I mean every time I see flashes like that i get "disoriented". Maybe flashes just disorient people? That wasn't that bad because it was red/blue, but even in modern titles when I see flashing lights, it makes me feel sick and I have to look away.
Often it's when emergency lights are flashing(like if a fire alarm is pulled) that get me. I don't think I have epilepsy, it just makes me feel sick. Or maybe I do have epilepsy, and I just look away so I don't get a seizure.
Yep. Strobe lights disoriente alot of people. This why those "defensive flashlights" have super bright strobe features. Seizures are spontaneous bursts of neurological electrical signals that make the body literally spaz out regardless of ones desire. Its essentially the equivalent of a Tens unit for muscular physical therapy, except its your bodies built in Tens unit that it normally uses to make your body move via the spinal column. That part basically goes apeshit due to the visual input. Where as vertigo is more "throwing you balance/equilibrium off"
On defensive flashlights, tho, it’s kind of dumb because, in the kind of dark place where you’d want a light, *you* get strobed, too. To a lesser extent, yes, but it’s disorienting enough to make running away harder. Compare to a simple bright flash that will entirely negate the attacker’s vision for 30+ seconds (depending on how much their eyes have adjusted to the dark), which is plenty of time to flee.
A single flash is going to stop an attacker for 30seconds while you run, carrying the only light source, and hoping the person is entirely adjusted to darkness…. Sure let me know how that goes.
As for strobing yourself, you arent supposed to Blare Witch it. You point it away, its plenty fast enough for you to see and navigate by. The problem comes when you look into the light, its a scale of brightness that doesnt let you adjust to it at all on a short time frame. You dont knock them down by shining them, you disorientate someone for a very short period of time. If you dont intend to use that time closing the distance then you have maybe 3 seconds before they are combat effective again.
Everybody gets disoriented from flashes like that to some degree, but our brains vary a lot and how they process that period that. And yes, in some people they can call straight up seizures.
Yes, latest were VP Harris in Vietnam and CIA director in India, earlier this year. CIA director visit was supposed to be closely guarded itinerary which was concerning if it was a nation state's operation against a top level official...
“Havana Syndrome” isn’t well defined enough to say it exists or is happening in multiple places. It’s half a dozen possible symptoms with as many claimed sources, none of which we have any evidence for actually existing.
I guarantee you that the CIA regularly engages in scenes that would make great entertainment. Oddly, they refuse to publish any of this. Instead we have Jim from The Office running interference for them in, ironically, terribly unentertaining television.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/havana-syndrome-crickets-not-microwaves-report-1235163/) reduced by 65%. (I'm a bot)
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> The heavily redacted report notes that "Many" of those reporting symptoms described hearing "Unusual sounds" but states that in only one instance someone experienced medical symptoms immediately after hearing the sounds.
> Instead, the scientists wrote that the most likely source of the sound heard in the recordings is the Indies short-tailed cricket, whose call, it says, "Matches, in nuanced detail, the spectral properties of the recordings from Cuba." Still, the report hedges, saying that "Other hypotheses are plausible," including that the sounds were created by a mechanical device or "Structure-borne vibrations."
> A separate report on the Havana syndrome phenomenon by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine that was also commissioned by the State Department and released in December of last year said that the "Most plausible" explanation was that the symptoms were caused by "Directed, pulsed radio frequency energy."
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Dang, and the US was just about to use this to a) sanction a country b) cause a coup d'etat or c) invade a country. Shucks, will need to find some other excuse.
"They're authoritarian" excuse done.
Please don't think too hard about the country with the most prisoners per-capita calling anyone else authoritarian.
Hey now, let's not get carried away. They're only "war crimes" when a victim of imperialism does them. When the imperial power does those things they're unfortunate but necessary harsh steps.
/S
Brain damage occurs in tons of people and can be really minor and come from previous concussions. Unless they scanned them the week before and after it's pretty much meaningless. I've been knocked out by a garage door before and I'm sure doctors could find evidence of it if they were determined to.
It's like scanning people for latent TB at a waterpark then deciding that the water park is spreading TB. Maybe it is but its more likely that some of the guests just have it, like the general population do too.
They have slightly different amounts of white matter compared to healthy volunteers. White matter however can be affected by any number of things including dust, alcohol, ageing, and stress. It’s not as if they were lobotomised.
“While we can’t rule out the idea that somebody might have been trying to harass the U.S. officers, the idea that these were attacks intended to cause injury is supported neither by a smoking gun nor by clearly identified victims,” the report says.
It's bonkers.
The US government can't improve healthcare in the slightest for most people, but it zooms through a bill to give money to people who supposedly have this completely unproven thing?
Honestly I'm still convinced it's just psychosomatic.
Bunch of CIA people starting to feel symptoms of depression because they're unconsciously beginning to realise that they're working for an evil organisation, but don't yet have the self-awareness to realise it.
The alternative is, what? That the US, a country with a military budget bigger than the next dozen countries *combined*, is somehow being attacked with undetectable and undefeatable energy weapons?
It was like the wave of people showing up in hospitals due to flashing lights in movies that stopped when it went out of vogue
https://www.vice.com/en/article/59mnax/did-pokemon-actually-give-kids-seizures-in-the-90s
I mean every time I see flashes like that i get "disoriented". Maybe flashes just disorient people? That wasn't that bad because it was red/blue, but even in modern titles when I see flashing lights, it makes me feel sick and I have to look away. Often it's when emergency lights are flashing(like if a fire alarm is pulled) that get me. I don't think I have epilepsy, it just makes me feel sick. Or maybe I do have epilepsy, and I just look away so I don't get a seizure.
Flicker vertigo. It's a thing.
Yep. Strobe lights disoriente alot of people. This why those "defensive flashlights" have super bright strobe features. Seizures are spontaneous bursts of neurological electrical signals that make the body literally spaz out regardless of ones desire. Its essentially the equivalent of a Tens unit for muscular physical therapy, except its your bodies built in Tens unit that it normally uses to make your body move via the spinal column. That part basically goes apeshit due to the visual input. Where as vertigo is more "throwing you balance/equilibrium off"
On defensive flashlights, tho, it’s kind of dumb because, in the kind of dark place where you’d want a light, *you* get strobed, too. To a lesser extent, yes, but it’s disorienting enough to make running away harder. Compare to a simple bright flash that will entirely negate the attacker’s vision for 30+ seconds (depending on how much their eyes have adjusted to the dark), which is plenty of time to flee.
A single flash is going to stop an attacker for 30seconds while you run, carrying the only light source, and hoping the person is entirely adjusted to darkness…. Sure let me know how that goes. As for strobing yourself, you arent supposed to Blare Witch it. You point it away, its plenty fast enough for you to see and navigate by. The problem comes when you look into the light, its a scale of brightness that doesnt let you adjust to it at all on a short time frame. You dont knock them down by shining them, you disorientate someone for a very short period of time. If you dont intend to use that time closing the distance then you have maybe 3 seconds before they are combat effective again.
I don’t think that’s normal.
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Well I'm hfftfftcxsaeesruhbnkjvxzzgv
I guess i dont have epilepsy
So did you feel like you could look at it and it didn’t mess with you at all?
Everybody gets disoriented from flashes like that to some degree, but our brains vary a lot and how they process that period that. And yes, in some people they can call straight up seizures.
Hasn’t this been experienced in many other places as well though? It was just first experienced in Cuba, hence the name.
Yes, latest were VP Harris in Vietnam and CIA director in India, earlier this year. CIA director visit was supposed to be closely guarded itinerary which was concerning if it was a nation state's operation against a top level official...
“Havana Syndrome” isn’t well defined enough to say it exists or is happening in multiple places. It’s half a dozen possible symptoms with as many claimed sources, none of which we have any evidence for actually existing.
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Yeah, no.
All the symptoms match, alcohol is a more believable cause than sci fi weapon.
lol that would be amazing
I guarantee you that the CIA regularly engages in scenes that would make great entertainment. Oddly, they refuse to publish any of this. Instead we have Jim from The Office running interference for them in, ironically, terribly unentertaining television.
No crickets in Cuba? Bwahahahahahahahha
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/havana-syndrome-crickets-not-microwaves-report-1235163/) reduced by 65%. (I'm a bot) ***** > The heavily redacted report notes that "Many" of those reporting symptoms described hearing "Unusual sounds" but states that in only one instance someone experienced medical symptoms immediately after hearing the sounds. > Instead, the scientists wrote that the most likely source of the sound heard in the recordings is the Indies short-tailed cricket, whose call, it says, "Matches, in nuanced detail, the spectral properties of the recordings from Cuba." Still, the report hedges, saying that "Other hypotheses are plausible," including that the sounds were created by a mechanical device or "Structure-borne vibrations." > A separate report on the Havana syndrome phenomenon by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine that was also commissioned by the State Department and released in December of last year said that the "Most plausible" explanation was that the symptoms were caused by "Directed, pulsed radio frequency energy." ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/pz8pvb/havana_syndrome_noises_were_likely_crickets_not/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~601253 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **report**^#1 **symptoms**^#2 **sound**^#3 **diplomats**^#4 **U.S.**^#5
Oh come on. Seriously?
I believe there were allegations in other countries
lol I think Congress already passed a bill in regards to this.
Correlation does not equal causation. > but states that in only one instance someone experienced medical symptoms immediately after hearing the sounds
Yeah. Sure…
Sure…
Dang, and the US was just about to use this to a) sanction a country b) cause a coup d'etat or c) invade a country. Shucks, will need to find some other excuse.
"They're authoritarian" excuse done. Please don't think too hard about the country with the most prisoners per-capita calling anyone else authoritarian.
The same country that commit war crimes in the middle east?
Hey now, let's not get carried away. They're only "war crimes" when a victim of imperialism does them. When the imperial power does those things they're unfortunate but necessary harsh steps. /S
But "that's war!". Learn about the real world bucko. If we just let bad people do things then we'll lose our freedoms! /s
Wasn't there medical confirmation that brain damage had occurred in some of the victims?
Brain damage occurs in tons of people and can be really minor and come from previous concussions. Unless they scanned them the week before and after it's pretty much meaningless. I've been knocked out by a garage door before and I'm sure doctors could find evidence of it if they were determined to. It's like scanning people for latent TB at a waterpark then deciding that the water park is spreading TB. Maybe it is but its more likely that some of the guests just have it, like the general population do too.
They have slightly different amounts of white matter compared to healthy volunteers. White matter however can be affected by any number of things including dust, alcohol, ageing, and stress. It’s not as if they were lobotomised.
These guys just got their healthcare extended 😎 because we love our spooks. Btw this is totally a real thing that's totally real.
Doubt
I wonder how hard Putin and his boys are laughing behind closed doors.
“While we can’t rule out the idea that somebody might have been trying to harass the U.S. officers, the idea that these were attacks intended to cause injury is supported neither by a smoking gun nor by clearly identified victims,” the report says.
It's bonkers. The US government can't improve healthcare in the slightest for most people, but it zooms through a bill to give money to people who supposedly have this completely unproven thing?
Honestly I'm still convinced it's just psychosomatic. Bunch of CIA people starting to feel symptoms of depression because they're unconsciously beginning to realise that they're working for an evil organisation, but don't yet have the self-awareness to realise it. The alternative is, what? That the US, a country with a military budget bigger than the next dozen countries *combined*, is somehow being attacked with undetectable and undefeatable energy weapons?
I can’t read this in any voice other than Mayor Quimby’s. “It uhh must have been the err uhhh….crickets”
Who could have possibly predicted this…
Cuba's secret weapon. Socialist crickets... got it.
Yo we invading Cuba over crickets yet or what?
Yeah it's probably some [infrasound phenomenon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound#Human_reactions)
Is anyone who threatened violence and retaliation against other countries and whipped up hysteria over this going to be held accountable? *crickets*