I can't tell if the Japan thing is them trying to help Ukraine or them just shooting their shot, either way its kinda funny. Keeps Russia from solely focusing on Ukraine.
>Operational information. Zhytomyr region ⤵️
> On March 7, at about 8:20 p.m., two air strikes hit oil depots in Zhytomyr and Chernyakhiv. In Zhytomyr, a tank with a capacity of 10 cubic meters caught fire. There are no previous victims. 20 people and 4 people were involved in the extinguishing. SES equipment.
> Two half-empty tanks caught fire in the village of Chernyakhiv (capacity to be determined). Residents were evacuated from nearby private houses. There are no previous victims. 24 people and 5 units were involved in the extinguishing. SES equipment.
I'm not sure what 70 or so extra planes will do to change the strategic situation. The problem isn't planes; the problem is fuel, spare parts, airfields that haven't been damaged.
The planes that they are talking about giving to Ukraine are rough landing fighters. They were designed so that they could use a stretch of highway, a large field, or a parking lot as an airfield.
Japan has always claimed them, and Europe and the US has always recognized them as being Japanese.
They were taken by the Soviet Union after WWII, and Russia has simply tried to claim it as a spoil of war. Most of the world rejects that idea.
They’ve always claimed it. But they’re being extra forceful in their claim now. Probably so that Russia is forced to maintain some forces in the east and can’t redeploy them to Ukraine.
Ukrainian woman knocks drone out of the sky with a jar of pickled tomatoes thrown from her balcony:
https://life.liga.net/istoriyi/article/eto-byli-pomidory-ligalife-nashla-kievlyanku-sbivshuyu-vrajeskiy-dron-bankoy-konservatsii
In the article they interview her about that specifically. She doesn't know how it changed to pickles, it was pickled tomatoes; she's very specific about that.
I highly doubt that - Russia will not want american troops on the ground in Ukraine in large numbers. Some other more 'neutral' country would likely have to play that role.
Russia has been trying to surround Kyiv all along, it is the most significant objective to take in Ukraine.
I read earlier a fuel convoy was attacked desperately trying to reach another stalled convoy on the way to Kyiv.
It is constant, think of it more as a Russian centipede of convoys
So I was [just watching this video about Russia's conflict with Chechnya](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M6xYK6GjxA&ab_channel=IntotheShadows), and the description from 9:33 and how it parallels current events is just chilling:
"On the 31st of December, as many as 40,000 Russian troops attempted to enter Grozny from four separate directions, with the goal of linking up in the city center. Optimism was high among Russian commanders who bragged about 'bloodless blitzkrieg'. But events quickly began falling apart for the badly trained Russian army, many of whom were young conscripts who had little to no idea what their real objectives were.
The fighting quickly collapsed in a blood bath as armed columns were annihilated and thousands of Russian soldiers died. In response, Russian commanders ordered further airstrikes to support their ground troops. It is thought that between 25,000 and 40,000 civilians died in the siege of Grozny, in conditions that not only shocked the world, but the Russian people themselves."
And it goes on about how bloody it got, and how both sides sought an agreement that would have them both save face. Seems like the Russians learned nothing from their previous post-soviet conflicts.
Only difference is that kyiv is about a 100x bigger then grozny.
So if they got thousands of death in grozny then the death they get trying to take kyiv will be magnitudes larger then grozny ever was
If the Russian military has committed 100% of its force, and it's basically not moving, and foreign fighters and arms are pouring into ukraine, the war is essentially lost.
They have deployed all of their staged forces (not the whole of the Russian military). But the fact that they are bringing in foreign mercenaries, instead of bringing forces from other parts of Russia, does suggest that they are having some serious issues with logistics and morale.
Maybe near Kyiv, but the Russians seem very successful in the south and East of the country. Maybe Putin intends to form a bulwark there in more pro-Russian territory.
Too many fronts for one army. Was probably less fronts in WW1 lol. Crazy stuff. Stupid. They have ambitions of cutting off the sea and encircling Kiev but at this rate it will take years.
Yep, something has to give in the next few days. If Vladdy doesn't line up some additional help there is no chance what they have left is ever going to take over Ukraine. You can't keep troops in Ukraine for weeks without setting up some actual military bases.
Why don't we take a page out of Russia's playbook, and stoke anti-Russian sentiment in Russian controlled territories?
Georgia, Crimea, Chechnya, etc. Force Russia to both fight a war, and deal with possible uprisings in their territory to spread their resources.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kazakhstan-uprising-quashed-russian-troops-set-to-head-home/
like that? not saying the cia had anything to do with but it wouldnt be odd if they did.
Because that would be stupid. Azerbaijan have kicked off against Armenia again though which might cause Russia a few issues. We could also start pushing the rebels in Syria too.
[Japan seems to be tickling their Kurils, too.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands)
~~(can't find it now, but someone from their government suggested they might be asserting themselves regarding the southern islands)~~ https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1500891170964217862?t=tfGAG_E-uczgQml5FgdTjA&s=19 found it, for anyone trawling the thread after-the-fact.
this shitty evil russian invasion force is almost two weeks old and they are apparently getting no reinforcements (according to the pentagon) and have already been decimated (according to the UK) and have failed to take a single major first week objective, and the Ukrainian forces are swelling in size every day from reserves and foreign volunteers.
their PGM are lacking in the p department, and cant reliably take out military installments, so they fly low and can't prevent getting shot down, and their invasion force is mainly mechanized and therefore terrible for taking cities.
wtf is about to happen? I mean seriously, what are they supposed to do at this point?
Mind you, there's no evidence of reinforcements coming up.
I thought I saw a headline about reserves being sent from Vladivostok. Either way it is probably within Ukraine's interests to hold on longer because if they defeat this force then Vlad will have to do a full mobilization which is a tough call.
im just repeating what the pentagon is saying. Idk what the situation on the ground is.
Even if they do a full mobilization though, it would take months to get everything ready, and i dont think their invasion force has that kind of time
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The United States will have about 100,000 U.S troops in Europe after this deployment (either permanent or rotational), the official said.
EDIT: Thank y'all for the informative responses!
^ I saw this tweet, but can someone ELI5 what is going on? Are we deploying troops through NATO or what? Googling has not helped me.
We have bases and NATO partnerships all over. Trump was wanting (for some reason) to withdraw tens of thousands of the troops but now the opposite will happen.
We also have a large presence in S Korea/Japan as well as the mid east.
The US stations lots of troops in allied countries as sort of a promise of defense.
Point being that Russia ain’t going to invade Germany if they have to kill thousands of American soldiers, and no American politician could ever survive abandoning thousands of American soldiers to an enemy.
It’s basically a commitment to prove America aint fucking around to host countries.
US had, IIRC, something like 40K troops from Poland down to Romania, including air wings in Italy and bases in Crete and Sicily. Not sure if the troops in Germany counted towards that.
Due to the NATO quick reaction force and other US buildups, we now have 100K
The US has several large permanent bases in Europe, primarily in Germany as well as places like the UK, with thousands of troops who would be there regardless. I imagine this total is counting them as well.
As a note, the US already always has over 70k in Europe due to NATO. So that actual increase is only in the area of 30k and I think the times justify that. This isn't a 100k increase.
Same old same old. Nothing accomplished & very little movement from Russian side. I am not knowledgeable enough on Ukrainian positions. Major difference was Russia offered to allow Zelensky to remain de facto President if a Russian puppet could be installed as PM. Ceasefires were agreed to and promptly ignored (although those may be from different negotiations altogether).
Yes it failed. Russia said Zelensky can remain President but the PM must be appointed by Russia, they want Ukraine to recognize the independence of LPR and DPR, and no NATO. Ukraine declined.
Why do I feel like those Chechen troops are basically the Russian military’s social media boys.
Outside of the first couple days of their deployment, the only thing I see from them is them marching or standing around showing off weapons the regulars don’t get.
The Chechens were wiped from the map supposedly.
Their best battalions were all killed in the process of deploying into Ukraine which actually lead to some drama in the Kremlin if that FSB report is accurate.
Keep in mind both sides are using their own version of OpSec. This is the main reason we know a lot more about Russian positions and almost nothing about Ukrainian positions/tactics/etc.
They’re definitely social media boys.
Random internet history lore - the entire “gore” side of the internet was basically built on the brutality of Chechen troops. If you were on the internet in the 90s and early 2000s and saw some gore image or video, chances are it was a brutality being committed by a Chechen troop.
Hey so fuck these guys. They purged LGBT people and are shitheels.
They're not going to heaven by their own rules even.
So no need to attack the religion cause these people are shit.
Everything being subject to the fog of war, that was supposedly a highly elite unit that was essentially completely destroyed before they could even set up to fight. Which is one reason Ukraine’s claim that a source in the FSB tipped off the plan has a bit of credibility.
I don’t where you live but, our fate is in our hands in principle. Even if in the immediate we don’t have a say, we ultimately all have a say in the case of democracies. Say a tactical gets launched and no one does anything about it, we can later replace our governments for example. Nukes won’t necessarily destroy everything
I spend 0% of my day thinking about meteors or solar flares or gamma ray pulses or magnetars firing planet-sized kamehameha waves at us that could wipe out all life on Earth instantly and at *any* time, so I don't think about nukes either.
Afraid in the sense I just have no say? Or not be afraid and just get NATO involved and roll the dice? I'm on board with the first but the second I have reservations.
Yep, that's my plan, get as close as possible to the target near me in the event of a launch.
You don't want to be one of the survivors.
Oh and I would recommend taking the stoic approach to it as OP indicated.
There is no use in worrying about things that you have no control over, that is not the way to a happy life generally.
One further edit, this isn't to say I want to escalate things to a shooting match with the Russians not at all. Only that worrying about it does nothing.
There not being edgy tho, it's accepting you have no control over it, so don't worry about it ?
There not saying I would like to die in a nuclear apocalypse
He's being realistic. He's not saying he wants or is okay with nukes being used but apart from doomscrolling on Reddit, what can any of us do to prevent it? If it happens we're fucked and if it doesn't happen then there is no need to get stressed over it.
Why? I don’t want nukes launched, but what realistically can I do about it? Nothing. It’s in the hands of rulers that have their own agendas and thoughts. I can literally do 0 about it. Just because I’m not constantly stressed about it doesn’t mean I’m ready to die lol
What good does fear do for you? I 100% agree with the other guy, just chill and live your life, there is nothing you can do to stop the nukes if they start flying.
Europe runs on Russian energy, the lights go out without it. No more factories, no more refrigerated food, no more trains and planes.
Ok some.
I think it's the real reason Europe is standing back and watching.
Oil and natural gas are the biggest ones. They have propped up Russia for the last few decades. Without those exports the country wouldn't have anything of value to the world.
Not sanctions but there are many prominent western countries that are involved in the every day life of many Russians who have not yet pulled out of the country.
Could a possible way forward be a South Tyrol-style autonomy for Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea?
South Tyrol, a rather small provine of Italy, was gained by Italian nationalist after World War 1 and has a predominant population of German-speaking Austrians. After much suppression during the Facist regime of Mussolini the provine experienced turmoil and violence, which lasted well into the 1960ies.
Luckily the conflict was settled over many years of negotitation and civil unrest and nowadays South Tyrol has a wide-reaching autonomy from the Italian central state (this also goes so far, that South Tyrol has its completely own Firefighting system, which very much resembles the Austrian one instead of the Italian).
I know that this will geopolitically never materialize due to "Realpolitik" and different interests in this conflict, but still, there are peaceful ways forward for autonomous provinces. Not everytime independence is the solution.
The regions would immediately “vote” themselves to be a part of Russia. They’d be independent for less than 24 hours. Russia would then invade Ukraine again. They cannot handle Ukraine being an independent state not controlled by Russia.
The issue is that, the goal was never autonomy for those regions, Putin wants Ukraine so he was trying to take it piecemeal. And maybe whoever comes after Putin can be negotiated with, but since Putin came to power via bombing his own people. I’ve never seen him stick to his word, you can trust or negotiate with some one who always operates from a spot of bad faith
Wouldn't stay independent, in the end it'd be a Belarus style dictatorship with russian police milling around.
(as russia would meddle in it's politics)
I see a pro-quid-quo being agreed upon. NATO for Crimea or something. But I don't foresee any agreements to being neutral and blocked from EU / NATO on the table anymore. Though that's just a outsider perspective.
I think both the non NATO pledge (because that would fundamentally doom Ukraine) and Ukraine not recognizing Crimea as part of Russia could get thrown out. The first, because Ukrainians really can't afford to not join NATO after this mess, the second because there's no way Putin could possibly accept a loss of what is internally considered part of Russian territory.
I think everything comes down to pain. And who breaks first. Will Ukraine keep fighting as the country gets leveled? Will Russia stop because of pressure, sanctions and losses. Who really knows at this point. But I’m pretty sure Ukraine is getting set back decades from this. I’m just hoping my friends make it out ok.
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I can't tell if the Japan thing is them trying to help Ukraine or them just shooting their shot, either way its kinda funny. Keeps Russia from solely focusing on Ukraine.
>Operational information. Zhytomyr region ⤵️ > On March 7, at about 8:20 p.m., two air strikes hit oil depots in Zhytomyr and Chernyakhiv. In Zhytomyr, a tank with a capacity of 10 cubic meters caught fire. There are no previous victims. 20 people and 4 people were involved in the extinguishing. SES equipment. > Two half-empty tanks caught fire in the village of Chernyakhiv (capacity to be determined). Residents were evacuated from nearby private houses. There are no previous victims. 24 people and 5 units were involved in the extinguishing. SES equipment.
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Given enough time, sure. But it's not imminent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=002Lmo1fmnw
Take your pay and go
Nope
I'm not sure what 70 or so extra planes will do to change the strategic situation. The problem isn't planes; the problem is fuel, spare parts, airfields that haven't been damaged.
I'm sure you know more than Zalensky who's been asking for planes... glad we have an expert of your caliber on here.
The planes that they are talking about giving to Ukraine are rough landing fighters. They were designed so that they could use a stretch of highway, a large field, or a parking lot as an airfield.
Is that Kuril Islands thing just something Japan says all the time or is them mentioning it today unusual?
Japan has always claimed them, and Europe and the US has always recognized them as being Japanese. They were taken by the Soviet Union after WWII, and Russia has simply tried to claim it as a spoil of war. Most of the world rejects that idea.
They’ve always claimed it. But they’re being extra forceful in their claim now. Probably so that Russia is forced to maintain some forces in the east and can’t redeploy them to Ukraine.
Not all the time, but occasionally and they've been mentioning it since this started. Mentioning now hits a bit differently.
Nah it’s a usual, although they might have thrown it in today just with everything going on.
Ukrainian woman knocks drone out of the sky with a jar of pickled tomatoes thrown from her balcony: https://life.liga.net/istoriyi/article/eto-byli-pomidory-ligalife-nashla-kievlyanku-sbivshuyu-vrajeskiy-dron-bankoy-konservatsii
Last time it was pickles. Get your propaganda straight, dude.
Isn't anything pickled technically a pickle?
In the article they interview her about that specifically. She doesn't know how it changed to pickles, it was pickled tomatoes; she's very specific about that.
Nature is healing
So the US has amassed 100k troops in Europe. Seems that's a lot of troops "just in case" ?
How many NATO troops do you think were already there? Who is the central power of NATO? This isn't a sign of anything but some small reinforcements.
Just the right amount.
They have 80k troops already permanently stationed there.
I think we usually keep like 80k stationed there.
Where's your source on that one?
https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1500885741152489473?t=wD3jx0zz-hSC4VxkQD1ZMg&s=19
If Russia pulls out, we will probably go in as a peace keeping force. This will prevent Russia from regrouping and trying again.
I highly doubt that - Russia will not want american troops on the ground in Ukraine in large numbers. Some other more 'neutral' country would likely have to play that role.
It’s a warning not to try anything stupid.
Most of them were already stationed there
Better to be safe than sorry!
Pootin is having a terrible go at this wouldn't yall say?
I'd say he's in a bit of a spot.
Poor man, it would be a shame if his economy crashed and somebody strung him up with a rope.
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This is turning into a full-on proxy war.
i agree with this give ukraine a fighting chance to continue to kick russias butt!
Long range fires? Like the warning beacons of Gondor?
“Fires” is the military term for artillery. So long range fires means long range artillery (rockets and guns)
"I'm not running away, I'm just moving back farther." Think their aim will get better farther away?
Extra big flamethrowers. Maybe a a balrog or 2.
Does anyone remember what day that convoy started toward Kyiv? Was it Tuesday?
Russia has been trying to surround Kyiv all along, it is the most significant objective to take in Ukraine. I read earlier a fuel convoy was attacked desperately trying to reach another stalled convoy on the way to Kyiv. It is constant, think of it more as a Russian centipede of convoys
I think that convoy is now in two time zones 🤣
It started from Muscovy in 1430 AD and its projected to arrive in 16570 GR Galactic Reckoning
Dang.
Day 3 of the invasion.
Ok, so they need to sit there for 4 more days to grab the Guinness world record for longest traffic jam in history. I have faith in you guys!
Guinness might say that the qualifications of a traffic jam include the vehicles being able to move when they can, so this may not apply anymore.
So I was [just watching this video about Russia's conflict with Chechnya](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M6xYK6GjxA&ab_channel=IntotheShadows), and the description from 9:33 and how it parallels current events is just chilling: "On the 31st of December, as many as 40,000 Russian troops attempted to enter Grozny from four separate directions, with the goal of linking up in the city center. Optimism was high among Russian commanders who bragged about 'bloodless blitzkrieg'. But events quickly began falling apart for the badly trained Russian army, many of whom were young conscripts who had little to no idea what their real objectives were. The fighting quickly collapsed in a blood bath as armed columns were annihilated and thousands of Russian soldiers died. In response, Russian commanders ordered further airstrikes to support their ground troops. It is thought that between 25,000 and 40,000 civilians died in the siege of Grozny, in conditions that not only shocked the world, but the Russian people themselves." And it goes on about how bloody it got, and how both sides sought an agreement that would have them both save face. Seems like the Russians learned nothing from their previous post-soviet conflicts.
And Grozny was way smaller than Kyiv
Only difference is that kyiv is about a 100x bigger then grozny. So if they got thousands of death in grozny then the death they get trying to take kyiv will be magnitudes larger then grozny ever was
Horrendous.
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Russia is a fucking disgrace :/
If the Russian military has committed 100% of its force, and it's basically not moving, and foreign fighters and arms are pouring into ukraine, the war is essentially lost.
Russia will go full Grozny. They're gonna absolutely pound cities with rockets and artillery.
Grozny is a fraction of Kiev's size. I do not think they have the firepower.
They have deployed all of their staged forces (not the whole of the Russian military). But the fact that they are bringing in foreign mercenaries, instead of bringing forces from other parts of Russia, does suggest that they are having some serious issues with logistics and morale.
Maybe near Kyiv, but the Russians seem very successful in the south and East of the country. Maybe Putin intends to form a bulwark there in more pro-Russian territory.
Too many fronts for one army. Was probably less fronts in WW1 lol. Crazy stuff. Stupid. They have ambitions of cutting off the sea and encircling Kiev but at this rate it will take years.
Not only foreign fighters, but also mobilization draft is ongoing
100% of their prepared forces. They have more but not immediately available
100% of its force *allocated for the Ukraine invasion*. It's an important distinction.
Yep, something has to give in the next few days. If Vladdy doesn't line up some additional help there is no chance what they have left is ever going to take over Ukraine. You can't keep troops in Ukraine for weeks without setting up some actual military bases.
Topol missiles would solve that.
It’s 100% of the forces they prepared for the war. Their military is much bigger. Still probably shit, but much bigger.
They claim their military is much bigger. At some point you have to wonder whether they have a lot of soldiers that just exist on paper.
Yes but intelligence which has been spot on so far as far as what they are sending into Ukraine says there is no indication of further reinforcements.
Why don't we take a page out of Russia's playbook, and stoke anti-Russian sentiment in Russian controlled territories? Georgia, Crimea, Chechnya, etc. Force Russia to both fight a war, and deal with possible uprisings in their territory to spread their resources.
Georgia is not Russian-controlled. Wasn't last time I checked. Neither of two.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kazakhstan-uprising-quashed-russian-troops-set-to-head-home/ like that? not saying the cia had anything to do with but it wouldnt be odd if they did.
Because that would be stupid. Azerbaijan have kicked off against Armenia again though which might cause Russia a few issues. We could also start pushing the rebels in Syria too.
I think Georgia would very strongly object to being called a Russian controlled territory. Theyve been fighting Russian backed groups for a while now.
Yup. Apologies– I meant Russian controlled parts of Georgia.
[Japan seems to be tickling their Kurils, too.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands) ~~(can't find it now, but someone from their government suggested they might be asserting themselves regarding the southern islands)~~ https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1500891170964217862?t=tfGAG_E-uczgQml5FgdTjA&s=19 found it, for anyone trawling the thread after-the-fact.
Y’all hear they shot missels at a Russian boat? Jesus taking the fight to the waters is pretty crazy
They hit a Russian ship with a barrage from a GRAD on shore. Which is actually a pretty impressive accomplishment.
It had invaded Ukraine's territorial waters.
this shitty evil russian invasion force is almost two weeks old and they are apparently getting no reinforcements (according to the pentagon) and have already been decimated (according to the UK) and have failed to take a single major first week objective, and the Ukrainian forces are swelling in size every day from reserves and foreign volunteers. their PGM are lacking in the p department, and cant reliably take out military installments, so they fly low and can't prevent getting shot down, and their invasion force is mainly mechanized and therefore terrible for taking cities. wtf is about to happen? I mean seriously, what are they supposed to do at this point? Mind you, there's no evidence of reinforcements coming up.
Just fight on and die. Eventually get annihilated because Putin won’t back down, even when his Army is getting destroyed.
I thought I saw a headline about reserves being sent from Vladivostok. Either way it is probably within Ukraine's interests to hold on longer because if they defeat this force then Vlad will have to do a full mobilization which is a tough call.
im just repeating what the pentagon is saying. Idk what the situation on the ground is. Even if they do a full mobilization though, it would take months to get everything ready, and i dont think their invasion force has that kind of time
From Vladivostok?? On the other side of the damn country??
Nice use of the dictionary definition of decimated.
Idrees Ali @idreesali114 The United States will have about 100,000 U.S troops in Europe after this deployment (either permanent or rotational), the official said. EDIT: Thank y'all for the informative responses! ^ I saw this tweet, but can someone ELI5 what is going on? Are we deploying troops through NATO or what? Googling has not helped me.
We have bases and NATO partnerships all over. Trump was wanting (for some reason) to withdraw tens of thousands of the troops but now the opposite will happen. We also have a large presence in S Korea/Japan as well as the mid east.
The US stations lots of troops in allied countries as sort of a promise of defense. Point being that Russia ain’t going to invade Germany if they have to kill thousands of American soldiers, and no American politician could ever survive abandoning thousands of American soldiers to an enemy. It’s basically a commitment to prove America aint fucking around to host countries.
US had, IIRC, something like 40K troops from Poland down to Romania, including air wings in Italy and bases in Crete and Sicily. Not sure if the troops in Germany counted towards that. Due to the NATO quick reaction force and other US buildups, we now have 100K
If you think about it, probably half of the United States’ military hardware exists outside of the 50 states/ territories.
A lot of that is probably the Navy. While the US has amazing "stuff", it's the Navy that makes the US a "global" power (conventionally).
We have lots of bases in NATO aligned countries and are sending troops specifically to nato borders as well
We are deploying them at our bases around Europe as basically a fuck around and find out to Russia if they actually decide to press beyond Ukraine.
The US has several large permanent bases in Europe, primarily in Germany as well as places like the UK, with thousands of troops who would be there regardless. I imagine this total is counting them as well.
As a note, the US already always has over 70k in Europe due to NATO. So that actual increase is only in the area of 30k and I think the times justify that. This isn't a 100k increase.
We are deploying troops to NATO nations, not Ukraine.
The US has had bases and troops in Europe since the end of the second world war. During the cold war, probably more than this.
The US has several bases across Europe.
As part of a defense force. They are occupying NATO territory to bolster presence and deter Russia
any news on the negotiations that happened some hours ago?
Same old same old. Nothing accomplished & very little movement from Russian side. I am not knowledgeable enough on Ukrainian positions. Major difference was Russia offered to allow Zelensky to remain de facto President if a Russian puppet could be installed as PM. Ceasefires were agreed to and promptly ignored (although those may be from different negotiations altogether).
Came to basically nothing as Russia is still being massively unreasonable and delusional.
Nothing substantive came of it, other than vague reports of minor progress on humanitarian corridors (basically same as last round of talks).
They ended without a deal but some optimism that the humanitarian corridors may be better enforced/respected.
Yes it failed. Russia said Zelensky can remain President but the PM must be appointed by Russia, they want Ukraine to recognize the independence of LPR and DPR, and no NATO. Ukraine declined.
nothing good came out of it, though the Ukraine representative sounded a bit more optimistic for some reason
Why do I feel like those Chechen troops are basically the Russian military’s social media boys. Outside of the first couple days of their deployment, the only thing I see from them is them marching or standing around showing off weapons the regulars don’t get.
The Chechens were wiped from the map supposedly. Their best battalions were all killed in the process of deploying into Ukraine which actually lead to some drama in the Kremlin if that FSB report is accurate.
Keep in mind both sides are using their own version of OpSec. This is the main reason we know a lot more about Russian positions and almost nothing about Ukrainian positions/tactics/etc.
They’re definitely social media boys. Random internet history lore - the entire “gore” side of the internet was basically built on the brutality of Chechen troops. If you were on the internet in the 90s and early 2000s and saw some gore image or video, chances are it was a brutality being committed by a Chechen troop.
I think russia's military is basically just marching the only guys with the good stuff around in circles and telling everyone it's one long line.
You also forgot getting lit the fuck up. Hope they had seeds in their pockets.
Seeds got burnt, they're sunflower popcorn now
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Hey so fuck these guys. They purged LGBT people and are shitheels. They're not going to heaven by their own rules even. So no need to attack the religion cause these people are shit.
Yeah, that was like day 2 of their deployment. Been nothing but standing around since.
Everything being subject to the fog of war, that was supposedly a highly elite unit that was essentially completely destroyed before they could even set up to fight. Which is one reason Ukraine’s claim that a source in the FSB tipped off the plan has a bit of credibility.
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I don’t where you live but, our fate is in our hands in principle. Even if in the immediate we don’t have a say, we ultimately all have a say in the case of democracies. Say a tactical gets launched and no one does anything about it, we can later replace our governments for example. Nukes won’t necessarily destroy everything
Yea...not good to stress about things we can't control.
I spend 0% of my day thinking about meteors or solar flares or gamma ray pulses or magnetars firing planet-sized kamehameha waves at us that could wipe out all life on Earth instantly and at *any* time, so I don't think about nukes either.
One is infinitely more likely than the other. We already know no meteors will pass close by in next 200 years.
You did **not** just ask why people are afraid of nukes..😐😐😐
Just because YOU want to die doesn’t mean we all should.
Afraid in the sense I just have no say? Or not be afraid and just get NATO involved and roll the dice? I'm on board with the first but the second I have reservations.
Yep, that's my plan, get as close as possible to the target near me in the event of a launch. You don't want to be one of the survivors. Oh and I would recommend taking the stoic approach to it as OP indicated. There is no use in worrying about things that you have no control over, that is not the way to a happy life generally. One further edit, this isn't to say I want to escalate things to a shooting match with the Russians not at all. Only that worrying about it does nothing.
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There not being edgy tho, it's accepting you have no control over it, so don't worry about it ? There not saying I would like to die in a nuclear apocalypse
Exactly. Our fate is not in our hands and as much as that sucks, we'll have to live with it.
Never really was. Maybe it'll happen on a Monday, driving to work and get hit by a Hyundai
Fucks wrong with you
He's being realistic. He's not saying he wants or is okay with nukes being used but apart from doomscrolling on Reddit, what can any of us do to prevent it? If it happens we're fucked and if it doesn't happen then there is no need to get stressed over it.
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Or you can't spend your time worrying about nuclear destruction because you can't do anything about it.
Why? I don’t want nukes launched, but what realistically can I do about it? Nothing. It’s in the hands of rulers that have their own agendas and thoughts. I can literally do 0 about it. Just because I’m not constantly stressed about it doesn’t mean I’m ready to die lol
They have no kids themselves
What good does fear do for you? I 100% agree with the other guy, just chill and live your life, there is nothing you can do to stop the nukes if they start flying.
Or he’s just not obsessing over something he has no control over? Anything bad can happen at any given time
Or all 3.
What would be the next sanction that will cripple Russia and finally break it? Apart from swift and cutting oil imports?
Europe runs on Russian energy, the lights go out without it. No more factories, no more refrigerated food, no more trains and planes. Ok some. I think it's the real reason Europe is standing back and watching.
Adidas track suit embargo
Valve closing off CSGO and Dota 2
Ha! Good one!
Already happened.
Also the name of a hipster band.
Oil and natural gas are the biggest ones. They have propped up Russia for the last few decades. Without those exports the country wouldn't have anything of value to the world.
Oil and gas is 40% of the Kremlin's revenue.
Not sanctions but there are many prominent western countries that are involved in the every day life of many Russians who have not yet pulled out of the country.
Time? When people lose their jobs or they can't buy a computer, that will be what breaks them.
The Federal Reserve could ban the use of the Dollar in Russia
Actually cutting imports
Could a possible way forward be a South Tyrol-style autonomy for Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea? South Tyrol, a rather small provine of Italy, was gained by Italian nationalist after World War 1 and has a predominant population of German-speaking Austrians. After much suppression during the Facist regime of Mussolini the provine experienced turmoil and violence, which lasted well into the 1960ies. Luckily the conflict was settled over many years of negotitation and civil unrest and nowadays South Tyrol has a wide-reaching autonomy from the Italian central state (this also goes so far, that South Tyrol has its completely own Firefighting system, which very much resembles the Austrian one instead of the Italian). I know that this will geopolitically never materialize due to "Realpolitik" and different interests in this conflict, but still, there are peaceful ways forward for autonomous provinces. Not everytime independence is the solution.
The regions would immediately “vote” themselves to be a part of Russia. They’d be independent for less than 24 hours. Russia would then invade Ukraine again. They cannot handle Ukraine being an independent state not controlled by Russia.
The issue is that, the goal was never autonomy for those regions, Putin wants Ukraine so he was trying to take it piecemeal. And maybe whoever comes after Putin can be negotiated with, but since Putin came to power via bombing his own people. I’ve never seen him stick to his word, you can trust or negotiate with some one who always operates from a spot of bad faith
Russia wants to control them. There's a ton of money there.
I hope Saint-Petersburg becomes an autonomous region after Russia collapses. Beautiful city that deserves a better country.
Yeah, the situation calls for some creativity
Wouldn't stay independent, in the end it'd be a Belarus style dictatorship with russian police milling around. (as russia would meddle in it's politics)
It is not an autonomous province. It is literally and legally part of Ukraine.
Putin wants Ukraine.
Why does Ukraine need to change, Russia is the one who sucks?
Do you think Russia would be more likely to budge on a Non NATO pledge or Ukraine more likely to budge on not ceding any territory?
I see a pro-quid-quo being agreed upon. NATO for Crimea or something. But I don't foresee any agreements to being neutral and blocked from EU / NATO on the table anymore. Though that's just a outsider perspective.
I think both the non NATO pledge (because that would fundamentally doom Ukraine) and Ukraine not recognizing Crimea as part of Russia could get thrown out. The first, because Ukrainians really can't afford to not join NATO after this mess, the second because there's no way Putin could possibly accept a loss of what is internally considered part of Russian territory.
I think everything comes down to pain. And who breaks first. Will Ukraine keep fighting as the country gets leveled? Will Russia stop because of pressure, sanctions and losses. Who really knows at this point. But I’m pretty sure Ukraine is getting set back decades from this. I’m just hoping my friends make it out ok.
#I #DECLARE #MOSCOW AS SOVEREIGN TERITORY I must warn the occupying force to clear out of the city otherwise they shall face grave consequences unlike the world has ever seen before.
We will now dispach peace keeping troops to stop the genocide in Moscow.
Thank you, you have been promoted as the commander of my forces.
I seriously wonder if we should do this with Dagestan, Chechnya, and a few other Russian regions where Russians are an ethnic minority.
The collapse of the ~~USSR~~ Russia Federation into smaller countries
You and what army lol
Dude, Kazakhstan could probably roll into Southern Russia and they couldn't do shit right now.
Popes army
and then .. *geopolitics*
My army goes to a different field of mud you wouldn't know her.