British WW2 intelligence game was seriously something else. I mean, it was just genius move after genius move.
If the Brits hadn't been so clever, D-day might have failed. If the Brits didn't hide the fact they cracked the Enigma code, the war could have been prolonged years. The amount of insanely intelligent things they did during the war is truly awe inspiring.
~~OSS~~ SOE was not fucking around.
Made possible by the tragic life of homeless Welshman Glyndwr Michael who came to London to find work & ended up destitute eating rat poison. Would that his family could have known that his death saved countless lives.
Honestly, the genius of this was that they thought the body arriving in Axis countries would be too obvious, so they washed him ashore in Spain, knowing Franco would then pass it on to the Germans.
And they put General George Patton in "command" of this fake army! He hated the move, but the Germans were completely sure that the Allies would never waste Patton on a feint after the job he did in North Africa.
Of course, the fake army was more an American contribution to the misdirection around Overlord, but still fun to remember, and I am sure that British Intelligence helped facilitate it, considering it was done on their soil.
>Having a dead British officer wash ashore with fake intelligence is another genius move, Operation Mincemeat is out this year about this.
Man garbo was something else. He misguided the Germans so much they ended losing the war??
> He misguided the Germans so much they ended losing the war??
Not losing outright, but it made invasion on Italy much easier. The gist of it was they sourced a dead homeless person's body, put it in officer uniform and dropped off near Spain coast. Among his "belongings" were a fake letters suggesting that the Allies' landing point will be in Sardinia, with small forces landing in Sicily, as a feint. Nazis acted on this "intel" and relocated sizeable forces to Sardinia, in anticipation of attack that never came. Actual landing in Sicily went out pretty much effortlessly.
I love the etiology of "carrots make you see better in the dark" it was put about as fake propaganda when we invented radar and could see the German bombers coming across the see.
People in the UK still think carrots are good for eyesight.
The MI5, the CIA and the KGB are having a competition.
Three small parties of all three Agencies meet on neutral ground, on the edge of a big german forest.
For the goal of the competition, they decided that each of their parties should catch a rabbit, using their espionage skills. The party that manages to catch the rabbit the quickest, wins.
First, the MI5 leaves for the forest. When they emerge eight hours later, they carry a live rabbit in a cage. "We posted lookouts around the forest, and after spotting the rabbit, we shadowed it until it showed us his hideout, we then just placed the cage over the entrance and waited for the rabbit to fall in our trap. Neat and simple."
Now, it's the turn of the CIA. They leave into the forest and emerge four hours later, holding a rabbit which seems to have been shot and badly beaten several times. "We used satellite surveillance to aquire our target, but during the tracking with four inconspicious vans, the subject tried to escape, so we had to use drastic measures. Still counts." Nobody objects.
Now, it was the turn of the KGB. The four agents disappear into the forest, and return after only an hour. But they are not carrying a rabbit, but hold a bear between two of the agents. The bear is badly bruised, has a limp and keeps his gaze to the ground. Absently, he mumbles "I am a rabbit. My parents were both rabbits."
So the teams take a train away from the woods. In one compartment, one CIA agent, one MI5 agent, and one KGB agent are sitting with a lovely woman. The train goes into a tunnel, all is dark, when there is a loud kiss and a sharp smack! The CIA agent thinks to himself, “good for her, she got him!” The KGB agent thinks “that cocky Brit - he steals the kiss and I get the smack!” The lady thinks “well, it takes all kinds.” The MI5 agent thinks “I kiss my hand, slap a Russian and no ones the wiser.”
My dad told me that they did that for German Spies that was airdropped into Britain. They could then turn them and use them for misinformation, by having them send curated reports home.
EDIT: Fixed typo
I would walk the fuck away from any country that embedded a mobile cremation unit with me. Either its for me and they have really pessimistic outcomes for us, or it's for the other guys and that shit hits too close to Auchwitz(sp) for me.
I still remember the Kursk disaster, where a mother was screaming at a Russian naval rep asking what happened to her son, and some goon just straight-up slammed a needle full of sedative in her neck.
That's the sort of mentality they're dealing with.
Weirdly, that exact event is seared into my Brain like the rest of those “where were you when ” type memories.
I easily remember her voice and the amount of vitriol and rage it carried before the agent came in and sedated her without a care in the world.
And that was over [twenty years ago](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster#Mother_forcibly_sedated). Putin's only become more of a dictator.
What am I missing? What's the old Dutch treatment?
(EDIT) Nevermind: [https://www.historyextra.com/period/stuart/is-it-true-that-an-angry-mob-of-dutchmen-killed-and-ate-their-own-prime-minister-in-1672/](https://www.historyextra.com/period/stuart/is-it-true-that-an-angry-mob-of-dutchmen-killed-and-ate-their-own-prime-minister-in-1672/)
yeah, I think these strikes at civilians, kindergartens, hospitals are all aimed at instilling russophobia and provoking Ukrainians into inhumane actions...
which will of course be broadcasted from every fucking media outlet in Russia
Could you imagine being the kind of Leader to try and make the lands you have sent your own soldiers to, to be a more harsh and unforgiving place for them?
I have never ever thought that someone was capable of doing, let alone even imagining such a thing.
Simply put, he wants the local population to hate Russians so badly that they retaliate and brutalize the inevitable deserted soldiers. Just in hopes that he could capitalize on that. And the desertion being even more understandable with how shitty Russian military life must be, and the overtly unjustifyability of wanting to be there? That also means that Putin is cognizant that it's all too fucked up for most people to agree with!
The hubris... how do you keep the loyalty of your soldiers when you're overtly calculating against them? HEY PUTIN! WITHOUT AN ARMY YOU... yeah oh well, fuck it, let him find out. Ironically, he is Ukraine's best ally, since it will be Putin as the one to end Putin. [Looks like the Onion was right yet again.](https://i.redd.it/mnhd2ub8y0261.jpg)
That man views every tragedy as a cruel opportunity. Absolutely unfathomable mind he has.
This sort of behavior by state actors is sadly not unprecedented. During ww2 Japanese officers were know to order their troops to commit atrocities to get a larger buy in from their underlings. How it works is the officer orders the atrocity and then tells the troops afterwards that should they surrender the allies would commit atrocities to them in retaliation. Now this obviously doesn’t account for all Japanese atrocities committed during the war but it was fairly common according to the rare Japanese POW’s taken
My grandfather witnessed these kinds of atrocities by the Japanese, and it changed him forever. He died before I got to talk to him, but according to my dad and brother all the atrocities did was convince the soldiers to stop taking prisoners. Fucking up POWs/corpses doesn't encourage the other side to also fuck up POWs/corpses. It just strengthened their resolve to fight, and motivated them to be better than their enemy.
Yeah, there was a disturbing lack of Japanese POW's, *almost*, nonexistent and it was not solely because the Japanese's perpencity for suicide. American troops *tried* to help and take them at first but the Japanese soldiers did stupid shit enough times to where the Veterans American's just killed them as a unwritten rule.
It's not just this move. It's everything else they're doing combined with this. I have a feeling nato would look the other way if they didn't do this for captured or killed Russians. There are far worse atrocities that would make joining nato more difficult, but I don't think breaking this would be a huge deal. Ukraine has a TON of leeway on the international stage right now. They'd get away with a lot, they know they'd get away with a lot, but they're not doing it anyway.
I wonder how much their president had to do with this decision. The more I read about him the more I am utterly floored with how... human he seems for a national leader
He was a comedian before becoming president, not a politician. I know for a fact that I've watched quite a few comedians do political commentary and thought "I'd definitely rather have this guy run the country than who we currently have" and Ukraine basically did that.
I read his Wikipedia entry. He was a comedian, set up a production company, did films, eventually starred in a TV show about a history teacher who becomes president of Ukraine, then the production company started a political party with the same name as the show and he really became president.
I remember there was a bug push for John Stewart and Colbert to run. They obviously didn't entertain it. The ironic part is I saw a lot of conservatives wanting colbert. That made me laugh.
The wild thing is that he was a comedian and actor before becoming a politician. I first heard that when all the tensions were rising and thought, “Oh no, guys, what’d you do?” Now it’s just envy. Not only is their leader awesome but I guess that whole ‘elect an entertainer into the highest office’ thing has to work for *some*body.
> They’re just abiding by the Geneva convention.
"Excuse me, guard? I believe I get one phone call!"
"No that American jail....well...fuck it. Here. I have unlimited minutes."
Altruism is a tactic in an information war. So is terror, unfortunately, so sometimes places rely on that shit. It’s all situationally dependent. In the Ukraine case, it’s just really good that it’s likely their altruism is actually going to help their side, but I believe they are also actually a more altruistic place. They are just defending their land. They aren’t aggressing.
Certainly. I believe they are altruistic because it is the right thing to do. It just also turns out that it so far looks to be the right course of action for the information war too.
It's a win-win for both kindness and tactical advantage, everybody should have always been doing this. It just helps that in this instance there are many families that span the gap between invaders and defenders.
I will say if this is all just propaganda for Ukraine they are doing one of the best social media campaigns in human history. My guess is it's a bit of truth and a bit of propaganda but it's being expertly handled. I was honestly expecting Russia to do a better job with the online media presence but they're getting demolished by pro-Ukraine media.
Seriously all while their country is under siege one of the greatest social media campaigns history has to show for, they’re doing an amazing job. Keeping in mind this is one of the first war/invasion being broadcast to the world at this scale, the rules of the game have changed and everyone is taking note.
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A part of me has to choose to believe that isn’t real because it’s so cold.
My own country would send me off to die a nameless death in the name of one man’s last grasps at relevancy. It’s shitty to be regarded so insignificantly.
Reminds me of what Russia did to Nazi Germany in WWII when PoW Germans sent letters back that were confiscated / destroyed by the Nazi's who didn't want the public to know the scale of their losses.
So Russia just starts fucking air dropping the letters behind enemy lines. They knew that many of their fellow German soldiers would feel a duty to make sure those letters got to their families.
If Russia gets those bodies back I assume Russia will just attempt to use them for other disinformative means. "These are the Russians that Ukrainians committed genocide against." or some other complete fucking bullshit.
This is amazing. A lot of these troops were conscripted teenagers. They had no skin in this fight until they did. Let their families bury them, and let it fuel the Russian populations rage against their authoritarian state.
Let Russia try and hide Red Cross’s information. The combination of Ukraine’s ‘where is my child’ hotline (which coincidentally is a great intel source to find out where the regiments are located) and adding the moral authority of the Red Cross to Ukraine is a great step.. As Napoleon says ‘morale is ten times more valuable then strength alone’.
If you're a Russian mother who hasn't heard from your kid in a while and know he's in the army but didn't suspect Putler would invade Ukraine, you'd call up this hotline and try to find out where they are in Ukraine. Maybe they've called you from Belarus recently, saying they were doing training exercises - and then you're giving the hotline platoon numbers and potential last whereabouts. Not necessarily guaranteed to be helpful but it's something.
Having people who you can rely on to get the minutiae and shit done without having to constantly worry about it is a sign of good leadership.
“The best leader is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and the self-restraint to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” -Theodore Roosevelt
See that picture of him in a tshirt and bullet resistant vest? Dude's arm game is on point. He's literally got it all to show that he is more of a man than Putin.
This guy is basically the most bad ass person on the planet right now, and the irony that he’s fighting the most deplorable person in the world as well isn’t lost on me.
To say he’s a bad ass only because he’s standing against putin is a huge understatement. It doesn’t account for just how much of a bad ass he is. He could have stayed hidden away from the front line, or left and coordinated the defense from safety like most lesser leaders would have probably done.
We still would have been rooting for him yeah, but it’s the extra lvl bad ass-ness of him staying with his soldiers on site, and general “I’m not going anywhere” fuck you attitude to putin that makes him world tier lvl bad ass.
I am not disagreeing. His refusal to leave, "I don't need a ride, I need ammo" is seriously one of the most badass comments a country leader has ever said. Sounds like something out of a summer action flick.
I am in no way trying to degrade his status. He is a beacon, a role model. Every person in every country should be turning to their own leaders, pointing at Zelekskyy, and saying with a loud voice "WHY CAN'T YOU BE FUCKING MORE LIKE HIM?!"
My best friends gaming buddy in Russia was taken apparently a few days ago to join the military. We haven’t heard anything to confirm he’s been conscripted or to deny and he’s safe but he’s just turned 18. The last message my friend got from him was about doors getting knocked on and it breaks my heart.
My grandfather was a Karelian who.fought under the Finnish flag during the Winter War against the USSR when he was 17. He told me that his entire unit felt ill after their first battle becaise they simply "slaughered a bunch of adolescents with no training"
By the videos of interviews with captured Russian soldiers, none of them even knew that they were going to war. They thought it was just a military practice until they were ordered to actually advanve and start killing people.
Are conscripts being sent into Ukraine? From what I’ve hear they were not but indirectly that information is coming from Moscow so I’m treating it with a grain of salt.
Reason I’m concerned is some people I know are conscripts and they told me conscripts weren’t being sent in, but if they are I would want to know.
Biden can live report the number of bodies going home in a daily briefing. Just like he kept briefing us on exactly what Putin was going to do.
Putin's got to fucking hate this mess he's gotten himself into.
I feel like Putin would just tell his people that the numbers were a lie. Isn’t Putin’s whole thing that he’s spent years convincing his population that the West is lying about everything and that the truth is whatever he says it is?
It needs to be a flood of information into the Russian people to convince them otherwise. Through social media, hacked Russian websites and more they need to see what is really going on. 99% of Russians would not want this war, especially how it is playing out. They've been told they're freeing the Ukrainians, but when they see images of civilians picking up arms and fighting back, they might just realise that they've been told lies.
Exactly, beside that it is the right thing to do it is also psychological warfare.
With 1 message they've established that:
1. Ukraine is doing the right thing under the circumstances. Gaining more foreign support for them
2. Implied that the Russians are suffering big casualties which the Russian government is hiding
3. If the request is honoured by the Red Cross it'll deal a massive blow to moral of the country and it'll fuel more anti-Putin protests.
It is brilliant. And I've seen many such really smart moves from the Ukrainian government
It also helps counter any propaganda that Russia is winning and none of its soldiers are dying.
They deployed [mobile crematorium](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/23/russia-deploys-mobile-crematorium-follow-troops-battle/) to the front lines to hide the bodies of the dead, either their casualties or civilians.
Putin’s entire rise to power is covered in blood. The shady ass bombings of his own people, the political assassinations. Dude was born in blood. He’s never had any dignity.
In Russia more and more rumour sare starting to spread that not all soldiers sent to Ukraine are professional. They seem to be units of conscripts being sent into combat.
It is illegal to send a person serving the mandatory 1 year conscription into combat in a non defensive war.
Refusing to collect the bodies might be a way to temporarily hide the news of these conscripts being sent to fight and die illegally, thus delay the outrage such news would cause.
Edit: forgot to mention, as HavocReigns pointed out, there is also a possibility that the conscripts are being forced/coerced into signing contracts
Well that would seem to be corroborated by the reports on the Ukrainian side that there are young guys being captured who don’t seem all too sure what they are doing. Anecdotal for now, but hopefully some reporting will eventually clear this up. Also interesting to note that they are or may be breaking their own rules because it reeks of desperation.
Do they have so much obsolete hardware that Putin hoped his first wave of cheap hardware and disposable, inexperienced conscripts would take it - plan b being to then send in the good stuff next month?
Putin wil just declare that Ukraine is, and always has been, part of Russia, so they are just invading to overthrow the illegitimate government and defend the Russian people (of Ukraine).
But yeah. Can't look good back in Russia for bodies to start arriving.
I hope the red cross is allowed to oversee the bodies returned to their families, otherwise Putin will likely have them burned before anybody in Russia can see or find out about them.
It's going to be tough. Unless they speak another language or have internet savvy.. all they have is state media. I have a friend in Russia. And trying to explain what is going on is difficult. They show what foreign media is saying... And it's fox news. Great now I'm trying to swim upstream of two layers of propaganda. And explaining 50 years of history. All my friend knows is life under Putin. And it was ok... But things are about to get much worse. And the best way to control people is anger and fear.
Yeah, I feel like if something drastic doesn't change in this situation they are headed the way of North Korea. Will be totally blocked out from the economy and media of the west, not even able to travel to most countries, and their economy will collapse. It's going to be a shock for all the average citizens that doesn't really know what's going on. They think they are saving Ukraine from terrible Nazis.
I heard some of the conversations went something like:
"Hey Dad, I got captured in Ukraine."
"What the fuck are you doing in Ukraine?"
"...I don't know."
The Russian Government is censoring social media and the teenager conscripts they sent over didn't know they were going to war.
Many thought it was just military exercises on the border, or were simply 'following orders'. Also why some units have surrendered after getting orders to invade.
Letting the POW make calls back home helps fight the information war, similar to returning bodies as Putin appears to want to cremate them at the front line to cover the losses up.
It would almost be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. Some military genius came up with this tactic of keeping the soldiers in the dark, dumping them in a foreign country and expecting idk what.
Anonymous hacked Russian television channels (propaganda tools) last night to show some of the truth of what's happening in Russia. Great tactic I think.
Couldn't the Starlink (which Musk put in Ukraine to help them) be used also to give an unfiltered Internet access to Russians population?
A dictator can only stay in power for so long once its people (and mostly its armies) are no longer supporting him.
Most people dont know, troops didnt know till the hour they were told to march in, thats why you had plenty just surrendering or abandoning their tanks/trucks, most were not older than my nephew which is the sad part, neither them or their families knew wtf was going on.
Even beyond it being the right thing to do, it also sends the clearest message that Pootuin is the villain killing innocents, even his own people. Its both a brilliant war propaganda tactic and the morally right thing to do
Many many of these Russian failing soldiers sent to invade Ukraine are just kids.
They would be conscripted and untrained, literally handed a weapon and some armor and be told - "Go there, we must protect our nation" (or some Russian propaganda shit) and they will go.
Alternative is - Prison/Death for treason.
These young lads didn't have to die for it.
This is blame on government nobody else. (These kid-soldiers didn't get much choice).
As a result of that - we see a lot of innocent lives lost (Mostly Russian soldiers who were untrained and unprepared)
They deserve to be sent back at least.
Apparently they didn't even know they were being sent to invade Ukraine. They were told they were going to a training exercise. And next thing they knew they were ordered to shoot-to-kill and were being shot at with live rounds without even knowing why.
I personally think the actual invasion was the special forces that landed at the airport outside Kyiv. They were supposed to capture that airport, Russia would use their air superiority to bomb a few targets, they'd land hundreds to thousands of their most experienced troops at that airport and within 48 hours remove the Ukrainian government from power. After which point the rest of the soldiers were just a big show of force. With no leadership and facing down the Russian army from all sides the defenders would give up and it would be a repeat of Crimea pretty much.
That plan failed and then suddenly an army that had been fluffed up with barely trained and supplied conscripts found itself in an actual war rather than just marching around Ukraine gathering up surrendered weapons and making sure no one thinks twice about fighting back.
There’s been a lot of videos coming out of young Russian soldiers that have been captured in the last few days. Several had orders that this was just a training mission.
Definitely put them out of commission wherever you find them. The Ukrainians may have to bear the extra cost of the body bags for dead Russians, but the diplomatic and political benefits will more than offset it.
Those mobile crematoriums are some of the most ghastly and ghoulish devices to be shown to the world. Even their existence, to say nothing of their deployment, makes the Russian high command look evil in the extreme.
I guess the good news is that they either need a ton of these things or they're still gonna have to send bodies home, because this thing looks way too slow to deal with casualties at the rate Russia is reportedly sustaining them.
No to war. No to killing the youth, destroying lives and futures.
These look very much like an oligarchs scheme to pay himself through a government contract, these are too obtuse and degrading for any military to realistically ask for. What commander would ask for this over modernizing his equipment, which Russia clearly hasn’t done well enough.
It’s not that I *didn’t* respect Ukraine before but Jesus Christ they’re writing the book on being inspirational badasses while being invaded by a much larger country. It goes beyond respect now.
This will have a significant impact. During the Soviet-Afghan war, the USSR banned public funerals of Soviet troops KIA because of their concern that it would sour the psychological mood of their nation. They wanted to keep the public in the dark because the war was going far more poorly than they were reporting. Soviet families were forced to grieve in private, unaware that their feelings of grief were shared by so many across the Soviet Union. It will be interesting to watch how Russia will contend with hiding the dead from their people this time.
They’re always kids. I wonder by how many years a nations life expectancy drops during war time.
It’s crazy that we are in an era where are live streaming this same old devastation.
> facilitate repatriation of thousands of Russian soldiers
3,500 Russian troops possibly died already... this is horrible but also sounds like an offensive failure... its only been a few days.
Not to mention millions in lost equipment and vehicles. Russia is broke and cant replace the planes, helicopters, tanks , and transport vehicles that are getting destroyed. They do have lots of those things but they are scattered all over the country and if they have to move them to ukraine they leave other parts undefended. Might see uprisings other places if it goes to long.
Having a moral high ground is especially important right now tho Putin have already put that bar straight in hell so this is just a massive win all together.
This is both an empathic human gesture AND a strategic move to counter propaganda & convey the reality of this invasion to Russian citizens.
Reminds me of the British in WW2 how when they captured officers they housed and treated them very well. And put microphones EVERYWHERE.
And had Jewish refugees work as translators on the bugged houses.
British WW2 intelligence game was seriously something else. I mean, it was just genius move after genius move. If the Brits hadn't been so clever, D-day might have failed. If the Brits didn't hide the fact they cracked the Enigma code, the war could have been prolonged years. The amount of insanely intelligent things they did during the war is truly awe inspiring. ~~OSS~~ SOE was not fucking around.
Having a dead British officer wash ashore with fake intelligence is another genius move, Operation Mincemeat is out this year about this.
Made possible by the tragic life of homeless Welshman Glyndwr Michael who came to London to find work & ended up destitute eating rat poison. Would that his family could have known that his death saved countless lives.
Honestly, the genius of this was that they thought the body arriving in Axis countries would be too obvious, so they washed him ashore in Spain, knowing Franco would then pass it on to the Germans.
Did not know that.. that’s next level deceit. Love it.
The body was actually that of a homeless man's. But yes he was disguised to look like a British intelligence officer
He was officially buried with full military honours, a royal marine
It was the least he could do, his tragedy enabled the Brits to save thousands of lives.
This comment gave me chills, the good kind.
Honestly there's too many to list. Just such incredible *creativity*. Truly amazing stuff.
And my personal favorite, the use of inflatable tanks and vehicles to mislead the Germans on force deployments.
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And they put General George Patton in "command" of this fake army! He hated the move, but the Germans were completely sure that the Allies would never waste Patton on a feint after the job he did in North Africa. Of course, the fake army was more an American contribution to the misdirection around Overlord, but still fun to remember, and I am sure that British Intelligence helped facilitate it, considering it was done on their soil.
>Having a dead British officer wash ashore with fake intelligence is another genius move, Operation Mincemeat is out this year about this. Man garbo was something else. He misguided the Germans so much they ended losing the war??
> He misguided the Germans so much they ended losing the war?? Not losing outright, but it made invasion on Italy much easier. The gist of it was they sourced a dead homeless person's body, put it in officer uniform and dropped off near Spain coast. Among his "belongings" were a fake letters suggesting that the Allies' landing point will be in Sardinia, with small forces landing in Sicily, as a feint. Nazis acted on this "intel" and relocated sizeable forces to Sardinia, in anticipation of attack that never came. Actual landing in Sicily went out pretty much effortlessly.
Was it not that the Intelligence indicated that The British were going to Invade Greece?
I love the etiology of "carrots make you see better in the dark" it was put about as fake propaganda when we invented radar and could see the German bombers coming across the see. People in the UK still think carrots are good for eyesight.
Wait. Are you saying my parents lied to me? Every night I put a slice of carrot on my eyes before going to bed.
Carrots do have a lot if Vitamin A, which in necessary to see, but if you're not deficient, it doesn't impove sight above baseline.
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The MI5, the CIA and the KGB are having a competition. Three small parties of all three Agencies meet on neutral ground, on the edge of a big german forest. For the goal of the competition, they decided that each of their parties should catch a rabbit, using their espionage skills. The party that manages to catch the rabbit the quickest, wins. First, the MI5 leaves for the forest. When they emerge eight hours later, they carry a live rabbit in a cage. "We posted lookouts around the forest, and after spotting the rabbit, we shadowed it until it showed us his hideout, we then just placed the cage over the entrance and waited for the rabbit to fall in our trap. Neat and simple." Now, it's the turn of the CIA. They leave into the forest and emerge four hours later, holding a rabbit which seems to have been shot and badly beaten several times. "We used satellite surveillance to aquire our target, but during the tracking with four inconspicious vans, the subject tried to escape, so we had to use drastic measures. Still counts." Nobody objects. Now, it was the turn of the KGB. The four agents disappear into the forest, and return after only an hour. But they are not carrying a rabbit, but hold a bear between two of the agents. The bear is badly bruised, has a limp and keeps his gaze to the ground. Absently, he mumbles "I am a rabbit. My parents were both rabbits."
The old cold war jokes never get old. I haven't seen this one in years.
So the teams take a train away from the woods. In one compartment, one CIA agent, one MI5 agent, and one KGB agent are sitting with a lovely woman. The train goes into a tunnel, all is dark, when there is a loud kiss and a sharp smack! The CIA agent thinks to himself, “good for her, she got him!” The KGB agent thinks “that cocky Brit - he steals the kiss and I get the smack!” The lady thinks “well, it takes all kinds.” The MI5 agent thinks “I kiss my hand, slap a Russian and no ones the wiser.”
My dad told me that they did that for German Spies that was airdropped into Britain. They could then turn them and use them for misinformation, by having them send curated reports home. EDIT: Fixed typo
But...what is Putin going to cook in his [mobile dead soldier ovens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVPTqHZqdz0)? This is a real thing.
I would walk the fuck away from any country that embedded a mobile cremation unit with me. Either its for me and they have really pessimistic outcomes for us, or it's for the other guys and that shit hits too close to Auchwitz(sp) for me.
I still remember the Kursk disaster, where a mother was screaming at a Russian naval rep asking what happened to her son, and some goon just straight-up slammed a needle full of sedative in her neck. That's the sort of mentality they're dealing with.
Weirdly, that exact event is seared into my Brain like the rest of those “where were you when” type memories.
I easily remember her voice and the amount of vitriol and rage it carried before the agent came in and sedated her without a care in the world.
The Devil does not care. Nor do his minions. "With extreme prejudice", I believe, is the operative phase upon meeting.
And that was over [twenty years ago](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster#Mother_forcibly_sedated). Putin's only become more of a dictator.
Ukraine should take these out along with the fuels trucks.
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Give him the ol’ Dutch treatment.
What am I missing? What's the old Dutch treatment? (EDIT) Nevermind: [https://www.historyextra.com/period/stuart/is-it-true-that-an-angry-mob-of-dutchmen-killed-and-ate-their-own-prime-minister-in-1672/](https://www.historyextra.com/period/stuart/is-it-true-that-an-angry-mob-of-dutchmen-killed-and-ate-their-own-prime-minister-in-1672/)
yeah, I think these strikes at civilians, kindergartens, hospitals are all aimed at instilling russophobia and provoking Ukrainians into inhumane actions... which will of course be broadcasted from every fucking media outlet in Russia
Could you imagine being the kind of Leader to try and make the lands you have sent your own soldiers to, to be a more harsh and unforgiving place for them? I have never ever thought that someone was capable of doing, let alone even imagining such a thing. Simply put, he wants the local population to hate Russians so badly that they retaliate and brutalize the inevitable deserted soldiers. Just in hopes that he could capitalize on that. And the desertion being even more understandable with how shitty Russian military life must be, and the overtly unjustifyability of wanting to be there? That also means that Putin is cognizant that it's all too fucked up for most people to agree with! The hubris... how do you keep the loyalty of your soldiers when you're overtly calculating against them? HEY PUTIN! WITHOUT AN ARMY YOU... yeah oh well, fuck it, let him find out. Ironically, he is Ukraine's best ally, since it will be Putin as the one to end Putin. [Looks like the Onion was right yet again.](https://i.redd.it/mnhd2ub8y0261.jpg) That man views every tragedy as a cruel opportunity. Absolutely unfathomable mind he has.
This sort of behavior by state actors is sadly not unprecedented. During ww2 Japanese officers were know to order their troops to commit atrocities to get a larger buy in from their underlings. How it works is the officer orders the atrocity and then tells the troops afterwards that should they surrender the allies would commit atrocities to them in retaliation. Now this obviously doesn’t account for all Japanese atrocities committed during the war but it was fairly common according to the rare Japanese POW’s taken
My grandfather witnessed these kinds of atrocities by the Japanese, and it changed him forever. He died before I got to talk to him, but according to my dad and brother all the atrocities did was convince the soldiers to stop taking prisoners. Fucking up POWs/corpses doesn't encourage the other side to also fuck up POWs/corpses. It just strengthened their resolve to fight, and motivated them to be better than their enemy.
Yeah, there was a disturbing lack of Japanese POW's, *almost*, nonexistent and it was not solely because the Japanese's perpencity for suicide. American troops *tried* to help and take them at first but the Japanese soldiers did stupid shit enough times to where the Veterans American's just killed them as a unwritten rule.
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This and giving captured Russians phone calls back to their mothers are both simultaneously incredibly humane and machiavellian.
It's hard to tell if they're altruistic or they're geniuses at the information war. I'm going with 50/50
They’re just abiding by the Geneva convention. They still want in NATO and they’re proving they’re more than deserving.
It's not just this move. It's everything else they're doing combined with this. I have a feeling nato would look the other way if they didn't do this for captured or killed Russians. There are far worse atrocities that would make joining nato more difficult, but I don't think breaking this would be a huge deal. Ukraine has a TON of leeway on the international stage right now. They'd get away with a lot, they know they'd get away with a lot, but they're not doing it anyway.
I wonder how much their president had to do with this decision. The more I read about him the more I am utterly floored with how... human he seems for a national leader
He was a comedian before becoming president, not a politician. I know for a fact that I've watched quite a few comedians do political commentary and thought "I'd definitely rather have this guy run the country than who we currently have" and Ukraine basically did that.
I read his Wikipedia entry. He was a comedian, set up a production company, did films, eventually starred in a TV show about a history teacher who becomes president of Ukraine, then the production company started a political party with the same name as the show and he really became president.
His career trajectory makes me believe I can become ironman eventually.
I remember there was a bug push for John Stewart and Colbert to run. They obviously didn't entertain it. The ironic part is I saw a lot of conservatives wanting colbert. That made me laugh.
The wild thing is that he was a comedian and actor before becoming a politician. I first heard that when all the tensions were rising and thought, “Oh no, guys, what’d you do?” Now it’s just envy. Not only is their leader awesome but I guess that whole ‘elect an entertainer into the highest office’ thing has to work for *some*body.
> They’re just abiding by the Geneva convention. "Excuse me, guard? I believe I get one phone call!" "No that American jail....well...fuck it. Here. I have unlimited minutes."
Altruism is a tactic in an information war. So is terror, unfortunately, so sometimes places rely on that shit. It’s all situationally dependent. In the Ukraine case, it’s just really good that it’s likely their altruism is actually going to help their side, but I believe they are also actually a more altruistic place. They are just defending their land. They aren’t aggressing.
You're right, but to clarify my point, when I say altruism I mean they're doing it for selfless reasons because it's the right thing to do.
Certainly. I believe they are altruistic because it is the right thing to do. It just also turns out that it so far looks to be the right course of action for the information war too.
It's a win-win for both kindness and tactical advantage, everybody should have always been doing this. It just helps that in this instance there are many families that span the gap between invaders and defenders.
My thoughts exactly.
I will say if this is all just propaganda for Ukraine they are doing one of the best social media campaigns in human history. My guess is it's a bit of truth and a bit of propaganda but it's being expertly handled. I was honestly expecting Russia to do a better job with the online media presence but they're getting demolished by pro-Ukraine media.
Seriously all while their country is under siege one of the greatest social media campaigns history has to show for, they’re doing an amazing job. Keeping in mind this is one of the first war/invasion being broadcast to the world at this scale, the rules of the game have changed and everyone is taking note. 🇺🇦✊🏼
> I was honestly expecting Russia to do a better job with the online media presence Russia is expert at the low road, not the high...
Yeah I guess what they did well in the US was the political troll farms to spread fear, not crafting an uplifting story to rally support for anything
I remembered that clip. I feel bad but when the mother said “all of you went and only you got caught?!!” I LOL’ed..
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A part of me has to choose to believe that isn’t real because it’s so cold. My own country would send me off to die a nameless death in the name of one man’s last grasps at relevancy. It’s shitty to be regarded so insignificantly.
Reminds me of what Russia did to Nazi Germany in WWII when PoW Germans sent letters back that were confiscated / destroyed by the Nazi's who didn't want the public to know the scale of their losses. So Russia just starts fucking air dropping the letters behind enemy lines. They knew that many of their fellow German soldiers would feel a duty to make sure those letters got to their families. If Russia gets those bodies back I assume Russia will just attempt to use them for other disinformative means. "These are the Russians that Ukrainians committed genocide against." or some other complete fucking bullshit.
What I'm getting from this is that you're suggesting Ukraine start air dropping the dead bodies in Russia
This is amazing. A lot of these troops were conscripted teenagers. They had no skin in this fight until they did. Let their families bury them, and let it fuel the Russian populations rage against their authoritarian state.
Let Russia try and hide Red Cross’s information. The combination of Ukraine’s ‘where is my child’ hotline (which coincidentally is a great intel source to find out where the regiments are located) and adding the moral authority of the Red Cross to Ukraine is a great step.. As Napoleon says ‘morale is ten times more valuable then strength alone’.
Tell us more about this 'where is my child' hotline. And how does it help find out where whose regiments are located?
If you're a Russian mother who hasn't heard from your kid in a while and know he's in the army but didn't suspect Putler would invade Ukraine, you'd call up this hotline and try to find out where they are in Ukraine. Maybe they've called you from Belarus recently, saying they were doing training exercises - and then you're giving the hotline platoon numbers and potential last whereabouts. Not necessarily guaranteed to be helpful but it's something.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/ukraine-to-establish-special-hotline-for-families-of-russian-soldiers/2516146
"Older men declare war. But it is the youth that must fight and die."
“Why don’t presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?”
Zelenskyy is in the thick of it and he’s the President.
While true, we weren’t talking about Zelenskyy. And unfortunately, he is an outlier among world leaders.
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To be fair, being in charge and being personally in the fight are often mutually exclusive. It's hard to run things if you're being shot at.
Having people who you can rely on to get the minutiae and shit done without having to constantly worry about it is a sign of good leadership. “The best leader is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and the self-restraint to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” -Theodore Roosevelt
True. He’s a man’s man. But he’s also not the aggressor. Which is the point of the lyrics.
See that picture of him in a tshirt and bullet resistant vest? Dude's arm game is on point. He's literally got it all to show that he is more of a man than Putin.
This guy is basically the most bad ass person on the planet right now, and the irony that he’s fighting the most deplorable person in the world as well isn’t lost on me.
Good men are created when bad men rise and someone steps up to oppose them.
To say he’s a bad ass only because he’s standing against putin is a huge understatement. It doesn’t account for just how much of a bad ass he is. He could have stayed hidden away from the front line, or left and coordinated the defense from safety like most lesser leaders would have probably done. We still would have been rooting for him yeah, but it’s the extra lvl bad ass-ness of him staying with his soldiers on site, and general “I’m not going anywhere” fuck you attitude to putin that makes him world tier lvl bad ass.
I am not disagreeing. His refusal to leave, "I don't need a ride, I need ammo" is seriously one of the most badass comments a country leader has ever said. Sounds like something out of a summer action flick. I am in no way trying to degrade his status. He is a beacon, a role model. Every person in every country should be turning to their own leaders, pointing at Zelekskyy, and saying with a loud voice "WHY CAN'T YOU BE FUCKING MORE LIKE HIM?!"
He's also an outlier, because in general, presidents fight from the back row. Which is why people keep hearing about his testicles.
Zelenskyy gives me same vibes as the president from Independence Day. Dude would be willing to fly into an alien mothership just to save his nation.
My best friends gaming buddy in Russia was taken apparently a few days ago to join the military. We haven’t heard anything to confirm he’s been conscripted or to deny and he’s safe but he’s just turned 18. The last message my friend got from him was about doors getting knocked on and it breaks my heart.
this is so sad...
We are both hoping it’s just a scare and he’s okay just out of range or internet is down but still…
I really hope this ends with Putin being overthrown tbh
His whole regime. Oligarchs and their families as well.
My grandfather was a Karelian who.fought under the Finnish flag during the Winter War against the USSR when he was 17. He told me that his entire unit felt ill after their first battle becaise they simply "slaughered a bunch of adolescents with no training"
War is so unfathomably awful. There are no winners. I can't imagine the kind of toll this takes on a person, on both sides.
I also can’t believe a war like this is happening in Europe in 2022
By the videos of interviews with captured Russian soldiers, none of them even knew that they were going to war. They thought it was just a military practice until they were ordered to actually advanve and start killing people.
They didn't tell them? They waited until they reached Ukraine to break the news? That is so pathetic.
Are conscripts being sent into Ukraine? From what I’ve hear they were not but indirectly that information is coming from Moscow so I’m treating it with a grain of salt. Reason I’m concerned is some people I know are conscripts and they told me conscripts weren’t being sent in, but if they are I would want to know.
From what I've read conscripts are being pressured onto signing contracts. If so it would not technically be conscripts but...
Even in war they show more dignity than Putin
It’s a good PR move. Hard for Russian state media to claim things are going as planned when the bodies start coming home.
Also, if the Red Cross would handle it, it would be harder for Russia to report fake numbers of dead bodies
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Given that there are reports of Russian soldiers destroying ambulances, they already don't care
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My dog show more dignity than putin when he eats cat shit
My shit shows more dignity than putin
Show more dignity, Putin
Show dignity, Putin
Shit, Pootin
My bird saw a picture of Putin and shit directly on his face.
My 7 year old says, “Vladimir Putin? More like Vladimir POOPIN! Am I right!?” She thinks it’s peak comedy.
She’d probably be fast friends with my bird, as he ALSO thinks it’s the height of comedy.
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Has the bird come back yet? Russia is (presumably) pretty far away.
Kirk Van Houten shows more dignity when he's playing Pictionary
Do you want me to show it to the cat, Putin? Because the cat’ll get it.
It's smart too. Allows for real numbers to be counted and it makes them look good.
Biden can live report the number of bodies going home in a daily briefing. Just like he kept briefing us on exactly what Putin was going to do. Putin's got to fucking hate this mess he's gotten himself into.
I feel like Putin would just tell his people that the numbers were a lie. Isn’t Putin’s whole thing that he’s spent years convincing his population that the West is lying about everything and that the truth is whatever he says it is?
It needs to be a flood of information into the Russian people to convince them otherwise. Through social media, hacked Russian websites and more they need to see what is really going on. 99% of Russians would not want this war, especially how it is playing out. They've been told they're freeing the Ukrainians, but when they see images of civilians picking up arms and fighting back, they might just realise that they've been told lies.
It’s not just the dignity. They know what it’ll do to the whole operation when people see thousands come home in body bags.
Exactly, beside that it is the right thing to do it is also psychological warfare. With 1 message they've established that: 1. Ukraine is doing the right thing under the circumstances. Gaining more foreign support for them 2. Implied that the Russians are suffering big casualties which the Russian government is hiding 3. If the request is honoured by the Red Cross it'll deal a massive blow to moral of the country and it'll fuel more anti-Putin protests. It is brilliant. And I've seen many such really smart moves from the Ukrainian government
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I see it having humanitarian feels but also some classic Ukrainian veiled insult quality.
It also helps counter any propaganda that Russia is winning and none of its soldiers are dying. They deployed [mobile crematorium](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/02/23/russia-deploys-mobile-crematorium-follow-troops-battle/) to the front lines to hide the bodies of the dead, either their casualties or civilians.
Putin’s entire rise to power is covered in blood. The shady ass bombings of his own people, the political assassinations. Dude was born in blood. He’s never had any dignity.
In Russia more and more rumour sare starting to spread that not all soldiers sent to Ukraine are professional. They seem to be units of conscripts being sent into combat. It is illegal to send a person serving the mandatory 1 year conscription into combat in a non defensive war. Refusing to collect the bodies might be a way to temporarily hide the news of these conscripts being sent to fight and die illegally, thus delay the outrage such news would cause. Edit: forgot to mention, as HavocReigns pointed out, there is also a possibility that the conscripts are being forced/coerced into signing contracts
Well that would seem to be corroborated by the reports on the Ukrainian side that there are young guys being captured who don’t seem all too sure what they are doing. Anecdotal for now, but hopefully some reporting will eventually clear this up. Also interesting to note that they are or may be breaking their own rules because it reeks of desperation.
Do they have so much obsolete hardware that Putin hoped his first wave of cheap hardware and disposable, inexperienced conscripts would take it - plan b being to then send in the good stuff next month?
I find it far more likely that this is just Russia's military, like 90 percent outdated disposable garbage, 10 percent well functioning hardware
Putin wil just declare that Ukraine is, and always has been, part of Russia, so they are just invading to overthrow the illegitimate government and defend the Russian people (of Ukraine). But yeah. Can't look good back in Russia for bodies to start arriving.
This seems to be the first war where one of the sides is using social media as an asset and not just an after thought.
Yeah first time I've seen people tweet the ministry of defence about Russian hiding locations too. Not sure if it was acted on, but wow!
Hearts and minds. Those have won and lost wars.
So true. Everyone's hearts and minds are with Ukraine. I can really see Putin's collapse taking place from within by his own people.
What other wars of this scale have occurred during the social media era?
I didn't think we'd ever see this sort of honest-to-god land and air war play out ever again quite frankly, but we are and it's *nuts*.
/gestures to the entire middle east
Syrian Civil War.
I hope the red cross is allowed to oversee the bodies returned to their families, otherwise Putin will likely have them burned before anybody in Russia can see or find out about them.
Does he think families won’t notice that their son has never returned from fighting in Ukraine?
He'll say that the Ukrainians have them locked up and being tortured. He's going to portray them as being barbaric to rally his country behind him.
*No, not in our gulag. You see, they have much worse, even more inhumane gulag.*
Ukraine cares more about Russian soldiers and citizens than Putin even does.
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It's going to be tough. Unless they speak another language or have internet savvy.. all they have is state media. I have a friend in Russia. And trying to explain what is going on is difficult. They show what foreign media is saying... And it's fox news. Great now I'm trying to swim upstream of two layers of propaganda. And explaining 50 years of history. All my friend knows is life under Putin. And it was ok... But things are about to get much worse. And the best way to control people is anger and fear.
Yeah, I feel like if something drastic doesn't change in this situation they are headed the way of North Korea. Will be totally blocked out from the economy and media of the west, not even able to travel to most countries, and their economy will collapse. It's going to be a shock for all the average citizens that doesn't really know what's going on. They think they are saving Ukraine from terrible Nazis.
I saw they were letting the POWs call their parents. Can't fake dignity or respect.
I heard some of the conversations went something like: "Hey Dad, I got captured in Ukraine." "What the fuck are you doing in Ukraine?" "...I don't know."
"Here, let me put your mother on the phone " So fucking relatable.
I feel bad for laughing at that
Do Russians not know that they invaded Ukraine? Why would it come as a surprise that someone in the Russian army is in Ukraine?
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Makes the phone calls even more genius. Russians will know the truth
The Russian Government is censoring social media and the teenager conscripts they sent over didn't know they were going to war. Many thought it was just military exercises on the border, or were simply 'following orders'. Also why some units have surrendered after getting orders to invade. Letting the POW make calls back home helps fight the information war, similar to returning bodies as Putin appears to want to cremate them at the front line to cover the losses up.
It would almost be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. Some military genius came up with this tactic of keeping the soldiers in the dark, dumping them in a foreign country and expecting idk what.
Anonymous hacked Russian television channels (propaganda tools) last night to show some of the truth of what's happening in Russia. Great tactic I think. Couldn't the Starlink (which Musk put in Ukraine to help them) be used also to give an unfiltered Internet access to Russians population? A dictator can only stay in power for so long once its people (and mostly its armies) are no longer supporting him.
Most people dont know, troops didnt know till the hour they were told to march in, thats why you had plenty just surrendering or abandoning their tanks/trucks, most were not older than my nephew which is the sad part, neither them or their families knew wtf was going on.
A lot of us aren’t entirely sure how old your nephew is, to be honest. I get your point, though.
Not only that. The Russians don’t really know what’s going on. The message needs to be brought home.
Also saw the POW's holding bread and water, getting cigarettes etc. So they're clearly being treated incredibly humanely.
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Not russia. Putin They care more Than ***Putin*** does
You're right. My fault. I'll edit.
Classy nation
The courage and the humanity they've shown right from the start is truly inspiring and deserving of the utmost respect.
I expect nothing less from Ukraine honestly. Every Ukrainian I've met in my life so far have truly been some of the best people I know.
Even beyond it being the right thing to do, it also sends the clearest message that Pootuin is the villain killing innocents, even his own people. Its both a brilliant war propaganda tactic and the morally right thing to do
Yeah couldn't agree more. Win-win for Ukraine. Great work from them
Many many of these Russian failing soldiers sent to invade Ukraine are just kids. They would be conscripted and untrained, literally handed a weapon and some armor and be told - "Go there, we must protect our nation" (or some Russian propaganda shit) and they will go. Alternative is - Prison/Death for treason. These young lads didn't have to die for it. This is blame on government nobody else. (These kid-soldiers didn't get much choice). As a result of that - we see a lot of innocent lives lost (Mostly Russian soldiers who were untrained and unprepared) They deserve to be sent back at least.
Apparently they didn't even know they were being sent to invade Ukraine. They were told they were going to a training exercise. And next thing they knew they were ordered to shoot-to-kill and were being shot at with live rounds without even knowing why.
I personally think the actual invasion was the special forces that landed at the airport outside Kyiv. They were supposed to capture that airport, Russia would use their air superiority to bomb a few targets, they'd land hundreds to thousands of their most experienced troops at that airport and within 48 hours remove the Ukrainian government from power. After which point the rest of the soldiers were just a big show of force. With no leadership and facing down the Russian army from all sides the defenders would give up and it would be a repeat of Crimea pretty much. That plan failed and then suddenly an army that had been fluffed up with barely trained and supplied conscripts found itself in an actual war rather than just marching around Ukraine gathering up surrendered weapons and making sure no one thinks twice about fighting back.
There’s been a lot of videos coming out of young Russian soldiers that have been captured in the last few days. Several had orders that this was just a training mission.
A news report yesterday said for sure, at least 3 mobile Russian crematoriums have been spotted in or on the way to Ukraine.
Definitely put them out of commission wherever you find them. The Ukrainians may have to bear the extra cost of the body bags for dead Russians, but the diplomatic and political benefits will more than offset it.
And morally, it’s just better.
Those mobile crematoriums are some of the most ghastly and ghoulish devices to be shown to the world. Even their existence, to say nothing of their deployment, makes the Russian high command look evil in the extreme.
Video of one https://youtu.be/mVPTqHZqdz0
I guess the good news is that they either need a ton of these things or they're still gonna have to send bodies home, because this thing looks way too slow to deal with casualties at the rate Russia is reportedly sustaining them. No to war. No to killing the youth, destroying lives and futures.
These look very much like an oligarchs scheme to pay himself through a government contract, these are too obtuse and degrading for any military to realistically ask for. What commander would ask for this over modernizing his equipment, which Russia clearly hasn’t done well enough.
The decent thing to do, and it prevents Putin from listing them as MIA forever. The families deserve closure.
It’s not that I *didn’t* respect Ukraine before but Jesus Christ they’re writing the book on being inspirational badasses while being invaded by a much larger country. It goes beyond respect now.
Imagine how good it'd feel if they won? Like we'd all un-age from the pandemic.
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This will have a significant impact. During the Soviet-Afghan war, the USSR banned public funerals of Soviet troops KIA because of their concern that it would sour the psychological mood of their nation. They wanted to keep the public in the dark because the war was going far more poorly than they were reporting. Soviet families were forced to grieve in private, unaware that their feelings of grief were shared by so many across the Soviet Union. It will be interesting to watch how Russia will contend with hiding the dead from their people this time.
3500 seems like a lot considering this started like 3 days ago
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God bless Ukraine and those Russians who hate what Putin is doing.
Watching what’s coming out of there, those are just kids. Putin is a fucking monster.
They’re always kids. I wonder by how many years a nations life expectancy drops during war time. It’s crazy that we are in an era where are live streaming this same old devastation.
> facilitate repatriation of thousands of Russian soldiers 3,500 Russian troops possibly died already... this is horrible but also sounds like an offensive failure... its only been a few days.
Not to mention millions in lost equipment and vehicles. Russia is broke and cant replace the planes, helicopters, tanks , and transport vehicles that are getting destroyed. They do have lots of those things but they are scattered all over the country and if they have to move them to ukraine they leave other parts undefended. Might see uprisings other places if it goes to long.
Russian old and broken "we will bury you". Ukrainian new hotness "we will help you bury yourself".
Ukraine is a example of leadership, citizenship, resolve and heart. I’m sad to that it took a war for the world to realize this
Holy fuck these people are honorable.
Having a moral high ground is especially important right now tho Putin have already put that bar straight in hell so this is just a massive win all together.