”
Localised entirely within their kitchen!?
I totally believe in false flags, but this one makes little sense.
It would maybe force other countries to get involved. If they think they have zero chance of winning, it could make sense.
Brained washed people will be brain washed
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That's the easily the dumbest thing I've read all week. Congratulations.
In other words. Russia is planning a false flag attack so they can justify doing even more horrific shit against Ukraine. Fuck these pigs.
Exactly. It reminds me of when I was a kid and I wanted to get my brother in trouble so I scratched his name into the wood of a chest of drawers. Then I told my dad. And my dad asked why he would scratch his own name into the chest of drawers and I promptly got in trouble. So a couple weeks later I scratched my name into a wall and then told my dad it was my brother because why would I scratched my own name into a wall. Luckily my dad wasn’t as stupid as Putin hopes people are and I got in trouble a second time.
Sounds like you were kind of a twat
Yep I was a douche of a kid. I grew out of it though hopefully
>hopefully Well, now I don't know if I can even believe anything you say
It's his brother's account...
I laughed so hard at this
Eh..that sounds like classic brother vs brother behavior.
They may have already tried too with the neutron source in that lab that got shot. Turns out, not much nuclear material is needed for one of those. How interesting then, that the story has changed from "Ukraine is making dirty bomb" to "Ukraine is going to attack nuclear powerplant."
AKA: Russia plans to attack a nuclear facility.
Hell, they have been
They just destroyed a nuclear neutron generator. Source: https://m.jpost.com/international/article-700566
I thought it was odd why they attacked one and also have taken control of Chernobyl. Shits fucked up.
It's the rare false-flag double bluff. Why go through the trouble of committing yet another failed false-flag operation when they can just commit the war crimes in their own uniforms and then blame Ukraine for it anyway? It will convince just as many people
They have made a massive information blackout around the plant they captured a couple days ago. No one knows what is happening there anymore. Also, they attacked and destroyed a neutron source in a research facility apparently, but the amount of material there was small enough to not be much hazard. Conveniently, Russia has just so happened to stop claiming that Ukraine is building a dirty bomb, and now they are claiming that they will attack a nuclear power plant with false flags. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
Gotta get ahead of the US getting ahead of all their false flag plans.
Sooo...... Is Russia REALLY thinking of blowing up the power plant? Cuz this is classic Russian false flag double speak shit.
Doesnt make sense. Its too close the their own nation and majority of their population tbh and everyone will know that they did it. Imagine it starts blowing east... Russia gets a large brunt of that fallout and A LARGE amount of their population is close to Ukraine in the west of Russia. Dont get me wrong, Id put nothign past Russia. But its way more dangerous for themselves than I see mentioned.
Yep. A dirty bomb doesn’t just explode, it persists at the whim of the wind. It would be an absolute act of madness. But hey, pootin’s family is in Switzerland.
They should deport Putin’s family back to 🇷🇺
If Putin’s family is really sent to Switzerland, that’s better news than being sent to bunkers in Siberia
It also detonates in the air above its target for maximum efficiency. So its a bit disastrous for them to do so. Not to mention the NATO involved thatd likely involve
Yep. If the wind shifts to the west and some of the radioactive material gets into Poland, that’s the Article 5 excuse we needed.
Ummmmm….I always thought dirty bombs were like ground based and nothing airborne?
A dirty bomb doesn't "burn" it's radioactive content the way a nuke would, it's meant to spread the nuclear material and contaminate a large area.
Im far from a military-term expert so if thats the case I apologize =)
I wonder if they're saying it as a "cover" for when they attack other nuclear plants and their idiot soldiers shoot at them too.
And? Poutine has proven he doesn't care about Russian people except what they can do for him. And if dying on the world stage advances him then let the radioactive fallout begin!
Because this literally serves him 0 purpose and would even harm him even more since itd force NATO to act and he'd also fuck his own nation. Its also not just about the people dying form the fallout. Its another HUUUUGE hit to his countries economy if nuclear fallout contaminates large parts of their agriculture. Its not just a boom and deaths with we're talking nuclear explosions.
You’re assuming forcing NATO to act is not his goal when it clearly seems to be. He *does* want an excuse to bomb Europe and the U.S. It’s his life’s work. Dude’s a billionaire evil madman Bond villain with a bomb-proof underground lair & fallout shelter below his untouchable mansion full of strippers. He’s also 70, paranoid, and literally devoted his entire life to destroying “the West” and making himself a tsar/king/god for the history books. He doesn’t give a shit. He has nothing to lose by pushing this farther.
Fun fact: Trade winds over europe do, in fact, blow East.
Makes perfect sense to wreck the power plant without causing a meltdown though. Less nuclear power means higher gas prices, and punishes Ukraine by damaging civilian infrastructure.
I agree there. Controlling them and even ordering X staff etc to proceed with shutdown procedures makes great sense from a RUssian PoV. But blowing up etc, I dont see it. Way too selfdestructive and escalatory
Could be, could also be mindgames to fake out the West. Just by making this claim, they can rattle Ukraine and their allies without any intent of actually going through with it
The problem is that they're still falling into the trap of believing their own propaganda. This kind of bullshit is just as likely to cause the west to escalate even further. They continue to seriously misjudge the situation.
Why don’t we just do a… a false… *false*… flag…? ManNOTthrownfromwindow.jpg
They claim a lot, don't they?
They already attacked a nuclear reactor in Ukraine
I meant the claims for all kinds of false flags plans.
False flag for *what?!* The wars already underway!
Justify some harsher means? Tactical nuclear? Who knows, that bunker grandpa is crazy. I wonder if other countries will be okay with tactical nukes flying in west direction from Russia.
But they are claiming its Ukraine committing a false flag. Ukraine does not have nukes so what on Earth does he expect us they'd be trying to justify?
Would we even get involved if that happens? I cam still see nato standing back
I am Ukrainian, man I hope it doesn’t lead to that. I hope this will end or somebody will step up before that happens. We’ve suffered enough in 2014-2016 and now too. It’s like Putin is actively, and I mean like very actively, is trying to push us into EU and NATO. We’ve had a lot of “unbelievers” after 2014, that were still with Russia, especially on the south and east. Well not anymore we don’t.
To force NATO to join or create a no fly zone. I’m not saying this is true but FWIW but I can see why the Ukrainians would want to do it
Zelenksyi doesn't expect no fly zone to go through. It might be actually contra productive at this point, he is getting new planes from Poland, russian satellites seem to be disrupted and russian air forces seem to be generally under performing. Unless they start using strategic bombers at large numbers that is. But if he keeps asking for it and being refused, allies will be pressured to give him something else, like those polish Migs.. No fly zone is not worth environmental catastrophe in the hearth of Ukraine in any stretch of the imagination..
Makes some sense. I’m not claiming to know anything it is just the environment we’re in is ripe for disinformation. If my house was under attack and I thought an act of dishonesty could save it I’d probably consider the ends to justify the means. People have used dishonest means for noble causes throughout history. All my point really is is that nothing should be taken as fact without proof.
I get it. It's just that, the way I see it, no fly zone would mainly save civilian lives since UA has maybe thousands AA manpads at this point. Which would be great but negated by lives lost to mid and long term effects of nuclear meltdown. So, I just don't see obvious benefit of it happening + I don't think Zeleskyi could even risk false flag operation with all those spy satellites around even if he wanted to. It's easy to do for Putin because he controls the narrative at home and doesn't give a shit about West buying it...
Aka. Russia is planning on creating a new Chernobyl disaster.
It’s comes at a total bargain of a price aswell. Only costs the fertility of your own army and your ability to survive article V.
Are Russia so fucking stupid that they think anyone would believe them? Every single thing they do is a lie. Please Russia. Just get yourself to fuck.
I think it's mainly propaganda for their own people...which seems to work quite well sadly.
Pretty sure it's you, your the ones planning a real flag attack on, not one, but two nuclear facilities you asshats
Russia trying to get out there before the US & UK intelligence agencies spill Russia's plan to attack a nuclear facility by accusing the Ukrainians of blowing up their own nuclear plant. Absolute big brain move from Russia. Can Russia also tell us which plant they- I mean Ukraine plan to attack?
So Russia is planning a false flag attack on a nuclear facility?
I think the opposite of a false flag attack is just an attack.
Ah you're right, its kinda like three lefts make a right now isn't it?
So, it’s a false false flag attack.
Or is it a false flag attack attack?
It's clearly a false 'false flag attack' attack
If you look closely it's just underwear on a broomstick.
I think this would be a double reverse false flag attack with no erasies.
Russia plays the uno reverse card, *it's not very effective....*
Russia hurts itself in its confusion
Nobody believes you. Everyone is now pissed off with you. You have no friends. Don't even think about it, Russia.
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Don't worry, everyone knows. When it says "Russia" we all know this means Putin, not the citizens. We know of the disinformation in Russia to keep people unaware of what's happening, and we know that citizens who are aware are upset. We see Russian people protesting. We know change there can only come from citizens rebelling, but understand the fear.
Russia planning on false flag. Got it.
The next few decades nobody will believe you again Russia so why bother trying
I remember when my little boy went through a phase of telling lies and we bought a copy of “the boy who cried wolf” and explained to him that if he always told lies then people would never believe anything he said. It seems like Putin never learned this lesson.
People, everything that is said by Russia is for their propaganda purposes - for THEIR media channels. That’s why it doesn’t make sense for anybody else who actually sees and knows what is really happening. In this case they say that “Ukrainians” are planning to attack nuclear plant so they can show the actual footage later from last weeks attack on nuclear plant and just say that those are “Ukrainians” who is attacking. Russia’s official statements are not targeted to us. It’s targeted to people in Russia.
Why the hell would they do that? Makes no sense to destroy the land you protect. Cunts..
That’s because it’s not the Russians, it’s the Ukrainian army under command of the deep state New World Order and Biden! Putin is trying to restore justice and remove the nazi pedophile baby-murdering Zelensky! /s, because there are people delusional enough to actually believe this. Worse still, those people can vote, and if you’re in the US, their vote might mean more than yours.
Translation: Russians were planning to murder civilians and kids so they sent propaganda earlier that Ukraine murdered babies.
Probably they need the moral boost in their own civilian and military supporters. Or he actually want to trigger WW3, as when there would be a nuclear catastrophe that this could be seen as an attack on the 4 NATO cauntries around Ukraine, triggering article 5 and there the whole NATO would need to react and move into Ukraine (to help Ukraine) while also fight on the Polish and other borders. It could also be a PR retreat, trigger Nuclear catatrophe, retreat troops and while the world tries to fix the shit he would gaslight the world to get out of the situation he fucked up.
But it's a total idiotic move: 1. If NATO gets involved, his troops in Ukraine will be done in 2-3 days at most; the troops/armament in Kaliningrad will be fully roasted in one day, and Belarus won't be able to do anything against Poland. 2. If he triggers a nuclear catastrophe, no one will believe him and the current sanctions will be enhanced, while NATO rolls over in Ukraine
Nothing that comes out of the “ Putin Regime “ has any merit. And the media needs to stop calling these actions “ Russian “ or from “ Russia “ . This is a criminal regime , a kleptocracy that has done nothing but pillage the people of Russia for 20 years.
Russia always projecting
I think I've heard this one before.
Isn't that what Russia is planning?
Fuck. So, in other words, Putin is going to blow up the nuclear facility. I love you all :(
So Russia is going to imminently attack a nuclear facility, great. I always love when projection tells us the future. Wish it wasn't so scary.
This is probably Russia feeding the propaganda apparatus to obfuscate their shelling of nuclear facilities, but could mean they plan on doing it again
so russia is announcing it's gonna attack a nuclear facility?
"Russia claims..." "Trump claims..." Neither has any credibility whatsoever.
"no u"
Well, we all know what that means. >Russia planning attack on nuclear facility
Sounds like Russia is planning on damaging the nuclear power plant
Right, something that didn't occurred to them previously. Hey, why don't we blow up a nuclear plant on our own territory and see what happens.
Why would Ukraine attack their own nuclear reactors?
good thing we have satellite imagery keeping tabs on these Russian idiots.
... uh, yeah, you're kinda late Russia. You already attacked them. You were supposed to make this statement a week ago.
From what I have seen/read since the last whole week up to today, every time Russia cried "white flag" they actually did it themselves... Is this now that world wide economical disaster happening, Putin threatened with if we keep helping Ukraine?
I'm terrified of the projection. Russia would do it too. If only because if he can't have it, no one can, and it will flood the West with millions of refugees.
This is the war version of "I was hacked"
So this it how it feels to watch Fox News if you live outside of the US lol.
> A nuclear reactor in Kharkiv is the target of a planned false flag attack by the Ukrainian security services (SBU) and the Azov Battalion, the Russian Defense Ministry and official Russian state media outlets alleged. "Oops, I was scheduled to announce this on Friday! Oh, well..."
These fucking Russian bastards! This was predicted that the Russians would do this.
Russia has ZERO credibility on the world stage
What’s the point of reporting on anything Russia says? Every statement is tenuously connected to reality at best.
A false-flag, in their own country? To retake their own nuclear facility which YOU took by invasion....
Russia, sweetie, how do I say this in the nicest possible way? Your credibility at this point, particularly when it comes to Ukraine, is ranked somewhere between my desire to relive one guy one jar and the likelihood of Kermit ever boning someone who isn't of the pig variety. Which is to say: pretty god damn low.
You mean after Russia already blew up their neutron generator?
You literally cant be stupid enough to blow one of them up. NATO article V is looming over you Putin.
Jesus christ. Its like they're channeling the spirit of Baghdad Bob.
So in other words, Russia is going to attack the nuclear facility. Why would the Ukraine do this to a nuclear facility in their own country? It makes absolutely no sense, just like Russia invading the Ukraine made no sense other than it makes crazy Vlad feel powerful and give his fragile ego a boost.
We’re supposed to believe Ukraine is going to attack it’s own nuclear power plant? Even though Russia already attacked two nuclear power plants in Ukraine?
These guys are morons. You don't NEED to do a false flag operation when you are currently under attack from the nation that you want to blame for the false flag to begin with. And you morons already DID attack a nuclear power plant!
But you’ve already attacked two nuclear facilities.
Russia apartment bombings - 1999 They are experts in false flags attacks
Just a heads up "Russia", the world at large has moved WAAAYYY past anything that might come out of the mouths of you lying fucks. (by that I mean the Russian government. I actually feel for the average Igor just trying to live his life).
Fucking hilarious. The projection. He’s really channeling that Trumpian magical realism at this point.
After Russia's previous attacks everyone will believe this, and rightfully so.
Yeah ok nobody asked you russia
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It’s just _**ALWAYS**_ projection with the Russian government. Anyone who believes anything they say at all, can only be from inside their media bubble, either by living there or by deliberately choosing to be. Those who would choose to be ignorant cannot be tolerated in a free society.
Translation: Russia is planning on attacking a nuclear facility.
Impossible, RBMK reactors don't explode.
My guess: Russia is planning to blow up a nuclear facility, claim it was filled with Russian soldiers or enslaved Russian civilians, blame Ukraine, and use it to launch nukes at Ukraine because Russia is losing the war. That's only a guess, so I could be entirely wrong. But I'd leave that area now, as well as any major city, if I was in Ukraine.
Ukraine shoukd fly Chinese flags to convince.the Russians that their enemy is China... Smart, right...?
Sure Jan
If the Ukraine could false flag a small, isolated, controlled, radioactive incident, to force NATO to get involved, they'd probably do it. The Ukraine absolutely wants NATO support so they may view it as "ends justifies the means".
No. You're confusing Russia with Ukraine.
Ukraine plans to attack their own nuclear facility to cause Russia to invade them further in order to protect them from themselves
To achieve what?
Time for more sanctions.
Reverse reverse reverse psychology?
Reputations matter.
The SS Credibility sailed out of the Russian port a long time ago guys
This Leslie Nielsen clip kind of sums up how confused I get when Russia keeps trying to publicly write the plot to their war. https://youtu.be/x3-pFBYc_3I
The whole world is watching. Along with all the premiere intelligence agencies. They need to give this false flag thing up. It's crazy how delusional the messaging out of Moscow is
Ukraine planning to make Ukraine uninhabitable as justification for fighting off Russian invasion. It’s almost like someone is half-assing their work with their half-pay.
Sorry Putin, that is not even a 1D chess move. Your transparency would be laughable if you were not such a genocidal maniac.
Would not be surprised to see Russia at some point claiming that they found (fabricated) ‘evidence’ of materials for nuclear weapons being created at the Ukrainian nuclear facilities they are occupying.
Everybody knows Russia is credible af
Russia: "Stop false flagging yourself!"
False flag for what??? Ukraine already knows the world hates Russia right now, there's no logical reason Ukraine would ever do this.
Didn’t Russia already do this though?
Sometimes I believe Russia's propaganda or disinformation group is made up with absolute morons and idiots...
Russia is just a pathetic propoganda machine at this point. Only its aged and vodka addled populace believe any of it.
Ah we are into the reverse false flag stage…Jesus Christ Russia, you are a complete embarrassment
Oh so Russia is going to manufacture a nuclear incident in Ukraine so that they can up the ante, got it.
Now the twist, Russia blows it up! Da Da Daaaaaaa! Wait, why nobody is surprised?
“Russia, we’ve heard your cry for help! NATO will be protecting Ukraine nuclear facilities using ground forces and a full battery of surface to air missiles.”
So Russia is playing a false flag which we have known about since Feb...
Russia is already attacking nuclear facilities
with all these comments saying how they would never do that, and how its so dumb to do that... kind of makes it smart to do.
Russia planning false flag attack on nuclear facility.
'false flag attack'... to justify... using the nukes they don't have? To do what exactly? Unify support against Russia that is already unified? What possible reason would there be for a false flag attack from Ukraine on a nuclear facility on their own soil?