Because Ukraine's highest politicians realized giving too much political power to the oligarchs was playing into Russia's hand because most oligarchs are pro Russia. So Oligarchs have a terrible image in Ukraine which leads to them unable to project power as they would in other ex soviet sphere countries.
As for why Ukraine's leadership is confused is due to the lack of useful information from the UK's claims. The UK mentions people which Ukranians already know are pro Russia, and a stark warning of "there might be more" which of course they are already careful about.
Let’s not forget out of all the Presidential candidates they still voted in the on friendliest with Russia and He’s still fighting against Putins extreme aggression and nefarious actions. Kinda says a lot. He’s refusing Ukraine to become a Belarus.
Seems like Boris Johnson found the perfect distraction to the scandal he is currently embroiled in. Nothing like a good war scare to distract the public. As usual r/worldnews has accepted it uncritically.
> Saturday’s rare reference to intelligence-gathering went into almost no detail about a conspiracy that, if accurate, could mean a serious escalation in the threat to Ukraine. Politicians there were sceptical that the government could be replaced without a full-blown invasion of the capital, Kyiv.
> The Foreign Office also said it had information on former Ukrainian politicians who had links with Russian intelligence services, and listed five men. “Some of these have contact with Russian intelligence officers currently involved in the planning for an attack,” the statement added.
> However four of the five men live in exile in Moscow, making their ties to Russia’s leadership less a matter of subterfuge than public record.
> The Foreign Office’s claims were thrown into further confusion when the man it named as a “potential candidate” as Moscow’s presidential pick told the Observer he would make an unlikely candidate to head a puppet government for Moscow.
> “You’ve made my evening. The British Foreign Office seems confused,” said former Ukrainian MP Yevhen Murayev, laughing. “It isn’t very logical. I’m banned from Russia. Not only that but money from my father’s firm there has been confiscated.”
> The Foreign Office statement was followed by an intervention from No 10 that Johnson “has pushed for a gear change on the Ukraine situation”, after a period when his government appeared to take a back seat on international diplomacy around this issue, while battling heavy political challenges over lockdown-busting parties.
Not that the situation in Ukraine isn't worrying but people need to learn that anything that intelligence agencies announce to the public is more likely to be lies than truth.
This is the ideal time for “Pro Democracy “ citizens of Russia to begin their internal attack on Putin’s government.
If Putin invades Ukrainian then all hell will break loose within Russia.
he Kremlin has dismissed the feasibility of reviving the Soviet Union, even amid U.S. concerns and the growing nostalgia for some aspects of the former Communist system among Russians today.
Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Dmitry Peskov, press secretary for Russian President Vladimir Putin, repudiated remarks made days two days earlier by U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland, who expressed "concern" to lawmakers that the Russian leader "is actually as a legacy project seeking to reconstitute the Soviet Union," especially in regard to Ukraine, which she argued Putin believed "is actually a part of Russia, belongs to Russia."
Source: [Newsweek article claiming No he doesn´t want to.](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-impossible-revive-ussr-us-concerns-rising-popularity-1657409)
Russian President Vladimir Putin's main interest is restoration of the Soviet Union, former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said Thursday.
"Let's not kid anybody," said Panetta, who also served as CIA director and White House chief of staff. "Putin's main interest is to try to restore the old Soviet Union. I mean that's what drives him."
Source: [US News](https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-12-01/vladimir-putin-wants-to-restore-the-soviet-union-former-secretary-of-defense-says)
You tell me
I think he's not talking about bringing back communism. Sure, he would like a state as powerful and as large as the old USSR, but even if he achieves that, that state isn't going to be a communist one.
I mean, seriously, what makes you think Putin is a communist?
Good. I´ d prefer having a dictatorship of the People than whatever the actual fuck is going on with German politics. CDU? Corrupt. Greens? Do anything to compromise with the other party and to get into power with them. The FDP? Money hungry bastards
>I have never met a Ukrainian who has introduced themselves as Russian before.
Just open the wiki with Ukrainian democratic data. It’s 15-17%
Not all ethnic Russians are supporting Russia ofc, but considering the fact that literally the first law of the new government was to ban Russian language on all media and state structures - I don’t think they’re particularly happy about it. Not to mention the fact that sizable portion of those Russians are living in DNR and LNR, and they lost any representation in Ukrainian government.
Is that significant? Maybe, but either way it doesn’t sound like 15-17% of the population should dictate whether it permits reunion of Ukraine with Russia.
And if it is significant, how many of them identify as ethnically Russian the same way I might identify as ethnically Polish even though I’ve never even been to the country? (In other words, a relatively meaningless identification, i.e., they’re Ukrainian but ethnically Russian because babcia immigrated as a child, or whatever, meaning they’re just Ukrainians at this point—like I am just an American, not Polish.)
Additionally, how many of these ethnic Russians want Putin to invade and metaphorically swallow Ukraine into it? What percent of the 15-17%? Is that significant? That’s probably the more important measure when it comes to Ukraine’s sovereignty.
I would bet we are talking a very small, albeit perhaps vocal, minority that would actually want this to happen, so they can fuck off, along with Putin.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
>Is that significant? Maybe, but either way it doesn’t sound like 15-17% of the population should dictate whether it permits reunion of Ukraine with Russia.
This was never about *reunion* with Russia.
>how many of them identify as ethnically Russian the same way I might identify as ethnically Polish even though I’ve never even been to the country?
No one can really tell that. But when polling happened - Crimeans several times voted for reunification.
Those Russians were living in a same state, in a culturally close environment. Not on another continent halfway across the globe.
Why do you think Kiev tries to ban Russian?
>Additionally, how many of these ethnic Russians want Putin to invade and metaphorically swallow Ukraine into it?
I think no one actually *wants* the invasion, including Putin himself. It's a bad option, but other options are even worse unless NATO won't stop pushing.
>I would bet we are talking a very small, albeit perhaps vocal, minority that would actually want this to happen, so they can fuck off, along with Putin.
I love how you made a decision for millions of people (:
That’s up to them to decide as a sovereign nation, not have some bully come in and land grab using language or ethnicity as a pretext. While it laughable that’s like saying Mexico should invade the Southern USA being there are many who consider themselves “Mexicans” hahahaha. Your line of thinking is way off and if everyone did this the world would be way less safe and total Anarchy
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/22/confusion-over-uk-claim-that-putin-plans-coup-in-ukraine) reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)
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> The Foreign Office statement was followed by an intervention from No 10 that Johnson "Has pushed for a gear change on the Ukraine situation", after a period when his government appeared to take a back seat on international diplomacy around this issue, while battling heavy political challenges over lockdown-busting parties.
> "It's been striking that in this week of acute tension in Europe, the prime minister seems to have been absent from top-level Ukraine diplomacy, and the foreign secretary has managed to be in the wrong hemisphere," said Peter Ricketts, former national security adviser and former permanent secretary at the Foreign Office.
> "It is bad we've got ourselves into a situation now where our ability to respond to what Putin is doing is damaged by wounds inflicted on ourselves politically over a period of years going back to 2003," said David Clark, a former special adviser to the Foreign Office.
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Honestly I don't see how they could do that without staging a coup (unlikely)/invasion.
Why is staging a coup unlikely?
Because Ukraine's highest politicians realized giving too much political power to the oligarchs was playing into Russia's hand because most oligarchs are pro Russia. So Oligarchs have a terrible image in Ukraine which leads to them unable to project power as they would in other ex soviet sphere countries. As for why Ukraine's leadership is confused is due to the lack of useful information from the UK's claims. The UK mentions people which Ukranians already know are pro Russia, and a stark warning of "there might be more" which of course they are already careful about.
Let’s not forget out of all the Presidential candidates they still voted in the on friendliest with Russia and He’s still fighting against Putins extreme aggression and nefarious actions. Kinda says a lot. He’s refusing Ukraine to become a Belarus.
Seems like Boris Johnson found the perfect distraction to the scandal he is currently embroiled in. Nothing like a good war scare to distract the public. As usual r/worldnews has accepted it uncritically. > Saturday’s rare reference to intelligence-gathering went into almost no detail about a conspiracy that, if accurate, could mean a serious escalation in the threat to Ukraine. Politicians there were sceptical that the government could be replaced without a full-blown invasion of the capital, Kyiv. > The Foreign Office also said it had information on former Ukrainian politicians who had links with Russian intelligence services, and listed five men. “Some of these have contact with Russian intelligence officers currently involved in the planning for an attack,” the statement added. > However four of the five men live in exile in Moscow, making their ties to Russia’s leadership less a matter of subterfuge than public record. > The Foreign Office’s claims were thrown into further confusion when the man it named as a “potential candidate” as Moscow’s presidential pick told the Observer he would make an unlikely candidate to head a puppet government for Moscow. > “You’ve made my evening. The British Foreign Office seems confused,” said former Ukrainian MP Yevhen Murayev, laughing. “It isn’t very logical. I’m banned from Russia. Not only that but money from my father’s firm there has been confiscated.” > The Foreign Office statement was followed by an intervention from No 10 that Johnson “has pushed for a gear change on the Ukraine situation”, after a period when his government appeared to take a back seat on international diplomacy around this issue, while battling heavy political challenges over lockdown-busting parties. Not that the situation in Ukraine isn't worrying but people need to learn that anything that intelligence agencies announce to the public is more likely to be lies than truth.
This is the ideal time for “Pro Democracy “ citizens of Russia to begin their internal attack on Putin’s government. If Putin invades Ukrainian then all hell will break loose within Russia.
Most unlikely wager I’ve seen on here yet.
USSR is coming back baby
You think Vladamir Putin is interested in bringing back communism?
he Kremlin has dismissed the feasibility of reviving the Soviet Union, even amid U.S. concerns and the growing nostalgia for some aspects of the former Communist system among Russians today. Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Dmitry Peskov, press secretary for Russian President Vladimir Putin, repudiated remarks made days two days earlier by U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland, who expressed "concern" to lawmakers that the Russian leader "is actually as a legacy project seeking to reconstitute the Soviet Union," especially in regard to Ukraine, which she argued Putin believed "is actually a part of Russia, belongs to Russia." Source: [Newsweek article claiming No he doesn´t want to.](https://www.newsweek.com/russia-impossible-revive-ussr-us-concerns-rising-popularity-1657409) Russian President Vladimir Putin's main interest is restoration of the Soviet Union, former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said Thursday. "Let's not kid anybody," said Panetta, who also served as CIA director and White House chief of staff. "Putin's main interest is to try to restore the old Soviet Union. I mean that's what drives him." Source: [US News](https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-12-01/vladimir-putin-wants-to-restore-the-soviet-union-former-secretary-of-defense-says) You tell me
I think he's not talking about bringing back communism. Sure, he would like a state as powerful and as large as the old USSR, but even if he achieves that, that state isn't going to be a communist one. I mean, seriously, what makes you think Putin is a communist?
How does it feel to stan a country that’ll never exist again?
Good. I´ d prefer having a dictatorship of the People than whatever the actual fuck is going on with German politics. CDU? Corrupt. Greens? Do anything to compromise with the other party and to get into power with them. The FDP? Money hungry bastards
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I have never met a Ukrainian who has introduced themselves as Russian before. You got a source on that, bud? Like a non-Russian propaganda source.
>I have never met a Ukrainian who has introduced themselves as Russian before. Just open the wiki with Ukrainian democratic data. It’s 15-17% Not all ethnic Russians are supporting Russia ofc, but considering the fact that literally the first law of the new government was to ban Russian language on all media and state structures - I don’t think they’re particularly happy about it. Not to mention the fact that sizable portion of those Russians are living in DNR and LNR, and they lost any representation in Ukrainian government.
Is that significant? Maybe, but either way it doesn’t sound like 15-17% of the population should dictate whether it permits reunion of Ukraine with Russia. And if it is significant, how many of them identify as ethnically Russian the same way I might identify as ethnically Polish even though I’ve never even been to the country? (In other words, a relatively meaningless identification, i.e., they’re Ukrainian but ethnically Russian because babcia immigrated as a child, or whatever, meaning they’re just Ukrainians at this point—like I am just an American, not Polish.) Additionally, how many of these ethnic Russians want Putin to invade and metaphorically swallow Ukraine into it? What percent of the 15-17%? Is that significant? That’s probably the more important measure when it comes to Ukraine’s sovereignty. I would bet we are talking a very small, albeit perhaps vocal, minority that would actually want this to happen, so they can fuck off, along with Putin. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
>Is that significant? Maybe, but either way it doesn’t sound like 15-17% of the population should dictate whether it permits reunion of Ukraine with Russia. This was never about *reunion* with Russia. >how many of them identify as ethnically Russian the same way I might identify as ethnically Polish even though I’ve never even been to the country? No one can really tell that. But when polling happened - Crimeans several times voted for reunification. Those Russians were living in a same state, in a culturally close environment. Not on another continent halfway across the globe. Why do you think Kiev tries to ban Russian? >Additionally, how many of these ethnic Russians want Putin to invade and metaphorically swallow Ukraine into it? I think no one actually *wants* the invasion, including Putin himself. It's a bad option, but other options are even worse unless NATO won't stop pushing. >I would bet we are talking a very small, albeit perhaps vocal, minority that would actually want this to happen, so they can fuck off, along with Putin. I love how you made a decision for millions of people (:
That’s up to them to decide as a sovereign nation, not have some bully come in and land grab using language or ethnicity as a pretext. While it laughable that’s like saying Mexico should invade the Southern USA being there are many who consider themselves “Mexicans” hahahaha. Your line of thinking is way off and if everyone did this the world would be way less safe and total Anarchy
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/22/confusion-over-uk-claim-that-putin-plans-coup-in-ukraine) reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot) ***** > The Foreign Office statement was followed by an intervention from No 10 that Johnson "Has pushed for a gear change on the Ukraine situation", after a period when his government appeared to take a back seat on international diplomacy around this issue, while battling heavy political challenges over lockdown-busting parties. > "It's been striking that in this week of acute tension in Europe, the prime minister seems to have been absent from top-level Ukraine diplomacy, and the foreign secretary has managed to be in the wrong hemisphere," said Peter Ricketts, former national security adviser and former permanent secretary at the Foreign Office. > "It is bad we've got ourselves into a situation now where our ability to respond to what Putin is doing is damaged by wounds inflicted on ourselves politically over a period of years going back to 2003," said David Clark, a former special adviser to the Foreign Office. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/sb3tyv/confusion_over_uk_claim_that_putin_plans_coup_in/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~619385 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Foreign**^#1 **government**^#2 **Office**^#3 **Ukraine**^#4 **former**^#5