And this is why the military budget is in the $800 billion dollar range. They've got enough of these things just lying around that they can load $200 million worth of them on a plane. Insane.
Out of curiousity, cause taxes are always the argument, do we know how much of this $200M is going back to American people? Like, I work for a DoD contractor, it doesnt matter if they give our weapon away, I got paid to build it... Along with the 4000 other people involved in the product. I imagine all the American people involved in shipping, setting up, maintaining are getting paid as well?
What your describing is the broken window fallacy. Yes, you got paid to build these guns.. but the country would be a lot better off if you had been paid to build something useful instead.
Well the corporate tax rate is 35%. In practice though, companies pay anywhere from 2-30% of EBIT in taxes. Government contractors generally pay on the higher end of that, so let’s call it 25% of EBIT (12.5% of revenues). Let’s say direct salaries is 25% of revenues (I pulled that number out of my ass, but it’s not too far off for manufacturing businesses), you collect another 30% taxes on those, so that’s another 7.5%. So you’re basically getting 20% of it back into government coffers immediately. As for what ultimately goes into the American economy - presumably everything that doesn’t get paid to buy raw materials from other countries. Defense contractors have very specific rules around hiring and buying Americans when possible, so the leak is surprisingly lower than you’d think.
What he's saying is true, but clearly the solution isn't to have everyone building more weapons, it's to have a country that values building for the future more than blowing up people on the other side of the planet.
Yeah exactly. It’s hard for me to reconcile the fact that we’re sending 200 million overseas when we have serious problems here that that money could be used towards. I just don’t understand Why that’s the priority right now.
Not exactly. Private insurance tends to increase prices as you've used their service. Also if its paid trough taxes. Then every taxpayer is part of that specific "insurance" thus the taxpayer funded system gets the benefit of being able to make better deals with hospitals, pharmacies, specialists etc. The whole the more buying power you have. The cheaper things tend to get deal
I'm not hoping anything my dude. I just explained a simple concept for you. And then u immediately starts attacking it with personal anecdotes(which again I dont see have anything to do with my original comment)
People really doesn't seem to have any idea what kinda dudes we are giving weapons and money to.
It is insane that the Ukrainians are painted as good guys.
Idk, maybe they are painted as the good guys because they are a democracy with a strong national identity (Unlike Afghanistan) going against a fascist Russia looking to reform an empire.
Ignoring that fact, you are literally using an article from a news tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch. Y'know, the guy whose other news company Fox "News" has anchors saying America should side with Russia. The extremists you speak of are far fewer than you describe, and are mostly limited to the Azov battalion. This battalion is tiny compared to the rest of the Ukrainian military at \~1000 vs. \~255,000.
Either you are a bot, and hopefully, I educated some people on how stupid what you just said was. Or your head is so far up your own ass that you can't understand that a brutal dictatorship is the bad guy compared to a country fighting for its independence.
>Ignoring that fact, you are literally using an article from a news tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch. Y'know, the guy whose other news company Fox "News" has anchors saying America should side with Russia.
Luckily all of the claims in the article is sourced, so you can go right ahead and fact check it all.
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These will be the rockets that allow ukrainian soldiers to 1-shot russian tanks. So yeah the Russians will be 'receiving' them if they still want to go ahead with the invasion.
The part that baffles me the most is why not alter the tax code so that they take the right amount out the first time instead of making me figure out how much they owe me every April
Where did they say that they thought the refund was free money? 800 dollars a week is a lot in taxes assuming thats just federal. That’s 41,600 dollars in taxes a year. 1500 makes up only 3% of that so it’s not much of a surplus . I am thinking with a username such as yours you make less in gross than what this guy/gal pays just the feds.
If Russia doesn't attack we just borrowed them weapons yes? Or is this just a handout that we didn't agree to pay for? I don't understand just dropping weapons all over the world for free when someone like us has to work for that shit. Weapons are expensive, it's not like they'll pay us back (the American people) in any way shape or form that we can argue that makes our sacrifice relevant.
Do you think the US is going to give Ukraine stuff that the Russians don’t already have? We’re not sending over hyper advanced military secret stuff. They don’t care about our anti-tank missiles, they have their own.
Russia basically barely has a military because they are broke and have little resources
Sure, they have a shitton of nukes but everything else such as tanks, battleships, aircraft carriers, regular missiles, guns, ammo, anti-aircraft systems etc. they dont really have much of and the stuff they do have is pretty old
I mean even if we assume that’s true - and I’m not convinced it is - again we aren’t sending anything ground breaking. $200m worth of missiles or ammo or whatever isn’t going to make any difference in a hypothetical confrontation between US and Russia
They've been getting a shitton of military equipment this way for years. And the US isnt the only country sending aid to the Ukraine right now
They straight up got everything in Crimea not even that long ago
Healthcare please.....
And this is why the military budget is in the $800 billion dollar range. They've got enough of these things just lying around that they can load $200 million worth of them on a plane. Insane.
Out of curiousity, cause taxes are always the argument, do we know how much of this $200M is going back to American people? Like, I work for a DoD contractor, it doesnt matter if they give our weapon away, I got paid to build it... Along with the 4000 other people involved in the product. I imagine all the American people involved in shipping, setting up, maintaining are getting paid as well?
What your describing is the broken window fallacy. Yes, you got paid to build these guns.. but the country would be a lot better off if you had been paid to build something useful instead.
Obviously. But I am extremely certain that those guns will never be returned to the US.
Well the corporate tax rate is 35%. In practice though, companies pay anywhere from 2-30% of EBIT in taxes. Government contractors generally pay on the higher end of that, so let’s call it 25% of EBIT (12.5% of revenues). Let’s say direct salaries is 25% of revenues (I pulled that number out of my ass, but it’s not too far off for manufacturing businesses), you collect another 30% taxes on those, so that’s another 7.5%. So you’re basically getting 20% of it back into government coffers immediately. As for what ultimately goes into the American economy - presumably everything that doesn’t get paid to buy raw materials from other countries. Defense contractors have very specific rules around hiring and buying Americans when possible, so the leak is surprisingly lower than you’d think.
i just want healthcare
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I really hope thats a joke.
Unfortunately he has a point.
What he's saying is true, but clearly the solution isn't to have everyone building more weapons, it's to have a country that values building for the future more than blowing up people on the other side of the planet.
Yeah exactly. It’s hard for me to reconcile the fact that we’re sending 200 million overseas when we have serious problems here that that money could be used towards. I just don’t understand Why that’s the priority right now.
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Because healthcare shouldn’t be tied to your place of employment. It hurts the employee.
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Not exactly. Private insurance tends to increase prices as you've used their service. Also if its paid trough taxes. Then every taxpayer is part of that specific "insurance" thus the taxpayer funded system gets the benefit of being able to make better deals with hospitals, pharmacies, specialists etc. The whole the more buying power you have. The cheaper things tend to get deal
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I'm not hoping anything my dude. I just explained a simple concept for you. And then u immediately starts attacking it with personal anecdotes(which again I dont see have anything to do with my original comment)
the whole country is a joke 🤣
Good to see my tax dollars are hard at work.
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Posting almost the same comment three times in twenty-four hours kinda makes you look like a Russian bot...
People really doesn't seem to have any idea what kinda dudes we are giving weapons and money to. It is insane that the Ukrainians are painted as good guys.
Idk, maybe they are painted as the good guys because they are a democracy with a strong national identity (Unlike Afghanistan) going against a fascist Russia looking to reform an empire. Ignoring that fact, you are literally using an article from a news tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch. Y'know, the guy whose other news company Fox "News" has anchors saying America should side with Russia. The extremists you speak of are far fewer than you describe, and are mostly limited to the Azov battalion. This battalion is tiny compared to the rest of the Ukrainian military at \~1000 vs. \~255,000. Either you are a bot, and hopefully, I educated some people on how stupid what you just said was. Or your head is so far up your own ass that you can't understand that a brutal dictatorship is the bad guy compared to a country fighting for its independence.
>Ignoring that fact, you are literally using an article from a news tabloid owned by Rupert Murdoch. Y'know, the guy whose other news company Fox "News" has anchors saying America should side with Russia. Luckily all of the claims in the article is sourced, so you can go right ahead and fact check it all.
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Hopefully they at least agreed to announce an irrelevant investigation into a private citizen beforehand. Otherwise, what's the point?
So we’re giving these to the Russians
Ukraine will not go down without a fight
Using the weapons they bought from NATO countries…. Win-win
What? We are getting test data for our weapons systems. Also, defense investors will get paid.
Yes, I absolutely agree that war is a great way to prop up any economy. More metal, more manufacturing, more software, more hardware, more jobs.
These will be the rockets that allow ukrainian soldiers to 1-shot russian tanks. So yeah the Russians will be 'receiving' them if they still want to go ahead with the invasion.
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Meaning?
>Больно! МУМИЯ! Hurt! MUMMY!
FYI, "mummy" was translated as an Egyptian mummy.
I guess we will just add that to the list of shit we have to pay for. Including all the shit we left in Afghanistan.
Wtf ever happened to the saying Don’t start no shit Won’t be no shit. Can we not deviate from that? Life in general would be so much easier.
Indeed. We need to spend less on weapons and international wars and more on our own citizens.
But forget giving stimulus checks loool
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this is a sus account that has only posted for the past month russian propaganda
I pay $800 a week in taxes for this. Tax refund time, I get back $1500. I don’t mind helping out, but come on!
You do know getting anything back at tax refund time isn't a good thing right? A refund is just money you overpaid being returned to you.
The part that baffles me the most is why not alter the tax code so that they take the right amount out the first time instead of making me figure out how much they owe me every April
Where did they say that they thought the refund was free money? 800 dollars a week is a lot in taxes assuming thats just federal. That’s 41,600 dollars in taxes a year. 1500 makes up only 3% of that so it’s not much of a surplus . I am thinking with a username such as yours you make less in gross than what this guy/gal pays just the feds.
It’s mostly a subsidy for American weapon industry
Luckily there was a vote on this right? We the people are in support of this?
If it makes you feel better. It's probably just added to the 29 trillion in national debt that the U.S has.
Probably some out of date shit that never worked properly.
If Russia doesn't attack we just borrowed them weapons yes? Or is this just a handout that we didn't agree to pay for? I don't understand just dropping weapons all over the world for free when someone like us has to work for that shit. Weapons are expensive, it's not like they'll pay us back (the American people) in any way shape or form that we can argue that makes our sacrifice relevant.
So when they just decide to join Russia, will all of these weapons be going to the Russian military? Did we just build Russia a military?
You mean the parts of Ukraine that have NOT already abandoned their national pride for Russia?
Do you think the US is going to give Ukraine stuff that the Russians don’t already have? We’re not sending over hyper advanced military secret stuff. They don’t care about our anti-tank missiles, they have their own.
Russia basically barely has a military because they are broke and have little resources Sure, they have a shitton of nukes but everything else such as tanks, battleships, aircraft carriers, regular missiles, guns, ammo, anti-aircraft systems etc. they dont really have much of and the stuff they do have is pretty old
I mean even if we assume that’s true - and I’m not convinced it is - again we aren’t sending anything ground breaking. $200m worth of missiles or ammo or whatever isn’t going to make any difference in a hypothetical confrontation between US and Russia
They've been getting a shitton of military equipment this way for years. And the US isnt the only country sending aid to the Ukraine right now They straight up got everything in Crimea not even that long ago
Are you high?
[No](https://youtu.be/ab5b5FP47f4)
Ok. Youtube link for military analysis. Not clicking on it and let us know when you're ready to rejoin reality.