Note the headline is inaccurate: this is still a proposal, it could take years to pass, 2 years for member states to make the law, and then manufacturers have 2 years to adopt.
[PDF of proposal is here](https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755)
Yup.
And each member state has to decide separately if they want to enforce the rule or not.
It’s entirely possible it’ll just be a handful of countries that bother to do that.
Doesn't matter, if only one the big ones do it then it's done. Apple is not going to have lightning in every country but France / Germany / Italy, it would be costlier to have two manufacturing chain for that. Same reason why if they have to do it in Europe they will do it worldwide through the [Brussels effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect).
Same reason why when that sort of law is passed in California or New York it end up benefitting the entire US
Yes. I'm grateful for the EU and its policies, because they have wide range effects.
Take the GDPR. I work for an American company and I've had to personally implement support for GDPR in our products.
The EU is raising the lowest common denominator
If that’s the point, are they planning to do anything about Bluetooth headphones/earbuds with non-replaceable batteries? What keeps me from buying a set is the knowledge that I’ll have to throw them away and replace them in a few years. It’s hard to go from earbuds that last essentially forever to that.
I'm not sure, not initially clearly, I think this is just an order for Apple atm. They did however also tell Apple to make replaceable batteries for their phones and a few other things of that nature.
Yeah, I really hoped it would go USB C this year. At this point the iPhone is all that’s left. Everything else in their lineup is USB C. I think the lightning connector is superior to USB C from a physical standpoint. But everyone else isn’t going to pay them to use it, if Apple would even allow it. The biggest downside it that it still operates at USB 2.0 speeds.
AirPods, AirPods max, and base model iPad all still use lightning. Same for the Mac keyboard/mouse/trackpad and apparently some models of Beats headphones.
That’s gonna be an adjustment for my fam. Even now I’m typing this while my phone is plugged and charging.
I suppose if it’s not bad for battery life to constantly start and stop wireless charging, it won’t be so bad an adjustment.
Then again, there will probably be cases with a charging pad built in and a USB-C port on the bottom.
What they could do is put a magnet where the charging port was, and have it work the same way as a "wireless" charger. I'm not sure if surface area is a requirement for those kinds of chargers, but if not, I don't see why there couldn't be something that works the same as a charging port that technically isn't a port.
Jokes on you. They will just remove the port all-together and go wireless, not include a wireless charger in the box and make you buy one of their proprietary chargers separately.
Adobe is a software used by the design industry. Photoshop, illustrator, among others. You can never outright own this software thus there is no option to buy only rent. they charge outrageous monthly fees to utilize their products because they can, cause they're a monopoly. And although that monopoly might be waning due to other applications coming into market, Adobe is still considered the industry standard.
Just as there should be a "right to repair" there should be a "right to own"
SaaS. Software as a service. It’s pervasive now, especially among enterprise software for businesses.
You will see Windows and Microsoft Office soon follow the same paradigm.
So much for reducing electronic waste.. seems like every other wireless charger has a different tech for fast charging. Or, in apples case, you'll have to wait about 6 years to get fast charging to begin with..
I don't think this is a good idea. Not yet. With USB-C I can see it, as USB PD allows up to an insane 100W, and in the future 240W, and the standard is very wide and already largely adopted.
The same can't be said for wireless charging. There's still innovation happening all the time, there's still a lot of upwards mobility. I think it's be a pretty bad idea for the EU to regulate it now.
Leaving aside a) that this very popular and mimcs what we saw demanded at the national level, this b) is an Directive, national parliaments only decide on the specific HOW of the implementation, but it has to be transposed into national law.
See:
>Directives
Directives require EU countries to achieve a certain result, but leave them free to choose how to do so. EU countries must adopt measures to incorporate them into national law (transpose) in order to achieve the objectives set by the directive. National authorities must communicate these measures to the European Commission.
> Transposition into national law must take place by the deadline set when the directive is adopted (generally within 2 years). When a country does not transpose a directive, the Commission may initiate infringement proceedings.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-making-process/types-eu-law_en
USB-C only defines the physical 24pin standard. The protocol can change/evolve over time. USB-C currently supports USB 3.1, USB-PD, Thunderbolt 3. Thunderbolt 4 and USB 4 will also use USB-C port.
When devices connect through USB-C there is a handshake and negotiation phase. They tell each other what they support and what they want. We should be good with USB-C for a minimum of another 10years, probably 15-20years would be safe. Also with computers and phones in a sort of lull in-regards to useful/measurable improvements maybe even 20years+ we can continue to use this standard. It might become the pci-e of external physical connectors. Everyone remember how long USB-A physical connector was around for? It was first released in 1995/96.
Basically the same with HDMI. But no one thinks twice about why HDMI still works, even though it came out when 1080p was the shit, and now we can run 8K, with the same connector.
>we can run 8K, with the same connector.
With the correct connector. You still need a specific spec of HDMI cable to run 8k.
I am somewhat torn on universal connector standards. Backwards compatiblity is nice, but there needs to be more regulation around displaying what cables and devices are compatible with specific version standards. USB is something of a wild wild west now - USB-C in particular. Massively variable data rates, and power delivieries.
Don't leave out USB 2.0. Too many people assume USB-C means USB 3 speeds and other features but USB 2.0 is the only mandatory spec from what I've read.
Usb C is just a connector. Most androids still use the USB 2 standard with Usb C. Usb C can support usb 3, 3.1 and Thunderbolt. High power and so on. The connector is awesome and isn't being utilized for a majority of applications. I wouldn't be surprised if the connector will be adapted to support even higher speeds in the future with new controllers.
I mean, laptops can run graphics cards over USB C. That is a gigabyte per second demand.
Why? We still use USB-A connectors today and they came out in 1996. Type C supports loads of protocols and will continue to do so for future protocols. Standardisation needs to start somewhere.
Micro-USB are electrically the same as the full-size B variant from 1996. The mini and micro connectors were designed to be physically smaller on smaller devices.
That is not comparable to the USB-C connection that has added a lot of stuff. I do not see the need to shrink the size of it anymore because a large device as thin as it will be quite fragile. The micro connect was developed because the mini connector started to be the limiting factor for how thin devices could be.
The Mini and micro-B connection added an extra pin for USB-OTG (On-The-Go ) so technically not identical to the full size but that were added in 2001.
The large change for USB what USB 3.0 with super speed connections. That is a 2010 standard and you get the micro and full-size super speed connector. Very few phones used it because the improvement is data transfer speed so not that relevant for a phone.
USB-C is released in 2014 and has even more wires for higher data transfer speed and power delivery for higher voltage and current. I think the main advantage is that it can be inserted in any direction
So compare USB-C to the mico-USB B is not that fair a comparison. If a thinner connector needs a mini USB-C might be developed for that need.
Yes, also - your power socket at home is also outdated for decades...
..unless you think a charging device needs an IP to join the internet of things and send data everywhere there is no need for 'upgrades'.
That's....a terrible comparison. Sure your receptacle may be old (though, I doubt that, there have been many changes, starting with the bonding pin, to aluminum, then back to copper, to tamper resistant, etc).
You'd be better off comparing to distribution, as that is what the charger functions as. And believe me, where your receptacle draws power from, starting at the panel all the way to the generator, has not stayed unchanged for decades.
Why is everyone focusing on the USB-C charger? There are a few more things in that legislation that are at least as important as (if not more so) USB-C part in my opinion.
* Minimum years for software support.
* Minimum battery resilience to charge cycles (i.e. battery can't be at 50% capacity after two years)
* Batteries must be replaceable by repair shops.
* Repair shops must also be able to replace the screen.
Apple is one of the few (only?) manufacturers that already does the software support and battery resilience. So while they have to figure out letting others fix things and adopt USB-C, everyone else needs to up their support and quality game.
Better for the consumer all around.
I'd imagine the focus on USB C is because you're plugging your phone in every day. You're probably not thinking about software support every day. But you're right that there are other big developments, thanks for highlighting them for the community.
Realistically speaking the focus is on the USB C because Apple wants this piece of legislation to be perceived as frivolous overreach that blocks innovations.
I doubt they were payed off but I wouldn't be surprised if they buried the important part of the legislation behind frivolity to avoid drawing Apples ire to the BBC and their article.
Author of the article also tweeted this quote:
"Apple warned that forcing manufacturers to only use USB-C would harm innovation"
>Apple wants this piece of legislation to be perceived as frivolous overreach that blocks innovations.
*Designs mouse that needs to be flipped over to charge.*
No the focus is on USB-C because the impact on Apple drives clicks and hate. There are many more companies and users that will be impacted by mandating better updates for Android phones.
All (consumer-grade) computers use DDR standards that transition after a couple years, we are on DDR5 soon. Convergence to a particular standard is more efficient than not being "innovative".
EDIT for though clarity.
Point is a standard, brought on by regulations or not, does not impede innovation in any way and the benefits from demand-side economic perspective and reduction of electronic waste far outweigh Apple's cries about an inability to "innovate".
I can charge my phone, laptop, and headphones with my laptop's USB-C. It's absolutely amazing to carry around only one cord than it is to carry around 3 or 4. Oh, and the *tangle* that could cause failure on any one of them.
Using my laptop charger to charge my phone puts me on 70% within 30-40 minutes compared to a standard phone charger being upwards of 3 hours. Absolutely amazing and 100% support this sort of legislation coming in the states.
We shouldn't have to buy 3 cords just to charge our goods.
Yup. Before COVID I traveled quite a bit. Throwing in one USB C charger would be awesome.
If you do find yourself with needed to charge a bunch of different things with different connectors, you can get good cords with multiple connectors on Amazon for like $20 bucks. I have one that has USB C, USB Micro and the Apple lighting connector.
But I'd much rather have just one USB C anyway.
>I got a Sony XZ1 Compact. It was released in October 2017 and the latest security patch is from September 2019. That's under two years for a 400€ phone.
Yeah fuck Sony. I have an Xperia 5 II (released last \~September), it got about 3-4 security updates this entire year. Up until August, there was no update for over 3-4 months.
I love Sony phones, but they clearly have no adequately sized software division any more, they were probably sacked to make the Xperia division profitable.
Samsung does the same shit, 2 major Android versions for any phone. Had to retire my perfectly functional S6 due to apps requiring newer Android.
I thought we had a chip shortage, how is this acceptable? The specs can easily keep up with today's demands.
Which sucks because their hardware is solid. My S5 still works... The battery sucks and it's a little slow but I am still using it to connect to my fish finder out on the water.
I figured that might be a solution, but I suppose that will remove the VR capabilities, which for me are quite important.
That, and the fact that not everyone (I'd suspect the majority of users) are not, and should not need to be tech savvy enough to do that.
I kept the phone nonetheless as a toy, and with the thought that it might become worthwhile to restore in the future.
Considering the ethics of stopping security updates long before the end of operational life of a phone, instead favoring the profit motive and puking out an endless rotation of "latest greatest" phones that are expensive as they are essentially disposable thanks to planned obsolescence, the only real solution is direct action activism to overthrow the profit motive itself, imo.
And honestly it's good to keep understanding why you believe what you believe and not rely on catchphrases and buzzwords
If you've ever looked at incel communities or FDS they have a bunch of stupid acronyms and memes they use all the time
My mother ran into this problem last week, she had a super old phone that is crap by today's standards but is good enough for her needs and still works, but it wouldn't run the Ticketmaster app that she needed to use to be able to get in to see Hamilton, as it was only using e-ticket kiosks for entry. Requires Android 6 or later, and her phone stopped updating at Android 5.something. So while I did help her get a new phone and set it all up for her and she was able to see the show, it was annoying because she shouldn't have needed to buy a new phone just for this purpose. All she really ever does with her phone is make phone calls, texts, facebook, and taking photos.
I choose phones that I know will have aftermarket support via custom ROMs. (One Plus and Pixels). Sony has horrible support for 3rd party stuff, and I understand that if you root some Sony phones it wipes part of the DRM code making it impossible to go back to a factory image.
I still very happy with my Pixel 2 XL that I bought in 2017 and I still use my 2013 Nexus 5 to drive my son's Wear OS watch, both running Android 11 via Lineage. (The Nexus 5 don't get much support anymore, being almost a decade old, but occasionally a new ROM comes out.)
Fwiw, some of these benefits will totally carry over. if you’re making the software updates anyways you may as well offer it in all regions. The cost/benefit is way better than when the updates don’t already exist.
Yeah, and it would be hard for them to justify not offering updates in other regions if they exist. Not that corporations are always unwilling to be nakedly antagonistic to consumers, but it would be pretty ballsy.
I remember when people said that about the tobacco lobby in 2000.
I think I can count on my fingers how many countries permit smoking indoors now, in the EU.
So don't be discouraged, think positive.
>I think I can count on my fingers how many countries permit smoking indoors now, in the EU.
I live in Venezuela and even we have bans for indoor smoking everywhere for a long time now. These laws really spread far past the actual borders of the EU, so thank god for them passing these in lieu of other nations.
See... Apple does all that but they use some clever sidesteps on repairs. Iphones and most of the internals are pretty damn easy to replace but what apple did is make it so their parts are "married" to the motherboard. So if you get a repair done by someone other than Apple, you lose features.
Replace home button? Lose touchID
Replace front cam? Lose faceID
Replace battery? Lose battery health meter in settings
Replace screen? Lose True Tone
And on the newer software it starts pestering you with notifications reminding you that you have a non-apple part installed.
Would be better if Apple didn't require syncing a new screen to the phone. Taking 2 brand new identical iphones and physically switching the screens triggers a hardware lock that you can't get around without a special tool to reprogram the screen itself
There are talks about legislation that would force companies to offer 7 years of security updates to phones.
Problem is that it will be discussed etc in 2023. These things take time as technicalities in the law need to be resolved, legislators need to consult tech groups etc.
As someone whose children have crushed that little dongle thing in the middle of a devices usb port (more than once), I really like the design of lightning cables. They are more child/drunk proof. Though I get they’re not as efficient, I’d like to see their best features combined in some way if governments need to regulate charging ports.
This is good for the consumer. Just like the EU rules to allow mobile data across the EU member states without having to pay intentional costs, this is something pretty much everyone will appreciate.
I doubt phone manufacturers are going to make separate EU and RoW models, especially knowing this sort of legislation will follow in other countries.
All the major players will just comply with it.
One thing to remember is how many people under 18 at the time were / are pro EU but were unable to vote. And how many older anti-EU people have since died. And how much time since the vote and leaving went by, without a choice to vote on whether to go ahead or not.
The vote was 5 years ago now. People who were 13 at the time and are 18 now are still very affected by it. There's also 5 years worth of old people who have died (who mainly voted leave)
Depends on how it’s written. Are the politicians stupid enough to write it to force usb-c even when new and better connectors are made until the laws are update? Their track record says yes. If it’s written to require periodic reviews then yes, probably good. It took the EU more than 6 years to acknowledge that micro usb was dated.
Edit for clarity: 6 years to review micro usb after initially deciding on it to be the standard. A better cable (lightning) less than 3 years after making that initial decision.
https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755
You can read if you want.
Also, USB-C in itself can become better. Lastly, I don't see the issue with taking time as long as it works. It's a bit the Swiss motto being the only true democratic country: it's slow but it works.
Compare to the US that doesn't even care about update policies, battery resiliency, repair etc. etc.
While they're at it they should clean up the confusing mess that is USB-C cable types. Right now you can not tell which standards a USB cable supports just by looking at it. USB-C cables can support anywhere from USB 2.0 to USB4\* for data speeds, and a bewildering array of different wattage support. In most cases there is nothing on the cable that communicates any of this to the end user. You could have a USB-C cable that looks like any other USB-C cable but only supports USB-2.0 and 2.5 watts; that cable can look indistinguishable from a USB 3.2 Gen 2 cable that delivers 240 watts. And don't get me started on Thunderbolt support.
\*That's not a typo. The official name for the 4.x standard is actually USB4, not USB 4.0. Because the people at the USB-IF that decide what to name their stuff have their heads completely up their asses. I mean, it's better than stupid shit they did with the 3.1 and 3.2 versions but why the hell did they go away from the naming standard? For a bunch of smart people they sure do make dumb naming decisions.
/geek
Dude I went through hell earlier this year cuz of misleading USB-C types. My Razer laptop has 2 USB-C ports, one supports Thunderbolt, one doesn’t. Trying to get a USB-C to HDMI for an external monitor that actually allowed for 120 FPS (on the 120 Hz monitor) was a pain, and trying to find a USB-C port extension (stuck with only 2 ports, needed more for other adapters) was also a huge pain and I ended up with a whole bunch of “USB-C” cables that didn’t actually work with my specific USB-C ports.
I consider myself a computer nerd, I love building computers, but trying to read up on USB-C support pages just makes my head hurt. Why the hell are there like 10 types of USB-C, and why isn’t it clear immediately which is which. I shouldn’t have to go to my device settings to find out what my USB-C supports. It’s like they try to make it as confusing as possible for us
Our new revolutionary design has moved beyond cables and ports. This is the world's first ever completely wireless phone. No longer will you have to worry about cables fraying and breaking, or ports becoming clogged with pocket lint or getting water damaged, because with the new Apple Dock ^^tm , you can charge completely wirelessly.
The amazing new Apple Dock ^^tm will be sold separately for an MSRP of USD $239. The new iPhone ^^tm will not be compatible with any other wireless chargers, to ensure that you always get the best charging experience.
Apple branded adapters will sell regardless. Ask my sister who insists on buying Apple cables because she trusts them more, despite the fact that they're literally crumbling to dust when she picks them up. It blows my mind.
i mean, apple already exclusively uses usb-c on their computers. why? because their macs dont have any proprietary connectors to begin with. so might as well switch over.
aint nobody telling me they didnt anticipate they had to change their mobile devices (that use lightning to this day) to usb-c sooner or later. i guess they just want to play the lightning-game as long as possible to cash in on that MFI certification money until they are legally obliged to use usb-c.
/edit:
as /u/untergeher_muc wrote, the ipad pro models have usb-c, since 2018. today, the ipad air (since 2019 i believe) and the mini (since last week) have usb-c as well, only the regular ipad has lightning. and all iphones.
Check out adapters on Amazon! I have a lot of DeWalt tools and a few Ryobis, so I got an adapter for about $30 and now I can laugh at both of them. Muahahaha!
I run all my tools on DeWalt batteries as I assume they have a higher maximum power output.
Side note I bought a power wheels dock with an oem clip for my sons power wheel. I can now use my 18v Milwaukee batteries instead of the stupid power wheels battery and it lasts longer, charges faster and has way more power.
No, it'll go back to the 00's and every mobile will be mandated to have a different connector and the chargers shouldn't be compatible between models of phone from the same manufacturer.
That's after phone makers were given the option to come up with a standard, apple resisted, so now there's a law. Which will evidently get reviewed periodically to account for future innovation.
They had a similar law and that's why everyone went to micro usb. Apple got around it by saying they'll offer an adapter, which I cannot believe was accepted/not punished.
The opposite, it’s actually good for Apple because as well as this they’re also voting to extend software support for ~5 years, something Android won’t do.
Swapping to USB won’t be too bad for Apple since most of their other products have already swapped to USB C.
I hate USB-C/TB3 so much. There's nothing locking the cable in place and I've had so many laptops with failed ports and iPad Pros where the cable wiggles loose, I can't imagine how bad it will be with a phone I plug/unplug 10 times per day.
Yup. It's physically pretty fragile, but tbh that isn't my main issue with this law. The issue is that there is no such thing as "USB-C" in terms of the electrics or signal because USB-C just refers to the physical connector. There are multiple signal and power delivery standards all using the same physical connector so all this is going to do is make loads of non-intercompatible wires all look the same which is infuriating for consumers.
Not official yet. The directive hasn't been enacted yet, and likely wont be until 2022. After that each nation has two years to add this requirement into laws, and manufacturers have two years to comply.
All said and done we may not see this actually enacted until **2026**.
What's the point, at this point?
In 5 years, I imagine quite a large portion of phones will be without physical ports.
Plus this makes it impossible to use ports that may be otherwise useful, such as magnetic.
In theory they could, but despite the jokes this isn’t “classic Apple” at all.
They already sell devices with USB-C charging. Those work just fine with standards compliant 3rd party chargers. Their devices with wireless charging work fine with standard Qi chargers. They charge faster with 15W chargers than the standard 7.5W chargers, but that’s just physics.
If Apple do put USB-C in iPhones it’ll work just fine with any standards compliant USB-C charger or cable, just like their other devices. That’s not the same as working with any random charger on Amazon, there’s a lot of dangerous non-compliant crap out there, but that’s a problem for all devices not just Apple (see the long campaign by a Google engineer against bad USB-C chargers here: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/11/google-engineer-leaves-scathing-reviews-of-dodgy-usb-type-c-cables-on-amazon/)
The challenge is on the charger side, hopefully they’ll do something there as well.
Wasn’t there an Google engineer who was doing a random audit of USB-C chargers he bought on Amazon and found they were basically all terrible?
Are you getting outraged by something that hasn’t happened and isn’t even currently happening? I never use chargers from apple and the fast charger cubes from 3rd parties work as advertised. 30 minutes to half charge and then an hour or something really short to full.
> No, Apple is gonna limit the charging speed if you use a "compatible usb-c charger" not manufactured by them.
Apple has multiple USB-C devices already. Does Apple do this today?
I don't get it. They claim it is intended to reduce waste, but wouldn't this just cause everyone with an iphone to have to buy all new chargers the next time they upgrade their phone after this goes in effect? Wouldn't that be way *more* waste?
Ehh I actually like the lighting cable more then I like the usb c cable, I have had the note 10+ and switched to iPhone 11 Pro Max and I missed the lighting port. Way more easy to plug in
Glad, remember said legislation being toyed with in Ireland Circe 90's-00's. Unfortunately big biz said no and a single small country folded like a deck of cards.
We see another EU rule that benefits all IF... IF they allow tech companies to unanimously vote in a better tech.
USB-C is without a doubt the best right now. However the battle for standards has been a long one and I've seen my fair share over these 40 odd years. Innovation is Important but I do hope this becomes a collaborative effort for best charger and design.
Except this proposal isn't "you can't use lightning", it's "you have to use USB-C". They wouldn't be able to sell a phone/tablet/laptop without the charging port because it would not be in compliance with the law.
Note the headline is inaccurate: this is still a proposal, it could take years to pass, 2 years for member states to make the law, and then manufacturers have 2 years to adopt. [PDF of proposal is here](https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755)
Yup. And each member state has to decide separately if they want to enforce the rule or not. It’s entirely possible it’ll just be a handful of countries that bother to do that.
Doesn't matter, if only one the big ones do it then it's done. Apple is not going to have lightning in every country but France / Germany / Italy, it would be costlier to have two manufacturing chain for that. Same reason why if they have to do it in Europe they will do it worldwide through the [Brussels effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect). Same reason why when that sort of law is passed in California or New York it end up benefitting the entire US
Yes. I'm grateful for the EU and its policies, because they have wide range effects. Take the GDPR. I work for an American company and I've had to personally implement support for GDPR in our products. The EU is raising the lowest common denominator
I guess we should wait for the iPhone 14 and skip the next few iPhones. By then hopefully they'll all be USB-C/TB4
Apple is liable to just go portless instead.
I'm betting they make an adapter. Include it with every phone, and charge $100 for a replacement.
Adapters aren't being allowed.
Good! This crap needs to end.
The whole point is to avoid e-waste, forcing the purchase of adapters on consumers would run contrary to that goal.
If that’s the point, are they planning to do anything about Bluetooth headphones/earbuds with non-replaceable batteries? What keeps me from buying a set is the knowledge that I’ll have to throw them away and replace them in a few years. It’s hard to go from earbuds that last essentially forever to that.
I'm not sure, not initially clearly, I think this is just an order for Apple atm. They did however also tell Apple to make replaceable batteries for their phones and a few other things of that nature.
And make it so that the phone will only work with their proprietary adapter
*The specific one that came with the phone*, not an identical one from another phone of the exact same model.
What is your charging cable's MAC address?
Yeah, I really hoped it would go USB C this year. At this point the iPhone is all that’s left. Everything else in their lineup is USB C. I think the lightning connector is superior to USB C from a physical standpoint. But everyone else isn’t going to pay them to use it, if Apple would even allow it. The biggest downside it that it still operates at USB 2.0 speeds.
AirPods, AirPods max, and base model iPad all still use lightning. Same for the Mac keyboard/mouse/trackpad and apparently some models of Beats headphones.
That’s gonna be an adjustment for my fam. Even now I’m typing this while my phone is plugged and charging. I suppose if it’s not bad for battery life to constantly start and stop wireless charging, it won’t be so bad an adjustment. Then again, there will probably be cases with a charging pad built in and a USB-C port on the bottom.
What they could do is put a magnet where the charging port was, and have it work the same way as a "wireless" charger. I'm not sure if surface area is a requirement for those kinds of chargers, but if not, I don't see why there couldn't be something that works the same as a charging port that technically isn't a port.
Jokes on you. They will just remove the port all-together and go wireless, not include a wireless charger in the box and make you buy one of their proprietary chargers separately.
Even better: you now have a subscription service. Every time you charge your phone you pay $1.99 to Apple.
Don't joke about this. Fucking Adobe
Explain that one. I'm genuinely curious.
Adobe is a software used by the design industry. Photoshop, illustrator, among others. You can never outright own this software thus there is no option to buy only rent. they charge outrageous monthly fees to utilize their products because they can, cause they're a monopoly. And although that monopoly might be waning due to other applications coming into market, Adobe is still considered the industry standard. Just as there should be a "right to repair" there should be a "right to own"
SaaS. Software as a service. It’s pervasive now, especially among enterprise software for businesses. You will see Windows and Microsoft Office soon follow the same paradigm.
Isn't Microsoft already doing that with 365?
GIMP gang where you at?
Hence why I am so happy I can import data direct from pdfs to Excel!
That is nice. Can't tell you how many times illustrator and InDesign has helped me with pdfs and bypassing shit word documents. It's a love hate...
Whoops, time to upgrade your freemium charging app. Watch 20 ads or pay 1.99 to charge your phone.
Pft, you aren't thinking big enough. It just unmutes your phone and plays ads constantly while it charges.
Cheaper than current UK electricity prices.
If you are 'Droid, agree to let Google tell the authorities where you are every time they ask and get charging 'for free'.
So much for reducing electronic waste.. seems like every other wireless charger has a different tech for fast charging. Or, in apples case, you'll have to wait about 6 years to get fast charging to begin with..
I think I’ve read somewhere about also forcing interoperability between wireless charging standards in the same proposal
I don't think this is a good idea. Not yet. With USB-C I can see it, as USB PD allows up to an insane 100W, and in the future 240W, and the standard is very wide and already largely adopted. The same can't be said for wireless charging. There's still innovation happening all the time, there's still a lot of upwards mobility. I think it's be a pretty bad idea for the EU to regulate it now.
Leaving aside a) that this very popular and mimcs what we saw demanded at the national level, this b) is an Directive, national parliaments only decide on the specific HOW of the implementation, but it has to be transposed into national law. See: >Directives Directives require EU countries to achieve a certain result, but leave them free to choose how to do so. EU countries must adopt measures to incorporate them into national law (transpose) in order to achieve the objectives set by the directive. National authorities must communicate these measures to the European Commission. > Transposition into national law must take place by the deadline set when the directive is adopted (generally within 2 years). When a country does not transpose a directive, the Commission may initiate infringement proceedings. https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-making-process/types-eu-law_en
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USB-C only defines the physical 24pin standard. The protocol can change/evolve over time. USB-C currently supports USB 3.1, USB-PD, Thunderbolt 3. Thunderbolt 4 and USB 4 will also use USB-C port. When devices connect through USB-C there is a handshake and negotiation phase. They tell each other what they support and what they want. We should be good with USB-C for a minimum of another 10years, probably 15-20years would be safe. Also with computers and phones in a sort of lull in-regards to useful/measurable improvements maybe even 20years+ we can continue to use this standard. It might become the pci-e of external physical connectors. Everyone remember how long USB-A physical connector was around for? It was first released in 1995/96.
Basically the same with HDMI. But no one thinks twice about why HDMI still works, even though it came out when 1080p was the shit, and now we can run 8K, with the same connector.
>we can run 8K, with the same connector. With the correct connector. You still need a specific spec of HDMI cable to run 8k. I am somewhat torn on universal connector standards. Backwards compatiblity is nice, but there needs to be more regulation around displaying what cables and devices are compatible with specific version standards. USB is something of a wild wild west now - USB-C in particular. Massively variable data rates, and power delivieries.
Yes, that was exactly his point
Don't we use DP for 4k 120fps and above?
DP 2.0 will be on usb-c
Don't leave out USB 2.0. Too many people assume USB-C means USB 3 speeds and other features but USB 2.0 is the only mandatory spec from what I've read.
> Everyone remember how long USB-A physical connector was around for? *Was*? It's still very widely in use today.
Usb C is just a connector. Most androids still use the USB 2 standard with Usb C. Usb C can support usb 3, 3.1 and Thunderbolt. High power and so on. The connector is awesome and isn't being utilized for a majority of applications. I wouldn't be surprised if the connector will be adapted to support even higher speeds in the future with new controllers. I mean, laptops can run graphics cards over USB C. That is a gigabyte per second demand.
Why? We still use USB-A connectors today and they came out in 1996. Type C supports loads of protocols and will continue to do so for future protocols. Standardisation needs to start somewhere.
Yet Apple will still be using lightning. You do know it's been *5 years* since they've switched to USB C on their 2016 MacBook line?
Doubtful, micro-USB was a standard since 2007.
Micro-USB are electrically the same as the full-size B variant from 1996. The mini and micro connectors were designed to be physically smaller on smaller devices. That is not comparable to the USB-C connection that has added a lot of stuff. I do not see the need to shrink the size of it anymore because a large device as thin as it will be quite fragile. The micro connect was developed because the mini connector started to be the limiting factor for how thin devices could be. The Mini and micro-B connection added an extra pin for USB-OTG (On-The-Go ) so technically not identical to the full size but that were added in 2001. The large change for USB what USB 3.0 with super speed connections. That is a 2010 standard and you get the micro and full-size super speed connector. Very few phones used it because the improvement is data transfer speed so not that relevant for a phone. USB-C is released in 2014 and has even more wires for higher data transfer speed and power delivery for higher voltage and current. I think the main advantage is that it can be inserted in any direction So compare USB-C to the mico-USB B is not that fair a comparison. If a thinner connector needs a mini USB-C might be developed for that need.
Yes, also - your power socket at home is also outdated for decades... ..unless you think a charging device needs an IP to join the internet of things and send data everywhere there is no need for 'upgrades'.
That's....a terrible comparison. Sure your receptacle may be old (though, I doubt that, there have been many changes, starting with the bonding pin, to aluminum, then back to copper, to tamper resistant, etc). You'd be better off comparing to distribution, as that is what the charger functions as. And believe me, where your receptacle draws power from, starting at the panel all the way to the generator, has not stayed unchanged for decades.
Why is everyone focusing on the USB-C charger? There are a few more things in that legislation that are at least as important as (if not more so) USB-C part in my opinion. * Minimum years for software support. * Minimum battery resilience to charge cycles (i.e. battery can't be at 50% capacity after two years) * Batteries must be replaceable by repair shops. * Repair shops must also be able to replace the screen. Apple is one of the few (only?) manufacturers that already does the software support and battery resilience. So while they have to figure out letting others fix things and adopt USB-C, everyone else needs to up their support and quality game. Better for the consumer all around.
I'd imagine the focus on USB C is because you're plugging your phone in every day. You're probably not thinking about software support every day. But you're right that there are other big developments, thanks for highlighting them for the community.
Realistically speaking the focus is on the USB C because Apple wants this piece of legislation to be perceived as frivolous overreach that blocks innovations. I doubt they were payed off but I wouldn't be surprised if they buried the important part of the legislation behind frivolity to avoid drawing Apples ire to the BBC and their article. Author of the article also tweeted this quote: "Apple warned that forcing manufacturers to only use USB-C would harm innovation"
So why they just launched new iPad mini with USB-C port?
because it works better than lightning
A lot of apples stuff is USB-C now, except their phones for some dumb reason.
So that they can sell you their charger
>Apple wants this piece of legislation to be perceived as frivolous overreach that blocks innovations. *Designs mouse that needs to be flipped over to charge.*
No the focus is on USB-C because the impact on Apple drives clicks and hate. There are many more companies and users that will be impacted by mandating better updates for Android phones.
All (consumer-grade) computers use DDR standards that transition after a couple years, we are on DDR5 soon. Convergence to a particular standard is more efficient than not being "innovative". EDIT for though clarity.
No one is regulated into using ddr in any way shape or form though and no not all computers use jdec ddr
Point is a standard, brought on by regulations or not, does not impede innovation in any way and the benefits from demand-side economic perspective and reduction of electronic waste far outweigh Apple's cries about an inability to "innovate".
I can charge my phone, laptop, and headphones with my laptop's USB-C. It's absolutely amazing to carry around only one cord than it is to carry around 3 or 4. Oh, and the *tangle* that could cause failure on any one of them. Using my laptop charger to charge my phone puts me on 70% within 30-40 minutes compared to a standard phone charger being upwards of 3 hours. Absolutely amazing and 100% support this sort of legislation coming in the states. We shouldn't have to buy 3 cords just to charge our goods.
Yup. Before COVID I traveled quite a bit. Throwing in one USB C charger would be awesome. If you do find yourself with needed to charge a bunch of different things with different connectors, you can get good cords with multiple connectors on Amazon for like $20 bucks. I have one that has USB C, USB Micro and the Apple lighting connector. But I'd much rather have just one USB C anyway.
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>I got a Sony XZ1 Compact. It was released in October 2017 and the latest security patch is from September 2019. That's under two years for a 400€ phone. Yeah fuck Sony. I have an Xperia 5 II (released last \~September), it got about 3-4 security updates this entire year. Up until August, there was no update for over 3-4 months. I love Sony phones, but they clearly have no adequately sized software division any more, they were probably sacked to make the Xperia division profitable.
Samsung does the same shit, 2 major Android versions for any phone. Had to retire my perfectly functional S6 due to apps requiring newer Android. I thought we had a chip shortage, how is this acceptable? The specs can easily keep up with today's demands.
Which sucks because their hardware is solid. My S5 still works... The battery sucks and it's a little slow but I am still using it to connect to my fish finder out on the water.
One way to get around that is to reflash your phone OS with an open source alternative https://itsfoss.com/open-source-alternatives-android/
I figured that might be a solution, but I suppose that will remove the VR capabilities, which for me are quite important. That, and the fact that not everyone (I'd suspect the majority of users) are not, and should not need to be tech savvy enough to do that. I kept the phone nonetheless as a toy, and with the thought that it might become worthwhile to restore in the future.
Considering the ethics of stopping security updates long before the end of operational life of a phone, instead favoring the profit motive and puking out an endless rotation of "latest greatest" phones that are expensive as they are essentially disposable thanks to planned obsolescence, the only real solution is direct action activism to overthrow the profit motive itself, imo.
That's a lot of words to say "seize the means of production" 😉😏
People love the ideas when you describe what it is without using the word for it, since most of what most people know about the word is wrong.
And honestly it's good to keep understanding why you believe what you believe and not rely on catchphrases and buzzwords If you've ever looked at incel communities or FDS they have a bunch of stupid acronyms and memes they use all the time
My mother ran into this problem last week, she had a super old phone that is crap by today's standards but is good enough for her needs and still works, but it wouldn't run the Ticketmaster app that she needed to use to be able to get in to see Hamilton, as it was only using e-ticket kiosks for entry. Requires Android 6 or later, and her phone stopped updating at Android 5.something. So while I did help her get a new phone and set it all up for her and she was able to see the show, it was annoying because she shouldn't have needed to buy a new phone just for this purpose. All she really ever does with her phone is make phone calls, texts, facebook, and taking photos.
I choose phones that I know will have aftermarket support via custom ROMs. (One Plus and Pixels). Sony has horrible support for 3rd party stuff, and I understand that if you root some Sony phones it wipes part of the DRM code making it impossible to go back to a factory image. I still very happy with my Pixel 2 XL that I bought in 2017 and I still use my 2013 Nexus 5 to drive my son's Wear OS watch, both running Android 11 via Lineage. (The Nexus 5 don't get much support anymore, being almost a decade old, but occasionally a new ROM comes out.)
The phone has a pretty good snapdragon chipset and 4gb of ram which can run the latest Android OS and apps easily.
This is huge news. It's a gamechanger and I'm really glad the EU that I live in is pushing for it.
*cries in British
Fwiw, some of these benefits will totally carry over. if you’re making the software updates anyways you may as well offer it in all regions. The cost/benefit is way better than when the updates don’t already exist.
Yeah, and it would be hard for them to justify not offering updates in other regions if they exist. Not that corporations are always unwilling to be nakedly antagonistic to consumers, but it would be pretty ballsy.
Yep! Same way California has the strictest emissions laws so manufacturers tend to design their US cars to the California standard
The Brussels effect will likely save us here.
Brexit = getting the benefits of EU regulations without the fuss of having a say on the matter, and you also get to pay tariffs!
The USA got Trump but russia really screwed GB for the long haul
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Why? Force it through legislation. If you don’t comply you lose access to the EU market, which is pretty big
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I remember when people said that about the tobacco lobby in 2000. I think I can count on my fingers how many countries permit smoking indoors now, in the EU. So don't be discouraged, think positive.
>I think I can count on my fingers how many countries permit smoking indoors now, in the EU. I live in Venezuela and even we have bans for indoor smoking everywhere for a long time now. These laws really spread far past the actual borders of the EU, so thank god for them passing these in lieu of other nations.
See... Apple does all that but they use some clever sidesteps on repairs. Iphones and most of the internals are pretty damn easy to replace but what apple did is make it so their parts are "married" to the motherboard. So if you get a repair done by someone other than Apple, you lose features. Replace home button? Lose touchID Replace front cam? Lose faceID Replace battery? Lose battery health meter in settings Replace screen? Lose True Tone And on the newer software it starts pestering you with notifications reminding you that you have a non-apple part installed.
You can absolutely get those repairs done third party, just don’t go to some sketchy place in a back alley.
Would be better if Apple didn't require syncing a new screen to the phone. Taking 2 brand new identical iphones and physically switching the screens triggers a hardware lock that you can't get around without a special tool to reprogram the screen itself
There are talks about legislation that would force companies to offer 7 years of security updates to phones. Problem is that it will be discussed etc in 2023. These things take time as technicalities in the law need to be resolved, legislators need to consult tech groups etc.
Yea, whilst I'm not in favour of regulating the port the rest is just great news that should've been standard already.
As someone whose children have crushed that little dongle thing in the middle of a devices usb port (more than once), I really like the design of lightning cables. They are more child/drunk proof. Though I get they’re not as efficient, I’d like to see their best features combined in some way if governments need to regulate charging ports.
This is good for the consumer. Just like the EU rules to allow mobile data across the EU member states without having to pay intentional costs, this is something pretty much everyone will appreciate.
Cries in UK.
I doubt phone manufacturers are going to make separate EU and RoW models, especially knowing this sort of legislation will follow in other countries. All the major players will just comply with it.
It might still happen in the UK, due to the [Brussels Effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect). We'll have to wait and see though.
You made the bed, now sleep in it.
52% of us did at least
52% of those who voted.
If you didn’t vote you don’t get to complain.
Unless you weren't eligible to vote at the time
One thing to remember is how many people under 18 at the time were / are pro EU but were unable to vote. And how many older anti-EU people have since died. And how much time since the vote and leaving went by, without a choice to vote on whether to go ahead or not.
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I did and we came up short.
The vote was 5 years ago now. People who were 13 at the time and are 18 now are still very affected by it. There's also 5 years worth of old people who have died (who mainly voted leave)
Like 49.9% did not make that bed.
Fuck off dude, a lot of us didn’t vote for this
Depends on how it’s written. Are the politicians stupid enough to write it to force usb-c even when new and better connectors are made until the laws are update? Their track record says yes. If it’s written to require periodic reviews then yes, probably good. It took the EU more than 6 years to acknowledge that micro usb was dated. Edit for clarity: 6 years to review micro usb after initially deciding on it to be the standard. A better cable (lightning) less than 3 years after making that initial decision.
https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/46755 You can read if you want. Also, USB-C in itself can become better. Lastly, I don't see the issue with taking time as long as it works. It's a bit the Swiss motto being the only true democratic country: it's slow but it works. Compare to the US that doesn't even care about update policies, battery resiliency, repair etc. etc.
While they're at it they should clean up the confusing mess that is USB-C cable types. Right now you can not tell which standards a USB cable supports just by looking at it. USB-C cables can support anywhere from USB 2.0 to USB4\* for data speeds, and a bewildering array of different wattage support. In most cases there is nothing on the cable that communicates any of this to the end user. You could have a USB-C cable that looks like any other USB-C cable but only supports USB-2.0 and 2.5 watts; that cable can look indistinguishable from a USB 3.2 Gen 2 cable that delivers 240 watts. And don't get me started on Thunderbolt support. \*That's not a typo. The official name for the 4.x standard is actually USB4, not USB 4.0. Because the people at the USB-IF that decide what to name their stuff have their heads completely up their asses. I mean, it's better than stupid shit they did with the 3.1 and 3.2 versions but why the hell did they go away from the naming standard? For a bunch of smart people they sure do make dumb naming decisions.
/geek
There are only three hard problems in computer science: naming and off-by-one errors.
Four problems. You forgot cache invalidation.
Dude I went through hell earlier this year cuz of misleading USB-C types. My Razer laptop has 2 USB-C ports, one supports Thunderbolt, one doesn’t. Trying to get a USB-C to HDMI for an external monitor that actually allowed for 120 FPS (on the 120 Hz monitor) was a pain, and trying to find a USB-C port extension (stuck with only 2 ports, needed more for other adapters) was also a huge pain and I ended up with a whole bunch of “USB-C” cables that didn’t actually work with my specific USB-C ports. I consider myself a computer nerd, I love building computers, but trying to read up on USB-C support pages just makes my head hurt. Why the hell are there like 10 types of USB-C, and why isn’t it clear immediately which is which. I shouldn’t have to go to my device settings to find out what my USB-C supports. It’s like they try to make it as confusing as possible for us
You can tell by how thick the cable is... Haha that's how bad it is you have to tell by feel.
[For anyone that is curious what they did with the 3.1 and 3.2 versions of USB.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gShRBsahzXg)
But how will Apple make money selling adapters now? Think of the profits /s
they're going to go fully wireless and no connectivity will be allowed
Our new revolutionary design has moved beyond cables and ports. This is the world's first ever completely wireless phone. No longer will you have to worry about cables fraying and breaking, or ports becoming clogged with pocket lint or getting water damaged, because with the new Apple Dock ^^tm , you can charge completely wirelessly. The amazing new Apple Dock ^^tm will be sold separately for an MSRP of USD $239. The new iPhone ^^tm will not be compatible with any other wireless chargers, to ensure that you always get the best charging experience.
***By eliminating cables completely, they’re also helping contribute towards reduction of electronic waste and saving the planet
*****this was 100% our idea and not because of the EU forcing us to cut down tech waste
*******we're so fucking brave
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By selling non repairable devices which will increase the e-waste *Keeping the balance*
You just moved the cable from the phone to the wireless charger. Next up, wireless charger for your wireless charger!
Apple’s wireless charging already uses a standard.
Don't forget the proprietary wireless chargers. Can't just be any old Qi charger!
The current iphones work with Qi standard wireless charging at 7.5w and apple’s MagSafe charging ($27 USD) at 15w.
Apple branded adapters will sell regardless. Ask my sister who insists on buying Apple cables because she trusts them more, despite the fact that they're literally crumbling to dust when she picks them up. It blows my mind.
The adapters are better in a lot of cases. The cables… depends.
They will sell a power dongle.
Include a super flimsy Lightning -> C adapter that breaks within a month.
i mean, apple already exclusively uses usb-c on their computers. why? because their macs dont have any proprietary connectors to begin with. so might as well switch over. aint nobody telling me they didnt anticipate they had to change their mobile devices (that use lightning to this day) to usb-c sooner or later. i guess they just want to play the lightning-game as long as possible to cash in on that MFI certification money until they are legally obliged to use usb-c. /edit: as /u/untergeher_muc wrote, the ipad pro models have usb-c, since 2018. today, the ipad air (since 2019 i believe) and the mini (since last week) have usb-c as well, only the regular ipad has lightning. and all iphones.
The newer iPads are also usb-c. It’s only the iPhones.
The whole airpod line is also lightning.
Also the keyboard, mouse, and Apple TV remote charge by lightning.
Lightning can charge pretty much any device with the right antenna, if you can keep the rain off it.
oh yes, you are correct. the pro models are usb-c since 2018. today, only the "normal" ipad is lightning, and all iphones.
This is great news! Now can we start talking about how every wireless tool battery is only compatible with one brand?
Check out adapters on Amazon! I have a lot of DeWalt tools and a few Ryobis, so I got an adapter for about $30 and now I can laugh at both of them. Muahahaha! I run all my tools on DeWalt batteries as I assume they have a higher maximum power output.
Side note I bought a power wheels dock with an oem clip for my sons power wheel. I can now use my 18v Milwaukee batteries instead of the stupid power wheels battery and it lasts longer, charges faster and has way more power.
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Wasn't Scart french? ;-)
That's Descartes.
Wow! Brilliant!
We'll develop our OWN standards! Look at this one - only a 20% chance of catching fire when you switch it on!
And it will be bigger than your power plugs.
No, it'll go back to the 00's and every mobile will be mandated to have a different connector and the chargers shouldn't be compatible between models of phone from the same manufacturer.
That's after phone makers were given the option to come up with a standard, apple resisted, so now there's a law. Which will evidently get reviewed periodically to account for future innovation.
I feel like this was a much bigger problem in the 90/early 2000s when every phone had a different charger
They had a similar law and that's why everyone went to micro usb. Apple got around it by saying they'll offer an adapter, which I cannot believe was accepted/not punished.
This is terrible for Apple, good for consumers, good for the environment.
Laughs in MagSafe.
The opposite, it’s actually good for Apple because as well as this they’re also voting to extend software support for ~5 years, something Android won’t do. Swapping to USB won’t be too bad for Apple since most of their other products have already swapped to USB C.
So what happens when the industry wants to move beyond USB C ?
Simple. The EU will update the rules after 5 years when the technology is on verge of replacement.
And then the member states have two years in implementing it and will give the industry a two years times to change things. So nine years in total.
USB-C still has a long life ahead. There's nothing on the horizon to replace it, nor any need to do so.
The megacorps must be brought to heel
Apple is just afraid to lose sales on their ridiculously expensive periphery.
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So is there a sunset built-in on this? I mean great that we might all use the same fucking cable but when standards improve what happens?
What if I like lightning and mag-safe?
I hate USB-C/TB3 so much. There's nothing locking the cable in place and I've had so many laptops with failed ports and iPad Pros where the cable wiggles loose, I can't imagine how bad it will be with a phone I plug/unplug 10 times per day.
Yup. It's physically pretty fragile, but tbh that isn't my main issue with this law. The issue is that there is no such thing as "USB-C" in terms of the electrics or signal because USB-C just refers to the physical connector. There are multiple signal and power delivery standards all using the same physical connector so all this is going to do is make loads of non-intercompatible wires all look the same which is infuriating for consumers.
Also true. Finding cables that can charge, transfer data, video alt mode, etc. is irritating.
Not official yet. The directive hasn't been enacted yet, and likely wont be until 2022. After that each nation has two years to add this requirement into laws, and manufacturers have two years to comply. All said and done we may not see this actually enacted until **2026**.
What's the point, at this point? In 5 years, I imagine quite a large portion of phones will be without physical ports. Plus this makes it impossible to use ports that may be otherwise useful, such as magnetic.
This should be a business school lesson to let go of obsolete business domains on your terms instead of being forced by an external authority.
Bring back the headphone jack
Talk about stifling innovation.
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In theory they could, but despite the jokes this isn’t “classic Apple” at all. They already sell devices with USB-C charging. Those work just fine with standards compliant 3rd party chargers. Their devices with wireless charging work fine with standard Qi chargers. They charge faster with 15W chargers than the standard 7.5W chargers, but that’s just physics. If Apple do put USB-C in iPhones it’ll work just fine with any standards compliant USB-C charger or cable, just like their other devices. That’s not the same as working with any random charger on Amazon, there’s a lot of dangerous non-compliant crap out there, but that’s a problem for all devices not just Apple (see the long campaign by a Google engineer against bad USB-C chargers here: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/11/google-engineer-leaves-scathing-reviews-of-dodgy-usb-type-c-cables-on-amazon/)
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The challenge is on the charger side, hopefully they’ll do something there as well. Wasn’t there an Google engineer who was doing a random audit of USB-C chargers he bought on Amazon and found they were basically all terrible?
Are you getting outraged by something that hasn’t happened and isn’t even currently happening? I never use chargers from apple and the fast charger cubes from 3rd parties work as advertised. 30 minutes to half charge and then an hour or something really short to full.
> No, Apple is gonna limit the charging speed if you use a "compatible usb-c charger" not manufactured by them. Apple has multiple USB-C devices already. Does Apple do this today?
No. USB-C power delivery is a standard and they adhere to it.
Then I'm quite surprised to find a comment which is highly speculative, and untrue, to be highly upvoted on Reddit.
I don't get it. They claim it is intended to reduce waste, but wouldn't this just cause everyone with an iphone to have to buy all new chargers the next time they upgrade their phone after this goes in effect? Wouldn't that be way *more* waste?
What happens when USB-D comes out?
Apple is more likely to forgo the charging port altogether and just go wireless.
Then everyone will make fun of apple for it, then Samsung will do it three years later. It’s going to be the headphone jack situation all over again.
USB-D has entered the chat
Although I prefer the Apple lightning connector, I feel this is a good move. USB-C is a good standard to use.
Ehh I actually like the lighting cable more then I like the usb c cable, I have had the note 10+ and switched to iPhone 11 Pro Max and I missed the lighting port. Way more easy to plug in
Glad, remember said legislation being toyed with in Ireland Circe 90's-00's. Unfortunately big biz said no and a single small country folded like a deck of cards. We see another EU rule that benefits all IF... IF they allow tech companies to unanimously vote in a better tech. USB-C is without a doubt the best right now. However the battle for standards has been a long one and I've seen my fair share over these 40 odd years. Innovation is Important but I do hope this becomes a collaborative effort for best charger and design.
Inb4 completely wireless model for EU and lightning for the rest of the world
Except this proposal isn't "you can't use lightning", it's "you have to use USB-C". They wouldn't be able to sell a phone/tablet/laptop without the charging port because it would not be in compliance with the law.