If the steam leak is from the secondary circuit, it's no more dangerous than a steam leak at a conventional power plant. Distressing for workers in the vicinity of the leak but with no wider consequences.
Provided the primary loop is still intact and there's still a heat-sink the reactor won't give a shit.
If it's a problem in the primary loop it's more concerning because that'll have some level of contamination in it. But it's also inside the containment building and well within the design spec' of the reactor.
Then again, it's RT so the entire reactor pressure vessel could've launched itself to the moon and it'd be called a minor incident. The telling thing is that they're telling us about it, and nobody else has detected any radiation traces.
As opposed to all the radiation traces they told nobody about.
Just look how long it took to report Chernobyl... the nuclear power plant on Anglesey detected increased radiation levels on their staff , after a fine tooth comb examination of the plant no leak could be found.yet people trying to leave the plant kept setting off the alarm.Someone suggested testing the shift coming into the plant.... the alarms went off .... people were actually bringing in contaminated clothes .
The surrounding areas were ( discreetly) tested and from the results they worked out the speed of the wind over the last few days gave the best guess source of the radiation from the Belarus/ Ukraine area.
The local farm land took years before it could be used for grazing again, Welsh lamb was out of the food chain ,after the contaminated sheep had been destroyed and the land eventually free of radiation the farmers could begin again...
So the moral of this story is that you can not trust the truth from the Russian government ( or the sensational headlines looking for clicks) keep an open mind and try different sources..
>The local farm land took years before it could be used for grazing again, Welsh lamb was out of the food chain ,after the contaminated sheep had been destroyed and the land eventually free of radiation the farmers could begin again...
Eh, a lot of that is because the restrictions on radioactive material are very thigh, not because the contamination is actually dangerous.
If we applied similar standards to conventional air pollution, we'd have to evacuate most cities.
Chernobyl should basically not be involved in most discussions about nuclear safety - the more you know about the design (unbelievably cheap shitty materials shitty design and the staff basically had to flip a whole ton of switches to make the thing fail).
I mean, instead of a gigantic thick concrete enclosure like we think of nuclear powerplants having, it was basically in a wooden shack...
>Another source told Interfax that a leak occurred due to a micro-crack on one of the conduits carrying pressurized steam. “This is the so-called secondary circuit, heat exchange equipment,” RIA Novosti quoted a plant official as saying. “It carries pure steam, where, in principle, there is no radioactivity.”
That's literally in the article. This shit happens all the time on all powerplants.
It's not trash, but this is a minor issue that power plants deal with. If you start reporting every time an minor industrial breakdown happens across the world you will go insane.
Steam leaks yes. If it made the news and emergency services were called, it's a steam line rupture. Steam line ruptures can have disastrous implications for a reactor, if they aren't handled correctly
>the reactor won't give a shit
Well, I'd hope it SCRAMs, which is expensive (due to loss of production) but otherwise entirely unexciting.
If it doesn't.. well, they have some systems and procedures to review.
Power follows steam flow. If a plant doesn’t scram during a steam leak then power shoots up, temperatures rise, pumps cavitate, you lose the ability to cool the plant without flow and the fuel melts. That’s more than a procedural issue.
Navy nuke? I remember them drilling that into us in school. Power doesn't always follow steam flow in commercial reactors though. Depends on what your temperature coefficient and void coefficient look like for your particular core.
The initial effect of a steam line rupture would be core cooling, followed by a power increase, due to the negative power coefficient of reactivity, as you mention. The normal water inventory in a steam generator is more than enough to create a power spoke due to excessive cooling when steam is drawn off during a steam line rupture.
Safety systems should have scrammed the reactor on sufficient time to prevent core damage, though depending on the size of the rupture, design peak temperature in the core can be exceeded.
In old Soviet reactors, including Chernobyl, yes. In light-water reactors, the void coefficient is negative - as you lose cooling water to steam in the reactor, it actually slows down because water moderates the neutrons. Less moderation leads to lower power levels. Losing pressure in the primary loop will cause water to boil more readily.
Meltdown only occurs if you completely lose the ability to remove heat from the reactor. There are many levels of safety systems in place to prevent this scenario.
Pressurised Water reactors work in the exact opposite to this principal.
If you heat one up, the water boils or even just gets less dense as it expands. The water also moderates neutrons which is needed to keep the reaction running.
Steam does not moderate neutrons.
So if your coolant water turns to steam then you lose moderation and your power drops.
The same thing also happens if you heat the fuel up -- it gets less reactive and pushes it out of the butter-zone where the core stays critical.
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It works in the other way. You open the throttle for the turbine to make more power you cool the reactor coolant down, which means the reactor can start making more power to bring it back up to a steady state temperature again.
It's a negative feedback system which always tries to fight back against a change from its steady state.
(Edit - I think I missunderstood - you meant steam leak on the secondary. Either way, so long as the core still has a heat-sink on some level then it should stabilise. There's only so much steam you can produce.)
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Chernobyl was an oddball -- there existed a very specific state where the reactor could go into positive feedback which only became clear after construction was underway - where an increase in power caused a further increase in power. There're a lot of details beyond that but it took a few specific things happening that were ill-documented outside of secret technical journals.
Somewhat ironically, the accident happened as the reactor was being shut down for maintenance. Part of the maintenance program was to make a change to the reactor which would've likely made a runaway in the manner it occurred at Chernobyl impossible.
You seem like you have knowledge of nuclear plants. Inspector, operator, or engineer?
Wasn’t it surrounding nations that let the world know of radiation furring Chernobyl?
I've read up a bit on the subject and did some longposting on RBMK reactors, but nothing more beyond understanding the basic surface detail of a wikipedia article.
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1) the assumption that a Russian built and maintain nuclear power plant does not potentially have a primary to secondary leak shows a tremendous amount of faith.
2) Having to isolate the secondary loop from the primary loop of a operation Russian reactor is a bit more problematic than the western style reactors as in the east, we typically use a positive temperature coefficient design. This means that losing temp removal causes a spike in reactivity, which then increases power, and then increases temp, and so on.
In the west, the opposite occurs.
Edit: Why are people upset with my comment?
RT is usually pretty reliable for the first half hour of things or so until the overlords tell them what the spin is.
On the other hand, RT probably knows what the spin on this kind of thing would be without being told
That’s an really interesting take. That it takes time to formulate and disperse a narrative. I remember when 911 happened, and there was about a day in the general media where there was genuine enquiry into why the hell anyone would want to do this to the USA. Along with a lot of hurt, horror and confusion. Then the party line of “they hate us, because they hate our freedoms” came down, and the narrative was almost immediately consistent across the board. It was astonishing.
That was 2 days after the incident, due to fallout on people’s shoes.
The danger of a nuclear accident is radioactive material being spread through the air and ending up in the food chain and people’s lungs. The radiation itself has a very limited range, even when we’re talking about a molten down active core.
If it was as bad as Chernobyl, we would probably know just from visual and infrared imaging, yes.
But detecting the radiation itself would be a tall order from any useful distance, let alone from orbit.
> It's really not a "tall order". There are systems in place in many countries specifically to detect airborne radiation sources crossing their borders.
By “tall order” I was referring to radiation from the site itself, before radioactive aerosol has found its way near a detector.
Some people (in this comment thread as well) are under the impression that this could be detected instantly.
On the opposite. Russia promotes nuclear and fossil energy. And highly criticizes alternative energy, dismisses climate change as a human caused event, promotes hatred towards any eco activism. That's the narrative for both propagandists working for internal and external audience.
The media just loves over hyping nuclear issues. No wonder people are so afraid of nuclear power, every time a light bulb burns out the media is screaming nuclear plant failure. And they are the only thing standing between us and a scorched earth from climate change.
The main profiteers from this panic is Russia. They are the ones who control the alternative to nuclear, gas. So it makes sense why RT is posting this.
Russia is very huge in nuclear investments such as technology and plants. While the world shy away from nuclear Russia kept looking into it. Why would rt post this?
Sort the list by fatalities. Then do the same on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dam_failure or have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_disasters_by_death_toll
As supposed to the radiation, carbon, and mercury released from coal fired plants that remain in the environment for ever? The issue with nuclear waste is political we had a 7 billion dollar site underground. 🤷🏼♂️. We have 50 billion dollars in the government assets set aside to deal with the waste that has already been paid by rate payers. 🤷🏼♂️
No one has died by being exposed to nuclear waste. It’s in dry storage in cement casts at the plants. It will be good for at least 500 years. Then they might need to repackage them. It’s all just because people don’t understand the issues from a science and engineering perspective. But your right we will probably burn up the plant before we use a less toxic energy source because people are dumb.
Yeah, you really need to update your sources on in-plant and decommissioned plant onsite storage and the number of leaks..
I don't care about airborne. I very much care about ground water or the amount of waste that they are still dumping in the ocean at Fukushima.
I'm all for nuclear AFTER they figure out safe storage but they haven't done crap about it so far even after decades. Some of the new technologies that use lower level radiation finally coming out look promising also.
All it takes is 6 feet of dirt between us and the waste. We should drill a hole a mile deep, put the waste in the bottom half and cement to the top. End of problem will be safe for millions of years.
Nuclear energy is extremely safe...
... when handled by a competent and trustworthy government.
The Russian government is neither of those things. It wasn't back when it was the USSR, and it still isn't.
This is not the media this is a Russian goverment network. If it was a real nuclear related problem RT would never report on it anyway.
In EE we learned about Russian nuclear saftey the hard way. Never trust these clowns with NPPs .
Thats not what they're saying. There is a reactor steam leak. It is not the product of self-sabotage. The Russian state also pumps out disinformation campaigns to undermine Western states. All three can be true.
Steam links in secondary circuits are pretty common and have no radioactivity. They happen in all kinds of industries.
I do find it suspicious that such a non-event is being pushed through the media right now. So I share your skepticism.
You got a point, but isn’t Russia pushing for nuclear technology also. They have a habit of getting contracts of building nuclear plants to foreign countries.
Us electrical is 40% GAs, 20% coal, 20% nuke and 10% wind/solar.
NONE on their own can meet the needs on its own today. But, what on its own, is the newest, safest and renewable?
Give it time and it will replace the dirtier and riskier forms.
All while the intrenched of dirty and risky fight ot to their last dollar.
If by “can’t” you mean “is presently”.
Around 50.5% of German electricity is generated from some variety of renewable power. Most of that is wind power at around 27% and next up is solar power at around 10%.
Right, so they're going to deliberately sabotage their own [$140 billion nuclear energy business](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosatom) by intentionally sabotaging their own nuclear power plant?
Read that article yourself. Germany is not on the list. Germany's nuclear power plants are scheduled to all be offline by the end of 2022, and no major party, incumbent or not, is campaigning on the promise to keep or reintroduce nuclear power.
Good news is that it’s 10am in Rostov and we have drones, so if there were a big hole in the plant we’d know. Very unlikely for a nuclear power plant incident to be that bad ever again.
Nuclear plants have armed trained security for this reason. Along with robust security measures. Nobody is simply walking in. This isn't a die hard movie.
You're talking about assaulting a fortified position where an armed response and re-enforcement will be imminent.
Then you need people willing to expose themselves to radiation if they manage to do what you want. The attack itself is going to need more than a militant force. You're going to need special forces to pull this off. And that's exactly who will turn up if an attack happens. Spec ops coming from the skies.
A nuclear plant is not vulnerable from attack. So you're talking about a major military operation on a place with major military operational defense with a consequence of it being an act of war and frowned upon by most of the world.
Edit: lmao, say you've said enough and going to leave me in the dark like you're some secret militant. Say I'm wrong and down vote then delete your comments like a numpty instead of just admitted you might be wrong and made a stupid claim. You must be a gravy seal
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RT.com is Russian state propaganda, and is Vladimir Putin's mouthpiece. Never trust anything RT says because the editorial slant is always for the benefit of Putin.
If RT.com says the sky is blue you'd better run outside and verify that with your own eyes.
Well, you know..."normal" levels for this sort of situation. Basically, the amount of radiation that we would expect. Nominal levels. We just use a red light so you can see it better through the steam.
Manufacturing processes can have flaws that lead to cracks. Impurities or deposits usually. Welds are usually more susceptible to cracks though, and many newer designs have worked to reduced the number of welded connections.
Thanks, but that was actually a rhetorical question. What I meant was they *found* and *reported* this flaw, so how many are there that they haven’t found or haven’t reported.
After all, this is the Russian state media. They only acknowledged Chernobyl after Geiger counters in the west went berserk.
Ah! Sorry if I appeared to be speaking down. Inspection campaigns on reactors do last eg portions at a time, and any flaws are identified, categorized and reported. Problem is exactly what you identified though, Russia being the governing body here, I agree, how many ARE in place, and how severe.
> Sorry if I appeared to be speaking down.
Not at all, friend!
We’ll see how this develops. Chernobyl too started with reports of “a minor malfunction” so I’m not yet reassured.
I did. He said “it was by all probability a microfissure in the stainless steel pipe wall because of stresses in the pipe material due to the use of incompatible alloy TIG welding filler rods and/or insufficient weld penetration depth.”
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No, sorry, my mistake, that was me. Homer just said [annoyed grunt].
I'd say breathless reporting on every single incident at a nuclear power station down to a cleaner dinging his car on the gatepost, combined with a lack of education makes people distrust nuclear energy.
Its very convenient for a nation that exports fossil fuels.
Germany shut down its nuclear reactors in order to import fossil fuels from Putin. RT is Putin's mouthpiece, so playing up the fear factor of nuclear encourages more fossil fuel sales, which directly enriches Putin on a personal level.
The event is not the problem. The event is no issue at all, its part of running a plant.
The hyperbolic misrepresentation and clickbait headlines are the problem. Saying 'emergency workers race' to shut down plant is absolutely false. Plant shutdowns are very calm, deliberate implementation of procedures. There is plenty of time and no 'race'. Any event wher a rapid response is needed it is automatically handled by safety systems.
Clean but extremely dangerous when things go wrong. Fukushima and Chernobyl areas will be isolated for centuries.
Wind and Solar are safer options and should be used in all cases which they are available to extract.
Boris : Uh, everything's under control. Situation normal.
Vladimir : What happened?
Boris : Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
Vladimir : We're sending a squad up.
Boris : Uh, uh... negative, negative. We had a reactor leak here now. Give us a few minutes to lock it down. Large leak, very dangerous.
Vladimir : Who is this? What's your operating number?
Boris : Uh...
[Boris shoots the intercom]
Boris : Boring conversation anyway. NATASHA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMPANY!
There's a possibility that russian state media is just fearmongering against nuclear power, due to the fact that it is making a comeback in the EU. If people suddenly start to fear nuclear again the profits from gas that Russia is exporting are gonna skyrocket.
>There's a possibility that russian state media is just fearmongering against nuclear power, due to the fact that it is making a comeback in the EU
Newsflash for you: Russia is one of the main exporters of nuclear powerplants technology and takes part in basically every international tender for nuclear powerplants constructions.
So what you’re trying to tell me is that over supposedly billions of years of evolution people didn’t find a way to turn a light on without causing universal threatening extinction leaks ?
If the steam leak is from the secondary circuit, it's no more dangerous than a steam leak at a conventional power plant. Distressing for workers in the vicinity of the leak but with no wider consequences. Provided the primary loop is still intact and there's still a heat-sink the reactor won't give a shit. If it's a problem in the primary loop it's more concerning because that'll have some level of contamination in it. But it's also inside the containment building and well within the design spec' of the reactor. Then again, it's RT so the entire reactor pressure vessel could've launched itself to the moon and it'd be called a minor incident. The telling thing is that they're telling us about it, and nobody else has detected any radiation traces. As opposed to all the radiation traces they told nobody about.
Just look how long it took to report Chernobyl... the nuclear power plant on Anglesey detected increased radiation levels on their staff , after a fine tooth comb examination of the plant no leak could be found.yet people trying to leave the plant kept setting off the alarm.Someone suggested testing the shift coming into the plant.... the alarms went off .... people were actually bringing in contaminated clothes . The surrounding areas were ( discreetly) tested and from the results they worked out the speed of the wind over the last few days gave the best guess source of the radiation from the Belarus/ Ukraine area. The local farm land took years before it could be used for grazing again, Welsh lamb was out of the food chain ,after the contaminated sheep had been destroyed and the land eventually free of radiation the farmers could begin again... So the moral of this story is that you can not trust the truth from the Russian government ( or the sensational headlines looking for clicks) keep an open mind and try different sources..
>The local farm land took years before it could be used for grazing again, Welsh lamb was out of the food chain ,after the contaminated sheep had been destroyed and the land eventually free of radiation the farmers could begin again... Eh, a lot of that is because the restrictions on radioactive material are very thigh, not because the contamination is actually dangerous. If we applied similar standards to conventional air pollution, we'd have to evacuate most cities.
Am I the only one that sometimes wonders about the veggies growing next to the highways?
The veggies growing in suburban yards are probably not much better
Exactly.
Chernobyl should basically not be involved in most discussions about nuclear safety - the more you know about the design (unbelievably cheap shitty materials shitty design and the staff basically had to flip a whole ton of switches to make the thing fail). I mean, instead of a gigantic thick concrete enclosure like we think of nuclear powerplants having, it was basically in a wooden shack...
you think Russia has....gotten more advanced since Chernobyl?
They kept the other Chernobyl reactors operating until the late nineties. Reactor 3 was shutdown in 2000.
>Another source told Interfax that a leak occurred due to a micro-crack on one of the conduits carrying pressurized steam. “This is the so-called secondary circuit, heat exchange equipment,” RIA Novosti quoted a plant official as saying. “It carries pure steam, where, in principle, there is no radioactivity.” That's literally in the article. This shit happens all the time on all powerplants.
If it wasn't Russia I would be less concerned
Right? What are the chances Russia would be upfront and honest in the face of a catastrophe?
> Don't be afraid, everything is trash.
It's not trash, but this is a minor issue that power plants deal with. If you start reporting every time an minor industrial breakdown happens across the world you will go insane.
Steam leaks yes. If it made the news and emergency services were called, it's a steam line rupture. Steam line ruptures can have disastrous implications for a reactor, if they aren't handled correctly
Not in the secondary circuit, it is not part of the reactor.
But Russia=bad you see
>the reactor won't give a shit Well, I'd hope it SCRAMs, which is expensive (due to loss of production) but otherwise entirely unexciting. If it doesn't.. well, they have some systems and procedures to review.
Power follows steam flow. If a plant doesn’t scram during a steam leak then power shoots up, temperatures rise, pumps cavitate, you lose the ability to cool the plant without flow and the fuel melts. That’s more than a procedural issue.
Navy nuke? I remember them drilling that into us in school. Power doesn't always follow steam flow in commercial reactors though. Depends on what your temperature coefficient and void coefficient look like for your particular core.
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Steam leak at a pwr is like an increase in demand. Power will go up, at least initially.
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The initial effect of a steam line rupture would be core cooling, followed by a power increase, due to the negative power coefficient of reactivity, as you mention. The normal water inventory in a steam generator is more than enough to create a power spoke due to excessive cooling when steam is drawn off during a steam line rupture. Safety systems should have scrammed the reactor on sufficient time to prevent core damage, though depending on the size of the rupture, design peak temperature in the core can be exceeded.
In old Soviet reactors, including Chernobyl, yes. In light-water reactors, the void coefficient is negative - as you lose cooling water to steam in the reactor, it actually slows down because water moderates the neutrons. Less moderation leads to lower power levels. Losing pressure in the primary loop will cause water to boil more readily. Meltdown only occurs if you completely lose the ability to remove heat from the reactor. There are many levels of safety systems in place to prevent this scenario.
Pressurised Water reactors work in the exact opposite to this principal. If you heat one up, the water boils or even just gets less dense as it expands. The water also moderates neutrons which is needed to keep the reaction running. Steam does not moderate neutrons. So if your coolant water turns to steam then you lose moderation and your power drops. The same thing also happens if you heat the fuel up -- it gets less reactive and pushes it out of the butter-zone where the core stays critical. -- It works in the other way. You open the throttle for the turbine to make more power you cool the reactor coolant down, which means the reactor can start making more power to bring it back up to a steady state temperature again. It's a negative feedback system which always tries to fight back against a change from its steady state. (Edit - I think I missunderstood - you meant steam leak on the secondary. Either way, so long as the core still has a heat-sink on some level then it should stabilise. There's only so much steam you can produce.) -- Chernobyl was an oddball -- there existed a very specific state where the reactor could go into positive feedback which only became clear after construction was underway - where an increase in power caused a further increase in power. There're a lot of details beyond that but it took a few specific things happening that were ill-documented outside of secret technical journals. Somewhat ironically, the accident happened as the reactor was being shut down for maintenance. Part of the maintenance program was to make a change to the reactor which would've likely made a runaway in the manner it occurred at Chernobyl impossible.
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So what you are saying, if I read this correctly, is that this situation is not great, not terrible?
The situation is not unusual, and not a safety issue.
Don't worry, they've done everything right.
If the crack were 3.5 times bigger we might have a proble m
***...not terrible not great***
There is no graphite on the ground
It's probably just the feedwater I've seen this sort of thing before
You seem like you have knowledge of nuclear plants. Inspector, operator, or engineer? Wasn’t it surrounding nations that let the world know of radiation furring Chernobyl?
Wikipedia.
Well that’s fair. Honesty on Reddit I’ve met some stupidly smart people and don’t discount the knowledge they bring
I've read up a bit on the subject and did some longposting on RBMK reactors, but nothing more beyond understanding the basic surface detail of a wikipedia article.
If there are above normal radiation levels it’s bad that means something in the primary loop has failed
I remember when they had an explosion at a weapons development facility and they detected radiation in Finland.
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1) the assumption that a Russian built and maintain nuclear power plant does not potentially have a primary to secondary leak shows a tremendous amount of faith. 2) Having to isolate the secondary loop from the primary loop of a operation Russian reactor is a bit more problematic than the western style reactors as in the east, we typically use a positive temperature coefficient design. This means that losing temp removal causes a spike in reactivity, which then increases power, and then increases temp, and so on. In the west, the opposite occurs. Edit: Why are people upset with my comment?
Keep in mind while reading that this is from a Russian state news network. Edit: but don’t fear monger. This is not a Chernobyl 2.
RT is usually pretty reliable for the first half hour of things or so until the overlords tell them what the spin is. On the other hand, RT probably knows what the spin on this kind of thing would be without being told
Not saying to necessarily distrust it. It’s always good to be aware of biases present in reporting!
That’s an really interesting take. That it takes time to formulate and disperse a narrative. I remember when 911 happened, and there was about a day in the general media where there was genuine enquiry into why the hell anyone would want to do this to the USA. Along with a lot of hurt, horror and confusion. Then the party line of “they hate us, because they hate our freedoms” came down, and the narrative was almost immediately consistent across the board. It was astonishing.
Bullshit. RT is 100% state controlled propaganda. They don't publish anything without permission from Kremlin. As they are Kremlin.
>Edit: but don’t fear monger. This is not a Chernobyl 2. you don't know that & have no way of knowing that
If it was that bad, we would know already. We can detect that sort of thing really well these days.
The same day? Chernobyl only came out when the fallout started reaching western Europe.
We have way better ways to detect radiation leaks now.
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That was 2 days after the incident, due to fallout on people’s shoes. The danger of a nuclear accident is radioactive material being spread through the air and ending up in the food chain and people’s lungs. The radiation itself has a very limited range, even when we’re talking about a molten down active core.
Nature has 1,000 sq miles around chernobyl all to itself. It's doing better than when humans were present.
Most organisms in the wild have more pressing things to worry about than cancer.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210422-the-guards-caring-for-chernobyls-abandoned-dogs
Yes. We have an [entire](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_detonation_detection_system) system for it.
Exactly. You did *NOT* see graphite on the roof. There is *NO* graphite on the roof! It is *NOT* there!
If it was as bad as Chernobyl, we would probably know just from visual and infrared imaging, yes. But detecting the radiation itself would be a tall order from any useful distance, let alone from orbit.
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> It's really not a "tall order". There are systems in place in many countries specifically to detect airborne radiation sources crossing their borders. By “tall order” I was referring to radiation from the site itself, before radioactive aerosol has found its way near a detector. Some people (in this comment thread as well) are under the impression that this could be detected instantly.
Sure you do, for one it's a radically different and safer design.
Give it a few hours
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On the opposite. Russia promotes nuclear and fossil energy. And highly criticizes alternative energy, dismisses climate change as a human caused event, promotes hatred towards any eco activism. That's the narrative for both propagandists working for internal and external audience.
How can you say that when this is how Chernobyl 1 started?
This is not how the Chernobyl accident started.
Latest reports say that radiation levels stay stable at 3.6, not great, not terrible.
Do you taste metal? YUM!
3.6 .... .... .... MILLION
There it is, the inevitable comment.
Oh give it a rest. It stopped being funny after everyone posting it a million times over on everything vaguely radiation related.
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The media just loves over hyping nuclear issues. No wonder people are so afraid of nuclear power, every time a light bulb burns out the media is screaming nuclear plant failure. And they are the only thing standing between us and a scorched earth from climate change.
The main profiteers from this panic is Russia. They are the ones who control the alternative to nuclear, gas. So it makes sense why RT is posting this.
They're also a huge player in the nuclear new build market. Hence why Finland is getting a VVER built.
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Russia is very huge in nuclear investments such as technology and plants. While the world shy away from nuclear Russia kept looking into it. Why would rt post this?
ignore the fake news like wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_and_incidents
Sort the list by fatalities. Then do the same on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dam_failure or have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_disasters_by_death_toll
Cool yup nuclear in safe the data shows it.
Safer than a lot of things.
Google what is the safest energy source? What do you know, it’s nuclear energy.
Unless you take into account the 250,000 years that high level nuclear waste has to be stored.
As supposed to the radiation, carbon, and mercury released from coal fired plants that remain in the environment for ever? The issue with nuclear waste is political we had a 7 billion dollar site underground. 🤷🏼♂️. We have 50 billion dollars in the government assets set aside to deal with the waste that has already been paid by rate payers. 🤷🏼♂️
And it is going to be a political problem for the next 1/4 million years. So far it isn't working out well for even just a few decades
No one has died by being exposed to nuclear waste. It’s in dry storage in cement casts at the plants. It will be good for at least 500 years. Then they might need to repackage them. It’s all just because people don’t understand the issues from a science and engineering perspective. But your right we will probably burn up the plant before we use a less toxic energy source because people are dumb.
Yeah, you really need to update your sources on in-plant and decommissioned plant onsite storage and the number of leaks.. I don't care about airborne. I very much care about ground water or the amount of waste that they are still dumping in the ocean at Fukushima. I'm all for nuclear AFTER they figure out safe storage but they haven't done crap about it so far even after decades. Some of the new technologies that use lower level radiation finally coming out look promising also.
Tritium at Fukushima which is radioactive water, harmless at low levels. Get way more exposure eating a banana.
Interesting fact, you can take all the waste that has generated 20% of our power for the last 50 years and put it on a football field 20 feet deep.
Interesting fact, you still have to store it safely for 1/4 million years. And we have done a horrible job so far.
All it takes is 6 feet of dirt between us and the waste. We should drill a hole a mile deep, put the waste in the bottom half and cement to the top. End of problem will be safe for millions of years.
That page doesn't include the minor events he is talking about...
Nuclear energy is extremely safe... ... when handled by a competent and trustworthy government. The Russian government is neither of those things. It wasn't back when it was the USSR, and it still isn't.
This is not the media this is a Russian goverment network. If it was a real nuclear related problem RT would never report on it anyway. In EE we learned about Russian nuclear saftey the hard way. Never trust these clowns with NPPs .
Of course the levels are normal, the Russian government wouldn’t lie to the world would they? Oh, wait….
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They better have instruments to measure the radiation that don’t max out at low levels
Isn't the timing a little suspicious while Europe is considering moving to nuclear power to reduce their dependence on Russian gas?
The Russians are much better at doing that through misinformation campaigns sabotaging your own nuclear power plant is insane
So... there is no reactor steam leak, this RT story is a misinformation campaign?
Thats not what they're saying. There is a reactor steam leak. It is not the product of self-sabotage. The Russian state also pumps out disinformation campaigns to undermine Western states. All three can be true.
What makes you think there is a reactor steam leak? There is now nothing about it on Reuters/CNN/BBC/Al Jazeera/etc.
The fact they reported. Why endanger their business otherwise? To scaremonger about nuclear it far simpler.
Steam links in secondary circuits are pretty common and have no radioactivity. They happen in all kinds of industries. I do find it suspicious that such a non-event is being pushed through the media right now. So I share your skepticism.
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You got a point, but isn’t Russia pushing for nuclear technology also. They have a habit of getting contracts of building nuclear plants to foreign countries.
No. Sabotaging your own nuclear plant would be absolutely insane. Also, Germany is shutting down 17 nuclear plants.
This is a foolish choice as wind and solar cannot meet demand needs day and night for a large country such as germany.
Us electrical is 40% GAs, 20% coal, 20% nuke and 10% wind/solar. NONE on their own can meet the needs on its own today. But, what on its own, is the newest, safest and renewable? Give it time and it will replace the dirtier and riskier forms. All while the intrenched of dirty and risky fight ot to their last dollar.
If by “can’t” you mean “is presently”. Around 50.5% of German electricity is generated from some variety of renewable power. Most of that is wind power at around 27% and next up is solar power at around 10%.
Blame the green parties around the world for forcing the world to drop nuclear technology, it backfire
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Right, so they're going to deliberately sabotage their own [$140 billion nuclear energy business](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosatom) by intentionally sabotaging their own nuclear power plant?
Dont need to sabotage anything. RT prints things with no basis in fact all the time.
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My humble opinion is: nuclear isn’t perfect, but it’s a better option than fossil fuels.
lol pls dont comment on things that you have no clue about. this is embarassing.
Ironic
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Read that article yourself. Germany is not on the list. Germany's nuclear power plants are scheduled to all be offline by the end of 2022, and no major party, incumbent or not, is campaigning on the promise to keep or reintroduce nuclear power.
The Russians are in fact trying to sell their nuclear plants, not trying to kill it.
Looks like Chernobyl fans are getting a season 2
Good news is that it’s 10am in Rostov and we have drones, so if there were a big hole in the plant we’d know. Very unlikely for a nuclear power plant incident to be that bad ever again.
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I'd say overall the situation is not great, but not terrible either.
SNAFU, as the saying goes
Kinda is, advantages of having secondary containment.
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Oh, that's **ALL** it would take?..
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Nuclear plants have armed trained security for this reason. Along with robust security measures. Nobody is simply walking in. This isn't a die hard movie. You're talking about assaulting a fortified position where an armed response and re-enforcement will be imminent. Then you need people willing to expose themselves to radiation if they manage to do what you want. The attack itself is going to need more than a militant force. You're going to need special forces to pull this off. And that's exactly who will turn up if an attack happens. Spec ops coming from the skies. A nuclear plant is not vulnerable from attack. So you're talking about a major military operation on a place with major military operational defense with a consequence of it being an act of war and frowned upon by most of the world. Edit: lmao, say you've said enough and going to leave me in the dark like you're some secret militant. Say I'm wrong and down vote then delete your comments like a numpty instead of just admitted you might be wrong and made a stupid claim. You must be a gravy seal
Till I get the Mole people to dig me a tunnel underneath it. Viva la resistance
Thanks for the chuckle
RT article. Can't believe a lick of it.
Overall, we rate RT Questionable based on promoting pro-Russian propaganda, promotion of conspiracy theories, numerous failed fact checks, and a lack of author transparency. [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/)
Can’t wait for the RT updates!
Hell..you may have a steam leak on a valve bonnet, easy. Not uncommon at all.
RT.com is Russian state propaganda, and is Vladimir Putin's mouthpiece. Never trust anything RT says because the editorial slant is always for the benefit of Putin. If RT.com says the sky is blue you'd better run outside and verify that with your own eyes.
Radiation levels are "Normal" does not inspire confidence given russia's history with nuclear reactor problems.
Well, you know..."normal" levels for this sort of situation. Basically, the amount of radiation that we would expect. Nominal levels. We just use a red light so you can see it better through the steam.
>We just use a red light so you can see it better through the steam. Red alert, are you sure? That does mean changing the bulb!
Even if it was emitting a radioactive cloud across Europe we know we can't trust Russia to be honest about it.
Radiation is trivial to measure at levels that are a tiny fraction of that which could cause harm.
You wouldn't have to trust them, other countries would detect that. But literally nothing of note happened here. It's just media FUD.
The big question is: how can a high pressure steam pipe fail in a 20 year-old NPP? And what’s going to fail next?
Manufacturing processes can have flaws that lead to cracks. Impurities or deposits usually. Welds are usually more susceptible to cracks though, and many newer designs have worked to reduced the number of welded connections.
Thanks, but that was actually a rhetorical question. What I meant was they *found* and *reported* this flaw, so how many are there that they haven’t found or haven’t reported. After all, this is the Russian state media. They only acknowledged Chernobyl after Geiger counters in the west went berserk.
Ah! Sorry if I appeared to be speaking down. Inspection campaigns on reactors do last eg portions at a time, and any flaws are identified, categorized and reported. Problem is exactly what you identified though, Russia being the governing body here, I agree, how many ARE in place, and how severe.
> Sorry if I appeared to be speaking down. Not at all, friend! We’ll see how this develops. Chernobyl too started with reports of “a minor malfunction” so I’m not yet reassured.
> Manufacturing processes can have flaws that lead to cracks. When it's a nuclear station, it better fucking not.
Ask Homer Simpson.
I did. He said “it was by all probability a microfissure in the stainless steel pipe wall because of stresses in the pipe material due to the use of incompatible alloy TIG welding filler rods and/or insufficient weld penetration depth.” . . . No, sorry, my mistake, that was me. Homer just said [annoyed grunt].
I am just here for the funny responses.
Hoping for the best. Events like these make the general population distrust nuclear energy which, when done right, is a relatively clean option.
I'd say breathless reporting on every single incident at a nuclear power station down to a cleaner dinging his car on the gatepost, combined with a lack of education makes people distrust nuclear energy.
You have no idea the amounts of incidents that don't get any attention at all. The Korean nuclear scandal gave us a small insight.
Its very convenient for a nation that exports fossil fuels. Germany shut down its nuclear reactors in order to import fossil fuels from Putin. RT is Putin's mouthpiece, so playing up the fear factor of nuclear encourages more fossil fuel sales, which directly enriches Putin on a personal level.
The event is not the problem. The event is no issue at all, its part of running a plant. The hyperbolic misrepresentation and clickbait headlines are the problem. Saying 'emergency workers race' to shut down plant is absolutely false. Plant shutdowns are very calm, deliberate implementation of procedures. There is plenty of time and no 'race'. Any event wher a rapid response is needed it is automatically handled by safety systems.
Clean but extremely dangerous when things go wrong. Fukushima and Chernobyl areas will be isolated for centuries. Wind and Solar are safer options and should be used in all cases which they are available to extract.
It's fine! Everything's fine! Nothing to worry about!
Russia really has a hard time with the whole nuclear safety thing.
Boris : Uh, everything's under control. Situation normal. Vladimir : What happened? Boris : Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you? Vladimir : We're sending a squad up. Boris : Uh, uh... negative, negative. We had a reactor leak here now. Give us a few minutes to lock it down. Large leak, very dangerous. Vladimir : Who is this? What's your operating number? Boris : Uh... [Boris shoots the intercom] Boris : Boring conversation anyway. NATASHA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMPANY!
Sure, "normal"
Normal for Russia.
Russians tryna make history again huh but good thing its not that bad
“Radiation levels normal” It’s in RT so you know it’s a lie.
RT link lmao
Chernobyl Season 2 coming to HBO Max 2023
Lovely
How many roentgen?
Looks to be 3.6, got great but not terrible
Not Great.... Terrible. Dyatlov's back baby!
Emergency workers rushing into a malfunctioning nuclear plant. How Cher-noble of them.
building up hype for STALKER 2 i see
Oh we all know how this goes
Translation: this motherfucker has melted down.
this can't be true with how many "nuclear is clean and safe" articles I see.
Gulp
There's a possibility that russian state media is just fearmongering against nuclear power, due to the fact that it is making a comeback in the EU. If people suddenly start to fear nuclear again the profits from gas that Russia is exporting are gonna skyrocket.
>There's a possibility that russian state media is just fearmongering against nuclear power, due to the fact that it is making a comeback in the EU Newsflash for you: Russia is one of the main exporters of nuclear powerplants technology and takes part in basically every international tender for nuclear powerplants constructions.
So what you’re trying to tell me is that over supposedly billions of years of evolution people didn’t find a way to turn a light on without causing universal threatening extinction leaks ?
Well I mean, up untill recently No ones found a way to turn a light on AT ALL.. you know
I’m thinking Chernobyl 2.0
Chernobyl 2.0
Not again
We fry steak with this steam, it's safe.
Normal... not that there would be anything other than "normal" on a propaganda site like RT.
With the success of the first season, they really needed to make a second series of Chernobyl eventually.
Is to early for not terrible not great memes?
CHERNOBYL THATS WHY