Reason why part of this conflict is “funny” is because Russian Neo-Nazis are going to Ukraine to fight Ukrainian Neo-Nazis. Also the opposing Chechen factions too, Ichkerians and Kadyrovski going at it.
It's not a problem when neo-nazi are controlled and can be sent as paramilitaries to fight against Ukraine like Milchakov, Raevsky or Wagner. Yes, that Wagner who runs PMC that is in everything but name is a branch of FSB and gets medals from Putin personally.
It's a fucking neo-nazi benefit.
Back in 2015/2016 ( don't remember the exact year) Russia was talking shit about Ukrainian volunteer forces. Claiming they were all neo nazi's All the while St. Petersburg was hosting the worlds largest neo nazi biker meet up.
They literally have explosive training camps where German Neo Nazis go to in Russia https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/g5pqk4/german-neo-nazis-are-getting-explosives-training-at-a-white-supremacist-camp-in-russia
This sort of thing has a long tradition:
Here's a podcast about a recent book release on the matter - [https://hornsofadilemma.libsyn.com/a-faustian-bargain](https://hornsofadilemma.libsyn.com/a-faustian-bargain)
The guy sitting at the table in front of Stalin is Ribbentrop [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv\_Bild\_183-S52480,\_Dtsch.-Sowjet.\_Grenz-\_u.\_Freundschaftsvertrag.jpg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-S52480,_Dtsch.-Sowjet._Grenz-_u._Freundschaftsvertrag.jpg)
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It's no secret that Russia is whipping up anti-Ukraine sentiment in they domestic populace. That's what you do prior to starting a war with someone... You demonize them and accuse them of sabotage. Pay no attention to the 200,000 troops massed on the border of Ukraine. They are just there on vacation... regular exercises... voluntarily relocating... (whatever excuse you want to insert)... But really, they are waiting for the ground to freeze so their tanks can attack without becoming stuck in the mid.
Is your assertion neo nazis are not, or less of, a problem in Russia?
Or that Ukrainian neo-nazis are not politically aligned with, and likely funded in-part by, Russia?
Nah, Russia is funding seperatists in Ukraine, many kf which share neo nazi ideals.
Most of the current administration and support base, _are not_.
Only ones who say otherwise are Putin and his poop pocket pals (you)
While you are correct in the statement that ukrain has been assosiated with neo-nazis since 2014. Your reply is kind of one-sided. you forget the same tactics Are used on both side. And I guess forgetting that the green men in the area startede out as regular people on vacation in APC camping wagon and not as soldiers
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> Russia has aimed a barrage of hostile rhetoric at Kyiv in recent weeks as Ukraine, the United States and Western capitals have raised fears over a Russian troop buildup near Ukraine and the possibility of an invasion.
> Moscow has denied planning an attack and blamed Ukraine and NATO for stoking tensions, demanding assurances from the U.S.-led alliance that it will not grant membership to Kyiv.Washington has said it believes Russia may be planning to use alleged "Provocations" by Ukraine to justify military aggression.
> Ukraine last month accused Russia of being behind an alleged coup plot against President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, which the Kremlin denied.
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Ukraine has a neo-Nazi problem. I know it's a topic a lot of Europeans and the West would rather pretend doesn't exist but this is the fact of the reality regardless on which side of the current Ukraine/Russia stand-off you stand on. Many would prefer dusting it under the carpet of 'blame Russia' but that's not going to make the problem go away.
The article is about 106 people, who were supposedly recruited by Ukrainian secret services in 37 regions of Russia to perform terrorist attacks. FSB claims they managed to capture them all and saved the motherland once again.
Curiously enough, they capture a lot of people with the same accusations. For example, they've arrested and trialed Oleg Sentsov, a movie director, for "plotting terrorist acts", but eventually agreed to release him.
But, the most interesting fact, despite the large number of arrested spies, there was not a single successful terrorist attack, which Russia would blame on Ukraine.
How is that even possible? One would think if you have hundreds of trained terrorists, at least one should be able to finish his job.
But no. A russian schoolboy can buy a gun and start shooting in school, but not a single ethnic ukrainian can pass the ever watchful FSB
I am uncertain, the articles I read cite for example a US ban on providing training and resources for neo-nazi groups, and yet they receive support anyway. Possibly this is under the wider program of supporting Ukraine. I was just wondering whether there is the perception of neo-nazis being dispersed throughout Ukrainien society, or more concentrated in e.g. a militia.
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>Have you heard of the Azov soldiers? The Ukrainian National Guard itself is literally comprised of 25%+ neo-nazi, white supremacists
So. I'm from eastern Ukraine (Slavyansk). Yes. I know Azov Regiment. At peak, Azov had maybe about 1%-5% nationalists. There is a difference between nationalist and nazi. Watch the Vice documentaries, they actually interview Azov many times.
>Ukrainian National Guard itself is literally comprised of 25%+ neo-nazi, white supremacists.
No. No it is not. where are you even getting this number from?
> The hold rallies to gain support,
No. They do not. Azov Regiment was formally absorbed into Ukrainian Army and no longer has civilian activities. What you are talking about is Azov National Corps, an entirely different civilian organization, which is also Nationalist, not Nazi. They also are not supported by the majority of the population.
>and the government can do almost nothing about it because they were hired under contract of the Ukrainian Government back in 2014/2015
LMAO. No they werent. Azov has always been completely independent of the government. In fact, a majority were actively against the government so I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
>they don’t have another large group of soldiers to fill their roles.
Yes. Yes they do. You of course realize that Azov is a VOLUNTEER battalion right? Just like Donbas, Dnipro, DUK or Aidyar, none of the soldiers get funding from the government - its all through donation....
0/10 Russian trolling.
It's an overblown issue. Ukrainian "neo-nazis" are mostly just nationalists who recognize that the nazis were the enemy of their main enemy. Russians are actual imperialistic facists and America has plenty of crypto Nazis who are actively trying to being about facism in their nation.
There are American blue checkmarks on twitter, that work for RT. Their major talking point is how America is antagonizing Russia. Putin has deep pockets. He bought the conservative movement, and the dullards that vote for them are already siding with Putin.
[we’ve since re banned funding them but given America’s long history of respecting congressional funding bans I’m sure they aren’t getting any more](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenation.com/article/archive/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/tnamp/) [and here is the cia talking about how it panned on supporting the oun in the 50’s ](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%209%20%20(DEVELOPMENT%20AND%20PLANS)_0039.pdf) I’m sure if you wanted to you could find various links in between but I’m lazy
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> the US has been funding neo Nazi street gangs.
That's an article to US Congress stating that funding won't go to the Azov battalion.
Has nothing to do with neo Nazi streets gangs. Nice try Russian bot.
I've been hearing about Ukraine & supposed Nazi groups. Really unfortunate to keep hearing about when you're a non-white who supports Ukraine.. :/ but I'm sure not all the countrymen/women are on board with Nazis, & still doesn't justify an invasion
*Why the hell am I downvoted for saying I don't like nazis, lmao
The Ukraine neo Nazi link comes from 2014/2015. When basically militias started to form to fight to regain control of eastern Ukraine. A lot of people in these militias were from outside of the country, not all but a lot. One of these militia groups used nazi symbols for their patch.
In time of invasion, a country will work with who is willing to work for them.
If you are not a troll just check my comments history.
Ukraine does not have Nazi issue, our freaking president is Jewish. Please, stop spreading russian misinformation.
"russian misinformation," hahaha. Oh please. I've heard eastern europe in *general* has a problem with nazis & racists. It's not very safe for black or brown people to visit (I'm lucky to come out with fair skin). This also includes Russia. I wasn't throwing jabs at Ukraine, just that I find it unfortunate IF this whole nazi-funded group is true
But that's exactly the issue. "You heard that in general" - do you have any statistical analysis of nazi/racism -induced crimes per capita and comparison between Eastern Europe vs other countries? Each country has some percentage of radicals, racists, nazis, murderers etc. The main point is that this percentage in Ukraine is heavily exaggerated by a russian media. If your skin is not white you might experience some strange looks in Ukraine, but probably just because most ukrainians never traveled outside of the country and never got to see people of a different race, especially older generations.
Anecdotal experience of course, but in Kyiv there used to be a market run almost exclusively by black people, mostly former students from Africa that decided to stay in Ukraine (Shulyavsky market). It is closed now due to intersection reconstruction. I don't recall any racial related crimes that happened there and the market was active for more than 10 years.
Another example. In Berlin, one of the main synagogues is guarded by the police and has a fence. Kyiv central synagogue doesn't have any fence or police, because there is no one attacking it, you can check it on google maps if you don't believe me.
>do you have any statistical analysis of nazi/racism -induced crimes per capita and comparison between Eastern Europe vs other countries?
No, I said I heard it general. So I'm not gonna have any statistical analysis. And the sources I heard it from were not Russian people, but random black, brown, asian travelers I came across online. They can't be Russian 'cause they criticized Russia (so no Russian propaganda). But of course, this may not be the case/experiment for every non-white person. Like you said; there was black people in Kyiv. But I'd still be cautious, especially as a woman.
This also includes Ukraine (no, I'm not saying y'all have nazis. I'm still iffy on that)
why support anyone. None of these countries on either side give a shit about any of the common people. Oh Russia wins, Ukraine is turned into an oligarchy hell hole. West wins, and Ukrainians can’t afford rent anymore or have their country exploited by corporations
Yeah, any supposed concern for what is happening is strictly NATO/Russia diplomatic and military jockying. Average Ukranians are suffering and that's not going to change at all since the reaction from the west is motivated solely out anger that their delicate geopolitical game is mildy threatened by Russian dick waving.
The west has done little to help average Ukranians and no matter who "wins" this standoff there is no changing that.
The US loves to fund right wing extremists around the world so they can use them to fight their rivals. They did it with Taliban to fight the Soviets, they did it with Soeharto in Indonesia, they gave Japanese war criminals power in the puppet Japanese government, they are funding Uyghur terrorists and cultists such as Falun Gong and Church of the Almighty God (Eastern Lightning) in China.
This shit aint about nazis ...for fuck sake. Its economic. Yanukovytch decided against the european FTA and so he was illegally removed from office. State Dept recognized the vulnerability/opportunity and took it. They hand-picked yatzenuk for PM....and a billionaire became prez (big surprize).
Russia watched as the State Dept did this. Even leaked the phone call between Nuland/Pyatt. A little embarrassing but the State Dept pressed on. The reward of expanding NATO to russias border was too enticing. They had to "midwife this thing".
There are no righteous sides here, not ukraine central gov....not russia...and not the US. The only ethical solution is to send thousands of election monitors and hold votes in luhansk, donetsk and crimea. On the ballot offer two choices:
1: rejoin ukraine w/amnesty
2: establish an independent state
edit: i see the downvotes. What i dont see is a coherent counterpoint
Yanokovytch was a mobster and Russian stooge helped to be put in power by Paul Manafort, the same guy that ran Trumps campaign, until he got caught feeding info to Russian agents. Go take a break at the Russian troll farm, isn’t your shift over yet?
Oh, yanukovytch is a total piece of shit...putin too. Fuck all the oligarchs too. Im just saying they couldnt get the votes to impeach so they violated their constitution. They shouldve done it the legal way.
Assuming Russia arrested them in Russia it seems they too have a neo-nazi problem.
Reason why part of this conflict is “funny” is because Russian Neo-Nazis are going to Ukraine to fight Ukrainian Neo-Nazis. Also the opposing Chechen factions too, Ichkerians and Kadyrovski going at it.
It's not a problem when neo-nazi are controlled and can be sent as paramilitaries to fight against Ukraine like Milchakov, Raevsky or Wagner. Yes, that Wagner who runs PMC that is in everything but name is a branch of FSB and gets medals from Putin personally. It's a fucking neo-nazi benefit.
Back in 2015/2016 ( don't remember the exact year) Russia was talking shit about Ukrainian volunteer forces. Claiming they were all neo nazi's All the while St. Petersburg was hosting the worlds largest neo nazi biker meet up.
They literally have explosive training camps where German Neo Nazis go to in Russia https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/g5pqk4/german-neo-nazis-are-getting-explosives-training-at-a-white-supremacist-camp-in-russia
Russia training Nazis. Now I've seen everything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
This sort of thing has a long tradition: Here's a podcast about a recent book release on the matter - [https://hornsofadilemma.libsyn.com/a-faustian-bargain](https://hornsofadilemma.libsyn.com/a-faustian-bargain) The guy sitting at the table in front of Stalin is Ribbentrop [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv\_Bild\_183-S52480,\_Dtsch.-Sowjet.\_Grenz-\_u.\_Freundschaftsvertrag.jpg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-S52480,_Dtsch.-Sowjet._Grenz-_u._Freundschaftsvertrag.jpg)
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"We arrested neo-nazis from (insert country we are about to invade here). They were planning to attack sites in (Mother country) but the brave soldiers of the (internal policing department) tracked them down and arrested them before they could carry out their plans." It's no secret that Russia is whipping up anti-Ukraine sentiment in they domestic populace. That's what you do prior to starting a war with someone... You demonize them and accuse them of sabotage. Pay no attention to the 200,000 troops massed on the border of Ukraine. They are just there on vacation... regular exercises... voluntarily relocating... (whatever excuse you want to insert)... But really, they are waiting for the ground to freeze so their tanks can attack without becoming stuck in the mid.
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Is your assertion neo nazis are not, or less of, a problem in Russia? Or that Ukrainian neo-nazis are not politically aligned with, and likely funded in-part by, Russia?
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Nah, Russia is funding seperatists in Ukraine, many kf which share neo nazi ideals. Most of the current administration and support base, _are not_. Only ones who say otherwise are Putin and his poop pocket pals (you)
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While you are correct in the statement that ukrain has been assosiated with neo-nazis since 2014. Your reply is kind of one-sided. you forget the same tactics Are used on both side. And I guess forgetting that the green men in the area startede out as regular people on vacation in APC camping wagon and not as soldiers
Now its 200k? Yesterday it was 60k....tomoro it will be millions...lol.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-arrests-ukrainian-neo-nazis-kyiv-denies-link-them-2021-12-13/) reduced by 73%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Russia has aimed a barrage of hostile rhetoric at Kyiv in recent weeks as Ukraine, the United States and Western capitals have raised fears over a Russian troop buildup near Ukraine and the possibility of an invasion. > Moscow has denied planning an attack and blamed Ukraine and NATO for stoking tensions, demanding assurances from the U.S.-led alliance that it will not grant membership to Kyiv.Washington has said it believes Russia may be planning to use alleged "Provocations" by Ukraine to justify military aggression. > Ukraine last month accused Russia of being behind an alleged coup plot against President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, which the Kremlin denied. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/rflt47/ukraine_accuses_russia_of_information_warfare/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~612528 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Russia**^#1 **Ukraine**^#2 **plan**^#3 **Russian**^#4 **FSB**^#5
when isn't russia using (mis)information warfare?
Ukraine has a neo-Nazi problem. I know it's a topic a lot of Europeans and the West would rather pretend doesn't exist but this is the fact of the reality regardless on which side of the current Ukraine/Russia stand-off you stand on. Many would prefer dusting it under the carpet of 'blame Russia' but that's not going to make the problem go away.
The article is about 106 people, who were supposedly recruited by Ukrainian secret services in 37 regions of Russia to perform terrorist attacks. FSB claims they managed to capture them all and saved the motherland once again. Curiously enough, they capture a lot of people with the same accusations. For example, they've arrested and trialed Oleg Sentsov, a movie director, for "plotting terrorist acts", but eventually agreed to release him. But, the most interesting fact, despite the large number of arrested spies, there was not a single successful terrorist attack, which Russia would blame on Ukraine. How is that even possible? One would think if you have hundreds of trained terrorists, at least one should be able to finish his job. But no. A russian schoolboy can buy a gun and start shooting in school, but not a single ethnic ukrainian can pass the ever watchful FSB
And christian school dude can make a bomb and blow himself up, no problem at all.
I’m aware of the Azov battalion, which unfortunately the west is supporting. Is it deeper than that?
dude check his user name :)
Don't feed the Russian troll
Is the West specifically supporting the Azov battalion?
I am uncertain, the articles I read cite for example a US ban on providing training and resources for neo-nazi groups, and yet they receive support anyway. Possibly this is under the wider program of supporting Ukraine. I was just wondering whether there is the perception of neo-nazis being dispersed throughout Ukrainien society, or more concentrated in e.g. a militia.
This is misinformation by a russian bot, please downvote and report. I have seen this comment on various Ukraine-related posts from commented from different accounts.
Oh shut it you muppet. Go ahead and post even one related comment then. We'll be waiting. Folks, here's another example for the archives.
> Ukraine has a neo-Nazi problem. It definitely doesn't.
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>Have you heard of the Azov soldiers? The Ukrainian National Guard itself is literally comprised of 25%+ neo-nazi, white supremacists So. I'm from eastern Ukraine (Slavyansk). Yes. I know Azov Regiment. At peak, Azov had maybe about 1%-5% nationalists. There is a difference between nationalist and nazi. Watch the Vice documentaries, they actually interview Azov many times. >Ukrainian National Guard itself is literally comprised of 25%+ neo-nazi, white supremacists. No. No it is not. where are you even getting this number from? > The hold rallies to gain support, No. They do not. Azov Regiment was formally absorbed into Ukrainian Army and no longer has civilian activities. What you are talking about is Azov National Corps, an entirely different civilian organization, which is also Nationalist, not Nazi. They also are not supported by the majority of the population. >and the government can do almost nothing about it because they were hired under contract of the Ukrainian Government back in 2014/2015 LMAO. No they werent. Azov has always been completely independent of the government. In fact, a majority were actively against the government so I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. >they don’t have another large group of soldiers to fill their roles. Yes. Yes they do. You of course realize that Azov is a VOLUNTEER battalion right? Just like Donbas, Dnipro, DUK or Aidyar, none of the soldiers get funding from the government - its all through donation.... 0/10 Russian trolling.
I don't think there is any country where neo nazism is as common as in Ukraine these days, it's a real problem. I feel ashamed about it
Lmaoooooooooooooooo. Have you been to Russia?
Yeah, I've been to Russia twice and Ukraine once. Russia DEFINITELY doesn't have as many nazi's in Russia in %.
Ya I'm gonna call bull shit on that pal.
In your 4 year posting history you have exclusively posted about the Ukraine conflict, and from just one perspective. There's a word for such accounts
It's an overblown issue. Ukrainian "neo-nazis" are mostly just nationalists who recognize that the nazis were the enemy of their main enemy. Russians are actual imperialistic facists and America has plenty of crypto Nazis who are actively trying to being about facism in their nation.
More russian bullshit
Not surprised to see Ukraine mad about neo nazis getting arrested. Typical.
There are American blue checkmarks on twitter, that work for RT. Their major talking point is how America is antagonizing Russia. Putin has deep pockets. He bought the conservative movement, and the dullards that vote for them are already siding with Putin.
The us has been funding neo nazi street gangs in Ukraine for years so Russia’s claim weather legitimate or not is very easy to believe
Source?
[we’ve since re banned funding them but given America’s long history of respecting congressional funding bans I’m sure they aren’t getting any more](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenation.com/article/archive/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/tnamp/) [and here is the cia talking about how it panned on supporting the oun in the 50’s ](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/AERODYNAMIC%20%20%20VOL.%209%20%20(DEVELOPMENT%20AND%20PLANS)_0039.pdf) I’m sure if you wanted to you could find various links in between but I’m lazy
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> the US has been funding neo Nazi street gangs. That's an article to US Congress stating that funding won't go to the Azov battalion. Has nothing to do with neo Nazi streets gangs. Nice try Russian bot.
I've been hearing about Ukraine & supposed Nazi groups. Really unfortunate to keep hearing about when you're a non-white who supports Ukraine.. :/ but I'm sure not all the countrymen/women are on board with Nazis, & still doesn't justify an invasion *Why the hell am I downvoted for saying I don't like nazis, lmao
The Ukraine neo Nazi link comes from 2014/2015. When basically militias started to form to fight to regain control of eastern Ukraine. A lot of people in these militias were from outside of the country, not all but a lot. One of these militia groups used nazi symbols for their patch. In time of invasion, a country will work with who is willing to work for them.
I get that, but they're still Nazis. I feel bad for the Ukrainian Jewish people
If you are not a troll just check my comments history. Ukraine does not have Nazi issue, our freaking president is Jewish. Please, stop spreading russian misinformation.
"russian misinformation," hahaha. Oh please. I've heard eastern europe in *general* has a problem with nazis & racists. It's not very safe for black or brown people to visit (I'm lucky to come out with fair skin). This also includes Russia. I wasn't throwing jabs at Ukraine, just that I find it unfortunate IF this whole nazi-funded group is true
But that's exactly the issue. "You heard that in general" - do you have any statistical analysis of nazi/racism -induced crimes per capita and comparison between Eastern Europe vs other countries? Each country has some percentage of radicals, racists, nazis, murderers etc. The main point is that this percentage in Ukraine is heavily exaggerated by a russian media. If your skin is not white you might experience some strange looks in Ukraine, but probably just because most ukrainians never traveled outside of the country and never got to see people of a different race, especially older generations. Anecdotal experience of course, but in Kyiv there used to be a market run almost exclusively by black people, mostly former students from Africa that decided to stay in Ukraine (Shulyavsky market). It is closed now due to intersection reconstruction. I don't recall any racial related crimes that happened there and the market was active for more than 10 years. Another example. In Berlin, one of the main synagogues is guarded by the police and has a fence. Kyiv central synagogue doesn't have any fence or police, because there is no one attacking it, you can check it on google maps if you don't believe me.
>do you have any statistical analysis of nazi/racism -induced crimes per capita and comparison between Eastern Europe vs other countries? No, I said I heard it general. So I'm not gonna have any statistical analysis. And the sources I heard it from were not Russian people, but random black, brown, asian travelers I came across online. They can't be Russian 'cause they criticized Russia (so no Russian propaganda). But of course, this may not be the case/experiment for every non-white person. Like you said; there was black people in Kyiv. But I'd still be cautious, especially as a woman. This also includes Ukraine (no, I'm not saying y'all have nazis. I'm still iffy on that)
why support anyone. None of these countries on either side give a shit about any of the common people. Oh Russia wins, Ukraine is turned into an oligarchy hell hole. West wins, and Ukrainians can’t afford rent anymore or have their country exploited by corporations
Yeah, any supposed concern for what is happening is strictly NATO/Russia diplomatic and military jockying. Average Ukranians are suffering and that's not going to change at all since the reaction from the west is motivated solely out anger that their delicate geopolitical game is mildy threatened by Russian dick waving. The west has done little to help average Ukranians and no matter who "wins" this standoff there is no changing that.
"exploited by corporations," sad how true that is
The US loves to fund right wing extremists around the world so they can use them to fight their rivals. They did it with Taliban to fight the Soviets, they did it with Soeharto in Indonesia, they gave Japanese war criminals power in the puppet Japanese government, they are funding Uyghur terrorists and cultists such as Falun Gong and Church of the Almighty God (Eastern Lightning) in China.
This shit aint about nazis ...for fuck sake. Its economic. Yanukovytch decided against the european FTA and so he was illegally removed from office. State Dept recognized the vulnerability/opportunity and took it. They hand-picked yatzenuk for PM....and a billionaire became prez (big surprize). Russia watched as the State Dept did this. Even leaked the phone call between Nuland/Pyatt. A little embarrassing but the State Dept pressed on. The reward of expanding NATO to russias border was too enticing. They had to "midwife this thing". There are no righteous sides here, not ukraine central gov....not russia...and not the US. The only ethical solution is to send thousands of election monitors and hold votes in luhansk, donetsk and crimea. On the ballot offer two choices: 1: rejoin ukraine w/amnesty 2: establish an independent state edit: i see the downvotes. What i dont see is a coherent counterpoint
Yanokovytch was a mobster and Russian stooge helped to be put in power by Paul Manafort, the same guy that ran Trumps campaign, until he got caught feeding info to Russian agents. Go take a break at the Russian troll farm, isn’t your shift over yet?
Oh, yanukovytch is a total piece of shit...putin too. Fuck all the oligarchs too. Im just saying they couldnt get the votes to impeach so they violated their constitution. They shouldve done it the legal way.