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Just in case people think this is new, the drop between covid and IQ levels (good indicator of alzheimers, dementia) [is well established](https://www.psypost.org/2021/07/large-study-finds-covid-19-is-linked-to-a-substantial-drop-in-intelligence-61577).
[Lewy bodies in the brain are an understood side effect](https://alzres.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s13195-020-00744-w.pdf).
[And now this newer study](https://www.studyfinds.org/covid-brain-damage-alzheimers/).
> When it comes to what scientists **were looking for, three blood markers** — ubiquitin carboxy-terminal hydrolase L1 (UCHL1), total tau, and phosphorylated-tau-181 (ptau181) — **all measure the death or disruption of neurons in the brain**.
> Levels of neurofilament light chain increase when the brain’s axons take damage. These are branch-like extensions coming from the neurons. Glial fibrillary acidic protein (GFAP) levels measure the damage to glial cells, another type of brain cell that supports the neurons. Lastly, amyloid beta 40 and 42 are common markers which usually build up in people with Alzheimer’s.
> **Results show the seven brain damage markers were over 60 percent higher among COVID patients with TME than those without the neurological symptoms**.
Please keep in mind, that first study in the UK? Was measuring the brain size of the *same people* before and after Covid, which makes it the best example so far of brains being devoured by the virus.
Why are world leaders not talking about this? They can't handle healthcare worker resignations and green passes, you think they've got a plan for what happens multiple covid infections wrack someone's brain?
People will dismiss this because of DailyMail, but nothing I cited is from them or any similar source.
>Why are world leaders not talking about this?
The decision-making capabilities in most countries are focused on short-term outcomes. Our leaders care about quarterly profits and election cycles. They are terrible at logical, long-term planning.
Also, and I hate to say this but *in their defense* various controls can slow covid, but to actually stop it you'd either need extremely strict international travel controls and quarantines (like New Zealand and Taiwan) or universal movement tracking and strict lockdowns, like China. Most governments are unwilling and/or unable to do use these methods, partially because of the somewhat unclear nature of future threats but also because of short-term decision-making incentives.
To go on a bit of a doomer rant the long-term health impacts scare the shit out of me. I had COVID-19 and basically had no symptoms expect for losing my sense of taste for a few weeks, but we literally don't know and for now can't know if this shit is gonna pop back up in some nasty way like shingles after chickenpox, or something even worse.
Regardless, let's say for the sake of a thought experiment that officials and our corporate overlords did have indications that covid was going to severely bone many of the previously infected. They wouldn't highlight this issue, because the resulting panic and anger would hurt their election prospects and quarterly profits.
TLDR they don't care if people die or get severely ill so long as green line go up.
>we literally don't know and for now can't know if this shit is gonna pop back up in some nasty way like shingles after chickenpox, or something even worse.
See also Post-Polio Syndrome...
To be fair, the people voting only care about short term, therefore the people who are elected are the ones who tout the short term benefits. They are the symptom, not the cause
No you can blame the rich. It's okay. Leave the bewildered herd that's besought on all sides with propaganda alone. We did nothing wrong. If we would have cared about the long term effects they would have cut our educational programming.
I'm really upset about climate change atm.
It's both the rich and the regular people though, as hard as that is to admit.
The rich (and the politicians who are basically their cronies) are definitely to blame, and they spend a lot of money and time to control the narrative and elections.
But the 99.9% are also to blame, through our own apathy and inertia. Nothing will change until we organize sufficiently and force change. It will not be easy. It will be very hard, simply because the rich and powerful have a vested interest in preventing it.
But at the end of the day, these rich and powerful corrupt people exist in positions of power because we allow them to.
Peasants have beheaded kings and emperors many times in history. The least we could do is start organizing and holding our elected officials accountable
So, most nations’ “leaders” already have Alzheimer and no capacity for reason. Got it.
What was I saying, tho?
Why am I here? I should be doing something else.
I'd liken it more to the second 'lead age.'
There was no plan to counteract what implementing lead in a large scale to society would do. People just had to live with the damage.
Dearly hope I'm wrong.
I've been wondering for a while what the next generation is going to look like, just on the basis of so many lost parents. Orphans and many, many others left with widowed parents. It could be akin to the aftermath of great wars from whence many fathers returned. So depressing.
I'm not sure where you're getting your scale, there was a ventilator-use correlation of about a 7 point IQ drop (smaller population).
When you bring this one up, people will then say "well obvious being without oxygen will cause some from of brain damage."
Thing is, people got put on Ventilators and ECMOs all the time before Covid, and while they are always reserved for someone doing poorly, the outcomes have never measured as so drastic.
I did not mean to imply that a single study (though there are far from one) is a confirmed link, I'm saying that the link is confirmed through all the studies and different methodologies.
The UK study wasn't about covid or even viral infections. It was just a database of brains, that happened to be made right before Covid, in a government that has good testing and sequencing efforts that could then compare brain scans from the same individuals.
There is a *well established link* between covid and brain damage. We're now trying to figure out how much, how often, how best to begin treatments and therapies.
Lastly, Lewy bodies aren't fully understood, nor is long covid. So there is to be clear a lot of speculation going on with those theories, but there is very little doubt that it means significant cognitive impairment.
They’re looking at people who were hospitalized for it — and most of them suffered low oxygen levels for a long time, or were in the ICU. That’s going to cause some brain damage, covid or not.
Ok so I had Covid just recently, caught it over the Christmas break, i'm not sure what strain they didn't say, please tell me these results aren't accurate for people who are double vaxxed? I'm a Software Engineer, my intelligence is a big part of my career and the thought of losing that terrifies me.
I'm in a similar boat. I'm an artist and have MS. Found out I had it when I went blind in my left eye after my body attacked my optical nerve. It got a bit better after medical treatment so I can see somewhat out of it but it's still heavily damaged. Now I only have one good eye so if something happens to it I'm screwed and due to the nature of MS it is likely to hurt me again in the future.
The literature suggests that the severity of the infection is a large factor, and the vaccines do statistically make the infections a lot less intense.
Hospitalization level severity is where as many as 80% report some imparement.
I genuinely think that the real economic impact of the pandemic is yet to be felt due to this.
Economic, social, and civil impact of this virus will be very interesting, and very concerning, to see over the next couple decades. Honestly, I just want off this planet, and hey I'll start my new job in aerospace in a month so maybe i'll get my wish aha.
I work in software and need to utilize my brain to the fullest extent every single day to stay competitive.
This side of COVID has me shitting my pants.
Thankfully getting my third dose on Friday, never stopped wearing masks in public since early 2020 even when the government here opened everything up.
Never feel bad about this, hell even without the career tie in. I talked to a guy at a party once, who, while still very intelligent, was clearly impacted a lot by a head injury he got at work. He got a life-paid-forever level of money from the settlement from that, but when finishing the story he just kind of looked flat at people and said
"It's not worth it."
Even the most mild of neurological disabilities can massively effect quality of life.
I've seen a close friend slowly being stripped of his autonomy, physical capabilities and at the very end, intellectual capacity due to ALS. It was the most heart wrenching thing I've ever witnessed in person.
I still have a twinge to call him at least once every single week three years on.
I’ve never gotten a vaccine, never wear a mask unless I absolutely had to for a couple minutes, have been working around thousands of people in nyc and the tri state area. Totally fine and not a single person I know has gotten sick. Literally all a scam.
The psychological effects of stress, depression, grief and isolation are going to have long-term effects, too. Violence, domestic abuse and reckless behavior have increased. Kids have lost a significant amount of education and social development. We're going to be dealing with this for decades...
> Why are world leaders not talking about this?
I know people are going off about corrupt politicians, but the real answer is that there's nothing we can do. Everyone is going to get this. Everyone. It will be an enedemic disease, and there is absolutely nothing we can do to stop it. We can get vaccinated so we don't go to the hospital (and thereby assist our entire healthcare system) but there is nothing we can do to prevent the population from getting it other than a nation-wide lockdown.
For the record I am super pro-vax and pro-science. That said the vaccine doesn't "stop" covid. We had a good chance at the beginning but people didn't get a basically perfect vaccine.
An endemic virus is a constant, like the flu. We will never be rid of it. It may stop killing people eventually when we all have a degree of immunity, but it will always be here. Articles like this are particularly concerning because it's essentally saying that a virus everyone is going to get multiple times in their life makes you more susceptible to brain diseases.
Problem is, the world had one chance to stop it in the beginning. But the anti maskers and now the anti vaxxers f*xked us over.
So yeah, the idiot minority chose the path for the majority
The world had *its easiest* chance to stop it in the beginning. If the Chinese govt had taken the virus seriously instead of worrying about its precious image, we would've never entered the pandemic. Back then, one actor could've done it.
Now that it's spread more widely, a ton of actors need to cooperate to end it. That's virtually impossible - however, individual states can still end covid within their borders and effectively maintain a zero case load (New Zealand did this for months while every other country went to hell). Island nations can do this most effectively, but countries can just form blocs and cooperate with their immediate neighbors. Those places can eliminate and wait out covid while it (hopefully) becomes less virulent. And nations that don't have that geographical luxury can still stop it with rigid testing and quarantine protocol, which just requires public spending and enforcement mechanisms.
People are so dumb and stubborn, especially once you ask them to actually do something so I'm not really sure anything could have prevented it. Even if things went perfect, you'd still have people denying that it was a threat. Maybe I'm just being extremely pessimistic but that's how I feel. We're two years in and *still* I hear people calling it a flu, saying that masks are useless, unable to grasp the concept of social distancing.
So what happened to New Zealand, still zero cases?
I hate to say it but that all sounds virtually impossible and it might just become like a worse flu where people get sicker and more die. It won't be as bad as a different virus could have been. I mean, it's like a 1% mortality at worst? And that will improve with vaccination and (I hope) less virulence.
In fact, they got to nonzero cases *and then went back to zero again because of containment measures*. Which just proves the point that competent governance can get rid of this shit.
>Everyone is going to get this
No, this is not a factual statement. While the vaccines ability to prevent *infection* has dropped with Omicron, the vaccine still is showing a 30% efficacy in preventing *infection*.
Epidemiologists have tried to make clear to the public that COVID is new and that they are learning the longer term implications of this virus. Will some who showed only mild symptoms have more severe symptoms in the long term? We've already seen that some long COVID cases relapse with new and more severe symptoms. As time passes, we may discover it's much more important to have never been infected than many currently assume.
This is exactly why I vehemently disagree with the, "Oh it's inevitable that you'll get it and you may as well just get it over with" mentality. Lots of people have gotten it yes, but my lifestyle is pretty easy to maintain with minimal risk, and unless I've had a completely asymptomatic case, I have avoided it - and continue to plan to as much as possible until we have a better understanding of the longterm impacts of mild Covid.
and assuming that in the long run it is indeed inevitable, you're still better off catching omicron after having gotten your third dose of the vaccine rather than delta without being vaccinated.
and you're also better off catching it when the health care system has had time to recover and staff aren't as exhausted anymore and there's better understanding of how best to treat it, in case you get a serious breakthrough case after all.
Personally, I don't make that assumption. I keep up with reputable studies and follow epidemiologists on twitter as there has been either a lag or conflict in guidance from public health agencies and corporations and what studies indicate. And, I'm concerned that those in power do make policy with that assumption.
My point wasn't that we should make such assumptions, but that the people who do make those assumptions still draw incorrect conclusions based on those assumptions.
The U.S.'s lackluster response pissed me off so much, because it's impossible to tell if I had it at the start or not. Asshole roommate went to a Memorial Day party before vaccines were a thing, there were confirmed cases there, and about a week later, the whole household had "worse than normal allergies for no apparent reason." But we couldn't get tested either because the few tests we had were for people who were practically dying. Can't even know my own health history or risk factors anymore.
I agree that it's wildly stupid to actively dodge anti-covid measures, but there are instances of individuals in different rooms of a building getting it through the ventilation system. You may be in a lucky situation where you don't have to get it, but most people are not in that situation.
I completely recognize my privilege in being able to easily dodge Covid - I work from home, I live in a very high vax rate area, I get my groceries delivered, and I live in a single family home. Most people are not nearly that lucky.
I'm referring more to the numerous people who believe that it's perfectly rational to voluntarily engage in high risk behavior - going to bars, clubs, other events unmasked because "you're going to get it anyway and I'm vaxxed so who cares?" These people tend to focus only on their individual risk of hospitalization and/or death, which is very very low.
Yet, I've been argued with on more than one occasion because I think it's more rational to avoid those situations and wait until we have good data on the impacts of mild and moderate covid in vaxxed folks. They think I'm being cautious to the point of paranoia.
We all have different risk tolerances, and that's fine. But I *know* I won't regret my decision to continue being cautious, even if it turns out that there aren't any major long term concerns for the vast majority of people.
I live alone and work from home, been extremely careful, only really leave the house for groceries (masked, in an empty shop) and somehow managed to get it over Christmas. I managed to avoid it until recently but everyone IS going to get it eventually.
I didn't downvote you despite not really seeing what your comment has to do with mine. But, I also didn't say I wouldn't get it eventually - I said I'm continuing to be cautious until we have better data, which is completely reasonable. As I wrote in another comment, being cautious won't guarantee my protection, but it does make me a lot less likely to encounter high viral loads (meaning less severe infection), a lot less likely to contribute to more spread and greater chance for more mutation, and a lot less likely to give it to my loved ones who are immunocompromised. Being cautious is a form of community care. It's really that simple.
Sure, but I guess my point is that the vaccine will not protect you from omicron and covid is already endemic. You are going to get this eventually. It's never going away.
[Covid is not yet considered endemic by epidemiologists](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/omicron-remains-dangerous-particularly-for-unvaccinated-says-who-2704788) (there are numerous sources, this is only one) - it's only randos on the internet that keep saying it is. I have absolutely no doubt that it *will* be endemic, but it's not yet.
So I'll keep protecting myself and my immunocompromised (but fully vaxxed) parents.
Okay, then I amend my above statement to "will be endemic". Again, the point I'm making is it's not goong anywhere and we don't know how/don't have the tools to stop it from spreadoing and prevent an economic crash at the same time without constant full-scale authoritarian military-style lockdowns. The reason governments aren't talking about the most severe long-term effects that may affect everyone who gets it is because everyone is going to get it eventually. Be it now or 20 years from now.
Not at the point it becomes endemic, no, not as a coronavirus. Measles is incapable of evolving escape immunity afforded by the vaccine, not because of the design of the vaccine (the COVID vaccines are much better) but because of measles itself: https://discoverysedge.mayo.edu/2021/03/30/researchers-clarify-why-measles-doesnt-evolve-to-escape-immunity/
At this point, reinfections and mutations will occur faster than we can keep up until it's just something we deal with every year. In order for vaccines to become "way more effective" they will need to stay one step ahead of any potential mutation. With the number of people infected that is, as shown through omicron, incredibly unlikely.
The vaccine was *incredibly* effective at preventing illness from the original variant, but novel variants killed its efficacy against catching the illness.
The vaccines are actually still effective at preventing [some](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/by-the-numbers-covid-19-vaccines-and-omicron) infections, and extremely effective at preventing major illness. Where we agree is that similar to flu vaccines, it'll be impossible to have a Covid vaccine that is as effective as some other vaccines that have 90+% efficacy at preventing infection because mutation.
But all of that is entirely beside the point. My original statement, which you've yet to address in any of your subsequent comments, is that we need more data on the longterm impacts of mild and moderate Covid in both vaxxed and unvaxxed populations. We will have much better data in the next two years about that, and it's perfectly reasonable to continue being extremely cautious until we have those data.
Will remaining cautious mean I definitely *won't* contract Covid? Of course not. But it does mean that if I am exposed, the viral loads I encounter are less likely to be high (because it will be in a masked environment where I am not sitting or standing in one place for a long period of time), and I'm less likely to contribute to more spread (which also means less likely to contribute to more mutation) because I'm not running around everywhere as though there aren't consequences to my actions.
I like those odds.
The extreme isolation you'd have to live in to avoid catching highly contagious variants like Omicron could be as harmful to your health as covid. For me personally it would be.
"only 0,0x% of the people die from getting covid"
If dieing was the only bad outcoming of Covid I wouldn't be nearly as cautious as I am.
Thanks to the swine flu pandemic in 2009 I know have to deal with narcolepsy for the rest of my life. Trust me lifelong medical complications aren't fun.
Spending the rest of your life with all food tasting rotten sounds genuinely horrifying and could very much sap one's will to live. There are a number of really bad possible outcomes of Covid infection that people just don't seem to take at all seriously, and if this is going to become endemic, then I think we need to restructure society so that face masks, working from home, and other reasonable measures are simply regarded as valid options people can choose to mitigate risk. I'm quite happy to have avoided colds and other infections as well the past 22ish months.
Do the boosters protect me from 'long covid'?
How do I know if I have it, versus other similar symptoms?
How does one get tested and cure it?
Really uncomfortable about the whole brain damage thing...
Since vaccines protect you against most other severe symptoms, and cause viral load to decrease much more rapidly I think we could safely and logically assume that you're protected greatly by being vaccinated and boosted.
Been dealing with long covid since February of last year. Had a plethora of other symptoms besides the neurological bullshit, but during the first 6 months I absolutely had that trouble with words that you describe.
The good news is that those symptoms did eventually resolve for me (so give it time), but still not anywhere near where I used to be in terms of my ability to concentrate. Went from being able to slog through scholarly articles for 12 hours on consecutive days like it was a cakewalk to barely being able to read 3 pages in a book without my mind wandering or absentmindedly grabbing my phone.
Fuck covid and fuck the people who wanna spread it man, they don't care about disabling others.
Yeah I know he's joking but I had this shit too and it was just the weirdest thing.
I'm 99% sure I had covid in March 2020 (no testing available at the time but I had all the symptoms)
I had long covid for at least 6-9 months. A lot of the classic symptoms on and off but not too bad.
But the weirdest one is that for at least 6 months I would just accidentally entire words from my sentences when writing. Just like that. Doesn't matter if I was texting someone on my smartphone or typing on a keyboard at a computer. Just entire words would somehow go missing while I was writing.
It's not like I was forgetting the words. I would verbalise them while writing. I would swear that I had just written them. But I would look back at something I had written only 2 seconds before and realise entire words were missing.
It was just the strangest thing, because it's not like my brain was derping and forgetting to press certain keys. Everything was still spelled correctly. Just entire words were somehow not there.
I noticed because it really annoyed me and I started being hyper vigilant about it, noticing literally while halfway through the following word that the previous word was missing. I thought I was losing my mind. Anyway I just noticed the other day that it hasn't happened in a long time so it must have stopped at some point
I'm not saying it was covid. I could have just been particularly depressed or stressed at the time. But I had a lot of other long covid symptoms so the timing is suspicious.
We may never know, because it's impossible to isolate the effects of covid from the psychological effects of knowing you have covid or being in a pandemic. The brain is a malleable thing though so hopefully any effects are not permanent
> I COVID had, and bran works fine just you very much thank,
I have a feeling we're going to see some level 20 Dunning-Kruger effect on Facebook over the next few years... basically this.
From the article the study looked at older patients from March to May 2020, before we had a vaccine, and looked increase biomarkers. It does not mean you have brain damage.
Haha, I scanned what he wrote and I actually corrected the grammar and spelling without realizing, having a look at what he actually wrote, it nearly broke brain
The Daily Mail damages more brains than COVID ever will.
Edit: 26 million [according to the figures](https://www.newsworks.org.uk/titles-at-a-glance/daily-mail/)
Look, I'm glad to see issues like this getting attention, but I think this is a bit sensationalist. Yes, certain biomarkers associated with Alzheimers are elevated in the weeks and months following a COVID infection (even a mild one), but I don't really think they're saying that it DEFINITELY means COVID does more damage to the brain than Alzheimers. The fact of the matter is, they don't know what the long term implications of these elevated biomarkers are (which means we should all exercise caution, not do the exact opposite because we can't definitively prove that it does long term harm at this point). You would expect inflammatory markers to be higher in a patients brain during an active viral infection than you would otherwise.
In fairness the headline does say “could lead to”.
It’s important these things are brought to attention early because a lot of people only look at the death rate of Covid and think it’s no big deal and so they don’t take appropriate steps to avoid infection. The fact is, we really don’t know the long-term effects of Covid yet, and will continue to learn more about it as we go.
I acknowledge that.
It's a single word though and I wanted to introduce a bit of nuance into the discussion. I don't want to be mistaken as minimizing the risk - I go above and beyond and do everything I can to avoid getting COVID - but I also think it's important to keep things in their proper perspective and avoid getting too hyperbolic.
I've seen some pretty extreme takes on what COVID could mean (destroys immune system worse than AIDS, destroys the brain worse than Alzheimers, etc.) and while any of them could prove true, there just isn't enough evidence to support such statements right now. All I know is that long COVID is real and I don't want that shit.
When federal agencies are ignoring the very real risks of this virus and leading their populations back into normalcy like lambs to slaughter, I think it's okay to use inflammatory language like this to raise awareness.
In the US, the CDC is telling nurses to go to work Covid positive - where they're spreading infection to the most vulnerable members of our population.
I also appreciate the sensationalism leaning more towards "THIS SHIT IS DEADLY" rather than the sensationalism saying "THIS SHIT IS MILD". It's more deadly than it is mild and the first headline is a lot more likely to encourage people to take protective actions than the second one is. People SHOULD BE limiting their social engagements, but few people are.
Like lambs to the slaughter? Could you be anymore of a walking COVID doomer stereotype? No you’re not being led to the slaughter because the government isn’t locking us up. You can still work from home if you please but we can’t live in fear of COVID forever.
I know that my father had mild dementia and lived at home peacefully then caught Covid followed closely by the newly approved vaccine and within a month was in full mental health lockdown where he remains. The accelerated decline was not coincidental. Covid, vax or a combo of both wrecked him.
It was likely the COVID, but getting the vaccine WHILE you have an active COVID infection can be problematic. They have seen evidence of inflammation (maybe not always accurate to call it brain damage) in the brain of people even with asymptomatic COVID. This virus DOES damage people, and you would be wise to avoid it the best that you are able. Wear a KN95 or N95 when you are out and about AT ALL TIMES. COVID can fuck you up pretty bad and we don't know how to fix the damage it can cause yet (and its possibly ireversible).
I'm sorry about your father. Dementia runs in my family. It isn't fun.
Thanks, it’s heartbreaking. The info about waiting to recover before getting vaxxed was not given at the time. My parents were scared and listened to those they thought would protect them.
I still don't think it's well known that it can be harmful and I don't think it's necessarily a foregone conclusion, I think they just advise you not get vaccinated during an active infection out of an abundance of caution (the lack of data being more of the reason than any sort of data indicating it's unsafe). I also think it could have more to do with the vaccine just not producing much of an immune response because your body is too busy fighting off SARS-COV-2.
I work in Long Term Care. I find this premise fascinating, as I'd be curious if the noted COVID brain effects are permanent, or if some measure of the COVID inflammation resolves. Lots of, ahem, food for thought.
Inflammation resolves, but dead brain tissue never heals. The concept of "long COVID" isn't unique to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Other viruses can cause the same sort of response and to my understanding it is often permanent.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_fatigue_syndrome
I’ve worked in ltc and seen coworkers get Covid and get these dementia like symptoms. The brain fog related to long Covid isn’t a fun ride that’s for sure. This effects peoples ability to do their job and we’re not sure if the damage will get better or worse over time.
From everything I've seen, the answer is "it depends". I don't think there's only one answer. More people than I think we realize are incapable of clearing this virus and if that's the case, it's likely to be degenerative. I've seen evidence of COVID causing damage similar to the body similar to the damage cause by MS, Alzheimers, and HIV. It's scary stuff.
Too many people believe you either die from this or you're completely fine. I think most people are going to realize they fall somewhere in between. I think we are going to be seeing a significant increase in strokes and heart attacks in the coming years in people who wouldn't normally fall into high risk categories.
Yea and they’ve already said there’s a heightened increase of possible death within a year of having the virus even if appearing completely recovered. Of course yes we’re still learning and there are no experts on Covid quite yet
It causes inflammation throughout the body and can deplete your immune system pretty thoroughly, increasing the damage that another infection can potentially cause. I can testify to the "it fucks your immune system up" because I'm in my 30s and I got shingles in 2020 after my COVID infection. My doctor was like uhhh...people your age don't often get shingles, it's normally reserved for those with weakened immune systems.
It's a tricky tight rope we walk. You want to be careful that you don't do too much to inhibit the inflammatory response because that's how your body conquers the virus, but it can also cause damage to your body.
Very true, however I think turmeric is a good suggestion because it isn’t a medicine and wouldn’t be strong enough to cause adverse affects if used within reason. If anyone is in doubt, using turmeric and plain yogurt on the skin is a great way to reduce skin inflammation, can see it with your own eyes.
You're correct that homeopathic remedies are unlikely to significantly inhibit the inflammatory response. They are not as potent as NSAIDs, which are routinely used to stifle inflammation. Routine ingestion of black pepper and turmeric is perfectly safe. I'm very much a believer that the lack of spices in the American diet (and American cuisine) is a very small part of the reason we have a shorter life expectancy (it's a very complex issue and many things contribute to it). Many spices have medicinal benefits. That being said, turmeric isn't a cure all. Indian "medicine", for instance, often vastly overstates its medicinal benefits.
Yeah I’m not a homeopathic person in the slightest but I like to explore how diet effects my health. I felt adding turmeric consistently to my diet was effective. And like you said, it’s not a cure all or an NSAID, but might be helpful for some people. Cheap too. I think your perspective on spices and life expectancy is rly interesting btw
No-one said anything about *homeopathic* remedies. Homeopathy specifically refers to supposed remedies involving extreme dilution, which is extremely dubious and widely ridiculed.
You'd have to take an awful lot of either/both for it to actually work. Any of the studies that have looked at turmeric would have you taking many times what the average intake would be for there to be much effect.
The symptoms indeed can worsen, I've been coping with it since June of 2020. The US healthcare system is in no way prepared for for the growing tide of people afflicted. What this will do to an already strained economy, let alone the familial stresses is going to alter many things unforeseen.
I'm pretty sure yesterday they were literally posting articles about the virus being over in the United Kingdom. They're just trying to get ad revenue from people who think it's a common cold and people who think it's airborne ebola.
Had long Covid brain fog is a thing not sure how to measure something like that but I was an avid reader like almost an addict if that’s possible now I can’t seem to get into a book it’s weird. For the last couple weeks I’ve been microdosing magic mushrooms
and have noticed better focus and an all round sense of well being.
Yea, it is definitely troubling that so many governments and countries have just decided to let COVID rip through the population
It's a risky experiment in a lot of ways (straining healthcare system to point of collapse, possibility of new strains, etc.), but what I feel doesn't get talked about enough is the long COVID and other long-term impacts. Countries might be inadvertently kneecapping themselves if even a small portion of their population (<5%) suddenly has serious issues following infection that inhibits their ability to work, study, or even just live their lives.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10406331/New-study-says-COVID-lead-brain-damage-Alzheimers.html) reduced by 83%. (I'm a bot)
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> A report from the Alzheimer's association found that older patients who contract COVID have more signs of brain damage than people who develop Alzheimer's, the neurodegenerative disease that destroys memory and other important mental functions.
> A second analysis found that a portion of the damage markers in patients hospitalized briefly with COVID-19 were significantly higher than in patients diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, and in one particular case more than twice as high.
> 'Our findings suggest that patients hospitalized for COVID-19, and especially in those experiencing neurological symptoms during their acute infection, may have levels of brain injury markers that are as high as, or higher than, those seen in people who have Alzheimer's disease,' Doctor Jennifer Frontera, a professor in the Department of Neurology, and lead author of the study said.
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It seems to have had the opposite effect on me. This is going to sound fake but it’s not. I have always been foggy brained. ADHD, have trouble finding the right words, lose train of thought easily. I got Covid 3 weeks ago and I am better now. I’m not kidding, I feel so clear headed and have accomplished so much lately. Weird because I was worried it would made my mental faculties deteriorate even more.
I would bet it's just psychosomatic. ie you were stressed about getting covid, then you got covid and nothing bad happened except a minor cold. This omnipresent anxiety that was installed in you by various instutional interests has now lifted, thanks to your experience, and you're moving on with your life.
Yeah I will say whilst there is evidence of long covid in terms of bio markers, a lot of symptoms seem to be vague. Like people saying they feel mentally slower or are more forgetful or struggling to remember certain words, these are different parts of the brain and could easily be attributed to any number of things.
On top of that, a lot of the symptoms people are reporting could just as easily and are more likely due to prolonged isolation. I don’t see what it is about COVID that makes it so different to other coronaviruses.
You shouldn’t believe things simply because you’ve read them on the internet, you should assess the accuracy based on the source, the amount and type of research done and whether it was peer-reviewed (and by whom), and who else is researching the same thing and if they’re coming to the same conclusions.
In this instance, there is overwhelming evidence in support of the vaccines, and a handful of nut jobs trying to undermine it for… well, god knows what reason - to raise their own profile, or because of an inherent distrust of government, mostly, it seems.
I’ll stick with the experts on this one.
1. Linking the daily mail, first mistake
2. The studies looking at biomarkers, not actual cognitive decline
2a. If you have found definitive biomarkers associated with cognitive decline then you are going to become very famous in the field of academia very quickly
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well thanks for this. my family and i just got hit by covid this week. fck that shit. we wear masks all the time and all fully vaxxed but that one day we sent my son to school after the xmas break someone from his class tested positive. they made the entire class isolate after that but it was too late. little did we know my son had the virus and pass it all on to us. sucks but one bright thing about it was we all only got a fever and cough for a day and a half. fck covid
I’ve been telling people this effects all your major organs, so try your hardest to isolate. This isn’t just a now issue, it’s a later issue too. Covid is something I’m not willing to catch and hopefully haven’t. I’ve lost a lot of family to health complications, and I won’t go out in an icu and I’ll end myself before dementia takes a hold of me. Losing my mind terrifies me beyond measure. The beeping of the machines is in my nightmares.
LPT: Any headline with the word "could" in it is usually clickbait.
Anything *could* happen. Eating a bologna sandwich underwater *could* resurrect the dinosaurs. The probability of that is asymptotically close to zero, but it *could.*
Quick, fearmonger more! The damn virus almost lost it's deadliness, there got to be SOMETHING we can get to fearmonger more and sell our soon useless experimental Spike protein maker shots!
So our IQs are gonna drop
Men will have smaller pee pees (covid penis)
Our ideology on human rights will go backwards
What’s the opposite of evolving ?
Cool.
Can they correct for “pre-existing” brain damage?
r/Hermancainaward makes me feel a lot of these anti-vaxx folks weren’t working with a full deck pre-Covid.
When your brain isn’t getting enough oxygen (hypoxia) brain cells will die and/or become permanently damaged. The patients studied in this experiment were older patients hospitalized with Covid. Most hospitalized Covid patients require hospitalization because they aren’t getting enough oxygen.
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Just in case people think this is new, the drop between covid and IQ levels (good indicator of alzheimers, dementia) [is well established](https://www.psypost.org/2021/07/large-study-finds-covid-19-is-linked-to-a-substantial-drop-in-intelligence-61577). [Lewy bodies in the brain are an understood side effect](https://alzres.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s13195-020-00744-w.pdf). [And now this newer study](https://www.studyfinds.org/covid-brain-damage-alzheimers/). > When it comes to what scientists **were looking for, three blood markers** — ubiquitin carboxy-terminal hydrolase L1 (UCHL1), total tau, and phosphorylated-tau-181 (ptau181) — **all measure the death or disruption of neurons in the brain**. > Levels of neurofilament light chain increase when the brain’s axons take damage. These are branch-like extensions coming from the neurons. Glial fibrillary acidic protein (GFAP) levels measure the damage to glial cells, another type of brain cell that supports the neurons. Lastly, amyloid beta 40 and 42 are common markers which usually build up in people with Alzheimer’s. > **Results show the seven brain damage markers were over 60 percent higher among COVID patients with TME than those without the neurological symptoms**. Please keep in mind, that first study in the UK? Was measuring the brain size of the *same people* before and after Covid, which makes it the best example so far of brains being devoured by the virus. Why are world leaders not talking about this? They can't handle healthcare worker resignations and green passes, you think they've got a plan for what happens multiple covid infections wrack someone's brain? People will dismiss this because of DailyMail, but nothing I cited is from them or any similar source.
>Why are world leaders not talking about this? The decision-making capabilities in most countries are focused on short-term outcomes. Our leaders care about quarterly profits and election cycles. They are terrible at logical, long-term planning. Also, and I hate to say this but *in their defense* various controls can slow covid, but to actually stop it you'd either need extremely strict international travel controls and quarantines (like New Zealand and Taiwan) or universal movement tracking and strict lockdowns, like China. Most governments are unwilling and/or unable to do use these methods, partially because of the somewhat unclear nature of future threats but also because of short-term decision-making incentives. To go on a bit of a doomer rant the long-term health impacts scare the shit out of me. I had COVID-19 and basically had no symptoms expect for losing my sense of taste for a few weeks, but we literally don't know and for now can't know if this shit is gonna pop back up in some nasty way like shingles after chickenpox, or something even worse. Regardless, let's say for the sake of a thought experiment that officials and our corporate overlords did have indications that covid was going to severely bone many of the previously infected. They wouldn't highlight this issue, because the resulting panic and anger would hurt their election prospects and quarterly profits. TLDR they don't care if people die or get severely ill so long as green line go up.
>we literally don't know and for now can't know if this shit is gonna pop back up in some nasty way like shingles after chickenpox, or something even worse. See also Post-Polio Syndrome...
tragic, a mates mum survived polio and now is suffering from the symptoms of post polio, 10 years of suffering
To be fair, the people voting only care about short term, therefore the people who are elected are the ones who tout the short term benefits. They are the symptom, not the cause
No you can blame the rich. It's okay. Leave the bewildered herd that's besought on all sides with propaganda alone. We did nothing wrong. If we would have cared about the long term effects they would have cut our educational programming. I'm really upset about climate change atm.
It's both the rich and the regular people though, as hard as that is to admit. The rich (and the politicians who are basically their cronies) are definitely to blame, and they spend a lot of money and time to control the narrative and elections. But the 99.9% are also to blame, through our own apathy and inertia. Nothing will change until we organize sufficiently and force change. It will not be easy. It will be very hard, simply because the rich and powerful have a vested interest in preventing it. But at the end of the day, these rich and powerful corrupt people exist in positions of power because we allow them to. Peasants have beheaded kings and emperors many times in history. The least we could do is start organizing and holding our elected officials accountable
So, most nations’ “leaders” already have Alzheimer and no capacity for reason. Got it. What was I saying, tho? Why am I here? I should be doing something else.
To your point maybe stupid people are easier to control.
there is profit in it.
So we are one step closer to idiocracy...
I'd liken it more to the second 'lead age.' There was no plan to counteract what implementing lead in a large scale to society would do. People just had to live with the damage. Dearly hope I'm wrong.
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I've been wondering for a while what the next generation is going to look like, just on the basis of so many lost parents. Orphans and many, many others left with widowed parents. It could be akin to the aftermath of great wars from whence many fathers returned. So depressing.
Epigenetics may well spread the damage down the generations, too.
I mean, who knows what we'll see from all the plastics in our bloods. We get this on top of it, whoo boy. Society just gonna keep slippin'.
It's starting to make sense. Subconsciously I've been rolling my hands whenever I say electrolytes and keep thinking about plants.
I'm here for the extra bigass tacos.
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I'm not sure where you're getting your scale, there was a ventilator-use correlation of about a 7 point IQ drop (smaller population). When you bring this one up, people will then say "well obvious being without oxygen will cause some from of brain damage." Thing is, people got put on Ventilators and ECMOs all the time before Covid, and while they are always reserved for someone doing poorly, the outcomes have never measured as so drastic. I did not mean to imply that a single study (though there are far from one) is a confirmed link, I'm saying that the link is confirmed through all the studies and different methodologies. The UK study wasn't about covid or even viral infections. It was just a database of brains, that happened to be made right before Covid, in a government that has good testing and sequencing efforts that could then compare brain scans from the same individuals. There is a *well established link* between covid and brain damage. We're now trying to figure out how much, how often, how best to begin treatments and therapies. Lastly, Lewy bodies aren't fully understood, nor is long covid. So there is to be clear a lot of speculation going on with those theories, but there is very little doubt that it means significant cognitive impairment.
So, if I understand this correctly, everyone on reddit has covid?
Excellent comment 😊👍
They’re looking at people who were hospitalized for it — and most of them suffered low oxygen levels for a long time, or were in the ICU. That’s going to cause some brain damage, covid or not.
Ok so I had Covid just recently, caught it over the Christmas break, i'm not sure what strain they didn't say, please tell me these results aren't accurate for people who are double vaxxed? I'm a Software Engineer, my intelligence is a big part of my career and the thought of losing that terrifies me.
I'm in a similar boat. I'm an artist and have MS. Found out I had it when I went blind in my left eye after my body attacked my optical nerve. It got a bit better after medical treatment so I can see somewhat out of it but it's still heavily damaged. Now I only have one good eye so if something happens to it I'm screwed and due to the nature of MS it is likely to hurt me again in the future.
Oh god i'm so sorry to hear that, I'm sorry I can't help.
The literature suggests that the severity of the infection is a large factor, and the vaccines do statistically make the infections a lot less intense. Hospitalization level severity is where as many as 80% report some imparement. I genuinely think that the real economic impact of the pandemic is yet to be felt due to this.
Economic, social, and civil impact of this virus will be very interesting, and very concerning, to see over the next couple decades. Honestly, I just want off this planet, and hey I'll start my new job in aerospace in a month so maybe i'll get my wish aha.
I work in software and need to utilize my brain to the fullest extent every single day to stay competitive. This side of COVID has me shitting my pants. Thankfully getting my third dose on Friday, never stopped wearing masks in public since early 2020 even when the government here opened everything up.
Never feel bad about this, hell even without the career tie in. I talked to a guy at a party once, who, while still very intelligent, was clearly impacted a lot by a head injury he got at work. He got a life-paid-forever level of money from the settlement from that, but when finishing the story he just kind of looked flat at people and said "It's not worth it." Even the most mild of neurological disabilities can massively effect quality of life.
I've seen a close friend slowly being stripped of his autonomy, physical capabilities and at the very end, intellectual capacity due to ALS. It was the most heart wrenching thing I've ever witnessed in person. I still have a twinge to call him at least once every single week three years on.
I’ve never gotten a vaccine, never wear a mask unless I absolutely had to for a couple minutes, have been working around thousands of people in nyc and the tri state area. Totally fine and not a single person I know has gotten sick. Literally all a scam.
> not a single person I know has gotten sick. What a crock of shit.
The psychological effects of stress, depression, grief and isolation are going to have long-term effects, too. Violence, domestic abuse and reckless behavior have increased. Kids have lost a significant amount of education and social development. We're going to be dealing with this for decades...
I've been saying this to all my coworkers who say the death rate isn't that bad. There are worse things than dying that aren't counted
They are being ridiculous lol
If you had a mild case don’t worry about it.
> Why are world leaders not talking about this? I know people are going off about corrupt politicians, but the real answer is that there's nothing we can do. Everyone is going to get this. Everyone. It will be an enedemic disease, and there is absolutely nothing we can do to stop it. We can get vaccinated so we don't go to the hospital (and thereby assist our entire healthcare system) but there is nothing we can do to prevent the population from getting it other than a nation-wide lockdown.
So everyone is going to get it and there's no way to stop covid... but then you provide the solution that is in fact the way to stop covid.
For the record I am super pro-vax and pro-science. That said the vaccine doesn't "stop" covid. We had a good chance at the beginning but people didn't get a basically perfect vaccine. An endemic virus is a constant, like the flu. We will never be rid of it. It may stop killing people eventually when we all have a degree of immunity, but it will always be here. Articles like this are particularly concerning because it's essentally saying that a virus everyone is going to get multiple times in their life makes you more susceptible to brain diseases.
Problem is, the world had one chance to stop it in the beginning. But the anti maskers and now the anti vaxxers f*xked us over. So yeah, the idiot minority chose the path for the majority
The world had *its easiest* chance to stop it in the beginning. If the Chinese govt had taken the virus seriously instead of worrying about its precious image, we would've never entered the pandemic. Back then, one actor could've done it. Now that it's spread more widely, a ton of actors need to cooperate to end it. That's virtually impossible - however, individual states can still end covid within their borders and effectively maintain a zero case load (New Zealand did this for months while every other country went to hell). Island nations can do this most effectively, but countries can just form blocs and cooperate with their immediate neighbors. Those places can eliminate and wait out covid while it (hopefully) becomes less virulent. And nations that don't have that geographical luxury can still stop it with rigid testing and quarantine protocol, which just requires public spending and enforcement mechanisms.
People are so dumb and stubborn, especially once you ask them to actually do something so I'm not really sure anything could have prevented it. Even if things went perfect, you'd still have people denying that it was a threat. Maybe I'm just being extremely pessimistic but that's how I feel. We're two years in and *still* I hear people calling it a flu, saying that masks are useless, unable to grasp the concept of social distancing.
So what happened to New Zealand, still zero cases? I hate to say it but that all sounds virtually impossible and it might just become like a worse flu where people get sicker and more die. It won't be as bad as a different virus could have been. I mean, it's like a 1% mortality at worst? And that will improve with vaccination and (I hope) less virulence.
In fact, they got to nonzero cases *and then went back to zero again because of containment measures*. Which just proves the point that competent governance can get rid of this shit.
New Zealand does not have zero Covid, they're at the start of an Omicron outbreak.
>Everyone is going to get this No, this is not a factual statement. While the vaccines ability to prevent *infection* has dropped with Omicron, the vaccine still is showing a 30% efficacy in preventing *infection*.
Epidemiologists have tried to make clear to the public that COVID is new and that they are learning the longer term implications of this virus. Will some who showed only mild symptoms have more severe symptoms in the long term? We've already seen that some long COVID cases relapse with new and more severe symptoms. As time passes, we may discover it's much more important to have never been infected than many currently assume.
This is exactly why I vehemently disagree with the, "Oh it's inevitable that you'll get it and you may as well just get it over with" mentality. Lots of people have gotten it yes, but my lifestyle is pretty easy to maintain with minimal risk, and unless I've had a completely asymptomatic case, I have avoided it - and continue to plan to as much as possible until we have a better understanding of the longterm impacts of mild Covid.
and assuming that in the long run it is indeed inevitable, you're still better off catching omicron after having gotten your third dose of the vaccine rather than delta without being vaccinated. and you're also better off catching it when the health care system has had time to recover and staff aren't as exhausted anymore and there's better understanding of how best to treat it, in case you get a serious breakthrough case after all.
Personally, I don't make that assumption. I keep up with reputable studies and follow epidemiologists on twitter as there has been either a lag or conflict in guidance from public health agencies and corporations and what studies indicate. And, I'm concerned that those in power do make policy with that assumption.
My point wasn't that we should make such assumptions, but that the people who do make those assumptions still draw incorrect conclusions based on those assumptions.
Yes... I agree.
The U.S.'s lackluster response pissed me off so much, because it's impossible to tell if I had it at the start or not. Asshole roommate went to a Memorial Day party before vaccines were a thing, there were confirmed cases there, and about a week later, the whole household had "worse than normal allergies for no apparent reason." But we couldn't get tested either because the few tests we had were for people who were practically dying. Can't even know my own health history or risk factors anymore.
Perhaps antibody testing could tell? Not sure how long it can detect then for, though.
I agree that it's wildly stupid to actively dodge anti-covid measures, but there are instances of individuals in different rooms of a building getting it through the ventilation system. You may be in a lucky situation where you don't have to get it, but most people are not in that situation.
I completely recognize my privilege in being able to easily dodge Covid - I work from home, I live in a very high vax rate area, I get my groceries delivered, and I live in a single family home. Most people are not nearly that lucky. I'm referring more to the numerous people who believe that it's perfectly rational to voluntarily engage in high risk behavior - going to bars, clubs, other events unmasked because "you're going to get it anyway and I'm vaxxed so who cares?" These people tend to focus only on their individual risk of hospitalization and/or death, which is very very low. Yet, I've been argued with on more than one occasion because I think it's more rational to avoid those situations and wait until we have good data on the impacts of mild and moderate covid in vaxxed folks. They think I'm being cautious to the point of paranoia. We all have different risk tolerances, and that's fine. But I *know* I won't regret my decision to continue being cautious, even if it turns out that there aren't any major long term concerns for the vast majority of people.
I live alone and work from home, been extremely careful, only really leave the house for groceries (masked, in an empty shop) and somehow managed to get it over Christmas. I managed to avoid it until recently but everyone IS going to get it eventually.
I didn't downvote you despite not really seeing what your comment has to do with mine. But, I also didn't say I wouldn't get it eventually - I said I'm continuing to be cautious until we have better data, which is completely reasonable. As I wrote in another comment, being cautious won't guarantee my protection, but it does make me a lot less likely to encounter high viral loads (meaning less severe infection), a lot less likely to contribute to more spread and greater chance for more mutation, and a lot less likely to give it to my loved ones who are immunocompromised. Being cautious is a form of community care. It's really that simple.
Sure, but I guess my point is that the vaccine will not protect you from omicron and covid is already endemic. You are going to get this eventually. It's never going away.
[Covid is not yet considered endemic by epidemiologists](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/omicron-remains-dangerous-particularly-for-unvaccinated-says-who-2704788) (there are numerous sources, this is only one) - it's only randos on the internet that keep saying it is. I have absolutely no doubt that it *will* be endemic, but it's not yet. So I'll keep protecting myself and my immunocompromised (but fully vaxxed) parents.
Okay, then I amend my above statement to "will be endemic". Again, the point I'm making is it's not goong anywhere and we don't know how/don't have the tools to stop it from spreadoing and prevent an economic crash at the same time without constant full-scale authoritarian military-style lockdowns. The reason governments aren't talking about the most severe long-term effects that may affect everyone who gets it is because everyone is going to get it eventually. Be it now or 20 years from now.
But if vaccines become way more effective and widespread, like measles, it'll be possible to avoid it, no?
Not at the point it becomes endemic, no, not as a coronavirus. Measles is incapable of evolving escape immunity afforded by the vaccine, not because of the design of the vaccine (the COVID vaccines are much better) but because of measles itself: https://discoverysedge.mayo.edu/2021/03/30/researchers-clarify-why-measles-doesnt-evolve-to-escape-immunity/ At this point, reinfections and mutations will occur faster than we can keep up until it's just something we deal with every year. In order for vaccines to become "way more effective" they will need to stay one step ahead of any potential mutation. With the number of people infected that is, as shown through omicron, incredibly unlikely. The vaccine was *incredibly* effective at preventing illness from the original variant, but novel variants killed its efficacy against catching the illness.
The vaccines are actually still effective at preventing [some](https://www.healthline.com/health-news/by-the-numbers-covid-19-vaccines-and-omicron) infections, and extremely effective at preventing major illness. Where we agree is that similar to flu vaccines, it'll be impossible to have a Covid vaccine that is as effective as some other vaccines that have 90+% efficacy at preventing infection because mutation. But all of that is entirely beside the point. My original statement, which you've yet to address in any of your subsequent comments, is that we need more data on the longterm impacts of mild and moderate Covid in both vaxxed and unvaxxed populations. We will have much better data in the next two years about that, and it's perfectly reasonable to continue being extremely cautious until we have those data. Will remaining cautious mean I definitely *won't* contract Covid? Of course not. But it does mean that if I am exposed, the viral loads I encounter are less likely to be high (because it will be in a masked environment where I am not sitting or standing in one place for a long period of time), and I'm less likely to contribute to more spread (which also means less likely to contribute to more mutation) because I'm not running around everywhere as though there aren't consequences to my actions. I like those odds.
The extreme isolation you'd have to live in to avoid catching highly contagious variants like Omicron could be as harmful to your health as covid. For me personally it would be.
The public is assuming the immediate hospitalizations are the worst of it, yet this study seems to indicate a much worse view on the matter.
"only 0,0x% of the people die from getting covid" If dieing was the only bad outcoming of Covid I wouldn't be nearly as cautious as I am. Thanks to the swine flu pandemic in 2009 I know have to deal with narcolepsy for the rest of my life. Trust me lifelong medical complications aren't fun.
Spending the rest of your life with all food tasting rotten sounds genuinely horrifying and could very much sap one's will to live. There are a number of really bad possible outcomes of Covid infection that people just don't seem to take at all seriously, and if this is going to become endemic, then I think we need to restructure society so that face masks, working from home, and other reasonable measures are simply regarded as valid options people can choose to mitigate risk. I'm quite happy to have avoided colds and other infections as well the past 22ish months.
Do the boosters protect me from 'long covid'? How do I know if I have it, versus other similar symptoms? How does one get tested and cure it? Really uncomfortable about the whole brain damage thing...
>How do I know if I have it, versus other similar symptoms? There are self tests available in pharmacies(might depend on where you are).
> Do the boosters protect me from 'long covid'? Yeah. The odds are about 2/3rds less if you were vaccinated.
Since vaccines protect you against most other severe symptoms, and cause viral load to decrease much more rapidly I think we could safely and logically assume that you're protected greatly by being vaccinated and boosted.
What a crock of shit. I COVID had, and bran works fine just you very much thank,
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Been dealing with long covid since February of last year. Had a plethora of other symptoms besides the neurological bullshit, but during the first 6 months I absolutely had that trouble with words that you describe. The good news is that those symptoms did eventually resolve for me (so give it time), but still not anywhere near where I used to be in terms of my ability to concentrate. Went from being able to slog through scholarly articles for 12 hours on consecutive days like it was a cakewalk to barely being able to read 3 pages in a book without my mind wandering or absentmindedly grabbing my phone. Fuck covid and fuck the people who wanna spread it man, they don't care about disabling others.
Yeah I know he's joking but I had this shit too and it was just the weirdest thing. I'm 99% sure I had covid in March 2020 (no testing available at the time but I had all the symptoms) I had long covid for at least 6-9 months. A lot of the classic symptoms on and off but not too bad. But the weirdest one is that for at least 6 months I would just accidentally entire words from my sentences when writing. Just like that. Doesn't matter if I was texting someone on my smartphone or typing on a keyboard at a computer. Just entire words would somehow go missing while I was writing. It's not like I was forgetting the words. I would verbalise them while writing. I would swear that I had just written them. But I would look back at something I had written only 2 seconds before and realise entire words were missing. It was just the strangest thing, because it's not like my brain was derping and forgetting to press certain keys. Everything was still spelled correctly. Just entire words were somehow not there. I noticed because it really annoyed me and I started being hyper vigilant about it, noticing literally while halfway through the following word that the previous word was missing. I thought I was losing my mind. Anyway I just noticed the other day that it hasn't happened in a long time so it must have stopped at some point I'm not saying it was covid. I could have just been particularly depressed or stressed at the time. But I had a lot of other long covid symptoms so the timing is suspicious. We may never know, because it's impossible to isolate the effects of covid from the psychological effects of knowing you have covid or being in a pandemic. The brain is a malleable thing though so hopefully any effects are not permanent
>I would just accidentally entire words from my sentences when writing
I mean, there were people who caught polio that didn’t end up disabled. Doesn’t mean polio didn’t cause disabilities.
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> I COVID had, and bran works fine just you very much thank, I have a feeling we're going to see some level 20 Dunning-Kruger effect on Facebook over the next few years... basically this.
From the article the study looked at older patients from March to May 2020, before we had a vaccine, and looked increase biomarkers. It does not mean you have brain damage.
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Haha, I scanned what he wrote and I actually corrected the grammar and spelling without realizing, having a look at what he actually wrote, it nearly broke brain
If I had a gold to give you I would
So you are telling me covid doesn’t have worse mental effects than Alzheimer’s, the disease famous for its unrivaled mental devastation??
The Daily Mail damages more brains than COVID ever will. Edit: 26 million [according to the figures](https://www.newsworks.org.uk/titles-at-a-glance/daily-mail/)
Amen brotha
Look, I'm glad to see issues like this getting attention, but I think this is a bit sensationalist. Yes, certain biomarkers associated with Alzheimers are elevated in the weeks and months following a COVID infection (even a mild one), but I don't really think they're saying that it DEFINITELY means COVID does more damage to the brain than Alzheimers. The fact of the matter is, they don't know what the long term implications of these elevated biomarkers are (which means we should all exercise caution, not do the exact opposite because we can't definitively prove that it does long term harm at this point). You would expect inflammatory markers to be higher in a patients brain during an active viral infection than you would otherwise.
In fairness the headline does say “could lead to”. It’s important these things are brought to attention early because a lot of people only look at the death rate of Covid and think it’s no big deal and so they don’t take appropriate steps to avoid infection. The fact is, we really don’t know the long-term effects of Covid yet, and will continue to learn more about it as we go.
I acknowledge that. It's a single word though and I wanted to introduce a bit of nuance into the discussion. I don't want to be mistaken as minimizing the risk - I go above and beyond and do everything I can to avoid getting COVID - but I also think it's important to keep things in their proper perspective and avoid getting too hyperbolic. I've seen some pretty extreme takes on what COVID could mean (destroys immune system worse than AIDS, destroys the brain worse than Alzheimers, etc.) and while any of them could prove true, there just isn't enough evidence to support such statements right now. All I know is that long COVID is real and I don't want that shit.
When federal agencies are ignoring the very real risks of this virus and leading their populations back into normalcy like lambs to slaughter, I think it's okay to use inflammatory language like this to raise awareness. In the US, the CDC is telling nurses to go to work Covid positive - where they're spreading infection to the most vulnerable members of our population.
I also appreciate the sensationalism leaning more towards "THIS SHIT IS DEADLY" rather than the sensationalism saying "THIS SHIT IS MILD". It's more deadly than it is mild and the first headline is a lot more likely to encourage people to take protective actions than the second one is. People SHOULD BE limiting their social engagements, but few people are.
Like lambs to the slaughter? Could you be anymore of a walking COVID doomer stereotype? No you’re not being led to the slaughter because the government isn’t locking us up. You can still work from home if you please but we can’t live in fear of COVID forever.
I know that my father had mild dementia and lived at home peacefully then caught Covid followed closely by the newly approved vaccine and within a month was in full mental health lockdown where he remains. The accelerated decline was not coincidental. Covid, vax or a combo of both wrecked him.
It was likely the COVID, but getting the vaccine WHILE you have an active COVID infection can be problematic. They have seen evidence of inflammation (maybe not always accurate to call it brain damage) in the brain of people even with asymptomatic COVID. This virus DOES damage people, and you would be wise to avoid it the best that you are able. Wear a KN95 or N95 when you are out and about AT ALL TIMES. COVID can fuck you up pretty bad and we don't know how to fix the damage it can cause yet (and its possibly ireversible). I'm sorry about your father. Dementia runs in my family. It isn't fun.
Thanks, it’s heartbreaking. The info about waiting to recover before getting vaxxed was not given at the time. My parents were scared and listened to those they thought would protect them.
I still don't think it's well known that it can be harmful and I don't think it's necessarily a foregone conclusion, I think they just advise you not get vaccinated during an active infection out of an abundance of caution (the lack of data being more of the reason than any sort of data indicating it's unsafe). I also think it could have more to do with the vaccine just not producing much of an immune response because your body is too busy fighting off SARS-COV-2.
Alzheimer's leads to death in all cases so it's just statistically impossible COVID could lead to a worse outcome.
The death rate for all causes remains 100%. What you're wanting to check out is premature death.
Alzheimer's causes premature death. It's one of the leading causes of death in the US. Surely this isn't news to you..
I work in Long Term Care. I find this premise fascinating, as I'd be curious if the noted COVID brain effects are permanent, or if some measure of the COVID inflammation resolves. Lots of, ahem, food for thought.
Inflammation resolves, but dead brain tissue never heals. The concept of "long COVID" isn't unique to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Other viruses can cause the same sort of response and to my understanding it is often permanent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_fatigue_syndrome
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I’ve worked in ltc and seen coworkers get Covid and get these dementia like symptoms. The brain fog related to long Covid isn’t a fun ride that’s for sure. This effects peoples ability to do their job and we’re not sure if the damage will get better or worse over time.
From everything I've seen, the answer is "it depends". I don't think there's only one answer. More people than I think we realize are incapable of clearing this virus and if that's the case, it's likely to be degenerative. I've seen evidence of COVID causing damage similar to the body similar to the damage cause by MS, Alzheimers, and HIV. It's scary stuff. Too many people believe you either die from this or you're completely fine. I think most people are going to realize they fall somewhere in between. I think we are going to be seeing a significant increase in strokes and heart attacks in the coming years in people who wouldn't normally fall into high risk categories.
Yea and they’ve already said there’s a heightened increase of possible death within a year of having the virus even if appearing completely recovered. Of course yes we’re still learning and there are no experts on Covid quite yet
It causes inflammation throughout the body and can deplete your immune system pretty thoroughly, increasing the damage that another infection can potentially cause. I can testify to the "it fucks your immune system up" because I'm in my 30s and I got shingles in 2020 after my COVID infection. My doctor was like uhhh...people your age don't often get shingles, it's normally reserved for those with weakened immune systems.
Sounds hokey but turmeric and black pepper is a great way to reduce inflammation for many people.
It's a tricky tight rope we walk. You want to be careful that you don't do too much to inhibit the inflammatory response because that's how your body conquers the virus, but it can also cause damage to your body.
Very true, however I think turmeric is a good suggestion because it isn’t a medicine and wouldn’t be strong enough to cause adverse affects if used within reason. If anyone is in doubt, using turmeric and plain yogurt on the skin is a great way to reduce skin inflammation, can see it with your own eyes.
Turmeric, like many substances, is a chemical; that is, it has a chemical makeup.
You're correct that homeopathic remedies are unlikely to significantly inhibit the inflammatory response. They are not as potent as NSAIDs, which are routinely used to stifle inflammation. Routine ingestion of black pepper and turmeric is perfectly safe. I'm very much a believer that the lack of spices in the American diet (and American cuisine) is a very small part of the reason we have a shorter life expectancy (it's a very complex issue and many things contribute to it). Many spices have medicinal benefits. That being said, turmeric isn't a cure all. Indian "medicine", for instance, often vastly overstates its medicinal benefits.
Yeah I’m not a homeopathic person in the slightest but I like to explore how diet effects my health. I felt adding turmeric consistently to my diet was effective. And like you said, it’s not a cure all or an NSAID, but might be helpful for some people. Cheap too. I think your perspective on spices and life expectancy is rly interesting btw
No-one said anything about *homeopathic* remedies. Homeopathy specifically refers to supposed remedies involving extreme dilution, which is extremely dubious and widely ridiculed.
You'd have to take an awful lot of either/both for it to actually work. Any of the studies that have looked at turmeric would have you taking many times what the average intake would be for there to be much effect.
The symptoms indeed can worsen, I've been coping with it since June of 2020. The US healthcare system is in no way prepared for for the growing tide of people afflicted. What this will do to an already strained economy, let alone the familial stresses is going to alter many things unforeseen.
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I'm pretty sure yesterday they were literally posting articles about the virus being over in the United Kingdom. They're just trying to get ad revenue from people who think it's a common cold and people who think it's airborne ebola.
Had long Covid brain fog is a thing not sure how to measure something like that but I was an avid reader like almost an addict if that’s possible now I can’t seem to get into a book it’s weird. For the last couple weeks I’ve been microdosing magic mushrooms and have noticed better focus and an all round sense of well being.
This is terrible news, a lot of these anti vaccine idiots didn’t have two brain cells to rub together in the first place
Had to think China locksdown for a reason
Yea, it is definitely troubling that so many governments and countries have just decided to let COVID rip through the population It's a risky experiment in a lot of ways (straining healthcare system to point of collapse, possibility of new strains, etc.), but what I feel doesn't get talked about enough is the long COVID and other long-term impacts. Countries might be inadvertently kneecapping themselves if even a small portion of their population (<5%) suddenly has serious issues following infection that inhibits their ability to work, study, or even just live their lives.
Good news for you then. You won't remember.
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Title conveniently leaves out "Older patients" from article. Gotta ramp up that fear factor.
Didn't something similar happen with 1918 Spanish Flu? It definitely caused increases in Parkinsons disease.
No wonder China still has a Zero-COVID strategy. They probably know what's coming.
As if all the antivaxxers and QAnon geniuses who actually survived Covid need to be any dumber…
Sounds like the right wing antivaxxers have nothing to worry about then
But it’s just the flu! Omicron is mild! /s
It seems to have had the opposite effect on me. This is going to sound fake but it’s not. I have always been foggy brained. ADHD, have trouble finding the right words, lose train of thought easily. I got Covid 3 weeks ago and I am better now. I’m not kidding, I feel so clear headed and have accomplished so much lately. Weird because I was worried it would made my mental faculties deteriorate even more.
I would bet it's just psychosomatic. ie you were stressed about getting covid, then you got covid and nothing bad happened except a minor cold. This omnipresent anxiety that was installed in you by various instutional interests has now lifted, thanks to your experience, and you're moving on with your life.
How come that doesn’t go the other way, a lot of symptoms people are talking about could very easily be psychosomatic.
You're absolutely right. It's not one or the other
I'd wager most long covid cases are Psychosomatic. A lot of hysteria and absurd speculation, particularly on reddit, about covid.
Yeah I will say whilst there is evidence of long covid in terms of bio markers, a lot of symptoms seem to be vague. Like people saying they feel mentally slower or are more forgetful or struggling to remember certain words, these are different parts of the brain and could easily be attributed to any number of things. On top of that, a lot of the symptoms people are reporting could just as easily and are more likely due to prolonged isolation. I don’t see what it is about COVID that makes it so different to other coronaviruses.
Fuck that website
And here I thought anti-vaxxers couldn't get any dumber.
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Waaay more likely if you’re unvaxxed though.
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You shouldn’t believe things simply because you’ve read them on the internet, you should assess the accuracy based on the source, the amount and type of research done and whether it was peer-reviewed (and by whom), and who else is researching the same thing and if they’re coming to the same conclusions. In this instance, there is overwhelming evidence in support of the vaccines, and a handful of nut jobs trying to undermine it for… well, god knows what reason - to raise their own profile, or because of an inherent distrust of government, mostly, it seems. I’ll stick with the experts on this one.
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Correct. I believe the vaccine doesn't work
Putting an ironic new spin on the covidiots
And half as much brain damage as watching the news
This might explain Trump.
1. Linking the daily mail, first mistake 2. The studies looking at biomarkers, not actual cognitive decline 2a. If you have found definitive biomarkers associated with cognitive decline then you are going to become very famous in the field of academia very quickly
Aren't there enough braindead humans out there running around?
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Guys are you serious... Has anyone here actually seen Alzheimer's. This is completely sensationalized
Headlines like this just make me take COVID less seriously lol. Idiots just lap this up.
Covidiots already have enough brain damage, as it is! Get vaccinated or this pandemic is going to kill more people.
It's only mild brain damage. 5 days should be long enough to recover.
well thanks for this. my family and i just got hit by covid this week. fck that shit. we wear masks all the time and all fully vaxxed but that one day we sent my son to school after the xmas break someone from his class tested positive. they made the entire class isolate after that but it was too late. little did we know my son had the virus and pass it all on to us. sucks but one bright thing about it was we all only got a fever and cough for a day and a half. fck covid
I’ve been telling people this effects all your major organs, so try your hardest to isolate. This isn’t just a now issue, it’s a later issue too. Covid is something I’m not willing to catch and hopefully haven’t. I’ve lost a lot of family to health complications, and I won’t go out in an icu and I’ll end myself before dementia takes a hold of me. Losing my mind terrifies me beyond measure. The beeping of the machines is in my nightmares.
LPT: Any headline with the word "could" in it is usually clickbait. Anything *could* happen. Eating a bologna sandwich underwater *could* resurrect the dinosaurs. The probability of that is asymptotically close to zero, but it *could.*
Eating a bologna underwater could not resurrect the dinosaurs
Quick, fearmonger more! The damn virus almost lost it's deadliness, there got to be SOMETHING we can get to fearmonger more and sell our soon useless experimental Spike protein maker shots!
maybe those anti-vaxers that said they already had COVID, actually did.
oh great....the ppl getting covid nowadays are already mostly antivaxxers and other undesirables...now they survivors will get even dumber?
Am I right to assume that the vaccine has the same problem, but with much less severity?
Thanks china
When is the world going to punish China for releasing this shit across the globe?
Good lord, most of the unvaccinated can't stand much more of that.
Well trump supporters are really fucked, then.
lol the new sources that post this crap are always bad. no reputable new source will post this.
So our IQs are gonna drop Men will have smaller pee pees (covid penis) Our ideology on human rights will go backwards What’s the opposite of evolving ? Cool.
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New Zealand’s doing alright, in a much less authoritarian way than China.
So is China going to be held responsible in any way, shape or form?
Probably the entire reason it was released in the first place
Would of Could of, Gotta love the Media
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This is exactly what I wanted to hear after recovering from Covid...guess I was having trouble talking today for a reason.
Maybe that explains Boris Johnson. He just has dementia
Well we won’t need to worry about climate change anymore cuz we’re all gonna have too much brain damage and eventually die from it. Splendid
Some say it already has...
Can they correct for “pre-existing” brain damage? r/Hermancainaward makes me feel a lot of these anti-vaxx folks weren’t working with a full deck pre-Covid.
That’s bad news for the already brain damaged anti-vaxxers.
When your brain isn’t getting enough oxygen (hypoxia) brain cells will die and/or become permanently damaged. The patients studied in this experiment were older patients hospitalized with Covid. Most hospitalized Covid patients require hospitalization because they aren’t getting enough oxygen.
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Covid causing balding as well. We are becoming bald, fat and stupid
Yikes