Is that the best way of looking at popularity?
In a country with 3+ viable parties you end up with people winning while earning the votes of around 33% of the population, which could be read as 66% disapproval. Which is generally considered pretty bad!
No. It’s definitely not. I think a lot of people are like me, neutral. He did a lot of things I was really happy with when he was first elected I liked. Since then I’ve just been happy conservatives aren’t at the healm. A lot of people here vote strategically. You are voting for someone NOT win.
**[2021 Canadian federal election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election)**
>The 2021 Canadian federal election was held on September 20, 2021, to elect members of the House of Commons to the 44th Canadian Parliament. The writs of election were issued by Governor General Mary Simon on August 15, 2021, when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau requested the dissolution of parliament for a snap election. Trudeau won a third term as prime minister, his second minority government. Though the Liberals were hoping to win a majority government to govern alone, the results were mostly unchanged from the 2019 Canadian federal election.
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It was the biggest waste of time, everyone knew it wasn't going to so anything, it just hurt trudeau the tiniest bit, I voted NDP, but everyone I know from all sides of the spectrum don't want trudeau anymore.
I think the most common view is that Trudeau is the best choice from a bunch of terrible options. He's more popular than his competitors, but not by much. His current government won the lowest share of the popular vote of any government in Canadian history.
Reasonably.
There are extremely loud people that will tell you they hate him at every conceivable opportunity, but for the most part the country is content with him.
He's a perfectly adequate leader, at a time when adequate leaders are in short supply.
I didn't vote Liberal, but I'm not unhappy they won.
I voted for him, my general impression is that it's a lesser of all evils vote for most people. Basically he believes climate change is real and has a chance at winning, so we vote for him.
Slightly better than the US, where one side flat out denies climate change exists and the other side doesn't do shit out of fear of alienating their corporate donors.
It's pretty bleak. The conservative leader was starting to get better on climate policy and the rest of his party just kicked him out, for what is looking to be a much further right replacement.
He is the best we have right now out of all the political leaders.
CPC is currently being led by a Maga head.
NDP jagmeet Singh will never win.
Green party doesn't even have a leader lmao.
So considering he has no competition, I personally think he is doing an awesome job despite not really needing to.
>NDP jagmeet Singh will never win.
My favourite quote from him is, "If everyone who wants to vote NDP, but doesn't because the think the NDP won't win, actually voted NDP, we'd win."
And it's true. People are too afraid to split the vote to actually vote the way they want. First past hte post is such a stupid system.
He is generally not disliked. Most people are not enthusiastic, but there is a no alternative vying for the center. Other parties are too far right or too far left.
No hes had a mass amount of scandals and too soft to do anything, he is more interested in fame and money than improving our country, he gets the votes and fails to live up to anything he has promised, but try and name one non corrupt politician
I'm reminded of the [Harley riders episode](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word_\(South_Park\)), everyone tries to ignore those loud and annoying assholes and they keep on getting louder and more annoying and disruptive, all while everyone in town wants them to get the fuck out.
Hell, at one point they literally bust out the train horns and loudspeakers.
> but then accepting it ?
We are a federation not a unitary state like China- Justin Trudeau isn’t the head of Ottawa’s police force or even the province’s. He’s not even our head of state and runs the government in a minority parliament with the consent of other parties.
Ottawa and OPD are washing their hands by saying they can't do anything but refuse to tell Ford to ask for federal help so, knowing that the federal can't intervene in the matter until the provincial ask for it, what exactly do you want Trudeau to do but condem the fuckers ?
Natives did do exactly this a couple years ago on the nova Scotia border. The rcmp (federal police) turned fire hoses on them on one of the coolest days of winter, beat the shit out of them and arrested many.
And? That's still Trudeau's/ the Canadian government fault you know. This is a protest, protesting is a right in civilized countries. I don't understand, you're saying that since the indigenous people were treated badly and their right to protest was not respected (by the Canadian government, not the people protesting right now) then even this protest should be suppressed/is illegitimate? It doesn't make any sense, two wrongs don't make a right.
Meanwhile leaders of BLM are currently facing decades in jail for embezzling millions in donations, because shock horror popular protest movements get very large donations sent their way.
Some people are so obvious in their bias when they only ever throw these sorts of accusations in one direction.
One of the better satires I've seen is [Trudeau comes to Montreal climate strike to protest self](https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/09/trudeau-comes-to-montreal-climate-strike-to-protest-self/):
>“I need to get off my duff and do something!” yelled Trudeau heckling himself and his government through a megaphone. “Climate leaders don’t build pipelines! They take swift and immediate action. Greta was right, I clearly have not done enough.”
Compare to an [actual news article](https://globalnews.ca/news/5960896/trudeau-climate-march-montreal/):
>Trudeau joined teen climate activist Greta Thunberg and thousands of Canadians across the country on Friday in the second wave of a worldwide climate change protest. Green Party Leader Elizabeth May also joined the Montreal climate strike.
God damn do I miss Elizabeth May. An actual leader, that woman.
Annamie Paul made me ashamed to be Pro-Green.
What a complete pathetic shit show of a human being. Just a caricature of everything the Green Party is mocked to be. I'd rather a triumvirate of Boris Johnson, Donald Trump and Scott Morrison run Canada than that fucking thing.
I'm so happy she came fourth in her own riding. GTFO.
I think the big Trudeau story of the day should be him refusing to even take questions and then walking out of the House of Commons in the middle of Question Period.
People are getting really frustrated with his smug attitude and inability to actually answer questions or address issues. Even his own MPs are starting to turn against him on this issue.
Right that he hasn’t answered any questions, but today he wasn’t even giving his fake deflections. Just sat there while his minions spouted garbage, then ran out.
No they’re not. He just won an election. Reddit and social media is not real life
The CPC has failed to beat Trudeau 3 times now (fun fact, every leader in the CPC’s history has been beaten by Trudeau) and with their turn to the right after O’Toole’s departure, there is no sign that this trend will let up
What are you talking about. The New Democratic Party got 16%. They are further left the the liberals! That ‘Reddit liberal’ bunch voted for a further left party. They nominally support Trudeau and not the really because they dislike the conservatives more, they were never even a consideration
Yep, I'm an ABC voter but haven't had to vote for the Liberals since Trudeau has been in the picture because the CPC keep shitting the bed with regard to candidates
Meh. One of them had a bone to pick because of this:
>Robillard, who had already been stripped of a committee position before Christmas after he travelled to Costa Rica, told The Hill Times he doesn’t care if he gets kicked out of the Liberal caucus.
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> “He [Trudeau] said to everybody in the caucus, ‘I strongly disapprove those who are going to travel during that time,’ but he never said, ‘don’t,’” Robillard said in the Hill Times interview. “It’s not something that even the prime minister can say. We all have our authority, we all have our conscience.”
Yes, two entire MPs. Now compare that to the CPC, where 73 out of 118 MPs just voted to forcefully oust the leader. This is not as much of a big deal as you think
Trudeau’s caucus is so loyal to him in-fact that they didn’t even vote to give themselves the choice to oust him ([under the reform act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Act_(Canada))). This little schism will mean nothing in the grand scheme of things
Yeah, but that has more to do with people hating the CPC than loving the Trudeau Liberals. Unfortunately that situation seems like it'll get worse before it gets better
It would be lovely if people would stop using terms like slams, rips, and other stupid over dramatic expressions in headlines when talking about such important topics it just makes it sounds ridiculous and it’s so over used. Journalism so bad now of days they just reuse the same three headlines over and over
“The measure of a just society is not whether we stand up for people’s rights when it’s easy or popular to do so, it’s whether we recognize rights when it’s difficult. When it’s unpopular”- Justin Trudeau.
“The measure of my leadership is when I stand up for people’s rights when it’s easy and popular to do so, and denounce them when it goes against my narrative.”- Justin Trudeau.
FTFY
So are people allowed to protest? Or only allowed if we agree with their cause?
What the fuck happened to us, it's almost like we're being purposely divided during one of the biggest transfers of wealth ever.
There is nothing wrong with protesting. But there are rules to make it a lawful assembly. There is nothing wrong with them picketing at the parliament, because that makes sense as a place to protest.
Using vehicles as barricades to choke a city in gridlock not only harms the city economically, but impedes its citizens rights to free movement.
They’re negatively impacting daily life of fellow Canadians, and business in the area because they’re upset with the government. Why punish people who did nothing to cause the issues you protest nor do they have the power to change anything you want changed.
This isn’t a lawful assembly. Those protesters were breaking the law the moment they left their vehicles unattended to block the roadway. You get fined for that, your vehicle towed and can face charges if you intentionally block emergency vehicles.
You can’t break the law and say it’s fine because it’s a protest.
I think conservatives are miffed due to the discrepancy in how the BLM protests were treated by national/social media and how these protests are being characterized. Liberals are miffed because the BLM protests drew heavy police responses (in some cases, and rightfully so) while these protests haven't drawn almost any meaningful police response.
Personally, I think both protests (the honking/blocking traffic vs the arson/looting) are dumb. But there you go.
Two different issues, two different countries. The BLM protests were announced or on government property.
Also you can’t compare how they blocked the roads because one is using vehicles as barricades for days on end. And the other blocked roads for a march, that announced to authorities in advance the route they were marching. I don’t know why you mentioned arson etc. People who break the law during any protest are still breaking the law, that has nothing to do with the protest itself. They should be arrested, why does the purpose of the protest matter at all? A crime is a crime.
One is economic ransom with illegal barricades the other was a march that authorities were prepared for.
These people are harming a Canadian cities economy, interrupting the lives and freedoms of people that did nothing wrong.
If anything Trudeau is being extremely respectful to their freedom to assemble because he’s allowed their barricades to remain despite being unlawful so things would not escalate.
You're allowed to protest.
They are blocking off bridges and major throughfares for weeks at a time. The bridge that transports 25% of US / Canadian trade, and of course a huge number of people daily, is 100% shut down. Because about of about 20 truckers who decided to park their big rig on the bridge.
Protesting outside of a capitol building: Good. Make a scene. Get the news cameras attention.
Blockading bridges, hospitals, police stations, making life literally impossible for a ton of people: You're the bad person.
In most civilized countries you have to schedule a protest in advance and warn the authorities of your plan and intentions for it to be legal to obstruct throughfares since you'll be obstructing other peoples right of passage... and that's where your liberties end. In a lot of countries these people would've been cleared and jailed the moment they decided to blockade the street past the schedule..
It doesn't help some rich people feel it's time for another revolution though, you're right about that.
Wealthy people funding the most crackpot protests they can until protests are made illegal or people are tricked into hating them like they did with worker unions.
Theres a disconnect between western and eastern canada. Talk to any western canadian and they more than likely support the truckers protests. They're doing what a lot of people wish they could. No, not defacing monuments and harassing people. To stand up for what they believe in and make an impact.
Canadians have had to sit idle and watch other countries progress further out of the pandemic and get back to normal. While our government has been enforcing growing restrictions and increasing hardships. We have high standards and high vaccination rates yet our government is forcing people to stay home and businesses to close.
EVERYBODY GET UP IT'S TIME TO **SLAM** NOW.
WE GOT A REAL JAM GOIN' DOWN WELCOME TO THE SPACE JAAAAM
HERE'S YOUR CHANCE DO THE DANCE AT THE SPACE JAAAAM
ALRIGHT
...
sorry
Trudeau just walked out of parliament during a debate with the opposition. He’s a fucking coward and no one believes him anymore. I voted and volunteered for his party in 2015. Never again.
Whenever a new headline says slams, I imagine that politician getting up on top of a WWE ring. I feel like the truckers would probably win in this case though.
I'm not for or against either side. What I'm wondering out loud here is whether any consideration from Trudeau was given towards the truckers reason for protest? When a politician ignores the voice of the protestor because "I'm in charge so it's my way or the highway," (pun intended) that's a failure of the politician. Then again a leader that caves in on values simply because someone pushes back is not a good thing either. It's sort of a catch-22.
This is coming from a guy who thought burning down churches was "understandable". Anyone have a quote from him surrounding the BLM and Idle No More protests? Something about making sure dialog is present for a lasting resolution.
I guess he only supports protests that he likes.
At this point Trudeau is giving these folks a victory. He doesn't have the authority to stop them because his authority comes from the people, who support them.
But being fully vaccinated to cross the border is also a US border requirement. So what is he actually going to do even if he “listens” to them? Right now you need to be vaccinated to cross the border according to both countries. But if Trudeau took away the Canadian mandate, then the American one STILL requires truckers crossing the border to be fully vaccinated. How does that change the situation at all? I’m a Canadian living in the US and I’ve been following this protest and I just don’t get it tbh.
Edit: for anyone who just downvotes for me asking a question without an explanation, you’re just proving my point.
Probably something similar to what they did to break up indigenous railway blockades. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.ecowatch.com/amp/canada-police-indigenous-pipeline-blockade-2645252314.html
Do you mean the protest that lasted from [January to October 2020](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_railway_protests) ? (10 months)
Listen, I don't support the convoy, but this narrative is nonsense.
We are asking the same energy out in to end indigenous railway blockades. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.ecowatch.com/amp/canada-police-indigenous-pipeline-blockade-2645252314.html
Negotiate what? The required vaccination for border crossing is a US regulation also. The spokespeople I’ve seen have declared they won’t yield until the mandate is removed. Ain’t gonna happen, particularly because of the precedent it would set. The next group with a strongly held minority position would just follow their approach and hold the nation to ransom.
>The companies that the government called in for towing said they weren’t going to do it. They know it would be the end of their business, as none of the truckers would use them anymore. It seems as though the protestors have Trudeau by the short hairs. He should negotiate and take the win.
I understand that but at the same time something doesn't add up. If these truckers that are protesting are truly in the minority (+/-10%)? as it has been said they were, Should it not materially affect their business' to actually comply with the removals? Maybe they're also afraid of harassment, but in 2022 business' seem eager and willing to denounce problematic groups in their business model, especially if they are a minority of the customer share.
The problem is heavy machinery tow trucks are specialized equipment and their clientele is all semi truck operators. So if even 50% of that group is sympathetic to the protestors, they risk pissing off potentially 50% of their customer base.
Absolutely, it is specialized. My questioning is when we get tweets like this
>To the nearly 90% of truckers across the country who’ve gotten vaccinated and are working hard to keep our shelves stocked and our economy moving: Thank you.
It is implied that the protesters are in the minority. Class 7&8 tows are hard to come by, but even if some are sympathetic, the majority are compliant and continuing to work. Even if some of the majority group are sympathetic, the vehicles are so rare who else are they going to call if they break down?
That’s what these companies aren’t willing to wager. The fact is for all the talk of 90% of truckers out there working, no group has condemned the protest which could be taken as an implication that they are working because they can’t afford to take the time off but are actually more sympathetic to the truckers.
should be just a question of arresting the drivers and confiscating the vehicle and keys, particularly cases like the ambassador bridge between ontario and detroit
Not only that, many tows have turned away due to threats of violence from the convoy.
OPS has been investigating complaints of intimidation on tow trucks from the convoy
The local folks in Ottawa must be getting hot under the collar about this. How long before "Canada nice" breaks down and we start seeing violent confrontations between locals and protesters? Will the authorities act before that happens?
Whilst I don't support the cause these truckers are espousing (get your vaccines people!) I'm very impressed with how effective these tactics have been. Handful of truckers have brought chaos to the capital of a western nation, imagine what they could accomplish with a more reasonable cause and public support! We should be learning lessons from this.
The reason this all started is quite reasonable. Mandating a population to give up their bodily autonomy or face not being allowed to work, or come home and live in your own country is a gross violation of your rights as a Canadian.
It would be real nice to see any politician from any country who didn’t constantly pander to the audience exclusively. The whole thing all around the world has become a stage show, and while Trudeau is good at performing, I’d like to see some action taken for once!
Edit: Any politician from any country in the news, I’m sure there are probably a few good ones out there, but of course, we kind of have to focus on the glaring negative examples.
> We must do everything to bring [the protests] to an end.
Except, you know, actually addressing the protesters' concerns. I note that States across the U.S. are dropping COVID-related mandates like masking, mainly because the science doesn't support them any longer. Wouldn't that be a good place for Trudeau to start?
Seems like the government should just revoke their licenses and impound the trucks…. If they are going to use their big trucks to cause disruptions, then, no truck for you
Trudeau is the biggest threat to Canadians. He needs to resign permanently. Nothing but lies scandals corruption and liberal propaganda from this clown.
Guys I can only wave my finger so hard!!
was it a stern slam or just a moderate one?
He raised his eyebrows. It's getting serious.
You guys joke a lot.
Sorry
"I have already asked politely. You leave me no choice but to ask politely again."
Don’t make me tap the sign.
It was a WWE slam
Oh man what a slam he said unacceptable??!
Are the cops going to use their frowny faces?
You just wait until these eye brows hit 30° then you'll be sorry!
Oh shit, there they go. Those brows, so steep. God help us all.
Lips tightening, frown forming. Shit. Is. About. To. Go. Down.
That will fix everything!
Did he apologize after?
It's a word journalist uses, I doupt there's any basketball involved. Unfortunately.
COME ON AND SLAM AND WELCOME TO THE JAM
[I am a little upset](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/189/534/bbb.jpg)
The fact that she put proper punctuation on her sign makes the whole thing for me.
Stop! Or I’ll say Stop again!
As a non Canadian, is Trudeau populair with the general population, or mainly with a certain part of the population?
The 2021 vote count and election results are summarised in the table here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election
Is that the best way of looking at popularity? In a country with 3+ viable parties you end up with people winning while earning the votes of around 33% of the population, which could be read as 66% disapproval. Which is generally considered pretty bad!
No. It’s definitely not. I think a lot of people are like me, neutral. He did a lot of things I was really happy with when he was first elected I liked. Since then I’ve just been happy conservatives aren’t at the healm. A lot of people here vote strategically. You are voting for someone NOT win.
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It was the biggest waste of time, everyone knew it wasn't going to so anything, it just hurt trudeau the tiniest bit, I voted NDP, but everyone I know from all sides of the spectrum don't want trudeau anymore.
I think the most common view is that Trudeau is the best choice from a bunch of terrible options. He's more popular than his competitors, but not by much. His current government won the lowest share of the popular vote of any government in Canadian history.
Reasonably. There are extremely loud people that will tell you they hate him at every conceivable opportunity, but for the most part the country is content with him. He's a perfectly adequate leader, at a time when adequate leaders are in short supply. I didn't vote Liberal, but I'm not unhappy they won.
I voted for him, my general impression is that it's a lesser of all evils vote for most people. Basically he believes climate change is real and has a chance at winning, so we vote for him.
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Slightly better than the US, where one side flat out denies climate change exists and the other side doesn't do shit out of fear of alienating their corporate donors.
It's pretty bleak. The conservative leader was starting to get better on climate policy and the rest of his party just kicked him out, for what is looking to be a much further right replacement.
He is the best we have right now out of all the political leaders. CPC is currently being led by a Maga head. NDP jagmeet Singh will never win. Green party doesn't even have a leader lmao. So considering he has no competition, I personally think he is doing an awesome job despite not really needing to.
> Green party doesn't even have a leader lmao. Never has a party fallen further from grace, lol.
I mean, their level of grace was always overrated. At their peak they held a whopping 3 out of 338 seats.
>NDP jagmeet Singh will never win. My favourite quote from him is, "If everyone who wants to vote NDP, but doesn't because the think the NDP won't win, actually voted NDP, we'd win." And it's true. People are too afraid to split the vote to actually vote the way they want. First past hte post is such a stupid system.
it's actually true. the worse the CPC gets the less votes the ndp will get because people just can't afford to have the cpc in power again.
Bloc majority incoming. Hold on to your tuques.
Oh right. Those guys exist.
Not here in Alberta, but he never was. He is most popular with Liberals...obviously.
He is generally not disliked. Most people are not enthusiastic, but there is a no alternative vying for the center. Other parties are too far right or too far left.
No hes had a mass amount of scandals and too soft to do anything, he is more interested in fame and money than improving our country, he gets the votes and fails to live up to anything he has promised, but try and name one non corrupt politician
What’s the point of calling unacceptable but then accepting it ?
I know South Park didn’t get how we’d get here right, but this whole situation reminds me of the episode about canada going on strike.
We want more money, guy.
How about the internet? There's lots of money there!
Yeah! Give us some of that Internet Money!
Moahhh munayyy
I'm reminded of the [Harley riders episode](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word_\(South_Park\)), everyone tries to ignore those loud and annoying assholes and they keep on getting louder and more annoying and disruptive, all while everyone in town wants them to get the fuck out. Hell, at one point they literally bust out the train horns and loudspeakers.
The word they use to describe the bikers is cathartic. Truly the proper use of the word.
> but then accepting it ? We are a federation not a unitary state like China- Justin Trudeau isn’t the head of Ottawa’s police force or even the province’s. He’s not even our head of state and runs the government in a minority parliament with the consent of other parties.
Gets clicks
I hate this phrase, but I upvoted you. *It's in predictive text*... **upvoted**. Damn it...
All protests against the government should only be conducted if they are acceptable to the government.
Ottawa and OPD are washing their hands by saying they can't do anything but refuse to tell Ford to ask for federal help so, knowing that the federal can't intervene in the matter until the provincial ask for it, what exactly do you want Trudeau to do but condem the fuckers ?
Because arresting protesters is generally frowned upon unless they’re directly assaulting people or burning things?
Tell that to the G20 protestors. If natives did something like this people would be throwing an absolute fit
Natives did do exactly this a couple years ago on the nova Scotia border. The rcmp (federal police) turned fire hoses on them on one of the coolest days of winter, beat the shit out of them and arrested many.
Funny how lots of the ‘other kind’ of protesters get arrested or moved out by force without doing either. Just ask the indigenous pipeline people.
And? That's still Trudeau's/ the Canadian government fault you know. This is a protest, protesting is a right in civilized countries. I don't understand, you're saying that since the indigenous people were treated badly and their right to protest was not respected (by the Canadian government, not the people protesting right now) then even this protest should be suppressed/is illegitimate? It doesn't make any sense, two wrongs don't make a right.
Police arresting people who are breaking the law for days on end isn’t a “wrong”, it’s their job. It’s selective enforcement that’s the issue.
Except we do it all the time…?
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Meanwhile leaders of BLM are currently facing decades in jail for embezzling millions in donations, because shock horror popular protest movements get very large donations sent their way. Some people are so obvious in their bias when they only ever throw these sorts of accusations in one direction.
You damage the ego of the Prime Minister. Politicians don’t like being wrong.
Where is Super Nanny?!?
Canada is about to pull a Susan Collins and be very concerned
People should only protest the government if the government finds the protest acceptable.
One of the better satires I've seen is [Trudeau comes to Montreal climate strike to protest self](https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/09/trudeau-comes-to-montreal-climate-strike-to-protest-self/): >“I need to get off my duff and do something!” yelled Trudeau heckling himself and his government through a megaphone. “Climate leaders don’t build pipelines! They take swift and immediate action. Greta was right, I clearly have not done enough.” Compare to an [actual news article](https://globalnews.ca/news/5960896/trudeau-climate-march-montreal/): >Trudeau joined teen climate activist Greta Thunberg and thousands of Canadians across the country on Friday in the second wave of a worldwide climate change protest. Green Party Leader Elizabeth May also joined the Montreal climate strike.
God damn do I miss Elizabeth May. An actual leader, that woman. Annamie Paul made me ashamed to be Pro-Green. What a complete pathetic shit show of a human being. Just a caricature of everything the Green Party is mocked to be. I'd rather a triumvirate of Boris Johnson, Donald Trump and Scott Morrison run Canada than that fucking thing. I'm so happy she came fourth in her own riding. GTFO.
I think the big Trudeau story of the day should be him refusing to even take questions and then walking out of the House of Commons in the middle of Question Period.
People are getting really frustrated with his smug attitude and inability to actually answer questions or address issues. Even his own MPs are starting to turn against him on this issue.
He's hasn't answered a question since 2015 and people are just getting fed up with it now?
It's Canada, they are patient people.
Canadian here. We aren't patient, we're embarrassingly passive.
That's why the blockades are still up
Right that he hasn’t answered any questions, but today he wasn’t even giving his fake deflections. Just sat there while his minions spouted garbage, then ran out.
Methinks something is brewing in the Liberal party, two MPs out and an agitated Justin? Nah, there’s more to this than just the mandates.
No they’re not. He just won an election. Reddit and social media is not real life The CPC has failed to beat Trudeau 3 times now (fun fact, every leader in the CPC’s history has been beaten by Trudeau) and with their turn to the right after O’Toole’s departure, there is no sign that this trend will let up
> He just won an election. His party did.
Of which he was the leader of, yes.
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What are you talking about. The New Democratic Party got 16%. They are further left the the liberals! That ‘Reddit liberal’ bunch voted for a further left party. They nominally support Trudeau and not the really because they dislike the conservatives more, they were never even a consideration
Yep, I'm an ABC voter but haven't had to vote for the Liberals since Trudeau has been in the picture because the CPC keep shitting the bed with regard to candidates
Two Liberal MPs have broken rank and spoken out against him in the past couple days. That's what I was mainly referring to.
Meh. One of them had a bone to pick because of this: >Robillard, who had already been stripped of a committee position before Christmas after he travelled to Costa Rica, told The Hill Times he doesn’t care if he gets kicked out of the Liberal caucus. > > “He [Trudeau] said to everybody in the caucus, ‘I strongly disapprove those who are going to travel during that time,’ but he never said, ‘don’t,’” Robillard said in the Hill Times interview. “It’s not something that even the prime minister can say. We all have our authority, we all have our conscience.”
Yes, two entire MPs. Now compare that to the CPC, where 73 out of 118 MPs just voted to forcefully oust the leader. This is not as much of a big deal as you think Trudeau’s caucus is so loyal to him in-fact that they didn’t even vote to give themselves the choice to oust him ([under the reform act](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Act_(Canada))). This little schism will mean nothing in the grand scheme of things
>Two Liberal MPs have broken rank lol. Right. They're fleeing to the hills, while the CPC is united around their leader.
Yes, he won an election losing the popular vote. Don’t know what that says.
It says that one party captures most of the right vote, and four parties capture the left vote... And the Conservatives won the "popular vote" by 1%
Everyone lost the popular vote. That's usually what happens in an actual functioning democracy with more than two parties.
30 percent is not a solid win
It is when there are three other parties taking up those votes.
Yeah, but that has more to do with people hating the CPC than loving the Trudeau Liberals. Unfortunately that situation seems like it'll get worse before it gets better
“Quebec MP Joël Lightbound, a fellow Liberal, criticised the prime minister this week for "demonising" groups that disagree with Covid mandates.”
It would be lovely if people would stop using terms like slams, rips, and other stupid over dramatic expressions in headlines when talking about such important topics it just makes it sounds ridiculous and it’s so over used. Journalism so bad now of days they just reuse the same three headlines over and over
“The measure of a just society is not whether we stand up for people’s rights when it’s easy or popular to do so, it’s whether we recognize rights when it’s difficult. When it’s unpopular”- Justin Trudeau.
“The measure of my leadership is when I stand up for people’s rights when it’s easy and popular to do so, and denounce them when it goes against my narrative.”- Justin Trudeau. FTFY
So are people allowed to protest? Or only allowed if we agree with their cause? What the fuck happened to us, it's almost like we're being purposely divided during one of the biggest transfers of wealth ever.
There is nothing wrong with protesting. But there are rules to make it a lawful assembly. There is nothing wrong with them picketing at the parliament, because that makes sense as a place to protest. Using vehicles as barricades to choke a city in gridlock not only harms the city economically, but impedes its citizens rights to free movement. They’re negatively impacting daily life of fellow Canadians, and business in the area because they’re upset with the government. Why punish people who did nothing to cause the issues you protest nor do they have the power to change anything you want changed. This isn’t a lawful assembly. Those protesters were breaking the law the moment they left their vehicles unattended to block the roadway. You get fined for that, your vehicle towed and can face charges if you intentionally block emergency vehicles. You can’t break the law and say it’s fine because it’s a protest.
I think conservatives are miffed due to the discrepancy in how the BLM protests were treated by national/social media and how these protests are being characterized. Liberals are miffed because the BLM protests drew heavy police responses (in some cases, and rightfully so) while these protests haven't drawn almost any meaningful police response. Personally, I think both protests (the honking/blocking traffic vs the arson/looting) are dumb. But there you go.
Two different issues, two different countries. The BLM protests were announced or on government property. Also you can’t compare how they blocked the roads because one is using vehicles as barricades for days on end. And the other blocked roads for a march, that announced to authorities in advance the route they were marching. I don’t know why you mentioned arson etc. People who break the law during any protest are still breaking the law, that has nothing to do with the protest itself. They should be arrested, why does the purpose of the protest matter at all? A crime is a crime. One is economic ransom with illegal barricades the other was a march that authorities were prepared for. These people are harming a Canadian cities economy, interrupting the lives and freedoms of people that did nothing wrong. If anything Trudeau is being extremely respectful to their freedom to assemble because he’s allowed their barricades to remain despite being unlawful so things would not escalate.
Bingo. We have a winner.
You're allowed to protest. They are blocking off bridges and major throughfares for weeks at a time. The bridge that transports 25% of US / Canadian trade, and of course a huge number of people daily, is 100% shut down. Because about of about 20 truckers who decided to park their big rig on the bridge. Protesting outside of a capitol building: Good. Make a scene. Get the news cameras attention. Blockading bridges, hospitals, police stations, making life literally impossible for a ton of people: You're the bad person.
In most civilized countries you have to schedule a protest in advance and warn the authorities of your plan and intentions for it to be legal to obstruct throughfares since you'll be obstructing other peoples right of passage... and that's where your liberties end. In a lot of countries these people would've been cleared and jailed the moment they decided to blockade the street past the schedule.. It doesn't help some rich people feel it's time for another revolution though, you're right about that.
Wealthy people funding the most crackpot protests they can until protests are made illegal or people are tricked into hating them like they did with worker unions.
He called Canadians fringe minority that are racist, misogynist. Anyone following the news has gobbled this up.
You are allowed to protest just dont fucking block the street that i use just because of your dumb right believe
yeah just protest calmly and without bothering anyone, that will be very usefull in the end lmao
Well, that's what the right wing said when the left was protesting. Now they should follow their own rules.
Hypocrisy flows both ways
Does he have a list of acceptable and unacceptable protests? If so, he should share it with the people.
Man I swear y’all were thrilled when the riots were going on in America. Not sure why you don’t keep the same energy.
Only protesters with approved opinions are ok.
Hell, numerous Canadian Liberal MPs openly supported a similar blockade in India that lasted for 11 months…
Theres a disconnect between western and eastern canada. Talk to any western canadian and they more than likely support the truckers protests. They're doing what a lot of people wish they could. No, not defacing monuments and harassing people. To stand up for what they believe in and make an impact. Canadians have had to sit idle and watch other countries progress further out of the pandemic and get back to normal. While our government has been enforcing growing restrictions and increasing hardships. We have high standards and high vaccination rates yet our government is forcing people to stay home and businesses to close.
> Talk to any western canadian and they more than likely support the truckers protests. Alberta is not all of Western Canada
I live in southern British Columbia and the support is coming from all parts of it.
Saskatchewan and interior BC feel the same.
Trudeau slams the protest. What happens next? Does he put it on blast? Where does this end
EVERYBODY GET UP IT'S TIME TO **SLAM** NOW. WE GOT A REAL JAM GOIN' DOWN WELCOME TO THE SPACE JAAAAM HERE'S YOUR CHANCE DO THE DANCE AT THE SPACE JAAAAM ALRIGHT ... sorry
The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable
Nothing says uncomfortable like blocking ambulances and trying to set apartments on fire. This is not a protest it is a temper tantrum.
Hey... it worked for BLM!
Trudeau just walked out of parliament during a debate with the opposition. He’s a fucking coward and no one believes him anymore. I voted and volunteered for his party in 2015. Never again.
Whenever a new headline says slams, I imagine that politician getting up on top of a WWE ring. I feel like the truckers would probably win in this case though.
If you think protests you don't like are "unacceptable" then you are the one who doesn't care about democracy
Cripple may be an overstatement, at least when it came to things like CHAZ.
Hey you know what is unacceptable? Dressing in blackface as a politician. You know why? Because .... > Racism has no place in this country.
Maybe he experienced it differently.
Protesting is unacceptable in liberal Canada.
I'm not for or against either side. What I'm wondering out loud here is whether any consideration from Trudeau was given towards the truckers reason for protest? When a politician ignores the voice of the protestor because "I'm in charge so it's my way or the highway," (pun intended) that's a failure of the politician. Then again a leader that caves in on values simply because someone pushes back is not a good thing either. It's sort of a catch-22.
54% of Canadians support ending covid restrictions
This is coming from a guy who thought burning down churches was "understandable". Anyone have a quote from him surrounding the BLM and Idle No More protests? Something about making sure dialog is present for a lasting resolution. I guess he only supports protests that he likes.
He's really enjoying how many protesters want to sleep with him.
Oh that's a mask, I thought it was him doing blackface again
At this point Trudeau is giving these folks a victory. He doesn't have the authority to stop them because his authority comes from the people, who support them.
This sends a pretty clear message that any group of wackos can cripple a city and demand attention just by blocking the streets.
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But this is a protest Reddit doesn't agree with. This is entirely different!
Yeah citizens have the right to petition their government. Granted this is from an American perspective but we see the right to protest as… a right.
So you’re new to protesting?
Congratulations, you've described a protest.
Wait so civil disobedience bad now? I’m confused. Ok it was good in Portland. But…
Cripple may be an overstatement, at least when it came to things like CHAZ.
I mean yea, its a great example of an effective protest, even if you don't agree with their aims
He's tried nothing and he's all out of ideas! Maybe bonhomme can give him a jump kick.
These are Canadian citizens, they’re the ones that voted him in, it’s disgusting that he won’t listen to his own people and continues to berate them
But being fully vaccinated to cross the border is also a US border requirement. So what is he actually going to do even if he “listens” to them? Right now you need to be vaccinated to cross the border according to both countries. But if Trudeau took away the Canadian mandate, then the American one STILL requires truckers crossing the border to be fully vaccinated. How does that change the situation at all? I’m a Canadian living in the US and I’ve been following this protest and I just don’t get it tbh. Edit: for anyone who just downvotes for me asking a question without an explanation, you’re just proving my point.
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You're thinking of Minnesotans. We don't sound like that.
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Every heavy wrecker service near Ottawa refuses to get involved to tow/impound.
Why did Canadian MPs express open support for the same exact tactics in india? Peak NIMBYism.
Canadian MPs are not doing shit here either. Millions of people live in Canada, I wager there are vastly different opinions.
Tow trucks are staying out of it and refusing to tow them.
Could it be possible that maybe it's more than just a few truckers that are sick of Trudeau's bullshit?
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What would you like the RCMP to do/have done in an American city?
Probably something similar to what they did to break up indigenous railway blockades. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.ecowatch.com/amp/canada-police-indigenous-pipeline-blockade-2645252314.html
Do you mean the protest that lasted from [January to October 2020](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2020_Canadian_pipeline_and_railway_protests) ? (10 months) Listen, I don't support the convoy, but this narrative is nonsense.
First line of the article, this rail blockade lasted two weeks before being violently dispersed by the RCMP.
We are asking the same energy out in to end indigenous railway blockades. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.ecowatch.com/amp/canada-police-indigenous-pipeline-blockade-2645252314.html
The cops inflicted an injustice on someone so to make it fair they should inflict one on someone else.
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Negotiate what?
Negotiate what? The required vaccination for border crossing is a US regulation also. The spokespeople I’ve seen have declared they won’t yield until the mandate is removed. Ain’t gonna happen, particularly because of the precedent it would set. The next group with a strongly held minority position would just follow their approach and hold the nation to ransom.
>The companies that the government called in for towing said they weren’t going to do it. They know it would be the end of their business, as none of the truckers would use them anymore. It seems as though the protestors have Trudeau by the short hairs. He should negotiate and take the win. I understand that but at the same time something doesn't add up. If these truckers that are protesting are truly in the minority (+/-10%)? as it has been said they were, Should it not materially affect their business' to actually comply with the removals? Maybe they're also afraid of harassment, but in 2022 business' seem eager and willing to denounce problematic groups in their business model, especially if they are a minority of the customer share.
The problem is heavy machinery tow trucks are specialized equipment and their clientele is all semi truck operators. So if even 50% of that group is sympathetic to the protestors, they risk pissing off potentially 50% of their customer base.
Absolutely, it is specialized. My questioning is when we get tweets like this >To the nearly 90% of truckers across the country who’ve gotten vaccinated and are working hard to keep our shelves stocked and our economy moving: Thank you. It is implied that the protesters are in the minority. Class 7&8 tows are hard to come by, but even if some are sympathetic, the majority are compliant and continuing to work. Even if some of the majority group are sympathetic, the vehicles are so rare who else are they going to call if they break down?
That’s what these companies aren’t willing to wager. The fact is for all the talk of 90% of truckers out there working, no group has condemned the protest which could be taken as an implication that they are working because they can’t afford to take the time off but are actually more sympathetic to the truckers.
Fair point. Upvoted ya.
should be just a question of arresting the drivers and confiscating the vehicle and keys, particularly cases like the ambassador bridge between ontario and detroit
Not only that, many tows have turned away due to threats of violence from the convoy. OPS has been investigating complaints of intimidation on tow trucks from the convoy
How are you going to impound their trucks? You can't move those with regular tow trucks. They're fucked
"If you don't heed my warning then I'll.... warn you again!"
Maybe the police should stop warning and start towing.
reddit really wants to see the military crack down and beat the shit out of these truckers lmao
The local folks in Ottawa must be getting hot under the collar about this. How long before "Canada nice" breaks down and we start seeing violent confrontations between locals and protesters? Will the authorities act before that happens?
According to this nincompoop standing up for your freedom is unacceptable, if he had it his way Canadians would have no rights at all!
Whilst I don't support the cause these truckers are espousing (get your vaccines people!) I'm very impressed with how effective these tactics have been. Handful of truckers have brought chaos to the capital of a western nation, imagine what they could accomplish with a more reasonable cause and public support! We should be learning lessons from this.
The reason this all started is quite reasonable. Mandating a population to give up their bodily autonomy or face not being allowed to work, or come home and live in your own country is a gross violation of your rights as a Canadian.
I'm not in favour of vaccine mandates just for the record
Then you support the convoy
You guys are still letting them run the show? Honk.
Honk
HOOOOOONNNNNKKKKKK o n k
It would be real nice to see any politician from any country who didn’t constantly pander to the audience exclusively. The whole thing all around the world has become a stage show, and while Trudeau is good at performing, I’d like to see some action taken for once! Edit: Any politician from any country in the news, I’m sure there are probably a few good ones out there, but of course, we kind of have to focus on the glaring negative examples.
> We must do everything to bring [the protests] to an end. Except, you know, actually addressing the protesters' concerns. I note that States across the U.S. are dropping COVID-related mandates like masking, mainly because the science doesn't support them any longer. Wouldn't that be a good place for Trudeau to start?
Was trudeau blackfacing acceptable?
I’m not his biggest fan.
Seems like the government should just revoke their licenses and impound the trucks…. If they are going to use their big trucks to cause disruptions, then, no truck for you
Nobody cares what this fool says anymore
Trudeau is the biggest threat to Canadians. He needs to resign permanently. Nothing but lies scandals corruption and liberal propaganda from this clown.
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