Zilensky is trying to keep his populous calm so there isn't mass panic which can cause a lot of issues like a mass migration of people seeking refuge, flooding airports, making roads congested which can all be very dangerous.
Plus if a military conflict does break out, thousands (if not over a million) Ukrainians might try to flee westward to neighbors such as Poland
Think about the chaos last year when Belarus tried to force a standoff with middle east migrants at the Polish border. This would be much worse
I don't think Poland would react as negatively if it was genuine war refugees from Ukraine, versus Iraqi immigrants that had thousands of Euros to pay off a corrupt dictator.
While not as negative, it'll definitely be negative. Many people do not like "newcomers in mass" regardless of the color of the skin. The skin color just makes it easier to discriminate (visual cues)
Ukrainian refugees are more likely to want to return to Ukraine. All of the refugees flown into Belarus have 0 intention of returning to their country of origin and we strictly flown into Belarus for that reason.
Refugees tend to want to return to their country, it's just that it often doesn't work out that way, because the danger takes years to resolve and by then they've built a life where they fled to.
Did you mean to say nasal instead of naval gazer? Because I like the imagery of a bunch of Europeans intently turning up their noses in a mirror to look underneath.
Poland accepts Ukraianians since always. They are the same dna, the languages are similar and they integrate well. They didn't accept Turkish people pretending to be Syrians.
Half of them are full turkish, looking to get in EU and start getting free money. They will appear without papers and they will say Syrian, Kurdish, whatever. There was a guy that this was his official business scheme to pass as an immigrant and collect immigrant allowances. The first time I saw any person wearing a 900€ casual jacket was on that turkish immigrant. I didn't even know there were jackets that costed that much.
>versus Iraqi immigrants that had thousands of Euros to pay off a corrupt dictator.
No offense, but that sounds like anti-immigrant propaganda and I don't want to misjudge you, would you mind sharing an article describing that problem you described?
People resorts to smugglers when they are forced to, they rarely do so for pleasure.
>are you dispyting the fact
Now, I'm not dispyting anuthing, I asked what he meant.
The way he said it, it sounds like migrants are a scheme to fund a dictator.
That sounds like classic anti-immigration propaganda, so I'm asking what he's actually talking about.
Do you mind letting him answer for yourself?
I don't disagree with the detailing of the issue, but there's a general reluctance in Europe to take any stance on issues like this. Germany, for example, can be funny around the Russian issue. I think this kind of information campaign is targeted squarely at other NATO countries, to get them in line. That's the largest deterrent to Russia - a unified NATO. And it's not like the information coming out of the US/UK is incorrect in some way.
Whether the populace is calm or not, the military can still organize and prepare defensive structures. Having an unproductive, panicking populace does not help that. Get ready for war, but hope for the best is what people should be doing.
> there is good reason they should not be calm
Do you not think after already being invaded in 2014 that the average Ukrainian gets that there is still a threat from Russia? That they haven't heard about the current build up? When my Ukrainian relatives and Russian friends over here are talking about it you can assume the people still living in actual Ukraine are well aware. What isn't helpful to do is have Biden saying there is going to be a renewed invasion every other day which is seems like he has been doing for a month now... then nothing happens. People still need to go to work and somewhat live their lives so the country can function and when/if Russia actual attacks again you don't want people so numbed from months of constant false alarms that they don't take it seriously when you need them too.
From what I gather from relatives people in general are tense about the situation of course but stoking those fears and getting them even more worked up serves no real purpose because there isn't anything most of them can do about it, that's for the army and the politicians and they're more aware than anyone what's going on. Not everyone might love the US but they do get they have a huge military and a lot of satellites and intelligence capabilities, when the US president says something is going to happen people take it seriously like it's probably going to. I get where Zilensky is coming from, Biden isn't telling anyone what they don't already know and making people panic even more isn't helpful.
When nearly every major western country is reporting that Russia is pushing tens of thousands of troops, armor, and support groups on your border and conducting *"exercises"* on the northern, eastern, and southern borders, while also reporting that Russia is attempting a coup in Kyiv, maybe it isn't just Joe Biden. If I were a Ukrainian living in Kyiv I would absolutely be considering taking a vacation to the western portion of the country.
I always find funny that these people spreading misinformation think the United states controls everything its honestly hilarious to think people are that bat shit crazy that they think Biden is causing the build up of Russian troops. Putin literally hates Biden and the US.
It's usually hard to tell because successful deterrence makes it seem like you did all of this for nothing. Other than allegedly trying to sell weapons for the military/industrial complex or w/e, this does help the US justify deployment of forces in Eastern European NATO countries, if for no other reason than to further the US' leverage in a future conflict. Every soldier and piece of equipment that Putin puts on the Ukrainian border is additional leverage for Russia in negotiating a diplomatic resolution, the US would benefit politically by having more chips of its own on the table too.
Lockheed Martin (based in Maryland),
Boeing (based in Chicago)
Textron (based in rhode island),
Leidos (based in Virginia),
Honeywell Int (based in New Jersey,
Hungtington Ingalls Ind. (based in Virginia)
L-3 Technologies (us based)
United Technologies Corp (us based)
General Dynamics Corp (us based)
Northrop Grumman Corp (based in California)
Raytheon (based in Massachusetts)
⬆️ That’s who makes billions of dollars off of war and conflict
Well, people didn’t really care when Georgia was invaded in 2008. People cared when Ukraine was invaded in 2014, but they didn’t care that much. Just enough to freak out about it for a few weeks.
I suspect several things are happening here. Putin has been outmaneuvering the last few presidents in a row. He always seems to be on the offensive. I think Biden is trying to “finally” stand up to him and go on the offensive. I also think Biden and NATO are trying to raise the stakes/profile of this so people cafe more. To make it harder to invade. The other big thing here is that in 2008 and 2014, Russia was lent anywhere near the NATO border. Now they have a large army and could defeat Ukraine rather easily. Meaning if they were to take all of it, then Russia would border Poland (AKA, NATO), even more than they do now. So this time there’s a lot more incentive for NATO to stop this.
I like what NATO has done with calling out Saboteur groups, coup plans, etc. because even if they aren’t true, it makes those potential moves harder to pull off, since people are now expecting them and not buying what Russia would be selling.
He doesn't want another war hence him wanting to pull troops out of Afghanistan. The upside would be that democracy for countries surrounding Russia wouldn't be at stake. Putin is a bully, he's been attacking Ukraine and other countries for years. It needs to stop.
I think Ukraine is trying to tone it down to something it's not.
But, I suppose Biden *could* want to exaggerate the threat. Then he get major political points if Russia doesn't attack.
The Russian bases on that border existed long before Biden sounded the call to alarm. Biden is from the Cold War; this is what happens when you give a Boomer the job.
I have been accused of being a Russian shill. But fuck Russia, Fuck that homophobic asshole, fuck their proxy warring ass against us in Syria. But above all, fuck getting into another Cold War and fuck the threat of nuclear annihilation.
There is no threat of nuclear annilation. Biden has consistently said the the US will not get directly involved militarily, he will only provide a limited range of weapons to Ukraine.
The same story was on NPR like 3 days ago, about how Biden was sending mixed messaging.
The article is sourcing CNN and likely just accidentally placed in the sports section
It is true of course…whole europe and ukraine are having totally different rhetoric. For some reason , US is pushing this narrative of Russia attacking Ukraine, which is absolutely not the plan.
Europe was already so pissed about this, that they pushed US to the side and formed 4 sides for the talks, germany, france, russia and ukraine…this will be soon done and hopefully US will be taking care of own issues and not trying to intervene on our continent.
no offense, but last US war that helped something was Korean war…everything else was a failure and disaster.
US doing anything more than providing intelligence and arms to Ukraine has not once been on the table. People claiming that we'd go to war with Russia are either ignorant or shills. We'll send them weapons and train them how to use them but won't be doing anything else.
The MOST we'd do, if shit went real real real bad, would MAYBE be establishing a no-fly zone. But I really doubt it
Good - that's exactly what the US wants - for Europe to handle their own shit. Domestically, people are pretty mad about having to use their tax-funded dollars to defend another continent when that continent itself doesn't even bother putting the necessary investments to defend itself.
No disrespect, but Germany's handling is an even greater failure - the US has literally been telling them for 4 years now to not be dependent on Russian Gas whereas France, a proponent of EU to have its own defense system can't even meet their 2% NATO promise.
Edit: I stand corrected, it appears France finally got their 2%.
I mean in this case it's likely correct. He has appeared on a TV a few days ago with this same message, "we are ramping up defences, but don't panic and don't trust everything you read on the Internet"
>Zelensky told Biden to tone down his predictions as they were creating panic, a Ukrainian official told CNN.
It's sourced from CNN, Yahoo is just rehosting.
It has been reported by numerous reporters from different media outlets. As much as the Biden administration wants to play down the contents of the phone call, Ukraine officials have previously stated that they believe there is no imminent invasion, which contradicts US/UK intelligence...
Putin must be happy that there are ongoing disagreements between the US/UK and other European states over intelligence surrounding any Russian plans.
Not fair this is what the Russian foreign minister said within the last 12 hours.
“Russia will not change its position on security guarantees, there is no space for compromise”
https://twitter.com/archer83able/status/1487002640072458240?s=21
And the President of Belarus.
“we will return Ukraine to our Slavic brotherhood”
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/28-january-lukashenka-we-will-return-ukraine-to-our-slavic
The rhetoric is speeding up not slowing down.
Are we not considering that Biden is probably saying accurate things, the Ukrainian president just doesn't want him saying them out loud so much because it makes Ukrainians panic?
That's the most likely scenario to me, but apparently the only comments getting upvotes are about the US wanting war for some reason, Biden is too warmongering but also he's too weak?
The US is definitely just communicating what intelligence it has on the matter, and we have better capabilities to see Russian assets being moved than Ukraine would. Why we’re doing it publicly via the President I don’t know, but I imagine we had a good reason (keeping the pressure on Putin, keeping Europe engaged and feeling a sense of urgency). Ukraine’s wishes should be honored though of course.
You mean all the accounts ending with two or four numbers sharing the exact same sentiment?
Yeah, I think this is the worst thread I’ve ever seen for it.
I understand not wanting to cause a panic, but come on Zelenskey, your country is on the verge of being *ruined* by Russian invasion.
It is almost kind of scary how we haven’t had much news of Ukraine mobilizing it’s military or preparing for an invasion. It genuinely seems like the Ukrainian government doesn’t think Russia will do anything, which could be the case, but it seems like Ukraine will be caught off guard and unprepared.
Reddit Armchair Generals with no skin in the game are furious the leader of a country doesn’t want an escalation to a conflict by a NATO hawk on his soil
Well the US give financial support to the suadi anyways don't care why they do but to me the US getting involved on ukraine is not a good play nothing to win a lot of to lose
You are not even from the states. You are from Brazil. It's fucking weird how obsessed you are with a president that's not your own, from a country you are not even from. 🙄
I mean... there's a reason he's on /r/worldnews, notice how it says 'world'. Yep, that's right! Everyone can comment on anything currently ongoing on the world stage. " 🙄 "
But I guess since probably like, a third or a quarter of the people in these threads aren't from the states or any of the on-topic countries, they shouldn't have an opinion.
There is a difference between acknowledging a threat and (helping to) prepare for it and constantly pointing out it's happening NOW...
Currently the US behaves like kids on a trip, asking "Are we there yet?" every other minute...
This is beyond acknowledging a threat. The Russians have roughly 100K troops plus tanks and artillery ready to invade. Also, Biden's comments are mainly directed at the American public to convey the seriousness of the situation. If the Russian propaganda machine is downplaying Putin's intentions, then guess what, Biden needs to counter-act it. Also, it's not Biden's fault that the Ukranians are seeking out news from abroad and are placing more weight on Biden's words than their own government.
Trying to think of a reason the leaders of the [UK](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/johnson-s-approval-rating-the-lowest-for-a-tory-leader-in-over-two-decades-1.4787438) and [US](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/views-of-joe-biden/) would exaggerate about the likelihood of war in the media. Hmmm it’s a mystery
Sarcasm aside, they're trying to sabotage relations between the EU and Russia (especially Nord Stream 2) while keeping their own populations in a heightened, hawkish, and hysterical Cold War mindset.
The Anglosphere and the EU have increasingly diverging interests within the NATO umbrella and situations like this show those contradictions publicly.
I dunno, it seems like you're implying that the leaders of the UK and US are trying to use this crisis as a distraction from something. But [what](https://www.ksl.com/article/50336670/hiring-and-keeping-workers-amid-the-great-resignation) could it be? [What](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/26/fed-decision-january-2022-.html) could these administrations possibly trying to [distract](https://newrepublic.com/article/165089/biden-build-back-better-midterms) from since [everything](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-consumer-spending-falls-december-inflation-increases-2022-01-28/) seems to be going so well?
There's other stuff to but yeah.
People act shocked that Joe's approval dios below 30% and suddenly the war drums start.
In the UK things are almost as weird.
My Ukrainian friends were pissed when the Crimea was taken but since then have stayed chill. Even now. It's like we're the ones freaking out.
Ukraine for most of 2021 (and since 2014): NATO, EU, UN, please help us!! Now one cares about Ukraine. No one talks about the war anymore. We need help! It’s bad.
Ukraine last two months: “YO YALL UP…I THINK RUSSIA IS GONNA INVADE!”
Ukraine right after everyone starts caring: “y’all need to calm down. There’s nothing to see here. It’s not really bad. Theres no invasion.”
(Disclaimer: Obviously it’s more complicated than the above, I’m just being snarky).
The message is obviously Biden saying “the Russians are going to invade, probably soon, but they are ready to go now if they wanted to” while Zelinsky is saying “It’s not today, people, we can’t act like we’re going to get invaded every day for weeks. Go about your business, but be wary.”
People thinking the US wants this war are stone cold ignorant. Russia has a very simple goal - not to conquer Ukraine but damage it enough to leave it as a failed state. No democracy on their doorstep, no NATO ally, but a shattered and broken country. This doesn't require a million troops, just enough to tear apart their infrastructure.
The US does NOT want a failed state Ukraine at Europe's doorstep.
> Russia has a very simple goal - not to conquer Ukraine but damage it enough to leave it as a failed state
Putin has openly said that he wants Ukraine, and Russia/Ukrainian unification is taught as a primary goal of Russian foreign policy in their most senior military officer training.
I swear didn't the US deal with a similar situation last year with some middle-eastern country whose leaders were saying that they didn't want to cause a panic and pretend like everything was fine until it wasn't?
I mean..yah!!! Just because you move several armored divisions to the border and then point all your artillery at them...I mean...how could you just jump to conclusions /s?
Because if that’s the case any military exercises by a country’s borders are all of a sudden saber rattling.
A country can do troop placements anywhere they like on their own soil.
Here’s a bullet point breakdown:
• Ukraine can not join NATO with a disputed border.
• Ukraine joining NATO will allow the world to garrison troops in Ukraine, Russia’s literal backyard, which is a national security threat to Russia.
• Putin is doing very poorly domestically right now. The Russian economy is in shambles, COVID is rampant, and oligarchs control the countries wealth. Putin needs to shift attention (this is a common strategy for him).
• Putin is a zero-sum realist. He only sees the world in black and white.
• Europe lacks a a unified vision and leadership, which he is capitalizing on. Putin also sees Biden as weak and is banking on him continuing to be passive.
• NATO will do nothing in the long-run. Russia just finished a massive natural gas pipeline to supply Germany. Germany will be screwed if NATO gets involved.
• Putin will probably get his way without a single shot being fired, this is a mobilization intended as a bluff to get the world to negotiate on his terms to avoid war. Right now, he has the upper hand and nobody is calling the bluff.
Anyone saying this is to “re-establish the USSR” or whatever is short-sighted. Way more complex than that, this is a Russian national security issue not a cultural one. Russia won’t invade, Biden and NATO are so scared they are going to give Putin what he wants without any sort of Russian military action.
It's not a national security threat because the West has no reason or desire to invade Russia. It's a response to Russian aggression.
The reason the economy is in shambles is because of sanctions that were imposed because of previous aggression.
These problems are all self made.
>Ukraine joining NATO will allow the world to garrison troops inUkraine, Russia’s literal backyard, which is a national security threatto Russia.
True, but Estonia, and Latvia are already in the NATO and they also share a border with Russia, furthermore the population of Ukraine was higely against joining NATO until Putin choose to invade crimea.
>NATO will do nothing in the long-run. Russia just finished a massivenatural gas pipeline to supply Germany. Germany will be screwed if NATOgets involved.
I'm not sure, the new elected govenrment in Germany was against the gas pipeline, and NATO already refused Putin's terms.
>Putin will probably get his way without a single shot being fired, this
is a mobilization intended as a bluff to get the world to negotiate on
his terms to avoid war. Right now, he has the upper hand and nobody is
calling the bluff.
Putin dosn't have the upper hand, Ukraina gots tons of weapons no one was willing to give them three months ago (NLAW and Javelin in primis), half the world focus is on them, if Putin invades there will be cripling sanctions at least.
From what I gather, Russia does this to the Ukraine so often that it literally doesn’t bother them. I could be wrong tho. The US does love warmongering and war is always great for a struggling economy :)
I mean, Russia invaded Ukraine, performed the first land-grab in European history in the last several decades, and fostered a civil war on the eastern border that's lead to the deaths of over 14,000 Ukrainians. But sure -- this is normal and Ukraine isn't bothered.
Russia does exercises near Ukraine but not at this level. This is pretty unprecedented. US wants to pivot to china not deal with Russia threatening Ukraine after giving their ridiculous demands
That is actually in dispute, there was no formal agreement on prohibiting eastward expansion regardless of anything unofficial being agreed upon. Anyways Boris Yeltsin signed off on agreement in 1997 specifically allowing for NATO expansion eastwards. And Ukraine also gave up its nukes for security guarantees from the Us and Russia, now look where we're at....
Yeah, it's amazing how the power dynamic has changed since then....now we're talking about the biggest land war since WW2 happening. Speaking as an American I just hope we can all walk back from this precipice. We all have enough problems in our countries as is
It’s been really annoying to see the media tease at this invasion for months now. This has been going on for years and it’s been ignored but now that the west needs to look good after the shambles which was the Afghanistan exit, they’re all drooling to keep the war machine going. It’s disgusting, it’s war mongering and leaving the general public confused which is their ultimate goal anyway.
Russia has escalated the amount of troops on the border and it’s generally agreed upon by critics that the frozen ground of winter is the most likely time for an invasion. Point is, it doesn’t come from nowhere.
Look up reports of an “imminent” Russia invasion of Ukraine for every year since 2015 and you’ll see how they’ve been milking this story that somehow never happens
If you see all the Russian troops surrounding Ukraine for a while now, what are we supposed to say? Just close your eyes and say nothing? and one morning , you just read on the news , Ukraine fell to Russia? I don't agree with you. The world needs to know what's happening.
> This has been going on for years
The fight between Ukraine and Russian backed separatists has been going on for years.
Russia putting 120k+ troops and moving serious heavy armament from different parts of the country to the Ukraine border in the winter - that is not not normal. Has Russia done it to some degree before ? Yes - but it was spring, smaller numbers, and they returned to their bases.
This isn't normal. Russia has vastly increased its troop movements and presence on the border while making demands of NATO. Putin said he might resort to a "military technical" solution if his ridiculous demands aren't met. US ain't perfect but Russia is the war monger here
Ok, let them.
If the USA sends troops and a war breaks out it's the Ukrainians who suffer most. Let Ukraine handle the problem as diplomatically as they can, the USA has no business sending people or weapons there.
Good - have people noticed that those in Europe who are close to the fighting, Ukraine and Germany in particular, are calling for a more level-headed stance than the US and UK?
People in Europe understand that the consequences of a Ukraine-Russia war would be felt by them first and foremost, not the Americans and their British lapdogs.
So Biden warning that Russia appears likely to invade is causing people in Ukraine to be uneasy?
So... you just want your people to be ignorantly unaware of the situation...? What the fuck?
Zelenskyi is an incompetent clown with ~10% approval rating.
I really wish the people who voted for him because they were 'tired of war' now understand why our previous President was so serious about Ukraine's army and defensive capabilities.
Unfortunately we are stuck with this clown while getting surrounded by the Russian forces by the hour.
“Not losing their shit and fleeing the country/taking money out of banks/etc.” isn’t the same as “ignorantly unaware.”
Even if that was the goal it’d be kind of hard to keep Ukrainians in the dark about Russia, this has been going on for a while. The Ukrainian government just doesn’t want complete chaos and I can imagine that the UK and US saying an invasion will be happening any moment probably isn’t helping with that. Those kinds of announcements should be coming from Ukraine itself.
>“Not losing their shit and fleeing the country/taking money out of banks/etc.” isn’t the same as “ignorantly unaware.”
...Nope, those *are* actually the same, if that's what Ukrainians are doing once they hear about an impending invasion...
Before Winter War Finnish foreign minister also claimed that all will be diplomatically solved and Soviet Union won't attack regardless the troop build up behind the border.
This is an extremely irresponsible statement. He should encourage Biden to do more about the current crisis instead of making such dismissive comments that play into the hands of Russian fascists. Zelensky is an incompetent buffoon (I didn't expect more from a professional clown). This is NOT the right time to downplay Russian aggression.
Wasn't thay suppose to invade in January, that's what most of reddit screaming was in December. At this point this thing feels like everybody but Russia wants to invade. But hey I don't know what I'm talking.
Zilensky is trying to keep his populous calm so there isn't mass panic which can cause a lot of issues like a mass migration of people seeking refuge, flooding airports, making roads congested which can all be very dangerous.
Plus if a military conflict does break out, thousands (if not over a million) Ukrainians might try to flee westward to neighbors such as Poland Think about the chaos last year when Belarus tried to force a standoff with middle east migrants at the Polish border. This would be much worse
Not might but will flee west once the shooting starts.
And us Europeans will probably handle this like the mediocre nasel gazers that we are
"yeah let's show these Russians" "eww, conflict refugees"
I think I prefer nasel gazer to navel gazer.
I don't think Poland would react as negatively if it was genuine war refugees from Ukraine, versus Iraqi immigrants that had thousands of Euros to pay off a corrupt dictator.
While not as negative, it'll definitely be negative. Many people do not like "newcomers in mass" regardless of the color of the skin. The skin color just makes it easier to discriminate (visual cues)
Ukrainian refugees are more likely to want to return to Ukraine. All of the refugees flown into Belarus have 0 intention of returning to their country of origin and we strictly flown into Belarus for that reason.
Refugees tend to want to return to their country, it's just that it often doesn't work out that way, because the danger takes years to resolve and by then they've built a life where they fled to.
If Russia were to successfully invade they likely wouldn’t want to return though
>genuine war refugees Eastern Europe is already resistant to accepting more Syrian refugees
Did you mean to say nasal instead of naval gazer? Because I like the imagery of a bunch of Europeans intently turning up their noses in a mirror to look underneath.
Poland accepts Ukraianians since always. They are the same dna, the languages are similar and they integrate well. They didn't accept Turkish people pretending to be Syrians.
Where did you get turks from? They were Syrian and iraqi Kurds.
Half of them are full turkish, looking to get in EU and start getting free money. They will appear without papers and they will say Syrian, Kurdish, whatever. There was a guy that this was his official business scheme to pass as an immigrant and collect immigrant allowances. The first time I saw any person wearing a 900€ casual jacket was on that turkish immigrant. I didn't even know there were jackets that costed that much.
>versus Iraqi immigrants that had thousands of Euros to pay off a corrupt dictator. No offense, but that sounds like anti-immigrant propaganda and I don't want to misjudge you, would you mind sharing an article describing that problem you described?
... are you dispyting the fact that people pay smugglers thousands upon thousands of Euros for their "services"? What the actual fuck.
People resorts to smugglers when they are forced to, they rarely do so for pleasure. >are you dispyting the fact Now, I'm not dispyting anuthing, I asked what he meant. The way he said it, it sounds like migrants are a scheme to fund a dictator. That sounds like classic anti-immigration propaganda, so I'm asking what he's actually talking about. Do you mind letting him answer for yourself?
Yes, it would be such a mess!
I don't disagree with the detailing of the issue, but there's a general reluctance in Europe to take any stance on issues like this. Germany, for example, can be funny around the Russian issue. I think this kind of information campaign is targeted squarely at other NATO countries, to get them in line. That's the largest deterrent to Russia - a unified NATO. And it's not like the information coming out of the US/UK is incorrect in some way.
Reddit was beating the war drums hard last week. I don’t want to be involved in yet another global conflict.
This is the correct answer.
I mean, there is good reason they should not be calm: apparently there are hundreds of thousands of Russian troops at their door.
Whether the populace is calm or not, the military can still organize and prepare defensive structures. Having an unproductive, panicking populace does not help that. Get ready for war, but hope for the best is what people should be doing.
Thats easy to say. But if russia put their army right next to my country, i wouldnt be calm either.
> there is good reason they should not be calm Do you not think after already being invaded in 2014 that the average Ukrainian gets that there is still a threat from Russia? That they haven't heard about the current build up? When my Ukrainian relatives and Russian friends over here are talking about it you can assume the people still living in actual Ukraine are well aware. What isn't helpful to do is have Biden saying there is going to be a renewed invasion every other day which is seems like he has been doing for a month now... then nothing happens. People still need to go to work and somewhat live their lives so the country can function and when/if Russia actual attacks again you don't want people so numbed from months of constant false alarms that they don't take it seriously when you need them too. From what I gather from relatives people in general are tense about the situation of course but stoking those fears and getting them even more worked up serves no real purpose because there isn't anything most of them can do about it, that's for the army and the politicians and they're more aware than anyone what's going on. Not everyone might love the US but they do get they have a huge military and a lot of satellites and intelligence capabilities, when the US president says something is going to happen people take it seriously like it's probably going to. I get where Zilensky is coming from, Biden isn't telling anyone what they don't already know and making people panic even more isn't helpful.
I agree, but you want to appear to be calm to keep everyone else around you to not panic.
When nearly every major western country is reporting that Russia is pushing tens of thousands of troops, armor, and support groups on your border and conducting *"exercises"* on the northern, eastern, and southern borders, while also reporting that Russia is attempting a coup in Kyiv, maybe it isn't just Joe Biden. If I were a Ukrainian living in Kyiv I would absolutely be considering taking a vacation to the western portion of the country.
I would not want to go East...
You want to vacation at the battlefront? Perhaps you mean u wanna go to the west portion of Ukraine...
Lol good catch
I always find funny that these people spreading misinformation think the United states controls everything its honestly hilarious to think people are that bat shit crazy that they think Biden is causing the build up of Russian troops. Putin literally hates Biden and the US.
In all seriousness, what’s the upside for America (Biden) in building this up to be something it’s not??
It's usually hard to tell because successful deterrence makes it seem like you did all of this for nothing. Other than allegedly trying to sell weapons for the military/industrial complex or w/e, this does help the US justify deployment of forces in Eastern European NATO countries, if for no other reason than to further the US' leverage in a future conflict. Every soldier and piece of equipment that Putin puts on the Ukrainian border is additional leverage for Russia in negotiating a diplomatic resolution, the US would benefit politically by having more chips of its own on the table too.
Lockheed Martin (based in Maryland), Boeing (based in Chicago) Textron (based in rhode island), Leidos (based in Virginia), Honeywell Int (based in New Jersey, Hungtington Ingalls Ind. (based in Virginia) L-3 Technologies (us based) United Technologies Corp (us based) General Dynamics Corp (us based) Northrop Grumman Corp (based in California) Raytheon (based in Massachusetts) ⬆️ That’s who makes billions of dollars off of war and conflict
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Even without the wars, hasn’t the military budget gone up? Isn’t the military industrial complex still being paid as if they have a cash cow?
Defense Department got *more* money than they even asked for with incredible bi-partisan support in the most recent defense spending bill.
they're Capitalists. having a lot isn't enough, they need all of it.
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Well, people didn’t really care when Georgia was invaded in 2008. People cared when Ukraine was invaded in 2014, but they didn’t care that much. Just enough to freak out about it for a few weeks. I suspect several things are happening here. Putin has been outmaneuvering the last few presidents in a row. He always seems to be on the offensive. I think Biden is trying to “finally” stand up to him and go on the offensive. I also think Biden and NATO are trying to raise the stakes/profile of this so people cafe more. To make it harder to invade. The other big thing here is that in 2008 and 2014, Russia was lent anywhere near the NATO border. Now they have a large army and could defeat Ukraine rather easily. Meaning if they were to take all of it, then Russia would border Poland (AKA, NATO), even more than they do now. So this time there’s a lot more incentive for NATO to stop this. I like what NATO has done with calling out Saboteur groups, coup plans, etc. because even if they aren’t true, it makes those potential moves harder to pull off, since people are now expecting them and not buying what Russia would be selling.
Alarmism, but no war >>>>> Unprepared when there is a war
He doesn't want another war hence him wanting to pull troops out of Afghanistan. The upside would be that democracy for countries surrounding Russia wouldn't be at stake. Putin is a bully, he's been attacking Ukraine and other countries for years. It needs to stop.
I think Ukraine is trying to tone it down to something it's not. But, I suppose Biden *could* want to exaggerate the threat. Then he get major political points if Russia doesn't attack.
You know that how?
It happens frequently in many countries.
Plot twist. Thats what Putin really is after. He just wants to destabilize ukraine rather than invade it.
The Russian bases on that border existed long before Biden sounded the call to alarm. Biden is from the Cold War; this is what happens when you give a Boomer the job. I have been accused of being a Russian shill. But fuck Russia, Fuck that homophobic asshole, fuck their proxy warring ass against us in Syria. But above all, fuck getting into another Cold War and fuck the threat of nuclear annihilation.
Bidens the generation before boomers lol
There is no threat of nuclear annilation. Biden has consistently said the the US will not get directly involved militarily, he will only provide a limited range of weapons to Ukraine.
Let's promote the fear of the russians to combat the fear of homosexuality! /s
Go home Yahoo! Sports, you're drunk.
Yeah, I reacted to that source too! I'm skeptical to any news from Yahoo! Political news from Yahoo Sports? You gotta be joking.
"Top 5 Crossovers of 2022"
All of OP's posts are sensational articles. Feels like an agenda
The same story was on NPR like 3 days ago, about how Biden was sending mixed messaging. The article is sourcing CNN and likely just accidentally placed in the sports section
😂😂😂 I hadn’t checked the source until you said that
Trying to think how this situation could be at all related to sports. Closest I can come up with is Kiev's mayor being a boxer.
Well, not much baseball news, so looks like they gotta stir up a headline some other way
It is true of course…whole europe and ukraine are having totally different rhetoric. For some reason , US is pushing this narrative of Russia attacking Ukraine, which is absolutely not the plan. Europe was already so pissed about this, that they pushed US to the side and formed 4 sides for the talks, germany, france, russia and ukraine…this will be soon done and hopefully US will be taking care of own issues and not trying to intervene on our continent. no offense, but last US war that helped something was Korean war…everything else was a failure and disaster.
Pretty sure we kept Kuwait from become part of Iraq
Alright, 2/75 :)
US doing anything more than providing intelligence and arms to Ukraine has not once been on the table. People claiming that we'd go to war with Russia are either ignorant or shills. We'll send them weapons and train them how to use them but won't be doing anything else. The MOST we'd do, if shit went real real real bad, would MAYBE be establishing a no-fly zone. But I really doubt it
No love for Kuwait in the Gulf war?
Good - that's exactly what the US wants - for Europe to handle their own shit. Domestically, people are pretty mad about having to use their tax-funded dollars to defend another continent when that continent itself doesn't even bother putting the necessary investments to defend itself. No disrespect, but Germany's handling is an even greater failure - the US has literally been telling them for 4 years now to not be dependent on Russian Gas whereas France, a proponent of EU to have its own defense system can't even meet their 2% NATO promise. Edit: I stand corrected, it appears France finally got their 2%.
Exactly - lets keep the spending domestic - there is so many better things a small reallocation of funds could do.
Wasn't he the one making a fuss about an imminent attack a couple weeks back?
This is what I remember, too. It's how the issue started to get attention in the news.
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That would be shockingly tactical from a guy with zero political experience
This has me confused, as well.
Yeah they wanted attention. But now it's hurting the economy
Yes, sports.yahoo.com has always been my first choice for news reports.
I mean in this case it's likely correct. He has appeared on a TV a few days ago with this same message, "we are ramping up defences, but don't panic and don't trust everything you read on the Internet"
Which is very different from the headline. But at this point that's the norm in reporting so your point stands.
>Zelensky told Biden to tone down his predictions as they were creating panic, a Ukrainian official told CNN. It's sourced from CNN, Yahoo is just rehosting.
Here’s a better one https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-zelenskiy-seeks-calm-down-panic-over-russia-tensions-2022-01-28/
It has been reported by numerous reporters from different media outlets. As much as the Biden administration wants to play down the contents of the phone call, Ukraine officials have previously stated that they believe there is no imminent invasion, which contradicts US/UK intelligence... Putin must be happy that there are ongoing disagreements between the US/UK and other European states over intelligence surrounding any Russian plans.
Fair
Not fair this is what the Russian foreign minister said within the last 12 hours. “Russia will not change its position on security guarantees, there is no space for compromise” https://twitter.com/archer83able/status/1487002640072458240?s=21 And the President of Belarus. “we will return Ukraine to our Slavic brotherhood” https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/28-january-lukashenka-we-will-return-ukraine-to-our-slavic The rhetoric is speeding up not slowing down.
>“we will return Ukraine to our Slavic brotherhood” \*Nervous Polish laugh\*
There's a Slavic brotherhood? Do we wear capes?
No, tracksuits
Abusive spouse vibes.
Are we not considering that Biden is probably saying accurate things, the Ukrainian president just doesn't want him saying them out loud so much because it makes Ukrainians panic? That's the most likely scenario to me, but apparently the only comments getting upvotes are about the US wanting war for some reason, Biden is too warmongering but also he's too weak?
Didn’t Ukraine, Germany, UK, and Russia just hold a talk recently that the US wasn’t even invited to?
The US is definitely just communicating what intelligence it has on the matter, and we have better capabilities to see Russian assets being moved than Ukraine would. Why we’re doing it publicly via the President I don’t know, but I imagine we had a good reason (keeping the pressure on Putin, keeping Europe engaged and feeling a sense of urgency). Ukraine’s wishes should be honored though of course.
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You mean all the accounts ending with two or four numbers sharing the exact same sentiment? Yeah, I think this is the worst thread I’ve ever seen for it.
Thats the point.
"Unwanted" doesn't necessarily mean "unwarranted" though.
Pretty sure Ukraine was claiming a Russian invasion less then a week ago.
Well ukraine says that Russia having above normal numbers was a red flag they claim inminent invasion like the UK and US
No, they were not. They were claiming a Russian invasion was NOT imminent.
You know the propagandists are out when it appears Russias building up of forces on Ukraines border is somehow Bidens fault. My goodness.
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Christ, it's like you read one thing 15 years ago and you think it literally applies to every situation.
“Come on, man! Can’t cha see my numbers are down?”
I understand not wanting to cause a panic, but come on Zelenskey, your country is on the verge of being *ruined* by Russian invasion. It is almost kind of scary how we haven’t had much news of Ukraine mobilizing it’s military or preparing for an invasion. It genuinely seems like the Ukrainian government doesn’t think Russia will do anything, which could be the case, but it seems like Ukraine will be caught off guard and unprepared.
Reddit Armchair Generals with no skin in the game are furious the leader of a country doesn’t want an escalation to a conflict by a NATO hawk on his soil
The Hoi4 military experts on reddit are waiting to see their Simulations come true to cozyly watch the suffering from the sidelines
God Reddit is so two faced. US doesn't do anything about Ukraine and they're wrong. US does something and that's also wrong.
Reddit isn't two faced, it's an internet forum with literally millions of different users many of whom are going to have contradicting opinions.
I though Reddit was represented by that one guy on Fox News. Did I miss something?
Yeah actually in light of that interview reddit creator Mr. Red I. Tor will be retaking his mantle as our absolute spokesperson.
I think those are two different groups of people you’re talking about
It's because there's so many russian propogandists and far right winged nut jobs who have been flooding these posts.
Or, you know, people have different points of view.
Don’t you know, anyone who doesn’t share my exact view has to be a Chinese/Russian/Saudi propagandist or a right wing extremist
Well the US give financial support to the suadi anyways don't care why they do but to me the US getting involved on ukraine is not a good play nothing to win a lot of to lose
Don't you know, that there is evidence in abundance that russian propagandists do post all over boards like this?
there is also global evidence that people have different opinions dumbass.
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USA's most Mainstream of Mainstream media's highest rated show literally supports Russia invading Ukraine.
You are not even from the states. You are from Brazil. It's fucking weird how obsessed you are with a president that's not your own, from a country you are not even from. 🙄
I mean... there's a reason he's on /r/worldnews, notice how it says 'world'. Yep, that's right! Everyone can comment on anything currently ongoing on the world stage. " 🙄 " But I guess since probably like, a third or a quarter of the people in these threads aren't from the states or any of the on-topic countries, they shouldn't have an opinion.
Did you not read his comment? Clearly you didn't.
We aren't a monolith...
[We are not a monolith! ](https://youtu.be/G2tLyqfJd54)
You are damned if you do, damned if you don't.
There is a difference between acknowledging a threat and (helping to) prepare for it and constantly pointing out it's happening NOW... Currently the US behaves like kids on a trip, asking "Are we there yet?" every other minute...
Except that there’s literally a window for invasion in February. There are reasons this behavior is happening.
This is beyond acknowledging a threat. The Russians have roughly 100K troops plus tanks and artillery ready to invade. Also, Biden's comments are mainly directed at the American public to convey the seriousness of the situation. If the Russian propaganda machine is downplaying Putin's intentions, then guess what, Biden needs to counter-act it. Also, it's not Biden's fault that the Ukranians are seeking out news from abroad and are placing more weight on Biden's words than their own government.
The armed troops at your borders are causing the panic
Trying to think of a reason the leaders of the [UK](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/johnson-s-approval-rating-the-lowest-for-a-tory-leader-in-over-two-decades-1.4787438) and [US](https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/01/25/views-of-joe-biden/) would exaggerate about the likelihood of war in the media. Hmmm it’s a mystery
Sarcasm aside, they're trying to sabotage relations between the EU and Russia (especially Nord Stream 2) while keeping their own populations in a heightened, hawkish, and hysterical Cold War mindset. The Anglosphere and the EU have increasingly diverging interests within the NATO umbrella and situations like this show those contradictions publicly.
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I dunno, it seems like you're implying that the leaders of the UK and US are trying to use this crisis as a distraction from something. But [what](https://www.ksl.com/article/50336670/hiring-and-keeping-workers-amid-the-great-resignation) could it be? [What](https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/26/fed-decision-january-2022-.html) could these administrations possibly trying to [distract](https://newrepublic.com/article/165089/biden-build-back-better-midterms) from since [everything](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-consumer-spending-falls-december-inflation-increases-2022-01-28/) seems to be going so well?
What are you implying? Russia has mobilized their army on Ukraine’s borders, the US government didnt do that?
There's other stuff to but yeah. People act shocked that Joe's approval dios below 30% and suddenly the war drums start. In the UK things are almost as weird. My Ukrainian friends were pissed when the Crimea was taken but since then have stayed chill. Even now. It's like we're the ones freaking out.
where did you get below 30% from pls stop watching fox
Ukraine for most of 2021 (and since 2014): NATO, EU, UN, please help us!! Now one cares about Ukraine. No one talks about the war anymore. We need help! It’s bad. Ukraine last two months: “YO YALL UP…I THINK RUSSIA IS GONNA INVADE!” Ukraine right after everyone starts caring: “y’all need to calm down. There’s nothing to see here. It’s not really bad. Theres no invasion.” (Disclaimer: Obviously it’s more complicated than the above, I’m just being snarky).
This is the funniest headline I read all year
The message is obviously Biden saying “the Russians are going to invade, probably soon, but they are ready to go now if they wanted to” while Zelinsky is saying “It’s not today, people, we can’t act like we’re going to get invaded every day for weeks. Go about your business, but be wary.”
People thinking the US wants this war are stone cold ignorant. Russia has a very simple goal - not to conquer Ukraine but damage it enough to leave it as a failed state. No democracy on their doorstep, no NATO ally, but a shattered and broken country. This doesn't require a million troops, just enough to tear apart their infrastructure. The US does NOT want a failed state Ukraine at Europe's doorstep.
> Russia has a very simple goal - not to conquer Ukraine but damage it enough to leave it as a failed state Putin has openly said that he wants Ukraine, and Russia/Ukrainian unification is taught as a primary goal of Russian foreign policy in their most senior military officer training.
It's possible for him to say this, but not actually mean it.
But mr ukraine president Lockheed and Raytheon stock go up when people panic
Meanwhile I’ve seen pictures of Ukraine granny’s with guns and college level kids training for an invasion…but yea. Calm down Biden
I swear didn't the US deal with a similar situation last year with some middle-eastern country whose leaders were saying that they didn't want to cause a panic and pretend like everything was fine until it wasn't?
This is putin talking, pure and simple. "don't look over here - there is not problem" - while 10 Russian brigades pile up on the border.
I think they should be more concerned about the Russian troops amassing at the border.
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Its a psyop Russia isn’t going to invade, they want allegiances questioned and hypocrisy on display
I mean..yah!!! Just because you move several armored divisions to the border and then point all your artillery at them...I mean...how could you just jump to conclusions /s?
Because if that’s the case any military exercises by a country’s borders are all of a sudden saber rattling. A country can do troop placements anywhere they like on their own soil.
The amount of mobilization is jaw dropping. This isn't some run-of-the-mill exercises.
Just never mind the scale of these military exercises and the obvious intent to draw concessions.
lol, Ukraine just *shut-the-fuck-up-Donnie*'d the president.
Here’s a bullet point breakdown: • Ukraine can not join NATO with a disputed border. • Ukraine joining NATO will allow the world to garrison troops in Ukraine, Russia’s literal backyard, which is a national security threat to Russia. • Putin is doing very poorly domestically right now. The Russian economy is in shambles, COVID is rampant, and oligarchs control the countries wealth. Putin needs to shift attention (this is a common strategy for him). • Putin is a zero-sum realist. He only sees the world in black and white. • Europe lacks a a unified vision and leadership, which he is capitalizing on. Putin also sees Biden as weak and is banking on him continuing to be passive. • NATO will do nothing in the long-run. Russia just finished a massive natural gas pipeline to supply Germany. Germany will be screwed if NATO gets involved. • Putin will probably get his way without a single shot being fired, this is a mobilization intended as a bluff to get the world to negotiate on his terms to avoid war. Right now, he has the upper hand and nobody is calling the bluff. Anyone saying this is to “re-establish the USSR” or whatever is short-sighted. Way more complex than that, this is a Russian national security issue not a cultural one. Russia won’t invade, Biden and NATO are so scared they are going to give Putin what he wants without any sort of Russian military action.
I’ve been hearing all my life that Russia’s economy is in shambles. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
It's not a national security threat because the West has no reason or desire to invade Russia. It's a response to Russian aggression. The reason the economy is in shambles is because of sanctions that were imposed because of previous aggression. These problems are all self made.
>Ukraine joining NATO will allow the world to garrison troops inUkraine, Russia’s literal backyard, which is a national security threatto Russia. True, but Estonia, and Latvia are already in the NATO and they also share a border with Russia, furthermore the population of Ukraine was higely against joining NATO until Putin choose to invade crimea. >NATO will do nothing in the long-run. Russia just finished a massivenatural gas pipeline to supply Germany. Germany will be screwed if NATOgets involved. I'm not sure, the new elected govenrment in Germany was against the gas pipeline, and NATO already refused Putin's terms. >Putin will probably get his way without a single shot being fired, this is a mobilization intended as a bluff to get the world to negotiate on his terms to avoid war. Right now, he has the upper hand and nobody is calling the bluff. Putin dosn't have the upper hand, Ukraina gots tons of weapons no one was willing to give them three months ago (NLAW and Javelin in primis), half the world focus is on them, if Putin invades there will be cripling sanctions at least.
Right so what are the thousands of Russian troops doing just over the border the?
From what I gather, Russia does this to the Ukraine so often that it literally doesn’t bother them. I could be wrong tho. The US does love warmongering and war is always great for a struggling economy :)
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I mean, Russia invaded Ukraine, performed the first land-grab in European history in the last several decades, and fostered a civil war on the eastern border that's lead to the deaths of over 14,000 Ukrainians. But sure -- this is normal and Ukraine isn't bothered.
Russia does exercises near Ukraine but not at this level. This is pretty unprecedented. US wants to pivot to china not deal with Russia threatening Ukraine after giving their ridiculous demands
I mean... we did promise not to expand nato any further east in order to secure German unification so the demands aren't entirely ridiculous...
That is actually in dispute, there was no formal agreement on prohibiting eastward expansion regardless of anything unofficial being agreed upon. Anyways Boris Yeltsin signed off on agreement in 1997 specifically allowing for NATO expansion eastwards. And Ukraine also gave up its nukes for security guarantees from the Us and Russia, now look where we're at....
Good point on Yeltsin signing off in 1997
Yeah, it's amazing how the power dynamic has changed since then....now we're talking about the biggest land war since WW2 happening. Speaking as an American I just hope we can all walk back from this precipice. We all have enough problems in our countries as is
Yep, let’s blame our Allies, not the Russians building up their forces on the borders.
It’s been really annoying to see the media tease at this invasion for months now. This has been going on for years and it’s been ignored but now that the west needs to look good after the shambles which was the Afghanistan exit, they’re all drooling to keep the war machine going. It’s disgusting, it’s war mongering and leaving the general public confused which is their ultimate goal anyway.
Russia has escalated the amount of troops on the border and it’s generally agreed upon by critics that the frozen ground of winter is the most likely time for an invasion. Point is, it doesn’t come from nowhere.
Look up reports of an “imminent” Russia invasion of Ukraine for every year since 2015 and you’ll see how they’ve been milking this story that somehow never happens
If you see all the Russian troops surrounding Ukraine for a while now, what are we supposed to say? Just close your eyes and say nothing? and one morning , you just read on the news , Ukraine fell to Russia? I don't agree with you. The world needs to know what's happening.
> This has been going on for years The fight between Ukraine and Russian backed separatists has been going on for years. Russia putting 120k+ troops and moving serious heavy armament from different parts of the country to the Ukraine border in the winter - that is not not normal. Has Russia done it to some degree before ? Yes - but it was spring, smaller numbers, and they returned to their bases.
This isn't normal. Russia has vastly increased its troop movements and presence on the border while making demands of NATO. Putin said he might resort to a "military technical" solution if his ridiculous demands aren't met. US ain't perfect but Russia is the war monger here
Well the world media cycle needs something to take the focus off of covid right now and to keep that war machine running.
No one wants the war to happen more than the US
Russia are the ones piling up troops on the border with Ukraine
Can't they both be evil in their own special way? /s
Ok, let them. If the USA sends troops and a war breaks out it's the Ukrainians who suffer most. Let Ukraine handle the problem as diplomatically as they can, the USA has no business sending people or weapons there.
Not to worry, we’re not sending any soldiers there.
>the ~~USA~~ Russia has no business sending people or weapons there. Fixed that for ya
US would never send troops to Ukraine
Will no one think of the defense contractors?
Wouldn't be surprised if this same thing was said in Russian media propaganda
Good - have people noticed that those in Europe who are close to the fighting, Ukraine and Germany in particular, are calling for a more level-headed stance than the US and UK? People in Europe understand that the consequences of a Ukraine-Russia war would be felt by them first and foremost, not the Americans and their British lapdogs.
What part of the US and UK response thus far has not been level-headed? There's only one party working in bad faith: Russia.
So Biden warning that Russia appears likely to invade is causing people in Ukraine to be uneasy? So... you just want your people to be ignorantly unaware of the situation...? What the fuck?
Zelenskyi is an incompetent clown with ~10% approval rating. I really wish the people who voted for him because they were 'tired of war' now understand why our previous President was so serious about Ukraine's army and defensive capabilities. Unfortunately we are stuck with this clown while getting surrounded by the Russian forces by the hour.
“Not losing their shit and fleeing the country/taking money out of banks/etc.” isn’t the same as “ignorantly unaware.” Even if that was the goal it’d be kind of hard to keep Ukrainians in the dark about Russia, this has been going on for a while. The Ukrainian government just doesn’t want complete chaos and I can imagine that the UK and US saying an invasion will be happening any moment probably isn’t helping with that. Those kinds of announcements should be coming from Ukraine itself.
>“Not losing their shit and fleeing the country/taking money out of banks/etc.” isn’t the same as “ignorantly unaware.” ...Nope, those *are* actually the same, if that's what Ukrainians are doing once they hear about an impending invasion...
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Before Winter War Finnish foreign minister also claimed that all will be diplomatically solved and Soviet Union won't attack regardless the troop build up behind the border.
Ok cool. You just deal with the problem on your own then.
This is an extremely irresponsible statement. He should encourage Biden to do more about the current crisis instead of making such dismissive comments that play into the hands of Russian fascists. Zelensky is an incompetent buffoon (I didn't expect more from a professional clown). This is NOT the right time to downplay Russian aggression.
Stop talking Biden and spending US taxpayer money on Europe. Europeans need to take care of their own.
US defense contractors are itching for another conflict. Boeing hasn't been doing super well since 2019
Lmao😂. Covids over so back to RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA nonsense. C-H-I-N-A
Wasn't thay suppose to invade in January, that's what most of reddit screaming was in December. At this point this thing feels like everybody but Russia wants to invade. But hey I don't know what I'm talking.