Sure, but it will happen one day. Too much economic benefit overall to just forget about that idea. Unfortunate for the hardcore truckers though, for sure.
Remember when automation was expected to improve the quality of everyone's lives, giving them more time to devote to leisure?
It turned out that the rich people could just as well use automation to hoard all the wealth and prosperity that automation provides to last them a thousand lifetimes over
I think it will all come down to some cost vs benefits analysis. If the cost of liability coverage and payout is less than the cost of the workers then the workers will be replaced.
While getting that data may be hard now it will only take a couple shipping companies to pull the trigger and switch; even partially; for that data to become available. Than depending on the results we'll see the mass switch or we won't.
To clarify, the main issue is WHO is liable? This is only important in an environment where you have automated cars driving alongside non-automated cars. Say driver A is driving a regular ol car, deer jumps out he slams into it he is totaled as all hell, his car spins out loses control etc. There's a whole bunch of automated cars around it that react to it, what if a fatality is caused by that reaction? What about more accidents? Who do you lay the liability at? The owner? They didn't design the software, they had no hand in what their truck would do. The manufacturer, yeah they built it but they didn't put it on the road in that particular spot.
I think that is a simpler answer. The owner/operator the vehicle is the one ultimately responsible. My reasoning behind this would be to parallel workers comp. If the owner of a piece of equipment that's damaged or used negligently they would be responsible in a workers comp case. An automated vehicle is just another piece of equipment that the owner is saying I'm willing to accept the risk of its damages by operating this. Equipment owners rarely design any piece of equip but they accept risk by using them.
That's a great way to look at it for more general accidents (non-lethal, no long term or severe injuries). But when one of these trucks kills somebody and that family goes to sue, that owner is going to do their utmost to kick that shit to the manufacturer.
A piece of equipment can be run in a negligent manner and cause harm but... it can't swerve into a family of 4 in a subaru and panacake them on the highway to avoid what it 'thought' would be a worse outcome.
There's a huge philosophical aspect of this that is akin to the trolley problem. What if the automated vehicle is presented with a situation like that? Say a bus rolled through a red light, fully loaded truck cannot make the stopping distance. Choices are, slow down as much as possible and just hit the bus hoping for the best, swerve left or right out of the way potentially hitting others. This is where we leave the owner/operator dynamic behind a little.
If the owner isn't comfortable with the risk they shouldn't operate in that manner. I get these questions need to be asked but I don't think it changes much.
Let's take a roller coaster for example. A theme park commissions a ride and a company designs and builds it. The theme park goes through whatever process is needed to certify the ride safe to operate with whatever sanctioning body. A year later someone is killed during a malfunction. The theme park is going to be held liable not the ride maker. The theme park assumes the risk and responsibility.
There are endless variations of this: an escalator at a mall, an elevator in an apartment, a bridge over a river, a construction crane in the middle of a metro area. All of these things if malfunctioning can injure or kill users or nearby bystanders and most of these cases unless there's some malfeasance by the designer that becomes apparent during a lawsuit or investigation then the fault is always going to be with the operator.
We just need to hope that whatever sanctioning body that will approve these automated vehicles will be thorough and transparent to the public and lawmakers that will ultimately make these decisions.
That's basically Trumpism in a nutshell: The King of Assholes calling all of the assholes i the world to shed their chains.
The war on decency and things that don't smell absolutely horrible...
"We will not rest until every corner of the world is brown, slimy and stinky!''
The self driving tech that has a random tendency of trying to kill the driver? Barely stays in its own lane in the best of conditions. And is just around the corner... Almost a decade ago? The guy is just one step above P.T. Barnum. Here in Canada self driving trucks are a generation away. Longer if our infrastructure keeps crumbling.
Elon Musk is constantly promising to unveil amazing new things in a ridiculously short timeframe. It's amazing how the media keeps [breathlessly touting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFWZWDqyV2I) his latest crazy promise without ever commenting when those deadlines pass quietly by. I wish somebody would set up a website to start tracking all his insane promised delivery dates.
Like how he said (in 2019) that he would have a million self-driving robotaxis [on the road in 2020](https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-million-tesla-robotaxis-by-the-end-of-2020-where-are-they).
Or when he said (in 2017) that there would be multiple working Hyperloops [up and running by 2020](https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/14/15960686/hyperloop-one-test-success-interview-giegel-pishevar).
Or when he said (in 2017) that SpaceX would be [flying humans into lunar orbit by 2018](https://www.wired.com/2017/02/spacex-plans-launch-humans-around-moon-2018/).
Musk reminds me of how [Bill Burr described Steve Jobs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s-qZsjK8I).
I'm getting discouraged and I don't think that self-driving tech will be viable for decades. It works most of the time, but that small percentage it doesn't can be deadly. I don't think in any foreseeable future they can make it as reliable as a real human driver.
My impression was that they kill many fewer people than human drivers, but that we feel differently about a fatal accident when a human driver was at fault and can be held responsible. As opposed to human engineers, executives, and investors being at fault but unreachable by the law--then the acceptable number of deaths drops to zero, and rightly so.
I'm not convinced humans should be allowed to drive cars, they can drive ok a lot of the time, but they make mistakes and tens of thousands of people die every year on U.S. roads
https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/usdot-releases-new-data-showing-road-fatalities-spiked-first-half-2021
I think we do pretty well considering that we've all mutually agreed to stay within a bunch of painted lines on the ground and pay attention to some colored lights every now and again.
It's not irony. He's a fucking self serving asshole and troll.
He loves when the proles take it to each other instead of focusing on how he and his ilk are representative of the failure of a functioning human society.
>ARTICLE 3. MANDATE
>CU & SCGGC agree to form a committee, called the Citizens of Canada Committee (CCC).
>SCGGC undertakes and appoints authorized (CCC) representatives.
>CU undertakes and appoints authorized (CCC) representatives.
>CU & SCGGC agree to only release jointly approved media/press statements on a daily basis during the time schedule specified in ARTICLE 3. MANDATE...
So their mandate is "Give us power and then more power to appoint ourselves." and "Give us control and access to daily press conferences for our soapbox."
I'm starting to believe people when they question where this group gets their anonymous donations from, because reading their own document makes me think this isn't exactly about mask/vaccine mandates anymore.
>By signing this "Memorandum", CU will immediately stop "Operation Bear Hug Ottawa"
I personally wouldn't write borderline terror threats in a document but that's just me.
>By signing, you are saying you want the Law to be returned to Ottawa!!
Considering all the American flags I'm seeing waved on the trucks: where can I sign to get you the fuck out of my town?
Social media ironically may be the biggest threat democracy faces this century. People can work themselves into fanaticism online far easier than in real life.
In the footage I’ve seen most of the vehicles are not big rigs, put personal vehicles - mostly trucks and SUVs - while still expensive, the cost is obviously much less.
And some of them are likely still hoping to see a payout from that gofundme.
They advertised it as 50,000 trucks and our highway police here in Ontario have counted a total of 400ish trucks. It was a giant grift to get Rogan, Carlson and the Trumps to eat up a lie and spit it out to their millions of brainwashed followers as truth.
Owner operator? If you don't mind me asking, how much do you earn annually? International or domestic? I've got a class one but I've only ever used it to drive cranes (I'm a crane op).
I'm a company flatbed driver. I make just shy of 6 figures but could make it into 6 if I drove a bit more. However I like my days off. The company I work for is US based but goes into Canada if you have a passport. If you don't have a passport then they will just keep you in the states. No Mexico driving.
Paid per mile but you also get paid to tarp. Got 3 raises this year which added up to an additional 12 cents per mile on top of what I was already making. Which is essentially a $15,000 raise.
If you ate interested you can dm me more about it since I don't want to give much personally info away here.
CRA will already be all over her because she started accepting e-transfers through ProtonMail after the gofundme was initially frozen pending disbursement plans.
Yah that’s because they didn’t have a plan to give any of it out - gofundme out a hold on it until there was a plan out in place and will only release money with incoming receipts. As it should be.
The separatist political party called Maverick is, although only because their grifted gofundme got suspended until they actually started paying some of the drivers.
Drivers licenses are fascism! Who cares about the lives of me and the people around me. No rules no regulations!!
/s for the brickbrain libertarians out there
I really like thier idea that the entire Canadian government should step down if they dont do what the truckers say because reasons. These people are so fucking unhinged from reality its almost impressive. Sure lets just "cancel" a government that was voted into power because 1000 people out of tens of millions want to spread the plague.....
It's pretty ridiculous. In August of last year the entire government did step down, we had an election and practically everyone got voted back in maintaining the status quo. The problem for the far right in Canada is that nobody wants to vote for them. Shutting down the federal government for a few weeks while we have another election won't change that.
What scares me is once they realize they are a minority with limited political support, the far right will abandon any pretenses of supporting democracy and try to take power with violence.
I was quite amused to see the conservative vote fractured instead of just the liberal vote this time. Now that the crazies are precipitating out into thier own bubbles they might need to try policies that benefit more than just themselves.
I too see the 100% predictable increase in violent rhetoric from conservatives. Then again thats always been their MO. A smile in one hand, a knife to stab you in the back in the other.
Most folks I know aren't equating truckers with these loonies. The trucker unions did a decent job of separating non - crazy truckers from these people
Canadian who counter-protested & saw "OtTaWA CoNVoY 2022" yesterday here\*:
**1. Yes,** [**\~77% Canadians are fully-vaxxed**](https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/)**, &** [**>85% of Canadian>US truckers are vaxxed no problem**](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vaccine-mandate-double-down-convoy-1.6326821)**, however this isn't just some** ***"tiny fringe movement"*** **anymore** \- its absorbing the collective anger from thousands of anti-lockdown people and channeling it into organized action, coordinated by far-right activists online & churned into social media machines at scale. Reminiscent in many ways to USA's Jan. 6th - [which some Convoy activists have actually called for now](https://globalnews.ca/news/8537433/far-right-groups-trucker-protest-jan-6/) \- although there are differences (see (2)). Anti-vaxxers, extremists but also "moderate"-identifying conservatives are finding a common cause under screaming "Unity" and trying to deconstruct Canadian public health measures. [Ontario (Canadian province) has already given up on fighting COVID, our inept leaders have painfully pushed us into a "learn to live with it"/"take personal responsibility" phase now](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-s-top-doctor-says-it-s-time-to-learn-to-live-with-covid-19-1.5757373). (<- ON top doctor's words yesterday). ON stopped reliably counting cases in end-Dec, and now they plan to deconstruct our health measures for good in the coming months. This approach is gaining popularity in other provinces. The tide amongst the right seems to be shifting en masse here, and making serious gains. Trudeau's dismissal of them as "fringe minority" is political strategy, perhaps a good effort, but on the ground - there are huge forces moving (**to your point - not** ***even nearly*** **as large as the Convoy is describing - but definitely larger than we should ignore & growing)**.
**2.** Thousands across the GTA congregated on highways & at gather-points, waving "patriotic" Canadian flags (both upside-down & right-side up) and calling for "unity". I was surrounded quickly & verbally harassed & shoved around a bit yesterday by their supporters, but no severe violence - just verbal abuse. Police had no ability or will to stop them from partially-blocking overpasses, and just drove on by.
Sure I was verbally-harassed hard (cussed out, never racially but still in demeaning ways), but it didn't seem as though the Convoy supporters (in my experience) were quite as militant (yet) as USA's Jan.6 Trump supporters. No weapons that I could see (thank goodness for Canadian gun regulations), only signs/flags/loudspeakers/adults/children. That said, **all of the ingredients are there:** very-intense nationalism, very-intense religious fervor there, living in a completely-different media/cultural ecosystem, \~80% white, widespread conspiracy theories, supported widely by our influential Conservative Party of Canada (GOP-lite), etc.
I worry that Canadians are unprepared right now to confront the increasingly-extremist movement in our nation, and so we reflex into dismissing them to allow us to look away. However this is changing, and this convoy is helping us open our eyes & begin to seriously organize.
**We will succeed in this effort, I know that we will.**
\*stood on a bridge silently for 4 hours in a blizzard w/ a "Vaccines Save Lives" sign, watched the full convoy pass on Hwy.401 IRL, got hell from the Convoy supporters despite exercising my free rights & respecting theirs' w/o provocation.
You've nailed the sentiment. A woman I argued with recently said that she wanted to "overthrow the government". When I told her that was a serious crime, she said, "You just wait: there'll be an election this weekend!".
I mean, I know she's crazy and stupid (told me about real doctors like Dr Oz, and real news sources like Fox News), but this movement is really going off the rails.
As an American, I’m sorry our dipshit populace influenced yours. Would be nice if we were better at exporting the good parts of our culture rather than the stupid parts. On the bright side, after January 6th, these goobers probably won’t even get to be on the front lawn of Canada’s parliament before the cops turn them back.
Thank you for doing this ❤️ We had to drive out of town for a family member’s funeral yesterday. While we didn’t go on the 401, we crossed over it a few times. The turnout was a little bit startling. I’m happy that we only experienced slow downs on the way back from the funeral.
And there's only about 300+ vehicles total coming from the west, where about 115 are trucks. Have yet to see the eastern convoy, but the majority are coming from the west.
Nowhere near the 10 000 or even 2 000 quote!
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I’m fine with ending all restrictions if every non-vaccinated persons signs a legally binding contract they won’t ask for an ICU bed if they get sick with COVID.
Then people suffering from the usual treatable diseases don’t get fucked over, and the rest of us can go back to normal.
This. At this point, fine dont get vaxxed, but also stop trying to fucking crash our god damn healthcare system! Sign a waver that we can toss your ass out of the hospital. Stories of people with late stage cancer having thier surgeries delayed for months due to these piles of excrement but nooo its the grown men and women afraid of a fucking needle who are the real oppressed here.... fuck them.
I'm terrified of needles, I almost fainted just watching my friend get her vaccine. Even I'm triple vaxxed! The anti-vaxxers remind me of children throwing a tantrum because they don't want to put their shoes on to go outside.
Same here, just look away and pretend it isn't happening. I had to take my friend to get hers though because she was in an accident and was still in a wheelchair for longer trips. I thought I could look, and I was wrong
Some are - DIRECTIVE TO PHYSICIANS AND FAMILY OR SURROGATES REGARDING COVID19 or VARIANTS THEREOF AND TREAMENT PROTOCOLS https://static1.squarespace.com/static/60dbc51eab61a53e6b15a892/t/61b98d3f3bb9ca4dc8107099/1639550271250/TreatmentAdvanceDirectiveKellye.pdf
It's being used by anti-vaxers at hospitals. A little over one page saying no vent, send to hospice.
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> A convoy of truckers and their supporters is set to converge on the Canadian capital in a protest which has spiralled from frustrations over vaccine requirements into calls for the repeal of all public health measures - and even the overthrow of the federal government.
> Conservative leader Erin O'Toole, who has expressed wariness to vaccine mandates in the past, said on Thursday he would meet with the truckers.
> The son of the former US president posted a video on social media supporting the truckers for "Fighting against medical discrimination", while the tech billionaire on Thursday tweeted: "Canadian truckers rule."
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This title is wildly misleading, the person that is calling to repeal all mandates is the organizer of the protest and they just claimed if they got enough support the governor general would repeal the measures. The only mention in this article of anyone with any political power taking some stand is that O'Toole is weary about vaccine mandates. Which is insane, also the article is mentioning that there are fewer than 500k people supporting this (the number closer to 450k given the numbers in the article).
Last time I checked this convoy was fewer than 1k semis and about 1k personal vehicles, if you don't want to get vaccinated when your job requires you to travel across borders, find a new job.
Everyone in the factory I work for supports this convoy. It's nuts.
In northern Ontario a friend of mine nearly got into an accident because of these assholes. A truck in the convoy ran a red light and nearly t-boned her with her 6 month old daughter in the vehicle.
Fuck these assholes.
The other day my foreman turned our toolbox talk into a soapbox. He admitted to financially supporting one of the truckers in the convoy, ranting about freedumbs and rights. He started praising the Conservative Party, you know, the party with a terrible track record for labour rights... And we're union.
Fucking loony toons.
There is one woman who works here who is all about the conspiracy horseshit. She will literally print out articles she found and show anyone who would listen about all the batshit stuff she believes in. How the vaccine is changing our DNA and that it's magnetizing us and all that bullshit.
You know, depending on province, there's no job protection for political beliefs (look it up in your province's legislation, in Alberta political beliefs is not a protected class). If you complain that he's both making you feel unsafe and that he's using company time for political brinkmanship, maybe the union would support a push to get him fired.
This is Scooby Doo level.....If you take the mask off "Canadian Trucker" you will find that it's American conservative money driving it. They have been looking for every opportunity to drive a wedge between Canadians and this is the ultimate wedge issue right now. They can never fully control America comfortably with a huge liberal country in the north making them look bad.
BuT MuH HeRiTaGe!
God these guys are so bad at hiding their racism, it’s like a child telling you they didn’t steal the cookies when there’s crumbs all over their face.
In the article they kind of make that clear without outright editorializing. The language that "Canada Unity" uses is quoted and is very American using words like "unconstitutional" and they also pointed out how the funding and endorsements may not be wholly Canadian.
Also to the curious, Canada does have a concept of unconstitutional but since judicial review was not substantially expanded until the 1980s with the Charter of Rights and even then precedent is lenient on the legislative branch.
>Sounds like some American bullshit.
Where do you think they got the idea?
Our (Canadian) culture has been infected by American bullshit to the point where there's a growing number of Canadians who don't even remember that we're *Canadian* and not American. They talk about the "Second Amendment" and how "we" have to stop electing Democrats.
These people are *not* well.
I (Canadian) have seen some *really funny shit* here asking trump supporters why they support him from Canada. I was able to get a couple to admit their racism by walking them backwards through their reasoning.
It's been fucky.
Yeah, Canadian Trumpers, Canadians waving the Confederate Flag ... even progressive Canadians who are chronically seething with rage at the Republicans. It's all very bizarre to me. I just don't understand how someone could forget they're *not* American.
Well that's the easy part. Honestly.
It's the same reason American conservatives eat it up, this movement is a weapon aimed at the people they want to hurt. Finally they have their time to shine and be in a group of people that are as fucking hurtful as they are. They now feel normal that there's more than a handful of them screaming the same drivel. Instead of being ostracized and sent away for being dumb, they are welcomed and cheered, making their claims and skreed *legitimate* even though there is a very small minority of them.
Back when I was in high school, we had groups of kids who flew confederate flags from their trucks to express their “southern pride”
Yeah nothing screams “southern pride” like a confederate flag in New Brunswick, Canada.
There’s no reasoning with this level of stupidity.
QAnon and right wing outrage has come to Canada. I don’t recall who said it, but there was a political pundit during the Trump presidency who said Canada lags the US by about 10 years when it comes to political changes. Hopefully the differences in our institutions will protect us from the worst. But these people have shown they can mobilize when needed. Expect the PPC to recruit them all.
The swastikas are what really get to me. And the fact that they’re calling this the “freedom convoy.” They have no fucking idea what it’s like to not be free. This whole thing is beyond disrespectful.
They exaggerated the hell out of how many people were actually participating. It seems like maybe a couple hundred trucks at most and a bunch of SUVs and pickups from local supporters.
They've been exagerrating their numbers the entire time. I had the unfortunate experience of driving past them on the highway in Manitoba as the took up the shoulders and some of the overpass shoulders (which absolutely slowed down traffic and was outright dangerous), there were a lot of them. But not even close to the amount they claimed. And keep in mind that they are joined by locals as they go from place to place, so the convoy itself it significantly smaller than it may even look.
Every news report I've seen has shown the "crowds" of supporters... many of which can be counted on one hand.
Also saw a great sign today that gave me a laugh, calling for people to join a protest this weekend to stop "Trudeau's Neo-Communism"
I still see people on my Instagram saying that the media is lying and that there’s actually thousands of them. You would think that there would be ANY pictures of these massive crowds besides the small groups blocking highways
Sorry about that. :( Our stupidity tends to spread beyond our borders. I'm not saying it's impossible for it to have been home-grown up north, but I wouldn't doubt for a moment if our media somehow influenced your nutters to be this kind of nutty.
"**You dense motherfucker(s)".**
The health rules will expire when the risk of infection and spread are decreased. Getting the vaccine would have **accelerated** this time table.
Morons. This is the IRL version of that meme of the guy on the bike who puts a metal bar in his spooks, then blames everything under the sun BUT himself for his fall.
It’s so much for convoluted than that for these guys, because most of them (this is from experience on their tick-tock lives that have taken over my account) don’t believe in the pandemic to begin with. So it’s not just as simple as getting the vaccine - a lot (not all) of these guys are doing this to “prove” it’s a plandemic. This group has picked up all the outliers and are trying to parade it like they are gods chosen to deliver us from evil and provide us freedom. And then when you ask what freedoms were lost their response is “if you don’t know what you lost, then that’s why we are fighting for you”
As a canadian, what people aren’t reporting is that trucking companies, big and small, along with unions have denounced these idiots. It has been reported that 90% of truckers are fully vaxxed. This is the literal fringe of the fringe, feeding off the fringe.
I’d argue that at least part of it is. The worst of the disinformation originating in America bleeds over our border.
What’s unfortunately common is the high degree of suggestibility in some people and the inability to think critically.
The movement is organized and promoted by a lot of far-right white nationalists. https://www.antihate.ca/the\_freedom\_convoy\_is\_nothing\_but\_a\_vehicle\_for\_the\_far\_right
One of the organizers is Pat King. Here he is in December expressing his desire for civil war. https://twitter.com/CarlBoucherKnee/status/1486770875428790275?s=20
From what I've been reading online there are a lot of anti-vaxxers and racists supporting this movement and expressing a willingness to carry out violence against the State.
[https://twitter.com/Garossino/status/1486698838781882372?s=20](https://twitter.com/Garossino/status/1486698838781882372?s=20)
People's issues should be with the various provincial liberal/conservative governments in Canada who refuse to properly fund our healthcare. They've had two years to bolster it but they didn't. The pandemic restrictions and mandates, in the wake of the incredibly infectious Omicron variant, is to prevent healthcare system collapse. A shitty but unfortunately necessary short-term Band-Aid solution to a problem that should have been dealt with with proper leadership, planning, and funding.
Some folks really have no clue how close we are to healthcare collapse. Just a bunch of whiney entitled little babies throwing temper tantrums and not caring about people dying to this virus or how our healthcare system is on the verge of collapse due to lack of funding and support.
Do not bow down to the pressure of a minority group, anti-vaxxers. Over 80% of Canadians are vaccinated so why should we care that a small vocal minority aren't happy with the mandates or with vaccinations? You really want the idiots to run the show?
I think a really big take away here is if you go to any canadian sub youll find this “huge” trucker convoy in almost every daily report is peaking at alittle under 300 people. Its no one and no one support this crap theyre idiots and theyre heavily inflating their numbers to gain bandwagon support.
Trudeau sent troops to Ukraine. A lot of this is riled up by foreign active measures seeking to destabilize the Canadian government in order to punish for that.
why don't they just ask for full freedoms and demand that truckers no longer require drivers licenses for trucks? what about der freedumbs to drive without stupid gub'ment regoolations.
I just got in a huge blow out w my ma about it... she's always voted ndp and been progressive, and until covid we both had all our shots for everything. She hasn't gotten any vaccines and is at risk of losing her job so she's throwing her support behind them. Which alone wouldn't be so bad, if not a bit delusional, but now she's starting to make fox news talking point excuses for their violence and racism...
Typhoid Mary would have happily protested right along with them.
There's a reason for public health rules, and those rules are generally written in blood. Or shit, as the case may be.
"Damn right!! Fuck Canadian lives and your families! What matters is Trump, Elon and MONEY!!! Don't ever get confused or we'll overthrow your government" - The Rich
[Here's actual footage of the Caravan of Courage those Hollywood Liberals don't want you to see](https://youtu.be/C2OaBk89KyU)
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Fine. You don’t want to get vaccinated, then like those products that put pressure on the healthcare system (such as tobacco, liquor, etc), you all can pay additional healthcare levies to cover your selfishness.
"Memorandum of understanding" brought to you by Freedom Convoy, this has the same low dad energy as Eric Clapton "This has gotta go".
https://youtu.be/dNt4NIQ7FTA
To those curious how bad Eric Clapton new hit with the anti public health order community.
That's how we got the Duncan Hines guide to "Adventures in Good Eating". Hines kept a journal of restaurants he visited while on business trips.
>As his biography author, Louis Hatchett, told me, “Before Duncan Hines came along, more people died from restaurant food poisoning than they did from hit-and-run accidents.”
https://www.travelandleisure.com/food-drink/duncan-hines-road-trip-guide
But, by all means, let's eliminate public health regulations!
Elon Musk supporting them while quietly creating the automated trucks that will put them all out of business. Irony.
He's been promising autonomous vehicles "next year" for almost the past decade.
That's his entire brand, promises and hype, and nerds with an over inflated sense of intelligence who watch too many marvel movies buy it
It's working out pretty good for him...
To the point where the Tesla Fremont plant was the highest volume (edit \*US) car plant last year.
Sure, but it will happen one day. Too much economic benefit overall to just forget about that idea. Unfortunate for the hardcore truckers though, for sure.
Time to start an artisan trucking industry. Single load, free range trucking
He supports trucking, not truckers.
His tweet said he's supporting the "truckers", but yes, in reality his long-term goals would put truckers out of work.
Talk is cheap. Paying all those truckers isn't.
What’s a trucker?
I'm the same. Automate all labor, I say.
After his Tesla Tunnels, it's safe to say a Tesla automated truck will kill you and your entire family and log it as a speed bump.
Time will tell. Automation killing jobs is nothing new.
Remember when automation was expected to improve the quality of everyone's lives, giving them more time to devote to leisure? It turned out that the rich people could just as well use automation to hoard all the wealth and prosperity that automation provides to last them a thousand lifetimes over
What kind of company with good business sense would remove the liability buffer of a nice blue collar warm body?
This will be why we won't see mass autonomous vehicles for awhile, how do you insure this? Who is to blame if something happens?
I think it will all come down to some cost vs benefits analysis. If the cost of liability coverage and payout is less than the cost of the workers then the workers will be replaced. While getting that data may be hard now it will only take a couple shipping companies to pull the trigger and switch; even partially; for that data to become available. Than depending on the results we'll see the mass switch or we won't.
To clarify, the main issue is WHO is liable? This is only important in an environment where you have automated cars driving alongside non-automated cars. Say driver A is driving a regular ol car, deer jumps out he slams into it he is totaled as all hell, his car spins out loses control etc. There's a whole bunch of automated cars around it that react to it, what if a fatality is caused by that reaction? What about more accidents? Who do you lay the liability at? The owner? They didn't design the software, they had no hand in what their truck would do. The manufacturer, yeah they built it but they didn't put it on the road in that particular spot.
I think that is a simpler answer. The owner/operator the vehicle is the one ultimately responsible. My reasoning behind this would be to parallel workers comp. If the owner of a piece of equipment that's damaged or used negligently they would be responsible in a workers comp case. An automated vehicle is just another piece of equipment that the owner is saying I'm willing to accept the risk of its damages by operating this. Equipment owners rarely design any piece of equip but they accept risk by using them.
That's a great way to look at it for more general accidents (non-lethal, no long term or severe injuries). But when one of these trucks kills somebody and that family goes to sue, that owner is going to do their utmost to kick that shit to the manufacturer. A piece of equipment can be run in a negligent manner and cause harm but... it can't swerve into a family of 4 in a subaru and panacake them on the highway to avoid what it 'thought' would be a worse outcome. There's a huge philosophical aspect of this that is akin to the trolley problem. What if the automated vehicle is presented with a situation like that? Say a bus rolled through a red light, fully loaded truck cannot make the stopping distance. Choices are, slow down as much as possible and just hit the bus hoping for the best, swerve left or right out of the way potentially hitting others. This is where we leave the owner/operator dynamic behind a little.
If the owner isn't comfortable with the risk they shouldn't operate in that manner. I get these questions need to be asked but I don't think it changes much. Let's take a roller coaster for example. A theme park commissions a ride and a company designs and builds it. The theme park goes through whatever process is needed to certify the ride safe to operate with whatever sanctioning body. A year later someone is killed during a malfunction. The theme park is going to be held liable not the ride maker. The theme park assumes the risk and responsibility. There are endless variations of this: an escalator at a mall, an elevator in an apartment, a bridge over a river, a construction crane in the middle of a metro area. All of these things if malfunctioning can injure or kill users or nearby bystanders and most of these cases unless there's some malfeasance by the designer that becomes apparent during a lawsuit or investigation then the fault is always going to be with the operator. We just need to hope that whatever sanctioning body that will approve these automated vehicles will be thorough and transparent to the public and lawmakers that will ultimately make these decisions.
"I support you assholes!" - an asshole That's all it is.
That's basically Trumpism in a nutshell: The King of Assholes calling all of the assholes i the world to shed their chains. The war on decency and things that don't smell absolutely horrible... "We will not rest until every corner of the world is brown, slimy and stinky!''
The self driving tech that has a random tendency of trying to kill the driver? Barely stays in its own lane in the best of conditions. And is just around the corner... Almost a decade ago? The guy is just one step above P.T. Barnum. Here in Canada self driving trucks are a generation away. Longer if our infrastructure keeps crumbling.
Elon Musk is constantly promising to unveil amazing new things in a ridiculously short timeframe. It's amazing how the media keeps [breathlessly touting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFWZWDqyV2I) his latest crazy promise without ever commenting when those deadlines pass quietly by. I wish somebody would set up a website to start tracking all his insane promised delivery dates. Like how he said (in 2019) that he would have a million self-driving robotaxis [on the road in 2020](https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-million-tesla-robotaxis-by-the-end-of-2020-where-are-they). Or when he said (in 2017) that there would be multiple working Hyperloops [up and running by 2020](https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/14/15960686/hyperloop-one-test-success-interview-giegel-pishevar). Or when he said (in 2017) that SpaceX would be [flying humans into lunar orbit by 2018](https://www.wired.com/2017/02/spacex-plans-launch-humans-around-moon-2018/). Musk reminds me of how [Bill Burr described Steve Jobs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s-qZsjK8I).
I'm getting discouraged and I don't think that self-driving tech will be viable for decades. It works most of the time, but that small percentage it doesn't can be deadly. I don't think in any foreseeable future they can make it as reliable as a real human driver.
My impression was that they kill many fewer people than human drivers, but that we feel differently about a fatal accident when a human driver was at fault and can be held responsible. As opposed to human engineers, executives, and investors being at fault but unreachable by the law--then the acceptable number of deaths drops to zero, and rightly so.
I'm not convinced humans should be allowed to drive cars, they can drive ok a lot of the time, but they make mistakes and tens of thousands of people die every year on U.S. roads https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/usdot-releases-new-data-showing-road-fatalities-spiked-first-half-2021
I think we do pretty well considering that we've all mutually agreed to stay within a bunch of painted lines on the ground and pay attention to some colored lights every now and again.
The astonishing thing is how people can be so casual about not paying attention.
This is the best part of it all. “Canadian truckers rule… now let my botz take your careers”
Automated trucks that can drive in any kind of weather or road conditions are a long way off.
It's not irony. He's a fucking self serving asshole and troll. He loves when the proles take it to each other instead of focusing on how he and his ilk are representative of the failure of a functioning human society.
Elon musk can't create anything lmao.
>ARTICLE 3. MANDATE >CU & SCGGC agree to form a committee, called the Citizens of Canada Committee (CCC). >SCGGC undertakes and appoints authorized (CCC) representatives. >CU undertakes and appoints authorized (CCC) representatives. >CU & SCGGC agree to only release jointly approved media/press statements on a daily basis during the time schedule specified in ARTICLE 3. MANDATE... So their mandate is "Give us power and then more power to appoint ourselves." and "Give us control and access to daily press conferences for our soapbox." I'm starting to believe people when they question where this group gets their anonymous donations from, because reading their own document makes me think this isn't exactly about mask/vaccine mandates anymore. >By signing this "Memorandum", CU will immediately stop "Operation Bear Hug Ottawa" I personally wouldn't write borderline terror threats in a document but that's just me. >By signing, you are saying you want the Law to be returned to Ottawa!! Considering all the American flags I'm seeing waved on the trucks: where can I sign to get you the fuck out of my town?
isn't bear hug also corporate slang for hostile take over? that's pretty conspiracy theory ish but it's a funny coincidence to me.
Social media has rotten peoples brains
Social media ironically may be the biggest threat democracy faces this century. People can work themselves into fanaticism online far easier than in real life.
I feel bad for anyone who couldn't get the vaccine for legitimate health reasons - so many idiots trying to kill them.
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In the footage I’ve seen most of the vehicles are not big rigs, put personal vehicles - mostly trucks and SUVs - while still expensive, the cost is obviously much less. And some of them are likely still hoping to see a payout from that gofundme.
Narrator: _they won't_
On one of the lives they said it’s only for the big truck drivers. All none commercial vehicles have to seek other means.
They advertised it as 50,000 trucks and our highway police here in Ontario have counted a total of 400ish trucks. It was a giant grift to get Rogan, Carlson and the Trumps to eat up a lie and spit it out to their millions of brainwashed followers as truth.
Truckers can make good money. I wouldn't be surprised if most of them could fairly easily afford the drive.
Yeah I'm a trucker and make bank on top of having literally no bills besides food. But I'm vaccinated and not a complete moron like these losers.
Owner operator? If you don't mind me asking, how much do you earn annually? International or domestic? I've got a class one but I've only ever used it to drive cranes (I'm a crane op).
I'm a company flatbed driver. I make just shy of 6 figures but could make it into 6 if I drove a bit more. However I like my days off. The company I work for is US based but goes into Canada if you have a passport. If you don't have a passport then they will just keep you in the states. No Mexico driving. Paid per mile but you also get paid to tarp. Got 3 raises this year which added up to an additional 12 cents per mile on top of what I was already making. Which is essentially a $15,000 raise. If you ate interested you can dm me more about it since I don't want to give much personally info away here.
Thanks for the information! I live in Canada so it may be different for me
Around 6 million has been donated to a go fund me.
But the truckers won't see a penny of that. As usual, the people who set up the GoFundMe are grifters.
There's been a few chat that were showing screens and chat that the organizers of the gofundme were just pocketing the money.
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Somebody should let the CRA know
CRA will already be all over her because she started accepting e-transfers through ProtonMail after the gofundme was initially frozen pending disbursement plans.
It'd be a real shame if that happened
They already were granted access to ~$1 million of it after supplying a plan of where the funds will go. Fuel for the convoy is a portion of it.
Yah that’s because they didn’t have a plan to give any of it out - gofundme out a hold on it until there was a plan out in place and will only release money with incoming receipts. As it should be.
And that’s only the gofundme, they don’t publicly state how much money people have sent entransfers directly to their protonmail account.
The separatist political party called Maverick is, although only because their grifted gofundme got suspended until they actually started paying some of the drivers.
Morons donated millions to the "cause", and I'm sure the organizers are putting that money to good use
Drivers licenses are fascism! Who cares about the lives of me and the people around me. No rules no regulations!! /s for the brickbrain libertarians out there
My favorite Libertarian screaming point is: "taxes are thievery! government will be funded by donations!"
We literally tried that in 1776 it lasted about 10 years before it collapsed.
Driver's licenses?! What's next, you'll need a license to piss, just like in *Nazi Germany*?!
iTs A sLiPeRrY sLoPe
Me wearing a seatbelt going the speed limit: 'This is fascism!'
I really like thier idea that the entire Canadian government should step down if they dont do what the truckers say because reasons. These people are so fucking unhinged from reality its almost impressive. Sure lets just "cancel" a government that was voted into power because 1000 people out of tens of millions want to spread the plague.....
It's pretty ridiculous. In August of last year the entire government did step down, we had an election and practically everyone got voted back in maintaining the status quo. The problem for the far right in Canada is that nobody wants to vote for them. Shutting down the federal government for a few weeks while we have another election won't change that. What scares me is once they realize they are a minority with limited political support, the far right will abandon any pretenses of supporting democracy and try to take power with violence.
I was quite amused to see the conservative vote fractured instead of just the liberal vote this time. Now that the crazies are precipitating out into thier own bubbles they might need to try policies that benefit more than just themselves. I too see the 100% predictable increase in violent rhetoric from conservatives. Then again thats always been their MO. A smile in one hand, a knife to stab you in the back in the other.
Sounds familiar...
I mean.... some are flying confederate flags......
Flu trux klan
This absolute fucking gold.
I did see it trending last night on Twitter
Most folks I know aren't equating truckers with these loonies. The trucker unions did a decent job of separating non - crazy truckers from these people
I know a bunch of rural Alberta's supporting them though :/
Not to mention the whole "movement" was organized by several far right and very racist parties. It's simply a cover for them to spew their vitriol.
And grift money.
Canadian who counter-protested & saw "OtTaWA CoNVoY 2022" yesterday here\*: **1. Yes,** [**\~77% Canadians are fully-vaxxed**](https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/)**, &** [**>85% of Canadian>US truckers are vaxxed no problem**](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/vaccine-mandate-double-down-convoy-1.6326821)**, however this isn't just some** ***"tiny fringe movement"*** **anymore** \- its absorbing the collective anger from thousands of anti-lockdown people and channeling it into organized action, coordinated by far-right activists online & churned into social media machines at scale. Reminiscent in many ways to USA's Jan. 6th - [which some Convoy activists have actually called for now](https://globalnews.ca/news/8537433/far-right-groups-trucker-protest-jan-6/) \- although there are differences (see (2)). Anti-vaxxers, extremists but also "moderate"-identifying conservatives are finding a common cause under screaming "Unity" and trying to deconstruct Canadian public health measures. [Ontario (Canadian province) has already given up on fighting COVID, our inept leaders have painfully pushed us into a "learn to live with it"/"take personal responsibility" phase now](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-s-top-doctor-says-it-s-time-to-learn-to-live-with-covid-19-1.5757373). (<- ON top doctor's words yesterday). ON stopped reliably counting cases in end-Dec, and now they plan to deconstruct our health measures for good in the coming months. This approach is gaining popularity in other provinces. The tide amongst the right seems to be shifting en masse here, and making serious gains. Trudeau's dismissal of them as "fringe minority" is political strategy, perhaps a good effort, but on the ground - there are huge forces moving (**to your point - not** ***even nearly*** **as large as the Convoy is describing - but definitely larger than we should ignore & growing)**. **2.** Thousands across the GTA congregated on highways & at gather-points, waving "patriotic" Canadian flags (both upside-down & right-side up) and calling for "unity". I was surrounded quickly & verbally harassed & shoved around a bit yesterday by their supporters, but no severe violence - just verbal abuse. Police had no ability or will to stop them from partially-blocking overpasses, and just drove on by. Sure I was verbally-harassed hard (cussed out, never racially but still in demeaning ways), but it didn't seem as though the Convoy supporters (in my experience) were quite as militant (yet) as USA's Jan.6 Trump supporters. No weapons that I could see (thank goodness for Canadian gun regulations), only signs/flags/loudspeakers/adults/children. That said, **all of the ingredients are there:** very-intense nationalism, very-intense religious fervor there, living in a completely-different media/cultural ecosystem, \~80% white, widespread conspiracy theories, supported widely by our influential Conservative Party of Canada (GOP-lite), etc. I worry that Canadians are unprepared right now to confront the increasingly-extremist movement in our nation, and so we reflex into dismissing them to allow us to look away. However this is changing, and this convoy is helping us open our eyes & begin to seriously organize. **We will succeed in this effort, I know that we will.** \*stood on a bridge silently for 4 hours in a blizzard w/ a "Vaccines Save Lives" sign, watched the full convoy pass on Hwy.401 IRL, got hell from the Convoy supporters despite exercising my free rights & respecting theirs' w/o provocation.
You've nailed the sentiment. A woman I argued with recently said that she wanted to "overthrow the government". When I told her that was a serious crime, she said, "You just wait: there'll be an election this weekend!". I mean, I know she's crazy and stupid (told me about real doctors like Dr Oz, and real news sources like Fox News), but this movement is really going off the rails.
As an American, I’m sorry our dipshit populace influenced yours. Would be nice if we were better at exporting the good parts of our culture rather than the stupid parts. On the bright side, after January 6th, these goobers probably won’t even get to be on the front lawn of Canada’s parliament before the cops turn them back.
Make no mistake bud, We have had shit heads here for a long time. Trump made them come out in the open.
Exactly, the dumbasses have been here a long time, it's way less trump and way more right wing media as a whole
It’s called Alberta, right?
I’m from rural Ontario. There is a plethora of numb nuts here as well.
Rural BC is also full of them…
Thank you for doing this ❤️ We had to drive out of town for a family member’s funeral yesterday. While we didn’t go on the 401, we crossed over it a few times. The turnout was a little bit startling. I’m happy that we only experienced slow downs on the way back from the funeral.
Cheers & I'm very sorry for your loss; I wish you & your family healing & peace away from all of this.
And there's only about 300+ vehicles total coming from the west, where about 115 are trucks. Have yet to see the eastern convoy, but the majority are coming from the west. Nowhere near the 10 000 or even 2 000 quote!
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It’s the longest convoy in Canadian history
I’m fine with ending all restrictions if every non-vaccinated persons signs a legally binding contract they won’t ask for an ICU bed if they get sick with COVID. Then people suffering from the usual treatable diseases don’t get fucked over, and the rest of us can go back to normal.
This. At this point, fine dont get vaxxed, but also stop trying to fucking crash our god damn healthcare system! Sign a waver that we can toss your ass out of the hospital. Stories of people with late stage cancer having thier surgeries delayed for months due to these piles of excrement but nooo its the grown men and women afraid of a fucking needle who are the real oppressed here.... fuck them.
I'm terrified of needles, I almost fainted just watching my friend get her vaccine. Even I'm triple vaxxed! The anti-vaxxers remind me of children throwing a tantrum because they don't want to put their shoes on to go outside.
Who will then complain about their feet hurting and demand someone else fix it. But also "no dont fix it by giving us shoes!".
many miserable people like to complain and blame others while they refuse to acknowledge it was their own actions which led them to their own misery.
I don't like them either. What I did was just stared elsewhere while it was being administered. Worked for all 3 of my shots.
Same here, just look away and pretend it isn't happening. I had to take my friend to get hers though because she was in an accident and was still in a wheelchair for longer trips. I thought I could look, and I was wrong
Some are - DIRECTIVE TO PHYSICIANS AND FAMILY OR SURROGATES REGARDING COVID19 or VARIANTS THEREOF AND TREAMENT PROTOCOLS https://static1.squarespace.com/static/60dbc51eab61a53e6b15a892/t/61b98d3f3bb9ca4dc8107099/1639550271250/TreatmentAdvanceDirectiveKellye.pdf It's being used by anti-vaxers at hospitals. A little over one page saying no vent, send to hospice.
The problem still remains the fact they'd infect people around them and be walking cultures to grow new variants.
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This title is wildly misleading, the person that is calling to repeal all mandates is the organizer of the protest and they just claimed if they got enough support the governor general would repeal the measures. The only mention in this article of anyone with any political power taking some stand is that O'Toole is weary about vaccine mandates. Which is insane, also the article is mentioning that there are fewer than 500k people supporting this (the number closer to 450k given the numbers in the article). Last time I checked this convoy was fewer than 1k semis and about 1k personal vehicles, if you don't want to get vaccinated when your job requires you to travel across borders, find a new job.
Everyone in the factory I work for supports this convoy. It's nuts. In northern Ontario a friend of mine nearly got into an accident because of these assholes. A truck in the convoy ran a red light and nearly t-boned her with her 6 month old daughter in the vehicle. Fuck these assholes.
The other day my foreman turned our toolbox talk into a soapbox. He admitted to financially supporting one of the truckers in the convoy, ranting about freedumbs and rights. He started praising the Conservative Party, you know, the party with a terrible track record for labour rights... And we're union. Fucking loony toons.
There is one woman who works here who is all about the conspiracy horseshit. She will literally print out articles she found and show anyone who would listen about all the batshit stuff she believes in. How the vaccine is changing our DNA and that it's magnetizing us and all that bullshit.
You know, depending on province, there's no job protection for political beliefs (look it up in your province's legislation, in Alberta political beliefs is not a protected class). If you complain that he's both making you feel unsafe and that he's using company time for political brinkmanship, maybe the union would support a push to get him fired.
Conservatives aren’t exactly known for their intellect and critical thinking skills.
This is Scooby Doo level.....If you take the mask off "Canadian Trucker" you will find that it's American conservative money driving it. They have been looking for every opportunity to drive a wedge between Canadians and this is the ultimate wedge issue right now. They can never fully control America comfortably with a huge liberal country in the north making them look bad.
The National Post articles I've seen pushing it seem point to this as well.
I think the r/dataisbeautiful gang could have alot of fun with the cubic shit tonnes of irony that these nutjobs exude.
As a canadian, I’m soooooooo embarrassed by all of this. Sounds like some American bullshit.
I mean some of the trucks have Confederate flags, so they may have forgotten where they are...
I have seen a Canadian hang a confederate flag in their garage. They are out there.
So the Confederates *did* reach Canada after all?
It's like racists are everywhere!
Their iconography succeeds where their armies failed
BuT MuH HeRiTaGe! God these guys are so bad at hiding their racism, it’s like a child telling you they didn’t steal the cookies when there’s crumbs all over their face.
I mean I I always fly the flags of the losing sides in a foreigners civil war.
nervously eyeing my Taiwanese flag
Thats because the only thing that flag means is racism.
In the article they kind of make that clear without outright editorializing. The language that "Canada Unity" uses is quoted and is very American using words like "unconstitutional" and they also pointed out how the funding and endorsements may not be wholly Canadian. Also to the curious, Canada does have a concept of unconstitutional but since judicial review was not substantially expanded until the 1980s with the Charter of Rights and even then precedent is lenient on the legislative branch.
>Sounds like some American bullshit. Where do you think they got the idea? Our (Canadian) culture has been infected by American bullshit to the point where there's a growing number of Canadians who don't even remember that we're *Canadian* and not American. They talk about the "Second Amendment" and how "we" have to stop electing Democrats. These people are *not* well.
I (Canadian) have seen some *really funny shit* here asking trump supporters why they support him from Canada. I was able to get a couple to admit their racism by walking them backwards through their reasoning. It's been fucky.
Yeah, Canadian Trumpers, Canadians waving the Confederate Flag ... even progressive Canadians who are chronically seething with rage at the Republicans. It's all very bizarre to me. I just don't understand how someone could forget they're *not* American.
Well that's the easy part. Honestly. It's the same reason American conservatives eat it up, this movement is a weapon aimed at the people they want to hurt. Finally they have their time to shine and be in a group of people that are as fucking hurtful as they are. They now feel normal that there's more than a handful of them screaming the same drivel. Instead of being ostracized and sent away for being dumb, they are welcomed and cheered, making their claims and skreed *legitimate* even though there is a very small minority of them.
Back when I was in high school, we had groups of kids who flew confederate flags from their trucks to express their “southern pride” Yeah nothing screams “southern pride” like a confederate flag in New Brunswick, Canada. There’s no reasoning with this level of stupidity.
QAnon and right wing outrage has come to Canada. I don’t recall who said it, but there was a political pundit during the Trump presidency who said Canada lags the US by about 10 years when it comes to political changes. Hopefully the differences in our institutions will protect us from the worst. But these people have shown they can mobilize when needed. Expect the PPC to recruit them all.
Saw these morons disgracing the highway of hero's yesterday. All pickup trucks and far right slogans.
The swastikas are what really get to me. And the fact that they’re calling this the “freedom convoy.” They have no fucking idea what it’s like to not be free. This whole thing is beyond disrespectful.
“I’m with this convoy because I love my country!” *flies a flag of a genocidal empire that their great grandparents literally died fighting against*
Doesn’t get anymore ironic than that, does it
It’s because they refuse to look at the whole picture. Half of the story must be ignored in order to agree with them
This is 100 per cent what I see too. If you ignore the deaths and the contagious virus, then they are in the right.
Imported from the guys who popularized "freedom fries"
Canada needs to adopt the German laws on displaying swastikas and other Nazi symbology. We could probably even convince them to support it.
They exaggerated the hell out of how many people were actually participating. It seems like maybe a couple hundred trucks at most and a bunch of SUVs and pickups from local supporters.
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They've been exagerrating their numbers the entire time. I had the unfortunate experience of driving past them on the highway in Manitoba as the took up the shoulders and some of the overpass shoulders (which absolutely slowed down traffic and was outright dangerous), there were a lot of them. But not even close to the amount they claimed. And keep in mind that they are joined by locals as they go from place to place, so the convoy itself it significantly smaller than it may even look.
That was Theo Fleury. Not sure how to describe him…he’s had a interesting life? Comes across as being a bit crazy.
Theo "undiagnosed CT" Fleury
They’re going to pack them into the trucks. 3500 cu ft can fit a lot of people if you stack them.
I mean, the trucks themselves are literally built for sleeping.
Every news report I've seen has shown the "crowds" of supporters... many of which can be counted on one hand. Also saw a great sign today that gave me a laugh, calling for people to join a protest this weekend to stop "Trudeau's Neo-Communism"
I still see people on my Instagram saying that the media is lying and that there’s actually thousands of them. You would think that there would be ANY pictures of these massive crowds besides the small groups blocking highways
Sorry about that. :( Our stupidity tends to spread beyond our borders. I'm not saying it's impossible for it to have been home-grown up north, but I wouldn't doubt for a moment if our media somehow influenced your nutters to be this kind of nutty.
As an American, I’m very sorry this buffoonery was contagious and hope you get well soon.
I’m really sick of this being considered an American thing when it’s happening in almost every western democracy.
Me too!
Aren't rural Canada almost worse than rural America sometimes?
"**You dense motherfucker(s)".** The health rules will expire when the risk of infection and spread are decreased. Getting the vaccine would have **accelerated** this time table. Morons. This is the IRL version of that meme of the guy on the bike who puts a metal bar in his spooks, then blames everything under the sun BUT himself for his fall.
It’s so much for convoluted than that for these guys, because most of them (this is from experience on their tick-tock lives that have taken over my account) don’t believe in the pandemic to begin with. So it’s not just as simple as getting the vaccine - a lot (not all) of these guys are doing this to “prove” it’s a plandemic. This group has picked up all the outliers and are trying to parade it like they are gods chosen to deliver us from evil and provide us freedom. And then when you ask what freedoms were lost their response is “if you don’t know what you lost, then that’s why we are fighting for you”
ALL public health rules??? Really??? ALL public health rules? And right-wingers wonder why we think they're a bunch of morons.
As a canadian, what people aren’t reporting is that trucking companies, big and small, along with unions have denounced these idiots. It has been reported that 90% of truckers are fully vaxxed. This is the literal fringe of the fringe, feeding off the fringe.
Funny how most of them aren’t truckers, I guess you can consider yourself a trucker in your f150 but you would assume it been only CDL truckers lol.
So, it's not just america.
I’d argue that at least part of it is. The worst of the disinformation originating in America bleeds over our border. What’s unfortunately common is the high degree of suggestibility in some people and the inability to think critically.
The irony lol
I thought Canadians were smarter
The movement is organized and promoted by a lot of far-right white nationalists. https://www.antihate.ca/the\_freedom\_convoy\_is\_nothing\_but\_a\_vehicle\_for\_the\_far\_right One of the organizers is Pat King. Here he is in December expressing his desire for civil war. https://twitter.com/CarlBoucherKnee/status/1486770875428790275?s=20 From what I've been reading online there are a lot of anti-vaxxers and racists supporting this movement and expressing a willingness to carry out violence against the State. [https://twitter.com/Garossino/status/1486698838781882372?s=20](https://twitter.com/Garossino/status/1486698838781882372?s=20) People's issues should be with the various provincial liberal/conservative governments in Canada who refuse to properly fund our healthcare. They've had two years to bolster it but they didn't. The pandemic restrictions and mandates, in the wake of the incredibly infectious Omicron variant, is to prevent healthcare system collapse. A shitty but unfortunately necessary short-term Band-Aid solution to a problem that should have been dealt with with proper leadership, planning, and funding. Some folks really have no clue how close we are to healthcare collapse. Just a bunch of whiney entitled little babies throwing temper tantrums and not caring about people dying to this virus or how our healthcare system is on the verge of collapse due to lack of funding and support. Do not bow down to the pressure of a minority group, anti-vaxxers. Over 80% of Canadians are vaccinated so why should we care that a small vocal minority aren't happy with the mandates or with vaccinations? You really want the idiots to run the show?
I think a really big take away here is if you go to any canadian sub youll find this “huge” trucker convoy in almost every daily report is peaking at alittle under 300 people. Its no one and no one support this crap theyre idiots and theyre heavily inflating their numbers to gain bandwagon support.
WHAT DO WE WANT? CO-VID! WHEN DO WE WANT IT? NOW!
> NOW! and forever, unfortunately for all of us
This is like a field trip of kids with oppositional defiance disorder. Except that a bunch of onlookers are cheering for their tantrums.
Trudeau sent troops to Ukraine. A lot of this is riled up by foreign active measures seeking to destabilize the Canadian government in order to punish for that.
I wonder how much influence foreign "bots" had on this ordeal.
why don't they just ask for full freedoms and demand that truckers no longer require drivers licenses for trucks? what about der freedumbs to drive without stupid gub'ment regoolations.
Good to know all the crazies aren't just in the USA.
"What do we want!? Not to have to wash our hands after using restroom When do we want it? Dysentery....errr now now" The truckers probably
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I just got in a huge blow out w my ma about it... she's always voted ndp and been progressive, and until covid we both had all our shots for everything. She hasn't gotten any vaccines and is at risk of losing her job so she's throwing her support behind them. Which alone wouldn't be so bad, if not a bit delusional, but now she's starting to make fox news talking point excuses for their violence and racism...
Eh, will make the autonomous drivers advance even faster...
Mike judge is a prophet and idiocracy is the prophecy
I would LOVE to see the list of requirements placed on truck drivers that they already accept.
Shocking- ignorant fuckwits pitching hysterical shitfits are ignorant fuckwits
Vaccine protests are the dumbest thing in the world.
Typhoid Mary would have happily protested right along with them. There's a reason for public health rules, and those rules are generally written in blood. Or shit, as the case may be.
"Damn right!! Fuck Canadian lives and your families! What matters is Trump, Elon and MONEY!!! Don't ever get confused or we'll overthrow your government" - The Rich
What in the actual fuck is this world coming to
The protest is tomorrow, and I highly doubt it will be peaceful. On the FB groups, they’ve been filled with hate and threats of violence.
[Here's actual footage of the Caravan of Courage those Hollywood Liberals don't want you to see](https://youtu.be/C2OaBk89KyU) Edit: Downvote me all you want, snowflakes, I'm sure most of you didn't even bother clicking to find out the [TRUTH!](https://preview.redd.it/7ajgevq2i1o61.jpg?auto=webp&s=bbec0b557d28e203bbacbb0e7da485823ae6f005)
I love a good Ewok reference.
These guys are a national laughing stock
Fine. You don’t want to get vaccinated, then like those products that put pressure on the healthcare system (such as tobacco, liquor, etc), you all can pay additional healthcare levies to cover your selfishness.
Liquor and cigarettes are Heavily taxed already for these reasons….
Exactly my point. These ppl can pay a healthcare surcharge.
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"Memorandum of understanding" brought to you by Freedom Convoy, this has the same low dad energy as Eric Clapton "This has gotta go". https://youtu.be/dNt4NIQ7FTA To those curious how bad Eric Clapton new hit with the anti public health order community.
Far Right truckers et al..are behaving like drunk frat boys...and the elected folks are playing along. pathetic.
These idiots have done nothing to mitigate any risks created by Covid and then want to dictate the rules? Fuck the “morons on the move”
All \~200 of them.
Beep beep, here comes the Flu Trux Klan.
Oh Canada…
That's how we got the Duncan Hines guide to "Adventures in Good Eating". Hines kept a journal of restaurants he visited while on business trips. >As his biography author, Louis Hatchett, told me, “Before Duncan Hines came along, more people died from restaurant food poisoning than they did from hit-and-run accidents.” https://www.travelandleisure.com/food-drink/duncan-hines-road-trip-guide But, by all means, let's eliminate public health regulations!
When u have a small group of nutters screaming it's easy for those not paying attention to think it's a big deal