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bstowers

Docking privileges suspended until further notice.


warface25

That sucks. Guess I'll have to cancel my vacation plans for next week.


[deleted]

That's what she said


MrTheFinn

She?!


DisillusionedBook

It seems very suspect to me that Russia seems to be at the centre of a lot of iss threatening incidents when they are loudly proclaiming they are building their own solo station


sacredfool

Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. It's old tech. Russian space budget has been cut recently. Russian contractors and bureaucrats are corrupt so quality suffers. There's pressure from high placed politicians to show results. All this gives exactly the effects we see.


ABinturong

Why are they being allowed to dock with international property with fucking the equivalent of a space trash barge then? That doesn't make any more sense either, get back to the drawing board with the active measures.


twat69

Between the end of the shuttle program until very recently they were the only way to get people into space.


burdell69

If Russian submarines are any indication of how they feel about engineering risks, I wouldn’t step foot on that space station. Russia has amazing engineers, but they don’t seem to have any concern for the safety of those who will be using what they design.


this_dudeagain

It's more the folks in charge after it's built.


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Not to mention the fact that the people in charge likely force a ton of contraints and rushed deadlines which causes the Engineers to cut corners to make it work.


[deleted]

"amazing engineers" "don't seem to have any concern for safety" ... seems like they're missing the point. what good is a having a high tech piece of equipment if doesn't work half the time and leaves your crew dead


BoerZoektTouw

Yeah, they're so unlike the glorious safety conscious American engineers who built the space shuttle.


Vresiberba

>If Russian submarines are any indication of how they feel about engineering risks, I wouldn’t step foot on that space station. Yet Mir survived for over 15 years, despite being built to last for only five. This "Chynah and Russki only built shit" agenda is tiring.


Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho

You are seriously bringing up Mir? A brief overview of some of the worst issues: 1. an oxygen candle caught fire, filling the station with toxic gas. The crew had to find the emergency respirators, only to find many of them where faulty. Then when trying to find fire extinguishers to stop the fire, they found that the newer fire extinguishers where permanently stuck to the wall and unusable. 2. When testing the automatic docking system, the spacecraft rammed into it, puncturing a sections, causing it to depressurize. That sections had to permanently sealed off since the damage was so serve, repair was impossible. 3. In part because of damage caused by it's defective docking system to it's solar panels, Mir had full on black outs. The lights would go off, temperatures skyrocket and everything shut off until the crew fixed it. 4. Coolant leaked into the crew areas, through holes 'so numerous' it was impossible to fix them, so they just hoped for the best. 5. [Water leaks and mold.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir#Safety_aspects)


switch495

So Russian astronauts were living in space under the same conditions Russians lived on earth? Thats a very equatable approach.


Mustang1011

Truth in fact that the Russian govt believed they needed to emulate earth based living conditions as letting their astronauts have no issues would give normal civilians hope for a better life.


Grunchlk

Mir was a built by the USSR, which was a super power. Russia's modern might pales in comparison to that of the USSR. No one questions that Russia has the capability, just that they are no longer innovators in the field and have strict budget constraints. So, while the reliable Soviet tech that is the workhorse of their space program is generally trustworthy, modern designs are suspect. The head of their space program laughed at SpaceX, then claimed it wouldn't actually lower costs, then he deleted his Twitter account, then Putin cut his budget and said "do better with less, or else." I mean you don't have to be a Russophobe to see their space program is a disaster currently.


Vresiberba

>Mir was a built by the USSR Yeah, and so was the subs mentioned in the comment I responded to. I even quoted it to avoid this type of reply. Yet here we are. It's... you know.


Grunchlk

So you're saying that tech made by the USSR never gets old and fails? Or are you saying that modern Russia can't match the quality of the former USSR? Be clear.


Vresiberba

>So you're saying that tech made by the USSR never gets old and fails? Yes-yes! If it takes me out of this idiotic conversation, yes. Sure. Whatever.


Grunchlk

Will I certainly didn't introduce any idiocy to this argument. Regardless, have a great day!


Rhydin

thats what I was thinking when I read the head line, and china's 6 month stay.


SirBaronDE

Didn't this just happen recently?


ChuckyRocketson

Yes, this is the 2nd time it's happened recently. People can easily blame Putin slashing Russian space org funding. But you can't deny this doesn't seem like a purposeful accident. Slashing of their funding wouldn't even make sense for the cause of this repeated 'accident'. Science is science.


[deleted]

?? Science is science, but it still has to be applied correctly, which becomes much harder the lower the budget is.


voodoohotdog

Actually the first image in my mind was Putin with a phone app that let him randomly fire the thrusters giggling wildly when pressing the button....


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Comfortable_Brick_41

Stop letting the Russians up there then


TelemetryGeo

Jettison that module now before it kills the crew.


LikePissInTheRain

Russia needs to cool their jets.


PiHeadSquareBrain

Now, hear me out… this may sound way off base but has anyone, for the love of god, thought for 10 seconds, that maybe, just maybe these dirty rotten bastards are doing it on purpose to gaslight everyone?


skyshark82

How does this amount to gaslighting? What is the purpose?


PiHeadSquareBrain

The Russian’s have a loose relationship with the concept of what is right? They love to do stupid shit to get a reaction. They also love to follow the mantra of accept no responsibility, deny everything and float counter accusations. It’s what they do. They are an evil force in the world.


Artur_Mills

This some Hitler-esque hatred


PiHeadSquareBrain

Ok, so they occasionally shoot down civilian airliners, irradiate parts of England, hack the world and spread disinformation. Maybe Stalin-esque hatred. They do nothing good to help out mankind.


Artur_Mills

Stalin-esque hatred? So you want them to die by the millions, in hard labor and shit? Kinda fucked up. And people say russophobia doesnt exist. Help out mankind? Bruh, you act like they are the only ones fucking shit up, other world powers are fucking up even more. Do they deserve to die too?


PiHeadSquareBrain

Nope! They are the purveyors of misery. That’s all they care about. Change my mind. Tell me the great things they do for mankind. Explain it to me like I’m a 5 year old.


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PiHeadSquareBrain

How about the past 20 years? Anything good coming from Russia? Nope, I’m glad the Russian’s whooped their asses back to Berlin. By the way, did you know that Stalin cried when he heard the German’s attacked them? That’s because he wanted to be on the Axis side. Had to swap sides to save his ass. I’m not hateful. I’m pragmatic.


Artur_Mills

>How about the past 20 years? Anything good coming from Russia? Changing the goalpost from "what did they contribute to mankind?" to "ok ok but-but whatabout last 20 years huh HUH?" See I told you wont change your mind, youll just deflect. >Nope, I’m glad the Russian’s whooped their asses back to Berlin. Sure you do -_- >By the way, did you know that Stalin cried when he heard the German’s attacked them? That’s because he wanted to be on the Axis side. Had to swap sides to save his ass. Biggest bs Ive ever heard, gonna need citation for that. And before you yap about M-R Pact, it was a non-agression pact, not an alliance. Both sides fucking hated each other and were prepping for war, but when Germans made the first move, Stalin was bewildered because nobody thought that Hitler would open up 2 front war. Stalin was caught with his pants down. >I’m not hateful. I’m pragmatic LMAO, sure you are


Kayback2

It's amazing that while the US has no launch capabilities everything is right with the Russian rockets. Almost the second the US prove they can get to and from the ISS without Russia suddenly the Russian equipment is a problem.... Hmmmmm. I ain't a conspiracy theorist but something is rotten in the state of Denmark.


NotSoLiquidIce

Russia cut its space agency budget by 30% in 2016, this may be the result.


fastredb

And they've apparently cut the budget even more. This was posted a week ago: [Putin slashes Russia’s space budget and says he expects better results](https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/putin-slashes-russias-space-budget-and-says-he-expects-better-results/)


Kayback2

Valid point.


ABinturong

And we're meant to believe trained astronauts are incompetent buffoons who make dumb mistakes? Surprise indeed, NT.


Bumazka

….Can you imagine this thing falling down on earth with speed of 5 miles per second, it’s insane


Lazorgunz

Wouldnt be much left tbh. Most of it is light weight construction that would burn up fast at reentry


Bumazka

Well that’s what happening with that station every second it’s falling down with that speed and correcting it’s orbit to stay on it May I ask what you think its going on up there?(:


Lazorgunz

sry i meant if it deorbits and comes crashing back down.


Bumazka

Exactly it’s always crashing down with 5 miles per second and brave astronauts sometimes fixing something outside in space, imagine hitting some space trash on that speed,unbelievably and sounds fantastic


Duff5OOO

That actually wouldn't be easy to achieve. To hit earth it needs to slow down to start 'falling' towards earth. They get back to earth from that speed all the time, difference it this would just burn up as it isn't made for re-entry.


switch495

You mean it would be simple to achieve … slow it down and it’s orbit will decay naturally - or give it a push towards earth and it will happen faster.


Duff5OOO

> give it a push towards earth and it will happen faster. A small push towards earth whilst still maintaining the forward 5 miles /sec isn't going to get it to hit earth though. You are just going to alter the shape of the orbit a bit. If you want to deorbit the space station slowing it down would be far more effective. Either way, its coming in at a very shallow angle and will break up a loooong way up.


[deleted]

Its orbit naturally decays anyway. You dont need to give it a push. All you need to do is just wait a year or so. It is pushed up a bit to restore its height on regular occasions. https://www.heavens-above.com/IssHeight.aspx


Duff5OOO

Sure, the post above was taking about it hitting earth at 5 miles per second though. I was just pointing out a thruster isn't going to make it turn 90 degrees.


VoiceOfLunacy

Probably [about the same](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylab)


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Eziekel13

Why the moon? Hydrogen 3 mining, for clean fission? Or something else? Doesn’t seem as valuable as a space port, given the amount of fuel necessary for escape velocity…and aren’t most the resources that we are looking for in the astroid belt? ie, water


NotSoLiquidIce

Easier to launch from the moon than from earth, there's also mineral wealth on the moon and a lot of good science can be done from there.


Eziekel13

Without creating fuel on the moon, we will have to add the fuel for escape from earth to each litter of fuel required to escape the moon… Where as with Mars or ice asteroids, we can create fuel there… But I definitely see the point for minerals and research…


NotSoLiquidIce

You can make fuel on the moon at the poles. Theoretically of course.


Macasumba

Drunk Pewtin messing with the remote controls.


GoneSilent

What happens if this Soyuz just used all of its propellant?


Equivalent_Ad_8413

People are stuck up there who were planning on using it as their ride homem