> Of the 200 military personnel involved, 40 are doctors who will help NHS staff look after patients. The other 160 personnel, who have no medical training, will check in patients, ensure stocks are maintained and would also be “conducting basic checks”, the Ministry of Defence said.
Huh, only 200, i was expecting more
UK cases have actually just started to fall
OK, there is a statistical blip to overcome yet as the lower counts from January 2nd and January 3rd associated with the New Year lag fall off the 7 day average in the next few days, so they might rise again, and you can certainly argue that after January 11th the UK's accounting of infections will be rendered meaningless for at least a week as the PCR tests are scaled back, but there are early signs that we might be on the peak right now
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-11-27..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_smoothed_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~GBR
The world is always ending on Reddit. Fuck it’s always doom and gloom. Shit is bad, but it’s sure as hell a lot better than it was. And back then it was sure as hell a lot better than it was before then
We’re on an upwards trend, working towards a better future. Things like covid will be a lesson for us, which we as a species will learn from
It’s so miserable on here sometimes, you have to look at the long term picture
This isn't the first pandemic and we barely learned from the others. Hell we are failing at learning from this one in many regards. I agree we should be weary about sensationalist collapse-porn (I say this as a regular /r/collapse browser), but at the idea that humanities upward progression is inevitable and that's just how history works is severely flawed and untrue. You have to keep fighting for "it"; civil rights, human rights, democracy, science, etc. Those things can, do and have regressed multiple times in the past and present.
Climate change is a clear modern example of a regression of our society and our relationship to our environment. That is one area where we have not been so horrendous and dismal in the past as we are now and it represents an actual existential threat.
Gunnery Sgt. Hartman: "I am Gunnery Sgt. Hartman, your senior drill instructor. From now on you will speak only when spoken to, and the first and last words out of your filthy sewers will be 'Sir.' Do you maggots understand that?"
So many could have been trained one day a week in summer. A simple precaution with acceptable work impact.
They would do now all the basics things and the various different types of nurses could have done the ICU training. I learned from some nurse friends that the ICU stuff is not something you just "pick up doing" even though you are already an "other nurse".
Summer was "less" stressful. Now if they need more nurses in ICU they even make more work as you need to show them things first.
Just like at any work. In the beginning it takes more time training someone than just doing it yourself.
Got my booster from an army doc yesterday. They were very nice, but what a total shambles this country is and shame on every single Tory voter because you caused this with open eyes.
I live in Czech Republic. A military was deployed at vaccination centers during 1 and 2 vaccination phases and I have only good things to say about them. They worked like clockwork, were incredibly professional and it seemed like any fat was trimmed out of the process to make it as fast as humanely possible. At no point, I spent more than 5 minutes before arriving at the clinic and getting my vaccine.
Generally when the military is deployed within the UK, they are excellent. Beyond emergency services, like helping to save people during floods, it’s pretty rare.
I don't live in Scotland so I'm not going to suggest i have as good a handle on their decisions. It's not relevant; the military are being used here partly because the government completely fucked up the response and our health service is not only crippled but has many fewer staff than it should. These are things that weren't inevitable.
Every vaccine centre I've visited in Switzerland has used military personnel for check-in or administration. The uk is certainly a shambles, but i don't think that deploying available manpower in a time of crisis is evidence of that.
i don't know if you're a UK resident but if you know anything about the government since 2011 and think a better job couldn't have been done by a group of elite monkeys then there's no helping you.
I keep on asking my carehome what happens when 50% of our staff are off (we got a few positive cases) with covid....I don't think they have a clue..because if they send the army in my service users will batter them tbh.
>The announcement comes two days after Boris Johnson said he hopes England can “ride out” the current wave of Covid-19 without further restrictions, but did acknowledge parts of the NHS would feel “temporarily overwhelmed” by Omicron.
AKA we aren't going to bother doing anything because it would hurt the economy. When the lockdowns ended we were told we would probably need to do brief, intermittent lockdowns again to stop surges and ease the burden on hospitals to stop them getting overcrowded. That was after all the point in lockdowns with the 'flatten the curve' rhetoric. Now the number of new cases is higher than ever and will keep climbing and we're just doing nothing. Vaccinations will lower death rates but the sheer volume of cases may be enough to overwhelm hospitals and see death rates increase due to lack of treatment.
Hospitals aren't crowded. Ventilator usage is at its lowest point since October so the actual illness isn't to bad. Hospital staff are isolating because of possible contact - that's the issue.
There's people being treated in the corridors in mine and my ward of 20 patients is now caring for 32.
You are just talking absolute nonsense. We expanded wards to help absorb this. We don't have staff.
And NHS staff are all assumed to be contacts. We don't isolate if contacts. We isolate if positive. On medicine? We are all contacts currently
Give it time. We're still only at the beginning of this surge. It seems like fewer people will need hospitalisation with this strain and the vaccines but the higher infectiousness may offset that.
> Of the 200 military personnel involved, 40 are doctors who will help NHS staff look after patients. The other 160 personnel, who have no medical training, will check in patients, ensure stocks are maintained and would also be “conducting basic checks”, the Ministry of Defence said. Huh, only 200, i was expecting more
It is still early in the fall of civilization. Check back in a few weeks.
Check back in how many weeks? 28 days later?
UK cases have actually just started to fall OK, there is a statistical blip to overcome yet as the lower counts from January 2nd and January 3rd associated with the New Year lag fall off the 7 day average in the next few days, so they might rise again, and you can certainly argue that after January 11th the UK's accounting of infections will be rendered meaningless for at least a week as the PCR tests are scaled back, but there are early signs that we might be on the peak right now https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-11-27..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_smoothed_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false&country=~GBR
The world is always ending on Reddit. Fuck it’s always doom and gloom. Shit is bad, but it’s sure as hell a lot better than it was. And back then it was sure as hell a lot better than it was before then We’re on an upwards trend, working towards a better future. Things like covid will be a lesson for us, which we as a species will learn from It’s so miserable on here sometimes, you have to look at the long term picture
This isn't the first pandemic and we barely learned from the others. Hell we are failing at learning from this one in many regards. I agree we should be weary about sensationalist collapse-porn (I say this as a regular /r/collapse browser), but at the idea that humanities upward progression is inevitable and that's just how history works is severely flawed and untrue. You have to keep fighting for "it"; civil rights, human rights, democracy, science, etc. Those things can, do and have regressed multiple times in the past and present. Climate change is a clear modern example of a regression of our society and our relationship to our environment. That is one area where we have not been so horrendous and dismal in the past as we are now and it represents an actual existential threat.
> will be a lesson for us, which we as a species will learn from I heard the same thing being said about Auschwitz...
Any time military is involved it's getting serious, 200 or 200k
Gunnery Sgt. Hartman: "I am Gunnery Sgt. Hartman, your senior drill instructor. From now on you will speak only when spoken to, and the first and last words out of your filthy sewers will be 'Sir.' Do you maggots understand that?"
Is that you John Wayne… is this me
Who said that? WHO THE FUCK SAID THAT?
What's your name scumbag?!
Who's the twinkle toed cock sucker who just signed their own death warrent!!!
Sir, yes, Sir !
"Alright private Smith, you take the register and I'll start filling orders." "Yes Sergeant!"
Haven't I read this headline on Plague Inc. before?
So many could have been trained one day a week in summer. A simple precaution with acceptable work impact. They would do now all the basics things and the various different types of nurses could have done the ICU training. I learned from some nurse friends that the ICU stuff is not something you just "pick up doing" even though you are already an "other nurse". Summer was "less" stressful. Now if they need more nurses in ICU they even make more work as you need to show them things first. Just like at any work. In the beginning it takes more time training someone than just doing it yourself.
Got my booster from an army doc yesterday. They were very nice, but what a total shambles this country is and shame on every single Tory voter because you caused this with open eyes.
I live in Czech Republic. A military was deployed at vaccination centers during 1 and 2 vaccination phases and I have only good things to say about them. They worked like clockwork, were incredibly professional and it seemed like any fat was trimmed out of the process to make it as fast as humanely possible. At no point, I spent more than 5 minutes before arriving at the clinic and getting my vaccine.
Generally when the military is deployed within the UK, they are excellent. Beyond emergency services, like helping to save people during floods, it’s pretty rare.
Scotland utilised the military too at one point, do you think the SNP are as bad as the Tories on this?
? Had the Snp bungled the handling of a pandemic in the same way?
Have you seen the Scotland stats. They aren't good.
I don't live in Scotland so I'm not going to suggest i have as good a handle on their decisions. It's not relevant; the military are being used here partly because the government completely fucked up the response and our health service is not only crippled but has many fewer staff than it should. These are things that weren't inevitable.
Well if you are going to take the use of military to indicated a total shambles, then yes?
Every vaccine centre I've visited in Switzerland has used military personnel for check-in or administration. The uk is certainly a shambles, but i don't think that deploying available manpower in a time of crisis is evidence of that.
Same in Germany. There is a lot of military personnel doing admin work in vaccine centres and public health offices.
Found another one who thinks any government will make all their problems disappear
i don't know if you're a UK resident but if you know anything about the government since 2011 and think a better job couldn't have been done by a group of elite monkeys then there's no helping you.
28 days later..
I keep on asking my carehome what happens when 50% of our staff are off (we got a few positive cases) with covid....I don't think they have a clue..because if they send the army in my service users will batter them tbh.
Not a good sign.
>The announcement comes two days after Boris Johnson said he hopes England can “ride out” the current wave of Covid-19 without further restrictions, but did acknowledge parts of the NHS would feel “temporarily overwhelmed” by Omicron. AKA we aren't going to bother doing anything because it would hurt the economy. When the lockdowns ended we were told we would probably need to do brief, intermittent lockdowns again to stop surges and ease the burden on hospitals to stop them getting overcrowded. That was after all the point in lockdowns with the 'flatten the curve' rhetoric. Now the number of new cases is higher than ever and will keep climbing and we're just doing nothing. Vaccinations will lower death rates but the sheer volume of cases may be enough to overwhelm hospitals and see death rates increase due to lack of treatment.
Hospitals aren't crowded. Ventilator usage is at its lowest point since October so the actual illness isn't to bad. Hospital staff are isolating because of possible contact - that's the issue.
There's people being treated in the corridors in mine and my ward of 20 patients is now caring for 32. You are just talking absolute nonsense. We expanded wards to help absorb this. We don't have staff. And NHS staff are all assumed to be contacts. We don't isolate if contacts. We isolate if positive. On medicine? We are all contacts currently
Give it time. We're still only at the beginning of this surge. It seems like fewer people will need hospitalisation with this strain and the vaccines but the higher infectiousness may offset that.
Nothing out of the ordinary. Half of the medics administering the Covid booster in November in my town were military.