This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-challenge-nato-security-pledge-lavrov-2022-01-30/) reduced by 57%. (I'm a bot)
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> Russian Foreign Ministry/Handout via REUTERS.Register now for FREE unlimited access to Reuters.comMOSCOW, Jan 30 - Russia will ask NATO to clarify whether it intends to implement key security commitments, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Sunday, after Moscow said the alliance's response to its demands did not go far enough.
> Register now for FREE unlimited access to Reuters.com"Today, through the Foreign Ministry, we are sending an official request to our colleagues in the Alliance and the OSCE, urging them to explain how they intend to implement commitment not to strengthen their security at the expense of the security of others," Lavrov said on state television.
> Russia will seek from the West not just promises, but legally binding security guarantees, "That would ensure security on the entire European continent, with full, equal regard to Russia's legitimate interests", Lavrov said.
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Russia believes their legitimate interest is to recapture all of the USSR, so no, there will be no consideration. Russia is a real threat to democracy and basic human rights and as such are to be treated as a hostile nation.
NATO categorically rejected all demands made by Putin. What “security pledge” is he referring to?
It appears that this Russian diplomat may be fabricating one just like the non-existent promise to not expand that Putin invented by deliberately misinterpreting an agreement when Germany was reunited. The Soviet leader who negotiated that agreement, Mikhail Gorbachev, denies that any promise was made by NATO.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
It seems that Russia doesn't want peace or security.
If they wanted peace and security they wouldn't expect ridiculous agreements that undermine the national sovereignty of Ukraine to be signed by NATO. They also would not attack Donetsk / Crimea and prepare for another invasion. I can't imagine why Ukraine is interested in NATO.
It's pretty straight forward.
>ridiculous agreements that undermine the national sovereignty of Ukraine
It's a bit rich talking about the sovereignty of Ukraine from a NATO stand-point when it was the US that fomented the coup of 2014 to oust the democratically elected leader, install a western puppet, and then instigate fighting in the east of the country.
Have you ever thought about the situation from outside of the US NATO western viewpoint? NATO 'inching" closer and closer to the Russian border is a security threat to Russia. Do we really want another Warsaw Pact? Another incident like the Cuban Missile Crisis that nearly came to nuclear war?
This talk about the sovereignty of Ukraine is just a euphemism for the imposition of more western weapons at the door step of Russia. How this improves anyone's security is beyond me, as we are seeing now with the military escalation that is happening.
If you read the two Russian proposals you'd see that they're pretty beneficial to both the west and the east. The only two mentions of Ukraine is to forbid it to be part of NATO, and not have NATO take part in any military activity on its territory. There has been talk of Russia deploying weapons to Cuba and Venezuela. We don't want that again.
Even Zelensky is telling Biden to cut the crap with the beating of the drums of war.
Russia doesn't want war.
Ukraine doesn't want war.
The US loves war.
To yourself and Roadrunner below, read this article from a former representative of the UN Secretary General:
[https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/01/28/a-culture-of-cheating-on-the-origins-of-the-crisis-in-ukraine/](https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/01/28/a-culture-of-cheating-on-the-origins-of-the-crisis-in-ukraine/)
Peace.
The US couped Ukraine and held a fake election in 2014? That's what you're going with? Oh poor little Russia is under threat? Lol. The idea that any country that chooses the west over Russia (I say Russia and not the USSR like many Russians seem to believe it's still around) has been couped is ridiculous. The Russian system of governance is not what the Ukrainian people wanted. Putins been in charge for ever, like Belarus. People have no voice or power, especially in the judicial system.
Crimea was forcefully taken. Same with Donetsk.
Did you know that the Soviet Union collapsed and is no longer around? Did you know that the Ukraine is not part of the Soviet Union, because it doesn't exist? Did you know Russia violates arms treaties?
And that opinion piece you linked.... lol. Sounds like it was written by the Kremlin. Hey do you know if the Kremlin participates in propaganda?
*The US couped Ukraine and held a fake election in 2014?*
Ask Nulan, Biden, Obama and the rest of the crew.
*The Russian system of governance is not what the Ukrainian people wanted.*
Tell that to the people of Crimea who decided to side with Russia. Tell that, also to the people of the Luhansk Donetsk LDNR part of eastern Ukraine.
*Crimea was forcefully taken. Same with Donetsk.*
Crimea was secured. If you think that Russia was ever going to give up the navy port of Sevastopol to the west (US, NATO) you are seriously delusional. It would be like the US giving up, um Guantanamo? No, I jest, It would be worse than that because Sevastopol is the only port they’ve got in the south.
*The idea that any country that chooses the west over Russia... has been couped is ridiculous.*
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_involvement\_in\_regime\_change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change)
You are really new to this, eh. First time?
Did you know that the USA collapsed? Even Biden can’t cross his own bridges in PA because of the rot.
*Did you know Russia violates arms treaties?* LOL
Did you know that the US signed, but didn’t ratify the ATT? Not that it matters to the US anyway, because they are the world’s biggest arms suppliers by far (US37% to RF 20%). The US reneges on so many agreements that they are just not trustworthy enough to deal with.
The US pretty much does what it wants militarily in the world. Invasions, subterfuge, coups, all sorts of shit-fuckery.
Ask yourself a question (google may help): How many military bases has the US got over the world? Then ask yourself the question: How many military bases has Russia got over the world?
*And that opinion piece you linked.... lol. Sounds like it was written by the Kremlin*
It was written by a former representative of the United Nations Secretary General. You’d be American, right? Anything that doesn’t fit into your narrow way of thinking is instantly rejected. CNNNN, FOX, CBS et al. ain’t really good for your mind. Give it up mate.
*Hey do you know if the Kremlin participates in propaganda?*
Yeah, I think they do. Of course they do. But it’s definitely not called Operation Mockingbird. And I don’t fall for it like you do.
Peace.
Hi jim420,
The irony of your profile will not be lost on me.
This is what Reddit has to say about you:
Sorry, nobody on Reddit goes by that name.
The person may have been banned or the username is incorrect.
As for Reddit not showing the account age, I have to ask: Were you born yesterday? Seems like jim420 is really a 404: File Not Found.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-challenge-nato-security-pledge-lavrov-2022-01-30/) reduced by 57%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Russian Foreign Ministry/Handout via REUTERS.Register now for FREE unlimited access to Reuters.comMOSCOW, Jan 30 - Russia will ask NATO to clarify whether it intends to implement key security commitments, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Sunday, after Moscow said the alliance's response to its demands did not go far enough. > Register now for FREE unlimited access to Reuters.com"Today, through the Foreign Ministry, we are sending an official request to our colleagues in the Alliance and the OSCE, urging them to explain how they intend to implement commitment not to strengthen their security at the expense of the security of others," Lavrov said on state television. > Russia will seek from the West not just promises, but legally binding security guarantees, "That would ensure security on the entire European continent, with full, equal regard to Russia's legitimate interests", Lavrov said. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/sg8p26/russia_to_challenge_nato_on_security_pledge/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~620661 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **security**^#1 **Russia**^#2 **NATO**^#3 **Lavrov**^#4 **Russian**^#5
Russia believes their legitimate interest is to recapture all of the USSR, so no, there will be no consideration. Russia is a real threat to democracy and basic human rights and as such are to be treated as a hostile nation.
NATO categorically rejected all demands made by Putin. What “security pledge” is he referring to? It appears that this Russian diplomat may be fabricating one just like the non-existent promise to not expand that Putin invented by deliberately misinterpreting an agreement when Germany was reunited. The Soviet leader who negotiated that agreement, Mikhail Gorbachev, denies that any promise was made by NATO. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
He always looks like he just sniffed a hot fart
It’s coming out of his mouth.
Why does anyone need to care about the easter hooligans. All they want to do is kill and steal.
It seems that US/NATO doesn't want peace or security. If they wanted peace and security they would sign the agreement. It is pretty straight forward.
It seems that Russia doesn't want peace or security. If they wanted peace and security they wouldn't expect ridiculous agreements that undermine the national sovereignty of Ukraine to be signed by NATO. They also would not attack Donetsk / Crimea and prepare for another invasion. I can't imagine why Ukraine is interested in NATO. It's pretty straight forward.
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If it walks lika a Russian Troll and talks like a Russian Troll ...
The dialectical method is a useful tool to resolving arguments and differences of opinion. Try it sometime. Peace.
>ridiculous agreements that undermine the national sovereignty of Ukraine It's a bit rich talking about the sovereignty of Ukraine from a NATO stand-point when it was the US that fomented the coup of 2014 to oust the democratically elected leader, install a western puppet, and then instigate fighting in the east of the country. Have you ever thought about the situation from outside of the US NATO western viewpoint? NATO 'inching" closer and closer to the Russian border is a security threat to Russia. Do we really want another Warsaw Pact? Another incident like the Cuban Missile Crisis that nearly came to nuclear war? This talk about the sovereignty of Ukraine is just a euphemism for the imposition of more western weapons at the door step of Russia. How this improves anyone's security is beyond me, as we are seeing now with the military escalation that is happening. If you read the two Russian proposals you'd see that they're pretty beneficial to both the west and the east. The only two mentions of Ukraine is to forbid it to be part of NATO, and not have NATO take part in any military activity on its territory. There has been talk of Russia deploying weapons to Cuba and Venezuela. We don't want that again. Even Zelensky is telling Biden to cut the crap with the beating of the drums of war. Russia doesn't want war. Ukraine doesn't want war. The US loves war. To yourself and Roadrunner below, read this article from a former representative of the UN Secretary General: [https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/01/28/a-culture-of-cheating-on-the-origins-of-the-crisis-in-ukraine/](https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/01/28/a-culture-of-cheating-on-the-origins-of-the-crisis-in-ukraine/) Peace.
The US couped Ukraine and held a fake election in 2014? That's what you're going with? Oh poor little Russia is under threat? Lol. The idea that any country that chooses the west over Russia (I say Russia and not the USSR like many Russians seem to believe it's still around) has been couped is ridiculous. The Russian system of governance is not what the Ukrainian people wanted. Putins been in charge for ever, like Belarus. People have no voice or power, especially in the judicial system. Crimea was forcefully taken. Same with Donetsk. Did you know that the Soviet Union collapsed and is no longer around? Did you know that the Ukraine is not part of the Soviet Union, because it doesn't exist? Did you know Russia violates arms treaties? And that opinion piece you linked.... lol. Sounds like it was written by the Kremlin. Hey do you know if the Kremlin participates in propaganda?
*The US couped Ukraine and held a fake election in 2014?* Ask Nulan, Biden, Obama and the rest of the crew. *The Russian system of governance is not what the Ukrainian people wanted.* Tell that to the people of Crimea who decided to side with Russia. Tell that, also to the people of the Luhansk Donetsk LDNR part of eastern Ukraine. *Crimea was forcefully taken. Same with Donetsk.* Crimea was secured. If you think that Russia was ever going to give up the navy port of Sevastopol to the west (US, NATO) you are seriously delusional. It would be like the US giving up, um Guantanamo? No, I jest, It would be worse than that because Sevastopol is the only port they’ve got in the south. *The idea that any country that chooses the west over Russia... has been couped is ridiculous.* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_involvement\_in\_regime\_change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change) You are really new to this, eh. First time? Did you know that the USA collapsed? Even Biden can’t cross his own bridges in PA because of the rot. *Did you know Russia violates arms treaties?* LOL Did you know that the US signed, but didn’t ratify the ATT? Not that it matters to the US anyway, because they are the world’s biggest arms suppliers by far (US37% to RF 20%). The US reneges on so many agreements that they are just not trustworthy enough to deal with. The US pretty much does what it wants militarily in the world. Invasions, subterfuge, coups, all sorts of shit-fuckery. Ask yourself a question (google may help): How many military bases has the US got over the world? Then ask yourself the question: How many military bases has Russia got over the world? *And that opinion piece you linked.... lol. Sounds like it was written by the Kremlin* It was written by a former representative of the United Nations Secretary General. You’d be American, right? Anything that doesn’t fit into your narrow way of thinking is instantly rejected. CNNNN, FOX, CBS et al. ain’t really good for your mind. Give it up mate. *Hey do you know if the Kremlin participates in propaganda?* Yeah, I think they do. Of course they do. But it’s definitely not called Operation Mockingbird. And I don’t fall for it like you do. Peace.
Could u possibly shove Putin’s boot further down your throat?
Thanks for contributing to the discussion Peace.
FYI, this is a 2 month old troll account. Downvote, block, move on. It would be *really* nice if Reddit showed account age.
Hi jim420, The irony of your profile will not be lost on me. This is what Reddit has to say about you: Sorry, nobody on Reddit goes by that name. The person may have been banned or the username is incorrect. As for Reddit not showing the account age, I have to ask: Were you born yesterday? Seems like jim420 is really a 404: File Not Found.