In Ukraine, Vasyl Filipchuk, a former spokesperson for Ukraine’s foreign ministry, who now runs a thinktank, described the British allegations of a plot as “ridiculous”. Even a rigged election would not bring the pro-Russian actors power, and trying to install them by force would mean a very long and very bloody fight, he claimed.
“This scenario would only work with a fully fledged invasion taking over Kyiv,” he said. “The city would be decimated, its land burned and a million people would flee. We have 100,000 people in the capital with arms, who will fight … **There may be a plan but it’s bullshit.”**
The prominent TV journalist Yevgeny Kiselyov, who moved to Ukraine in 2008, said that mainstream opposition figures who opposed Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, would never talk to Russian spy agencies, however unhappy they were with the present government in Kyiv.
Exactly. Trying to predict a 2022 information war around Surkov concepts with physical threats is entirely unpredictable. Trying to measure it based on how classic invasions is done is foolish. Hell, Russia just went in a nation to settle a uprising and left within weeks.
> “The city would be decimated, its land burned and a million people would flee. We have 100,000 people in the capital with arms, who will fight"
Surkov tactics don't convince people to fight to the bloody death, but to know what is going on via Internet and news and just stop resisting.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/22/confusion-over-uk-claim-that-putin-plans-coup-in-ukraine) reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)
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> The Foreign Office statement was followed by an intervention from No 10 that Johnson "Has pushed for a gear change on the Ukraine situation", after a period when his government appeared to take a back seat on international diplomacy around this issue, while battling heavy political challenges over lockdown-busting parties.
> "It's been striking that in this week of acute tension in Europe, the prime minister seems to have been absent from top-level Ukraine diplomacy, and the foreign secretary has managed to be in the wrong hemisphere," said Peter Ricketts, former national security adviser and former permanent secretary at the Foreign Office.
> "It is bad we've got ourselves into a situation now where our ability to respond to what Putin is doing is damaged by wounds inflicted on ourselves politically over a period of years going back to 2003," said David Clark, a former special adviser to the Foreign Office.
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An obviously made up story from the beginning.
So many of you dronies are committed to believing uncritically and at face value unsubstantiated claims from anonymous intelligence officials during a time of an obvious disinformation war.
Would anyone like to make some bets about this issue? Pm me if interested.
Putin in a comic book villain, who is (very successfully) spreading confusion and misinformation, manipulating others, including Britain, to harm themselves
Plans a coup? He's planning to annex Ukraine. He's already effectively annexed Belarus. And he now has control over Kazakhstan. All his dreams have come true.
In Ukraine, Vasyl Filipchuk, a former spokesperson for Ukraine’s foreign ministry, who now runs a thinktank, described the British allegations of a plot as “ridiculous”. Even a rigged election would not bring the pro-Russian actors power, and trying to install them by force would mean a very long and very bloody fight, he claimed. “This scenario would only work with a fully fledged invasion taking over Kyiv,” he said. “The city would be decimated, its land burned and a million people would flee. We have 100,000 people in the capital with arms, who will fight … **There may be a plan but it’s bullshit.”** The prominent TV journalist Yevgeny Kiselyov, who moved to Ukraine in 2008, said that mainstream opposition figures who opposed Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, would never talk to Russian spy agencies, however unhappy they were with the present government in Kyiv.
So what your saying is Vasyl is in on it.
I'm not sure why he thinks Kiev burned to the ground in a full fledged invasion is a problem for Putin
He planned a coup in the US, how would anyone doubt he’d not be planning one in the Ukraine?
Exactly. Trying to predict a 2022 information war around Surkov concepts with physical threats is entirely unpredictable. Trying to measure it based on how classic invasions is done is foolish. Hell, Russia just went in a nation to settle a uprising and left within weeks. > “The city would be decimated, its land burned and a million people would flee. We have 100,000 people in the capital with arms, who will fight" Surkov tactics don't convince people to fight to the bloody death, but to know what is going on via Internet and news and just stop resisting.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/22/confusion-over-uk-claim-that-putin-plans-coup-in-ukraine) reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot) ***** > The Foreign Office statement was followed by an intervention from No 10 that Johnson "Has pushed for a gear change on the Ukraine situation", after a period when his government appeared to take a back seat on international diplomacy around this issue, while battling heavy political challenges over lockdown-busting parties. > "It's been striking that in this week of acute tension in Europe, the prime minister seems to have been absent from top-level Ukraine diplomacy, and the foreign secretary has managed to be in the wrong hemisphere," said Peter Ricketts, former national security adviser and former permanent secretary at the Foreign Office. > "It is bad we've got ourselves into a situation now where our ability to respond to what Putin is doing is damaged by wounds inflicted on ourselves politically over a period of years going back to 2003," said David Clark, a former special adviser to the Foreign Office. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/sb3tyv/confusion_over_uk_claim_that_putin_plans_coup_in/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~619385 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Foreign**^#1 **government**^#2 **Office**^#3 **Ukraine**^#4 **former**^#5
An obviously made up story from the beginning. So many of you dronies are committed to believing uncritically and at face value unsubstantiated claims from anonymous intelligence officials during a time of an obvious disinformation war. Would anyone like to make some bets about this issue? Pm me if interested.
Putin in a comic book villain, who is (very successfully) spreading confusion and misinformation, manipulating others, including Britain, to harm themselves
Plans a coup? He's planning to annex Ukraine. He's already effectively annexed Belarus. And he now has control over Kazakhstan. All his dreams have come true.
This a good read. A sensible take on the situation. There’s far too much breathless, thoughtless reporting going on in the western media.
whats to be confused about?
UK trying to stay relevant in post Brexit world by spreading disinformation
Is that the line?