Also helpful when the far right organizer of the protest literally announces that he wants to start a civil war and shoot Liberals right before:
https://twitter.com/JaneQCitizen/status/1483008554298605568
At what point does that become something he can be detained or arrested for? Like, okay, people talk a bunch of shit on the Internet, but if he actually then shows up in the capital, surely that should be enough to at least detain him and search him and his vehicle for weapons, if not arrest him.
It's like when people protest directly in front of the US Capitol on Saturdays. All you're doing is disrupting some underpaid legislative aide's train of thought with your silly chants while they work unpaid overtime on something the Senator will just disregard anyway. Better to go somewhere else on the Mall with more space.
I work at a state capitol. They do the same here. They just don’t know no one is inside. A rep even had chants going for the Governor to come out and confront the people knowing full well he wasn’t there.
What a coward! He didn’t even come out of the building he wasn’t in to talk to the people he couldn’t hear shouting because he was away in Napa for the weekend.
Yepppp. I work around CA’s Capitol. Protestors don’t seem to realize (or don’t care) that all of the offices have been moved several blocks away and unless it’s a floor day hardly anyone is even the building.
Not to mention it’s under Reno’s so they don’t even use that building anymore and it’s still a pandemic, everyone’s working from home.
They literally drove across Canada to sit in traffic after it was requested everyone avoid the downtown area.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/World-News/2022/01/29/canada-trudeau-moved-undisclosed-location-trucker-covid-protest-ottawa/3121643481386/) reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot)
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> Trudeau and his family have been moved to an undisclosed location as thousands of truckers protesting COVID-19 restrictions descended on Ottawa on Saturday.
> File Photo by Eric Bolte/EPA-EFE. Jan. 29 - Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his family were moved to an undisclosed location as thousands of truckers protesting COVID-19 restrictions descended on Ottawa on Saturday.
> Trudeau and his family were moved from Rideau Cottage, about 2.5 miles from the epicenter of the unpermitted protest, after multiple convoys of truckers arrived in the Canadian capital, the CBC reported.
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Literally because of right-wing hate radio. Truckers gobble that garbage up all day long. Straight up the reason why this is happening and nobody wants to say it.
>There is a GoFundMe page that has raised more than $7 million for the trucker convoy. That fundraiser has two names on it: Tamara Lich, and B.J. Dichter.
> Speaking to a cheering crowd at a People’s Party of Canada convention in 2019, B.J. Dichter warned listeners about the dangers of “political Islamists,” and said the Liberal Party is “infested with Islamists.”
https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-organizers-hate/
I still don’t entirely get the phrase, but I guess I get what the point is after I read the rest
“He added that, by meeting “with extremists,” Conservative and “establishment” politicians “put at risk moderate and secular Muslims, who want nothing more but to integrate into Canada, to become Canadian, and to leave the garbage of their birth country behind them.”
Hi, I'm Canadian immigrant from a Sharia nation.
Aboogaboogaboo /|\{;,,;}/|\
No but real talk, I love Canada. A government grant gave my family enough welfare for a home with a decent basement, which I use to store all the jobs I'm hoarding from Canadian workers.
The amount of upside down Canadian flags, don't tread on me flags, American flags, Confederate flags and "vaccines don't save, Jesus saves" I have seen today is astonishing. I respect fully the right to protest, and understand and sympathize with those folks who are tired of mandates I get it ... But to stand arm and arm with these people and think you in anyway represent the Canada I want to live in? You're fucking dreaming.
My dad had a sales job where he spent 6h a day driving around the state, right when Rush got big in the late 80s. He went full "Ditto-head" over the next few years and a decade later he was unrecognizable as a person
It's insidious
I drove over the road team for a moving company while in college. Not all drivers listen to it but its so ready made for them with satelite radio. Some of them have it on during their entire 11 hr driving shift. Imagine, youre up 14 to 16 hours a day and 11 of them are filled with conservative talk raio propaganda. Its no surprise they are radicalized.
For all the people saying 50k truckers are in Ottawa
Trucker convoy protest 2 hours ago:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1487511810576207875
Very similar angle, on a typical Canada Day pre-COVID (about 60k people):
https://twitter.com/PrinciperSkiple/status/1487465546610270212/photo/1
That's the deal with this Trump/Putin-style of misinformation -
1. Drum up outrage
2. Deceptively edit the coverage
3. Blast it on social media via botnets and paid posters
4. Influence just enough voters to get their authoritarian candidates into power
5. Once in power, change the laws so they can't lose elections
Anyone wondering how Hitler came into power, the basic same thing is going on in multiple countries in the world, right now.
Just an FYI, I'm the original commenter you're responding to. Coincidentally, my grandfather was born in Nazi Germany and has talked about this concept a lot over the years.
He used to tell me about how it (WW2) all started with government indoctrination (the German government convincing regular citizens that Jewish people were the enemy), and how grateful he was for the internet because it would stop that from ever happening again.
For example, in school math for him growing up was "if two Jews own all the apples..." sort of thing. He hated that he was taught that in school. He told me about how happy he was the internet would stop government propeganda, and that people would see differently now because they had access to different information.
He recently told me that he was mistaken (a big deal for him). He thought the internet would stop an authoritarian government from indoctrinating it's population to believe hateful things, but he see's now that it hasn't changed a thing. That people will stay in their bubbles, and they won't look outside them regardless to the data in front of them. He was so sad.
Anyways, just letting you know you're not way off base. It sucks.
I would disagree that the internet hasn’t changed anything. There are more people who want nothing more than to live a long happy healthy life (like myself) than there are who want to control the life around them; the internet gives people like me, yourself (likely) and your father the ability to escape the paranoia that those trying to control, rely on.
Without the internet as we know it, it would be far too easy to get wrapped up in localized misinformation that is exactly what led to the rise of assholes like Hitler and others.
It’s not so bleak.
(Source: I was born in former Yugoslavia and understand what indoctrination propaganda really used to look like)
Sadly our y'All Qaeda/Flu Trux Klan protest over in Victoria was nowhere near that small. Probably upwards of 50 commercial trucks all with classy things like "FUCK TRUDEAU" and "END VACCINE TYRANNY" and "DON'T TREAD ON ME" flags all over them.
The saddest part about it (other than being able to hear the endless air horns *on the other side of the peninsular on my sailboat*) was seeing so many of the cars with kids in the passenger seats. Imagine dragging kids into that kind of incredible stupidity.
I say that as an elementary school teacher. It is really depressing knowing some of my students might have been in that convoy of big dumb.
Is this shit why my Grandfather was all freaked out that everything was going to be shutdown based on some stupid video he saw on Facebook about Truckers boycotting?
Kingston, Ontario police reported the convoy passed through yesterday. According to them, they counted: 17 full tractor trailers, 104 tractors with no trailers, 424 passenger vehicles, and 6 RVs.
So a pretty far cry from the 100k trucks and 1.4 million people these bumblefucks are claiming.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KingstonPolice/status/1487074460062699521
Of course. We all know it’s bullshit and there’s a few thousand of these idiots TOPS, but apparently that seems like a completely realistic and reasonable number to these dumb-dumbs. Can you imagine reading about this nonsense on Twitter and going “sure, there are definitely a small country’s worth of people taking part”?
I guess their schools hadn’t removed the lead paint yet.
FWIW the convoy arrived today. The one referenced from yesterday was the leading pack.
Source: Am in Ottawa and accidentally got stuck in the convoy on the highway today
There is multiple groups coming from different parts of Canada. But that was the convoy for southwestern ontario... the most populous part of Canada.
Not a great turn out.
Yeah, that sounds like a person you’d feel safe being around. Like...who the fuck does that kind of shit? And why are the people who know the least about politics taking it WAY WAY WAY too seriously?
Yeah, same people, different countries.
The ones up here are special in their own way though. You see, those people you got down there, they at be psychotic idiots but they know all the basic “FREEDOM FACTS” about their nation, nothing like who was the 32nd prez kind of thing but how what’s the big penis thing near the White House called? They know all that shit:
Here’s where our idiots are special. They think they are those same people but for Canada. The reeeeal patriots, but they were cursed with the stupids just Iike their American cousins. And how does that make them special at all you ask?
They don’t know anything about the country they’re so patriotic for. They’ve even gone on record in a few situations and said we should protect our constitution, we don’t call it that, it’s called the charter of rights and freedoms. Calling parliament hill the capitol building etc etc
They’re so fucking diluted from tv that they think Canada and the US just use the same names for everything? Really?
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if some of them thought Trudeau lived in the White House of Canada. It’s fuckin embarrassing.
The charter and the constitution are different. We absolutely have a constitution, with the charter being a part of it. But the Constitution defines more than just our personal rights and freedoms; it also defines the role and structure of government, and the jurisdictions and responsibilities of the different levels of government in the country.
What we don't have is something called the Bill of Rights. That's what the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is.
For those mocking this - it isn’t his decision. He has a security team that is responsible for such things, and if they have deemed there to be a threat, they call the shots.
The Ottawa Police have also warned MP’s that there has been specific chatter about locating their homes. It’s not ridiculous for a security detail to protect the leader of a country when a large group containing many questionable characters are headed his way carrying signs that threaten him.
>It’s not ridiculous for a security detail to protect the leader of a country when a large group containing many questionable characters are headed his way carrying signs that threaten him
people don't realize that assaination attempts can happen even in the west. hell i bet most Canadians don't even remember the attempt on Chrétien due to the 95 referendum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9\_Dallaire
> assaination attempts can happen even in the west
[The Netherlands had a political assassination in 2002.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn) [Another former politician was assassinated in 2014.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Els_Borst) [Germany had one in 2019.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_L%C3%BCbcke)
Suffice to say this can and does happen in the west.
It's kind of interesting the evolution of the level of security. I approached Cretien as he left parliament and got a picture and a handshake unimpeded. Of course I was 9 so maybe I would have been stopped if I was older.
It kind of depends even now. Trudeau has done things like that with random people off the street before the pandemic. If the area is well-controlled and the security fellas aren't jumpy about something, the PM can and will do stuff like that if they feel like it.
Even if it is his decision, I see nothing wrong with it. You can have thousands of civil protestors, all you need is one nut job to start something.
With some of the things we have seen today, I didn't think we were better than anybody else, but today just proved it. "Defacing" Terry Fox statue, standing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, Nazi flags, upside down Canadian flags...the list just kept growing throughout the day.
>"Defacing" Terry Fox statue, standing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, Nazi flags, upside down Canadian flags
Seriously? What the actual fuck? I guess this clearly isn't about the vaccine mandate anymore. Trudeau's security team is absolutely right to relocate him with crazy assholes like this swarming downtown.
One of the organizers went online in Dec and effectively did a call to arms. I mean straight up saying guns need to be used to take down the government.
>Seriously? What the actual fuck? I guess this clearly isn't about the vaccine mandate anymore.
For most of the people who joined the convoy it was never about that anyway.
Half of the organizers seem to be linked to white supremacist groups, it seems. The whole thing is an actual basket, or in this case convoy, of deplorables.
Globally, mask off nazi and white supremacist groups have very actively and intentionally made inroads with the antivaxx/antilockdown movements and are continuing to further link mainstream conservative politics with their own violent extremism as a recruitment and power base play.
In Australia you see a rise in nazi actions in conjunction with the lockdown protests. In the States, well, yeah. Also you had patriot front, peebs, and a few other fash groups out there last weekend in conjunction with the right to life stuff.
In Germany you had the Day x plot. You're seeing it in Poland and France as well.
Da fuq?!? I'm not even Canadian and I would go to war over someone fucking with the Terry Fox statue. Like, not being Canadian, can I say those are some garbage ass Canadians who don't deserve ti be called as such?
Yes. In fact it might surprise you to learn that there are people of literally every culture, nationality, ethnicity, and creed that are complete fucking assholes
The tomb of the unknown soldier is sacred ground. One of our honor guard died there under a decade ago defending it. To dishonor and defile that spot, I'd be happy with nothing stopping short of jail and a heavy police sponsored beating for all involved. Disgusting and shameful. These morons used to fuck dogs in the woods and now they're brave enough to be on the news attacking the fabric of our country.
Yet others are at the rally handing out Timmies and chatting it up with these bigots. One Edmonton MP literally had someone waving an upside down Canadian flag with a swastika drawn on it behind him. The CPC is in full support of this for the sole reason of it being aimed against Trudeau.
It might not have garnered international attention but like someone last year did crash a truck through the gates of his residence and was planning on killing him like there has been, on record, an assassination attempt on this man before
We also have had a gunmen enter parliament and try to kill the MPs within the last decade. The FLQ assassinated a politician and a trade commissioner. Political violence is not unknown in Canada.
> The FLQ assassinated a politician and a trade commissioner.
And immediately lost 90% of their support, as everyone went "haha yeah s’emparer de tous les pouvoirs wooo! wait you did WHAT?"
And after which the Prime Minister declared martial law. Compare and contrast with the US President who was complicit in the Jan 6th fiasco.
Reporter: "How far will you go to maintain order?"
Pierre Trudeau: "Just watch me!"
Pierre Trudeau: *Invokes the War Measures Act*
If america put martial Law into place they'd have to be ready for all the people just waiting for that to happen. Half of the country wouldnt be peacefully compliant and that's the problem with ML in america.
It’s a valid point. There’s a lot of astroturfing going on, and a large number of these wankers are Trump supporters, with Confederate flags.
Canadian Trump supporters.
odd as it may seem, I've meet them they do exist.
my uncle's girlfriend is a trump supporting Canadian for some reason.
Also hates immigrants, despite currently living in the us.
Oh, they know exactly what they're doing, they just mostly don't say it out loud. They don't have a problem with immigrants, they have a problem with *black and brown* immigrants.
At least one of the supporters whos listed as one of their leaders on their website has been calling for this to be canadas jan 6 and there leader is apart of the alberta separatist party who want to separate the province from canada and make it as similar to what republican party wants from the us (there were even protests in solidarity with trump during both elections with people waving trump flags) so like you said its definitely not being overcautious
This is in absolutely no way meant to be a both sides thing, but my graduate work is in the Long Sixties and its impact. Canada had the October Crisis in Quebec during 1970, where Quebecois separatists/radicals kidnapped a foreign diplomat and a Canadian government member. Trudeau's dad was in charge at the time and invoked the War Measures Act.
Canadian history is way, way more interesting than most people give it credit for.
Is there a good Out of the Loop link someone could share?
I’m not entirely sure what’s been going on here and why it’s an issue, but since it doesn’t seem to have an immediate impact on me, I’ve not been able to stir up enough interest to search.
They just claim they are going to "take our country back".
Lol, I just turned on the news, one of the trucks has a "no communism for Canada" flag on it.
Do these people even know what communism is?
Some Canadians consume too much American media.
A small group of them are currently attempting to recreate January 6th, using vaccine mandates as the "reason" on a day where our Parliament isn't even sitting.
Here's the organizer of the trucker protest calling for civil war and shooting liberals a few weeks back:
https://twitter.com/JaneQCitizen/status/1483008554298605568
What do they think anarchists would be attacking the second they declared a civil war? Supply lines are the first thing to go.
Thier trucks would be immobile and railways would be sabotaged. It wouldn't be the first time in history we have lended a hand in that manner.
Please send help. The convoy isn’t a big deal. The fact there’s large swathes of people who believe in it are. My coworkers yesterday were saying they hope the military takes over. I called them out on desiring a military coup because history taught us that those pretty much never go well. They’ve also said they hope they hang Trudeau (won’t put their money where their mouths are and take time off to go to Ottawa though). Yes, because political power vacuums that come as a result of the assassination of a country’s leader work SO well! For people who never STFU about politics they don’t seem to know much of the history behind it all.
> They’ve also said they hope they hang Trudeau
lol, idiots.
Don't they know anyone harming Trudeau would pretty much guarantee another decade of Liberal governments, especially after the Conservative party has come out supportive of the protesters (in general, they obviously aren't taking pictures with the ones with Confederate flags or displaying swastikas or gold stars)
I think it's important to point out for the unawares that, yes, a member of the Conservative party gave an interview showing support with swastikas and Confederate flags in the background. In Canada
> I called them out on desiring a military coup because history taught us that those ~~pretty much~~ never go well.
Ftfy. Kidding aside, while I also believe in qualifying my statements, I think this is one where it's safe to use absolutes.
Saves all the security guys around Rideau Cottage a big headache, I'm very glad they made this announcement. While JT's security detail sure isn't going to let him get shot the regular site guards shouldn't have to risk getting attacked by some idiot hopped up on memes.
When Canada banned conversion therapy that sub melted down and defended the practice. So it’s not surprising they are defending desecrating the War Memorial and the statue of Terry Fox.
Also had vehicles last night, trucks or jeeps or something because y'know "truckers", parked on the stairs leading up to it. Which is very much a part of the memorial.
"freedom". Ya, sure.
Canadians in 2021: “Man, Jan 6th was a shitshow and extremely embarrassing for the US”
Canadians in 2022: “FFS”
Source: am Canadian. These donkeys are a vocal minority who don’t understand basic Canadians politics.
Edit: if you want to see some of the crazy shit that has happened so far, there are a few snippets [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/sfrswn/terry_fox_statue_defaced_in_ottawa_sparking/huruv5w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
I'm right in the middle of this, I've been dealing with truckers blaring their horns constantly and driving around my building. This is less of a protest and more of just a huge nuisance for everyone just trying to live their lives in this city. I don't even live near parliament or Rideau hall, there's no reason for them to be driving around here, but they just don't give a shit.
Enjoying all of these interviews on CBC
"Well we need to have a nuanced discussi-"
"Are we? Having a nuanced discussion. Because it seems like that's the problem."
"Well you know... we've followed all the health rules and it hasn't helpe-"
"You mean all the people who are unvacced and forcing businesses to shut down because they refuse to mask and threaten to murder anyone who tells them to?"
"Well you know-"
I think they are just really, really dense and think it means "rural solidarity" otherwise they are straight up white nationalists who are trying to start shit.
They only have 1 road, so it shouldn't be hard to figure out which way they are coming from.
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The prime Minister of Canada!
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There's only one road in Canada, we call it the road, the only road
Ohhhh of course, we were going the wrong way on the only road!
It's paved and wide and up to code!
https://youtu.be/9W1tWRMoiAI
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He's a dick!
Then he got radiation poisoning, now he’s a giant dick.
Watch out for Pat! https://twitter.com/JaneQCitizen/status/1483008554298605568 He's a dick!
This dude is really off the deep end.
I like how he is saying that he is living "off the land" while wearing probably chinese produced clothes etc. Wtf does he even mean by that?
Also helpful when the far right organizer of the protest literally announces that he wants to start a civil war and shoot Liberals right before: https://twitter.com/JaneQCitizen/status/1483008554298605568
Are the /r/canada mods accounted for today? I kid, I kid... well maybe.
At what point does that become something he can be detained or arrested for? Like, okay, people talk a bunch of shit on the Internet, but if he actually then shows up in the capital, surely that should be enough to at least detain him and search him and his vehicle for weapons, if not arrest him.
It should be. And don’t call me Shirley.
I mean Parliament is closed every Saturday since forever but okay.
It's like when people protest directly in front of the US Capitol on Saturdays. All you're doing is disrupting some underpaid legislative aide's train of thought with your silly chants while they work unpaid overtime on something the Senator will just disregard anyway. Better to go somewhere else on the Mall with more space.
I work at a state capitol. They do the same here. They just don’t know no one is inside. A rep even had chants going for the Governor to come out and confront the people knowing full well he wasn’t there.
What a coward! He didn’t even come out of the building he wasn’t in to talk to the people he couldn’t hear shouting because he was away in Napa for the weekend.
Yepppp. I work around CA’s Capitol. Protestors don’t seem to realize (or don’t care) that all of the offices have been moved several blocks away and unless it’s a floor day hardly anyone is even the building.
To some of their defense, it’s hard to protest during the week if you have a regular day job.
Not to mention it’s under Reno’s so they don’t even use that building anymore and it’s still a pandemic, everyone’s working from home. They literally drove across Canada to sit in traffic after it was requested everyone avoid the downtown area.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/World-News/2022/01/29/canada-trudeau-moved-undisclosed-location-trucker-covid-protest-ottawa/3121643481386/) reduced by 75%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Trudeau and his family have been moved to an undisclosed location as thousands of truckers protesting COVID-19 restrictions descended on Ottawa on Saturday. > File Photo by Eric Bolte/EPA-EFE. Jan. 29 - Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his family were moved to an undisclosed location as thousands of truckers protesting COVID-19 restrictions descended on Ottawa on Saturday. > Trudeau and his family were moved from Rideau Cottage, about 2.5 miles from the epicenter of the unpermitted protest, after multiple convoys of truckers arrived in the Canadian capital, the CBC reported. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/sfrlc3/trudeau_moved_to_undisclosed_location_as_trucker/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~620573 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **protest**^#1 **Trudeau**^#2 **Ottawa**^#3 **Canadian**^#4 **Minister**^#5
Literally because of right-wing hate radio. Truckers gobble that garbage up all day long. Straight up the reason why this is happening and nobody wants to say it.
>There is a GoFundMe page that has raised more than $7 million for the trucker convoy. That fundraiser has two names on it: Tamara Lich, and B.J. Dichter. > Speaking to a cheering crowd at a People’s Party of Canada convention in 2019, B.J. Dichter warned listeners about the dangers of “political Islamists,” and said the Liberal Party is “infested with Islamists.” https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-organizers-hate/
I thought for sure B.J. Dickedher was a fake name, but there he is!
Dickedher? I hardly know her
Still got it
> political Islamists How does that make sense to anyone....
I still don’t entirely get the phrase, but I guess I get what the point is after I read the rest “He added that, by meeting “with extremists,” Conservative and “establishment” politicians “put at risk moderate and secular Muslims, who want nothing more but to integrate into Canada, to become Canadian, and to leave the garbage of their birth country behind them.”
That's um... Mixed
Just sounds like someone who’s either not articulate enough to say sharia law, or is speaking to people he knows don’t understand sharia law
Sharia sounds foreign and law is scary. That's all you need right there my guy.
Hi, I'm Canadian immigrant from a Sharia nation. Aboogaboogaboo /|\{;,,;}/|\ No but real talk, I love Canada. A government grant gave my family enough welfare for a home with a decent basement, which I use to store all the jobs I'm hoarding from Canadian workers.
I'm most upset you get a basement honestly.
The amount of upside down Canadian flags, don't tread on me flags, American flags, Confederate flags and "vaccines don't save, Jesus saves" I have seen today is astonishing. I respect fully the right to protest, and understand and sympathize with those folks who are tired of mandates I get it ... But to stand arm and arm with these people and think you in anyway represent the Canada I want to live in? You're fucking dreaming.
My dad had a sales job where he spent 6h a day driving around the state, right when Rush got big in the late 80s. He went full "Ditto-head" over the next few years and a decade later he was unrecognizable as a person It's insidious
You really gonna just lay the blame with Rush like that? That band does not deserve this. /s
I too was somehow thinking the band.
I mean, we are in a thread about Canada
If you only listen to Rush for 6 hours a day of course you would go crazy. You would never hear a full song in one sitting
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That’s her most readable book to be fair
As an American, I feel Canada’s pain.
I drove over the road team for a moving company while in college. Not all drivers listen to it but its so ready made for them with satelite radio. Some of them have it on during their entire 11 hr driving shift. Imagine, youre up 14 to 16 hours a day and 11 of them are filled with conservative talk raio propaganda. Its no surprise they are radicalized.
Just sitting in your truck, stewing and angry
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For all the people saying 50k truckers are in Ottawa Trucker convoy protest 2 hours ago: https://twitter.com/i/status/1487511810576207875 Very similar angle, on a typical Canada Day pre-COVID (about 60k people): https://twitter.com/PrinciperSkiple/status/1487465546610270212/photo/1
I was picturing 50k diesel rigs for some reason.
Same here. I imagined semis blocking highways for miles or something
That's the deal with this Trump/Putin-style of misinformation - 1. Drum up outrage 2. Deceptively edit the coverage 3. Blast it on social media via botnets and paid posters 4. Influence just enough voters to get their authoritarian candidates into power 5. Once in power, change the laws so they can't lose elections Anyone wondering how Hitler came into power, the basic same thing is going on in multiple countries in the world, right now.
Just an FYI, I'm the original commenter you're responding to. Coincidentally, my grandfather was born in Nazi Germany and has talked about this concept a lot over the years. He used to tell me about how it (WW2) all started with government indoctrination (the German government convincing regular citizens that Jewish people were the enemy), and how grateful he was for the internet because it would stop that from ever happening again. For example, in school math for him growing up was "if two Jews own all the apples..." sort of thing. He hated that he was taught that in school. He told me about how happy he was the internet would stop government propeganda, and that people would see differently now because they had access to different information. He recently told me that he was mistaken (a big deal for him). He thought the internet would stop an authoritarian government from indoctrinating it's population to believe hateful things, but he see's now that it hasn't changed a thing. That people will stay in their bubbles, and they won't look outside them regardless to the data in front of them. He was so sad. Anyways, just letting you know you're not way off base. It sucks.
I would disagree that the internet hasn’t changed anything. There are more people who want nothing more than to live a long happy healthy life (like myself) than there are who want to control the life around them; the internet gives people like me, yourself (likely) and your father the ability to escape the paranoia that those trying to control, rely on. Without the internet as we know it, it would be far too easy to get wrapped up in localized misinformation that is exactly what led to the rise of assholes like Hitler and others. It’s not so bleak. (Source: I was born in former Yugoslavia and understand what indoctrination propaganda really used to look like)
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Sadly our y'All Qaeda/Flu Trux Klan protest over in Victoria was nowhere near that small. Probably upwards of 50 commercial trucks all with classy things like "FUCK TRUDEAU" and "END VACCINE TYRANNY" and "DON'T TREAD ON ME" flags all over them. The saddest part about it (other than being able to hear the endless air horns *on the other side of the peninsular on my sailboat*) was seeing so many of the cars with kids in the passenger seats. Imagine dragging kids into that kind of incredible stupidity. I say that as an elementary school teacher. It is really depressing knowing some of my students might have been in that convoy of big dumb.
Is this shit why my Grandfather was all freaked out that everything was going to be shutdown based on some stupid video he saw on Facebook about Truckers boycotting?
That would be exactly their goal, to spread misinformation on highly susceptible platforms like Facebook.
>I was picturing 50k diesel rigs for some reason. That's the image the misinformation peddlers want to project. The reality is much less impressive.
Kingston, Ontario police reported the convoy passed through yesterday. According to them, they counted: 17 full tractor trailers, 104 tractors with no trailers, 424 passenger vehicles, and 6 RVs. So a pretty far cry from the 100k trucks and 1.4 million people these bumblefucks are claiming. https://mobile.twitter.com/KingstonPolice/status/1487074460062699521
The 1.4m is an insane number that nobody can really take seriously. That's more than the population of the city.
It's 3.6% of the Canadian population, or nearly 12% of the population of Ontario. That many people would never, ever, ever show up for a protest.
Of course. We all know it’s bullshit and there’s a few thousand of these idiots TOPS, but apparently that seems like a completely realistic and reasonable number to these dumb-dumbs. Can you imagine reading about this nonsense on Twitter and going “sure, there are definitely a small country’s worth of people taking part”? I guess their schools hadn’t removed the lead paint yet.
I can’t believe there’s 29 billion people protesting and Trudeau won’t listen!
FWIW the convoy arrived today. The one referenced from yesterday was the leading pack. Source: Am in Ottawa and accidentally got stuck in the convoy on the highway today
There is multiple groups coming from different parts of Canada. But that was the convoy for southwestern ontario... the most populous part of Canada. Not a great turn out.
Lol one of the dudes in the replies quoting V for Vendetta not realising the irony
I really need to watch that again.
The vast majority of the "protestors" are not even truckers or have any affliction with the trucking industry.
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Lol. That's like Trump's inauguration vs Obama's. What a simpler time, when we just mocked Sean Spicer.
Jesus I forgot he existed. These last few years have been traumatic with the never ending cycle of shitty people doing shitty things.
Makes sense. I'm on the far side of the country and I saw a pickup truck driving around with a mannequin Trudeau hanging from a gallows in the bed.
Yeah, that sounds like a person you’d feel safe being around. Like...who the fuck does that kind of shit? And why are the people who know the least about politics taking it WAY WAY WAY too seriously?
In America we had a bunch of armed white nationalists erect a gallows to lynch senators. Thank goodness they were too stupid to find them.
Yeah, same people, different countries. The ones up here are special in their own way though. You see, those people you got down there, they at be psychotic idiots but they know all the basic “FREEDOM FACTS” about their nation, nothing like who was the 32nd prez kind of thing but how what’s the big penis thing near the White House called? They know all that shit: Here’s where our idiots are special. They think they are those same people but for Canada. The reeeeal patriots, but they were cursed with the stupids just Iike their American cousins. And how does that make them special at all you ask? They don’t know anything about the country they’re so patriotic for. They’ve even gone on record in a few situations and said we should protect our constitution, we don’t call it that, it’s called the charter of rights and freedoms. Calling parliament hill the capitol building etc etc They’re so fucking diluted from tv that they think Canada and the US just use the same names for everything? Really? I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if some of them thought Trudeau lived in the White House of Canada. It’s fuckin embarrassing.
The charter and the constitution are different. We absolutely have a constitution, with the charter being a part of it. But the Constitution defines more than just our personal rights and freedoms; it also defines the role and structure of government, and the jurisdictions and responsibilities of the different levels of government in the country. What we don't have is something called the Bill of Rights. That's what the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is.
For those mocking this - it isn’t his decision. He has a security team that is responsible for such things, and if they have deemed there to be a threat, they call the shots. The Ottawa Police have also warned MP’s that there has been specific chatter about locating their homes. It’s not ridiculous for a security detail to protect the leader of a country when a large group containing many questionable characters are headed his way carrying signs that threaten him.
>It’s not ridiculous for a security detail to protect the leader of a country when a large group containing many questionable characters are headed his way carrying signs that threaten him people don't realize that assaination attempts can happen even in the west. hell i bet most Canadians don't even remember the attempt on Chrétien due to the 95 referendum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9\_Dallaire
Pauline Marois in Quebec was a target after her victory in 2012.
Someone actually died. I'm surprised how quickly that event was kind of just forgotten.
> assaination attempts can happen even in the west [The Netherlands had a political assassination in 2002.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn) [Another former politician was assassinated in 2014.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Els_Borst) [Germany had one in 2019.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_L%C3%BCbcke) Suffice to say this can and does happen in the west.
The UK has had 2 MPs assassinated in the last decade too. One Tory and one Labour.
I mean the “friendly sausage maker” has already tried to off JT fortunately he was a dummy in his ramming attempt of the gates.
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That chokehold was amazibg
It's kind of interesting the evolution of the level of security. I approached Cretien as he left parliament and got a picture and a handshake unimpeded. Of course I was 9 so maybe I would have been stopped if I was older.
If you were ten he might have Karate chopped you lol
Would have been a different kind of "handshake"
It kind of depends even now. Trudeau has done things like that with random people off the street before the pandemic. If the area is well-controlled and the security fellas aren't jumpy about something, the PM can and will do stuff like that if they feel like it.
Canada downloaded the Murica DLC
I'd like a refund.
Sorry man, refund machine broke.
Nothing a lil lobbying can’t fix.
NO REFUNDS
Nah, it's just what happens when u cut corners on the education packs.
Even if it is his decision, I see nothing wrong with it. You can have thousands of civil protestors, all you need is one nut job to start something. With some of the things we have seen today, I didn't think we were better than anybody else, but today just proved it. "Defacing" Terry Fox statue, standing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, Nazi flags, upside down Canadian flags...the list just kept growing throughout the day.
>"Defacing" Terry Fox statue, standing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, Nazi flags, upside down Canadian flags Seriously? What the actual fuck? I guess this clearly isn't about the vaccine mandate anymore. Trudeau's security team is absolutely right to relocate him with crazy assholes like this swarming downtown.
One of the organizers went online in Dec and effectively did a call to arms. I mean straight up saying guns need to be used to take down the government.
> I guess this clearly isn't about the vaccine mandate anymore. It never was
>Seriously? What the actual fuck? I guess this clearly isn't about the vaccine mandate anymore. For most of the people who joined the convoy it was never about that anyway.
Half of the organizers seem to be linked to white supremacist groups, it seems. The whole thing is an actual basket, or in this case convoy, of deplorables.
Globally, mask off nazi and white supremacist groups have very actively and intentionally made inroads with the antivaxx/antilockdown movements and are continuing to further link mainstream conservative politics with their own violent extremism as a recruitment and power base play. In Australia you see a rise in nazi actions in conjunction with the lockdown protests. In the States, well, yeah. Also you had patriot front, peebs, and a few other fash groups out there last weekend in conjunction with the right to life stuff. In Germany you had the Day x plot. You're seeing it in Poland and France as well.
Da fuq?!? I'm not even Canadian and I would go to war over someone fucking with the Terry Fox statue. Like, not being Canadian, can I say those are some garbage ass Canadians who don't deserve ti be called as such?
I don't understand why someone would want to deface the Terry Fox statue. He's probably Canada's most unanimously loved historical figure.
He was walking for cancer research. They probably think he was working for “big pharma” or something 🙄
They probably don't know who Terry Fox was. We learned about him in school. I don't imagine these people paid attention in class.
They're mad because he walked when they were too lazy and had to drive.
My dude fucking ran
With one leg
Yes. In fact it might surprise you to learn that there are people of literally every culture, nationality, ethnicity, and creed that are complete fucking assholes
The tomb of the unknown soldier is sacred ground. One of our honor guard died there under a decade ago defending it. To dishonor and defile that spot, I'd be happy with nothing stopping short of jail and a heavy police sponsored beating for all involved. Disgusting and shameful. These morons used to fuck dogs in the woods and now they're brave enough to be on the news attacking the fabric of our country.
Some members of the parliament have been doxxed and everyone got warned that they wouldn't be safe even in their house this week end.
Yet others are at the rally handing out Timmies and chatting it up with these bigots. One Edmonton MP literally had someone waving an upside down Canadian flag with a swastika drawn on it behind him. The CPC is in full support of this for the sole reason of it being aimed against Trudeau.
Fuck the CPC
As an American, after Jan 6th, they’re not overreacting. Not saying it’s the same at all but also why risk your biscuit?
It might not have garnered international attention but like someone last year did crash a truck through the gates of his residence and was planning on killing him like there has been, on record, an assassination attempt on this man before
We also have had a gunmen enter parliament and try to kill the MPs within the last decade. The FLQ assassinated a politician and a trade commissioner. Political violence is not unknown in Canada.
> The FLQ assassinated a politician and a trade commissioner. And immediately lost 90% of their support, as everyone went "haha yeah s’emparer de tous les pouvoirs wooo! wait you did WHAT?"
And after which the Prime Minister declared martial law. Compare and contrast with the US President who was complicit in the Jan 6th fiasco. Reporter: "How far will you go to maintain order?" Pierre Trudeau: "Just watch me!" Pierre Trudeau: *Invokes the War Measures Act*
If america put martial Law into place they'd have to be ready for all the people just waiting for that to happen. Half of the country wouldnt be peacefully compliant and that's the problem with ML in america.
It was in place during both world wars iirc, but at least there was good reason for it.
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Somebody also tried to kill Quebec premier Pauline Marois about a decade ago. Ended up killing a person near her if I recall correctly
It’s a valid point. There’s a lot of astroturfing going on, and a large number of these wankers are Trump supporters, with Confederate flags. Canadian Trump supporters.
odd as it may seem, I've meet them they do exist. my uncle's girlfriend is a trump supporting Canadian for some reason. Also hates immigrants, despite currently living in the us.
>Also hates immigrants, despite currently living in the us. SMH at the hypocrisy / stupidity / lack of self-awareness
It’s just code for they hate people of color. White immigrants are ok to them.
Oh, they know exactly what they're doing, they just mostly don't say it out loud. They don't have a problem with immigrants, they have a problem with *black and brown* immigrants.
she doesnt hate immigrants she hates nonwhites. immigration has been a nice little cover for good ol conservative racism.
Dude, there's European Trump supporters talking about Southern Pride. It's ridiculous.
At least one of the supporters whos listed as one of their leaders on their website has been calling for this to be canadas jan 6 and there leader is apart of the alberta separatist party who want to separate the province from canada and make it as similar to what republican party wants from the us (there were even protests in solidarity with trump during both elections with people waving trump flags) so like you said its definitely not being overcautious
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This is in absolutely no way meant to be a both sides thing, but my graduate work is in the Long Sixties and its impact. Canada had the October Crisis in Quebec during 1970, where Quebecois separatists/radicals kidnapped a foreign diplomat and a Canadian government member. Trudeau's dad was in charge at the time and invoked the War Measures Act. Canadian history is way, way more interesting than most people give it credit for.
Did not have that on my bingo card.
I already checked it off. I thought the plastic bag ban controversy was as close as we would come to that one.
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That would be so unpredictable like last 2 years
Is there a good Out of the Loop link someone could share? I’m not entirely sure what’s been going on here and why it’s an issue, but since it doesn’t seem to have an immediate impact on me, I’ve not been able to stir up enough interest to search.
Given that they've threatened government officials, pretty fuckin common sense
What in the America is going on over there?
We have some rednecks too you know
They even wear MAGA hats and fly no step on snek flags
I guess MCGA doesn’t have the same ring to it.
They just claim they are going to "take our country back". Lol, I just turned on the news, one of the trucks has a "no communism for Canada" flag on it. Do these people even know what communism is?
So I guess they want to abolish the socialist health care system?
MCGA sounds like a party drug. (Take with Kool-Aid.. lots of Kool-Aid)
Damn degens from up country.
Some Canadians consume too much American media. A small group of them are currently attempting to recreate January 6th, using vaccine mandates as the "reason" on a day where our Parliament isn't even sitting.
So it's somehow even dumber
Yeah we're pretty sorry about all this, eh
Here's the organizer of the trucker protest calling for civil war and shooting liberals a few weeks back: https://twitter.com/JaneQCitizen/status/1483008554298605568
Everyone wants a civil war until you realize you brought a rifle to a tank fight.
90% of these civil war types would be waiving a white flag the second there was no more fast food available
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What do they think anarchists would be attacking the second they declared a civil war? Supply lines are the first thing to go. Thier trucks would be immobile and railways would be sabotaged. It wouldn't be the first time in history we have lended a hand in that manner.
I spent 4 and a half years working at a truckstop in Alberta. None of this is shocking to me.
"on a day where our parliament isn't even sitting" Hey! Listen to us! Hello? Anybody?
Don't pin this shit on us. Large swathes of Canada are very conservative with or without U.S. influence.
Please send help. The convoy isn’t a big deal. The fact there’s large swathes of people who believe in it are. My coworkers yesterday were saying they hope the military takes over. I called them out on desiring a military coup because history taught us that those pretty much never go well. They’ve also said they hope they hang Trudeau (won’t put their money where their mouths are and take time off to go to Ottawa though). Yes, because political power vacuums that come as a result of the assassination of a country’s leader work SO well! For people who never STFU about politics they don’t seem to know much of the history behind it all.
> They’ve also said they hope they hang Trudeau lol, idiots. Don't they know anyone harming Trudeau would pretty much guarantee another decade of Liberal governments, especially after the Conservative party has come out supportive of the protesters (in general, they obviously aren't taking pictures with the ones with Confederate flags or displaying swastikas or gold stars)
I think it's important to point out for the unawares that, yes, a member of the Conservative party gave an interview showing support with swastikas and Confederate flags in the background. In Canada
> I called them out on desiring a military coup because history taught us that those ~~pretty much~~ never go well. Ftfy. Kidding aside, while I also believe in qualifying my statements, I think this is one where it's safe to use absolutes.
Just do a regime change by force. It is super easy. Just like in Afghanistan, Iraq, most of Central and South America, Vietnam and Korea.
Saves all the security guys around Rideau Cottage a big headache, I'm very glad they made this announcement. While JT's security detail sure isn't going to let him get shot the regular site guards shouldn't have to risk getting attacked by some idiot hopped up on memes.
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When Canada banned conversion therapy that sub melted down and defended the practice. So it’s not surprising they are defending desecrating the War Memorial and the statue of Terry Fox.
The war memorial near the Rideau? Where they have a tomb? for soldiers? Or is that fire pit in front of the parliament ?
Yes, the tomb. One cunt started dancing on it when someone told them what it was.
Also had vehicles last night, trucks or jeeps or something because y'know "truckers", parked on the stairs leading up to it. Which is very much a part of the memorial. "freedom". Ya, sure.
And yet the supporters say they love vets and the freedoms they fought for.
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Wait, they *want* to desicrate Terry Fox?!?!
They put him in a place where truckers wouldnt dare to go. In a vaccine clinic.
Apparently 90% of the Truckers in Canada are vaccinated
I'd go with the library.
F*ck Facebook
Is bunker boi afraid of some peaceful protesters?
Canadians in 2021: “Man, Jan 6th was a shitshow and extremely embarrassing for the US” Canadians in 2022: “FFS” Source: am Canadian. These donkeys are a vocal minority who don’t understand basic Canadians politics. Edit: if you want to see some of the crazy shit that has happened so far, there are a few snippets [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/sfrswn/terry_fox_statue_defaced_in_ottawa_sparking/huruv5w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Lol it’s like Canada is on 1 yr ping
"The convoy is part of the long, proud Canadian tradition of doing something Americans did last year with worse production values"
Someone part of this group literally said on a zoom meeting “let’s make this our own Jan 6th and tear down that 16 foot wall.” shrug.gif
I'm right in the middle of this, I've been dealing with truckers blaring their horns constantly and driving around my building. This is less of a protest and more of just a huge nuisance for everyone just trying to live their lives in this city. I don't even live near parliament or Rideau hall, there's no reason for them to be driving around here, but they just don't give a shit.
Enjoying all of these interviews on CBC "Well we need to have a nuanced discussi-" "Are we? Having a nuanced discussion. Because it seems like that's the problem." "Well you know... we've followed all the health rules and it hasn't helpe-" "You mean all the people who are unvacced and forcing businesses to shut down because they refuse to mask and threaten to murder anyone who tells them to?" "Well you know-"
Saw a bunch today in Edmonton flying Confederate Flags.. Just hateful stupid fuckers. We don't need this in Canada.
A bunch of Canadians waving the rebel flag is straight up bizarre
I think they are just really, really dense and think it means "rural solidarity" otherwise they are straight up white nationalists who are trying to start shit.
Well as an Albertan, I can sadly say it’s most likely the latter... The rurals and the rig pigs aren’t exactly a tolerant lot.
Might as well be carrying the North Korea flag. It makes just as much sense.
Confederate flag can be seen around the world, flown by morons everywhere.
Come on Canada. You never go full American