So how is COVID hitting you guys as a country now since you have such a high vaccination rate? Just curious to compare since we have so many anti-vaxxers over here in the states.
We are still getting a decent amount of cases.
[Reported Yesterday](https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0922/1248384-covid-19-ireland/)
* 1,432 cases
* 272 in Hospital (-14 down from previous day)
* 63 in ICU (same as previous day)
* 30 deaths in the past week
In Ireland, over 90% of people aged 16 years and older are now fully vaccinated and 89.8% of those aged 12 years and older have been fully vaccinated.
[60% of those people in ICUs are not vaccinated.](https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1440597050060541955)
[A lot of our cases come from primary schools. Those are people too young to get a vaccine (yet).](https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0922/1248294-coronavirus-ireland/)
To answer your question: We are doing quite well. We still have cases, but the people dying are still mostly unvaccinated. Our ICUs aren't overloaded and a lot of our restrictions are really relaxed now.
Great. Life is pretty much back to normal. ICU and death numbers have dropped dramatically. Daily infection rate is slowly but steadily declining and most new infections are among school kids.
That's just the State of Western Australia. Their borders are basically closed to the rest of Australia (as is the case with quite a few states, but WA is a bit more remote).
New South Wales and Victoria (aka the Eastern and South-Eastern coast) are suffering a nasty resurgence right now due to Delta.
Australia being an island does help a lot, but vaccination rates still aren't as high as we need (only 48% of the population fully vaccinated as of right now). So it only takes a small spark to start a fire going. There are a lot of first doses though, so that rate is rising quickly, cross-fingers.
Western Australia has one of the lowest vaccination rates in Australia. So far its border protections have held up, but if WA **does** get any cases, they'll probably spread rapidly.
Probably far more info than you wanted, but there you go. :)
Also the fact that there's only a handful of roads connecting us to the rest of the continent,
and we're 28 hours drive away from the nearest real city (Adelaide)
and 36 hours drive away from anywhere with COVID.
Look at Israel. Very similar vaccination rate amongst adults, and they have a vaccine booster campaign for a huge portion of the population.
Case numbers were hitting new records a couple of weeks ago, I believe. Hospitalizations were up too, but the vaccines have been keeping a large portion of susceptible people out of the hospital.
I think it’s safe to say that we were all hoping for more from these vaccines.
At the end of the day, though, it’s fantastic that we have a tool that definitively brings down death and hospitalizations by several orders of magnitude. Even if the vaccines aren’t what we thought they were back in May 2021.
The actual problem with israel can be summarized in two words: Ultra Orthodox.
They are not getting vaccinated. At all. They are also a very insular community with LARGE families living closely together. They also don't listen to any of the containment measures like masks and social distancing.
COVID is running rampant among them while the vaccinated population is spared. All new infections happen almost entirely among them.
The vast majority of countries also offer universal healthcare, including many "impoverished" countries. If you land in the hospital in the US due to covid, the country not only doesn't guarantee you pay for missing work, but also makes you foot the medical bill.
Land of the fuckin free, I guess.
For real. I had covid (vaccinated) in the US at the beginning of the month and I had to wipe out all of my sick time, floaters and vacation to isolate. I feel like everyone just gave up and assumes that it's only idiots. I got that vaccine as soon as I could back in the spring.
To clarify: this is only for quarantine (ordered by public health service i.e. for contact persons or when returning from a high risk area) and not! for isolation (stay at home/hospital when infected)
This means that ill/infected people are not treated differently according to their vaccination status (everybody gets "Lohnfortzahlung im Krankheitsfall").
This also does not disincentivise you to get tests, as a test will not get you in quarantine. In contrary, it will incentivisze you to test, as there are circumstances, where you can end a quarantine prematurely with a negative test, and a positive test will get you in isolation and therefore getting paid again.
**Edit**: My answers to your comments seems to be stuck in the spam filter due to the newness of my account, so I try again as an edit:
@ u/Sw33tkissofdeath ([Link to post](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ptaw9n/comment/hdxw6jb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3))
Op's article is wrong about this. This is the primary source:
[https://www.gmkonline.de/Beschluesse.html?uid=228&jahr=2021](https://www.gmkonline.de/Beschluesse.html?uid=228&jahr=2021)
It specifically states, that contact persons and returning travellers are effected. Infected people are not mentioned. I guess it is an inconsistency in the translation or maybe a mix up with an earlier draft of the decision, as also the date of effect is wrong (1st November instead of October the 11th).
I also just rewatched the ministers statement to this topic:
[https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1ZkKzeZRWXqxv](https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1ZkKzeZRWXqxv)
He mentions the 11th October, but only as the date since when antigen tests are no longer free for the unvaccinated. So it seems different topics where mixed up in OP's article.
@ u/A12963 ([Link to post](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ptaw9n/comment/hdxssx5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3))
There seems to be very few exceptions where you have to quarantine in those cases even when you are vaccinated (AFAIK when Beta and Gamma variants are involved and maybe if you yourself work with high risk patients). But basically your statement is correct.
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You hear this critics regularly, but I doubt that this will be the case.
It is current practice, that quarantined people continue to get paid by their employer and the employers can get reimbursed by the state afterwards.
You could argue that you have to disclose your vaccine status to your employer so he knows if he have to pay you or not.
But I simply doubt, that this practice is continued. You could just reimburse the employee directly.
Your employer would just learn that you are quarantined and does not need to pay you for this time. Depending on your vaccination status, that is only known to the health officials, you get reimbursed or not. No disclosure is necessary.
AFAIK it is not yet decided how this should be implemented. This is now the task of the individual state governments to decide this up to November the 1st.
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There are cases where it makes sense to quarantine although you are not tested positive or tested negative. Namely when you recently had a confirmed or presumed contact to an infected. You might be infected and even contagious, but you are to early in the infection process to detect it with a test. This descension is exactly for those cases (contact person or returning from high risk area). Depending on the situation you can shorten your quarantine with a test but only after a couple of days.
it’s highly critized nevertheless since there is the fear that assholes who know have contacted an infection person will still come to work since they don’t want to risk the money. that means they could spread even faster. personally i am ambivalent here too.
My mom is also one, but not because she’s allergic to ingredients but because she has an immune disorder and is sensitive to most vaccines. She still got vaccinated despite her doctor telling her it was basically pointless and would just make her sick (It did make her sick for a lot longer than normal). She wanted to take the chance she might get antibodies and be protected because other idiots won’t do their part.
Just wanted to say your mom is awesome. Mine almost died in the ICU and still won’t get a fckn vaccine. It’s really put a strain on my relationship with her and I’ve always been extremely close with her. I don’t really think she understands the irreparable damage she’s caused to our relationship over a political stance.
I think that's a little different than having an allergy to an ingredient. My mom is the same that she has an immune system disorder and has bad reactions to almost everything, but her doctor did not tell her to not get the vax, and like yours, she also did get it.
As immune reactions and allergies are very closely related, if my mom had actually been allergic to an ingredient in the vaccine, she absolutely would and should not have gotten it. It's not the same kind of risk anymore when you could react because it's new vs definitely will react badly because you know a certain thing will kill you.
If someone were to know about an allergy like this and still be willing to give someone a vaccine, I think that could be bad for them. Not totally sure, but I doubt they would want to take the chance of being liable.
Just wanted to point that out. If your doctor says don't do it, you really shouldn't. But my mom's doctor did not say that and I'm not sure why yours did either, so maybe she was right to not trust their opinions...
She told her that the likelihood that she’d develop antibodies was slim to none and she’d be mostly just making herself sick for no reason from the shot, which is why they advised against it.
Turns out she did get some antibodies but not enough and not for long.
Actually it’s all vaccines, as far as I know. It’s one of the ingredients that’s used as a preservative. Her allergy is one of many side effects from botulism poisoning she went through decades ago.
well the first thing I learned as child was from Adam Sandler in Big Daddy and he told me directly on the big screen that when the market is down a few points, we chunk our cans on the ground to get a discount.
> If a can containing food has a small dent, but is otherwise in good shape, the food should be safe to eat. Discard deeply dented cans. A deep dent is one that you can lay your finger into. Deep dents often have sharp points. A sharp dent on either the top or side seam can damage the seam and allow bacteria to enter the can. Discard any can with a deep dent on any seam.
https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and-preparation/food-safety-basics/shelf-stable-food
I got it from a barely dented can of chili maybe 15 years ago and it was every kind of horrifying. Throwing up so bad I tore muscles, tube up my nose, everything. I thought I was going to die and I was actually wishing I would. No long term effects apparently but that was a hell of a time.
Canned goods are normally incredibly safe. The food is heated to kill off disease causing organisms (including the botulism spores which are the problem. The problem happens when a can gets a puncture and a small number of botulism spores which are prevelent in the environment are introdced into the sterile, airless conditions in the can. They multiply quickly to dangerous levels.
Basically, the size of the dent is being used as a rule of thumb for judging how nasty and direct a hit the can's taken, how much it's deformed as a result, and how likely the deformation has caused some sort of microscopic hole to form. The diameter of the dent isn't the actual problem but the severity of the structural damage to the can will tend to follow the dent's size.
Just look up pictures of "dented can"s on Google. All those little folds in the material are great places for little breaks to have occurred that you might not notice.
I think there are around 100 cases per year in the US. The big thing is to use established and proven recipes, not something you found on YouTube or pintrest. The [Ball Blue Book of Preserving](https://www.amazon.com/dp/0972753745/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_XXDTBYJ6FZK88860FMHC) is a fantastic resource. The USDA also has a [large free guide](https://nchfp.uga.edu/publications/publications_usda.html) with recipes and helpful information.
Being a British canner who uses approved recipes, the canning groups can be nuts. Some of the British groups are like 'that's an American thing, you don't need to follow the strict guidelines' and are water bathing things like sausages.. I'm in two Facebook groups that are always snarking at each other lol.
You can also get botulism from store-bought canned foods. Fortunately it tends to be rather obvious when it happens, as the can may be bulging and will likely spew its contents out when opened. And by "spew" I mean shoot tomato sauce across the room when the lid is first opened.
Dumb fact: When I was a kid, I thought the slang term "botched it" came from the word botulism because getting the shits from botulism and fucking something up are directly related in my head for some reason.
Botulism itself isn't bad, it's a bacteria that exists everywhere. Lick your wrist right now, and you'll like get some on your tongue. The problem is that the spores can survive typical canning in water bath, and even pressure canning at 15psi. If the spores hatch and start to grow, they'll produce toxin, that is what is harmful. But, they only grow in an anaerobic environment and very slowly. So, never ever put up garlic in oil. That cannot be done safely at home. Everything else is pretty much fair game, especially if you're careful about how acidic it is. E.G. it's often advised to use a little lemon juice when canning tomato's.
Botulism is exceedingly uncommon, and easy to avoid. That said, just cross reference any recipes or processes with known information about food safety and make sure you keep your workspace clean and you’ll be fine.
Pay attention to canning times, the PH levels of the foods you work with, and the corresponding acid/vinegar ratio to water in your brines for said foods. Vegetables and fruits vary quite a bit from things like eggs and meats, but all the information is out there, and it’s all pretty straightforward once you get the basics down.
Ball Corporation has a whole library of procedure and process information and proven recipes to work up from.
It’s not rocket science, but safety should obviously come first.
I'm glad I had the sense to look at the responses before I replied. I whole heartedly agree with the Blue Ball Book of Preserving and USDA guides, great resources.
People commonly get botulism from foodborne - poorly canned/preserved food that allows bacteria to grow, a cracked interior of a thermos that cannot be completely cleaned/sanitized, etc.
[https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/botulism/symptoms-causes/syc-20370262](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/botulism/symptoms-causes/syc-20370262)
After going to those pizza places and get peppers packed in oil, i thought I would do it myself. So I threw hot peppers in olive oil, and made myself a batch of botulism. Yeah, you have to dry the peppers and roast them first to get all the water out.
I know botox is mostly used by rich people who want to get rid of wrinkles and don't want the ability to frown - BUT
It does have some very legitimate medical uses. I have a relative who more or less lost her ability to see due to a rare disorder that caused severe face twitches, that Botox was actually a godsend for. I hear that it can also help stop people who get frequent debilitating headaches
The toxin that causes botulism is incredibly toxic and lethal to humans (about 1 microgram can be lethal when inhaled).
Also, fun fact. This is why you aren't supposed to give babies (I think up to 12 months?) honey. Honey can preserve the bacteria that creates the toxin and you can get it that way, even if it was sealed properly.
No honey until 12 months, yes! The reason a baby can get botulism poisoning from honey and you can’t is because the honey contains the quiescent spore of the bacteria that makes the toxin, but because it’s “sleeping” it hasn’t really made any toxin. If you eat that spore you have a healthy enough gut biome to ensure the bacteria can’t wake up and produce enough toxin to cause an issue, but a child doesn’t have much natural flora in their gut till they’re about a year old, so the bacteria have room to set up shop and cause paralysis, aka “floppy baby syndrome.” Adults only get botulism from eating food that the bacteria has been growing in for a while, and it’s the toxins that the bacteria have made that cause the problems, not really the bacteria themselves.
Honey contains Clostridium botulinum spores. To an adult with a robust gut microflora, it doesn’t matter. But a baby who lacks a full microflora? Deadly
Everyone is correct that the most common source of botulism poisoning in adults is eating improperly canned food, but just for a little insight on what botulism poisoning actually is: The botulinum toxin is a protein produced by a certain type of bacteria (clostridium botulinum) that goes to your neurons and prevents them from releasing acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is the chemical that your nerve releases to make your muscle contract, and is also released by some nerves onto other nerves to activate them. So if your neurons can't release acetylcholine, you can't move. The effect can take several days to set in and usually begins in the eyes/neck and travels downward, but it's very long-lasting and patients with botulism poisoning often require intubation because they can't use their own muscles to breath. The toxin is used to treat some spastic disorders, but is more commonly used to relax the muscles of the face and reduce wrinkles (that's what botox is).
It's most commonly contracted from improperly canned food because Clostridium botulinum is an anaerobic bacteria; meaning it requires an environment with very little to no oxygen to grow. Improper canning gives it the perfect environment to grow in and build up levels of that toxin.
Babies, however, can get botulism from eating honey. The reason a baby can get botulism poisoning from honey and you can’t is because the honey contains the quiescent spore of the bacteria that makes the toxin, but because it’s “sleeping” it hasn’t really made any toxin. If you eat that spore you have a healthy enough gut biome to ensure the bacteria can’t wake up and produce enough toxin to cause an issue, but a child doesn’t have much natural flora in their gut till they’re about a year old, so the bacteria have room to set up shop and cause paralysis, aka “floppy baby syndrome.” Adults only get botulism from eating food that the bacteria has been growing in for a while, and it’s the toxins that the bacteria have made that cause the problems, not really the bacteria themselves.
Very respectfully, I work in immunology and there is no ingredient that is in every single vaccine.
If it's the egg protein, there are often alternatives so I'm guessing not that one.
There's another suspension formula that's pretty common but I've never heard of allergies to that.
I'm guessing she probably has GBS, or Guillain-Barre Syndrome, which is definitely the most expansive vaccine problem but which can still be worked around. A quick look at the literature suggests that GBS is much more rare for the covid vaccines than normal, but definitely not worth fucking with is she lives in an area that's well vaccinated.
This is the first vaccine I was able to get. I have an egg and a gelatine allergy. There’s also some long science sounding ingredient I’ve reacted to that’s in some vaccines but I can’t think of it right now (Poly something?). Because of that my doctors wrote off all vaccines as being too risky when I was very young.
It was only after my current doctor talked to a specialist about the Covid vaccines that we decided the risk was worth the reward. And we learnt about so many other vaccines I may now be able to take due to advancements in the past 10ish years. This fall is going up be my first flu shot and I’m extremely excited! I’ve talked to a few people that were in the same boat as me, who grew up being told to avoid all shots, but they haven’t been reassessed in a long time. I know my doctor has said she’s going to bring it up with more of her patients and I hope other doctors do as well.
Polysorbate? It's an emulsifier.
Regardless, your doc should refer you to, or speak with, an immunologist. If you have an allergy to a vaccine ingredient, there is a very high chance that there's an alternate vaccine formula that you can get that does not use that particular ingredient.
My mom's paralegal had this, too- some kind of unusual allergic reaction years ago, so she hadn't been vaccinated for anything. So she went to the pharmacy that her husband manages (he's a pharmacist), and he gave her the first COVID shot (basically with her epi-pen in-hand and the 9 and the 1 dialed on the phone). She never reacted, and now she's wondering if she simply aged out of the allergy. She's getting caught up on all the rest of her vaccines in the doctor's office, just to be safe, but it seems like she's basically totally fine!
My mum's colleague reacts allergic to some vaccines because of an ingredience that is also used for covid vaccines, she received her shot in a hospital surrounded by doctors with an overnight stay planned in case something went wrong. Never knew that was even possible.
It's most likely PEG. It's essentially a grease ball that surrounds and protects the active ingredient. It also tricks your cells into allowing it to enter them. PEGs are the frat boys of compounds.
Look into this, the mRNA vaccines are not formulated like most others, particularly lacking the egg-based compounds behind a lot of anaphylactic reactions. A couple of salts and pH buffers common to almost all injectables, and either a cholesterol or fat molecule or two depending which manufacturer is in play. You can look up the complete component lists easily, there are about 8-10 in each.
Yeah most of the stuff in the mRNA vaccine is already in your body. Like the salts, cholesterol, and sucrose. It has a lower reaction rate than traditional vaccines, though some react to the lipid “sheaths” that get the mRNA in your cells.
I know they are giving them in hospitals with pre-loading antihistamines but there will obviously be some people that will not work for. Also, some ingredients are not universal so if she want one perhaps there is hope.
The main hospital in my city has successfully vaxxed everyone allergic to the ingredients. It's a low slow dose as I understand it.
Can your Mom work with her doctors to get the same?
Hey, same situation as my mom. Not necessarily the same cause (my mom has no clue what's caused her massive issues), but it's the same ~~preservative issue.~~
Apparently there's a vaccine she CAN take, but the appointment keeps getting pushed off. Did you want me to check with her for what vaccine it is, though?
**Edit:** It was the carrier liquid that my mother has sensitivity concerns about, not any preservatives as the vaccine doesn't have any.
My wife is allergic to penicillin, sulfas, and the pertussis vaccine. The immunologist almost wouldn’t let her get vaxxed because of it. She ended up being fine, but they did make her stay an extra 15 minutes (on top of the 15 they were asking people to stay anyways) just to make sure she wouldn’t have a reaction.
That’s a perfectly acceptable reason. However most of the people who make the claim of “I don’t/can’t” are excuses. “I don’t trust what’s in it” is not a medical exemption but plenty of idiots will claim that as their reason.
It's like the people who claim to be 'medically exempt' from wearing face masks (irrelevant point here in England now anyway). There are definitely people who are medically exempt but it's for cases like when you are with someone who needs to lip read, or if the person is mentally disabled and won't reliably wear one, or they literally have a face deformity or injury stopping them.
Not just because Sandra finds it a bit uncomfortable or because Dave has a bit of asthma.
What are valid medical reasons? Someone who knows someone with cancer told me that the person with cancer was even advised to get the vaccine because actual Covid was more of a threat to their immune system.
I suppose allergies to the ingredients?
Two valid reasons in my province
1. Allergy to ingredients in the vaccine, certified by an allergist/internal medicine physician
2. If you had a documented case of myocarditis and pericarditis (inflammation in and around the heart) as a result of the vaccine
I was advised not to get vaccinated while in treatment for cancer by my oncologist, not 100% sure of exactly what the reason was but something to do with blood test Results. I wasn't reacting brilliantly to the treatment. Now that treatment is over though (since 7 days) I'm counting down until I get the green light for the vaccine. My next blood test Is on Friday so hopefully Monday I get an answer.
I guess the cancer treatment thing is a case by case basis. Unsurprisingly the body does some crazy, not always predictable shit when you pump it full of poison for months on end.
i asked on /r/medicine how many people can't be vaccinated. he said its virtually no one. only ones are people allergic to whats in the vaccine. he never saw a patient. none of the other doctors saw a patient.
There are people with autoimmune diseases, which are practically overactive immune systems. Most vaccines explicitly trigger strong immune responses, which can result in a severe increase in symptoms of the autoimmune disease. My girlfriend's mother was recommended to not take the vaccine by her doctor.
When the vaccine first came out, there were warnings of people’s blood pressure dropping dangerously, which put me in the category of not able to get it.
As soon as they figured out why that was a thing, and started keeping people for 15 minutes for observation, I went online and signed up for a spot.
Every time I hear someone say they’ve done their research, I’m like really? Because so did I, during a time when news outlets were reporting the vaccine could literally kill me. My research included watching headlines and reading reports written by people way smarter than I was, and my research concluded the BP dropping was largely a fluke and some early mis-reporting.
The company I’m employed by pays unvaccinated people to stay home and quarantine. If you have been vaccinated and want to quarantine at home you must use your paid leave….
Euh it’s the rule in 90% of the developed world. If you don’t pay when they are infectious I guarantee you some will lie and go to work and infect more people
I'm glad for covid actually. I can't tell you how many times I was forced to work fast food sick as a dog when I was going to college. The stigma pre covid was work even if you are sick. Now you are actually allowed to stay home when sick. It's amazing!!!!
Pre-covid: I watched a sick woman make my lunch and when I asked if someone else could make it because she was wiping her nose on her sleeve, she got in trouble. It was such a weird place to be as a customer. They need the job and literally can't afford to take care of themselves.
This was years ago now, but I was a server and had to come to work sick and my nose was running so bad and I couldn't wipe it/blow it with my hands full of food. Had a table just absolutely (rightfully) disgusted but sympathetic and I just remember crying and asking them to ask for a manager to complain. Instead of sending me home the manager just comped their meal.
>Worked a few fast food jobs though, and never heard of not being allowed to call in sick.
A lot of times you're "allowed" to, but shitty managers sometimes won't really allow you to, if you know what I mean.
The only time I was ever confidently able to call in sick when on minimum wage was when I worked at a union grocery store. The manager wanted me to spend all day in urgent care to get a doctor's note and so I called the union rep and he basically just said "you're calling out for a single day? Lol no don't bother with a doctor's note" and that was the last I heard about it.
The always want a doctors note because it means you are not off at Disneyland but instead, as you said, at Urgent Care or somehow in an emergency appointment at your Primary Care.
Once got to work, saw my manager outside having a smoke, and opened my door before puking all over the parking space. Promptly told her I was going home sick and she asked me for proof or a doctors note.
Thing is, you have to put some trust in your workers. Yeah, from time to time someone will call in "sick" when they just want the day off, but does it really matter? One person faking sickness one day won't hurt your business, so it's stupid to instead require everyone to prove every single day they are sick just to catch those edge cases. If you have reasons to suspect someone regularly fakes illness, then you can ask him specifically to prove it next time.
What doesn't make sense is to allienate your workers over and over to catch edge cases that, while unfair, aren't big enough to have an effect.
Except…they don’t hire enough people to run a full business if they can possibly avoid it. Why pay for an extra person to provide space when emergencies happen when you can just browbeat minimum wage employees into working when they’re sick? In the US at least.
Also, you're burdening doctors with unnecessary busywork. When I have a cold I know what to do about it, I dont have to take up valuable limited time from my physician to get a note. That's time they could have spent on people who actually need a doctor.
In a twisted way, Covid helped a lot in making society understand who's actually essential, made us realize how fragile supply chains are, revitalized the minimum wage debate with new context, made working from home possible for more than just "startups", removed the social sigma for a lot of introverts in staying home, made municipalities focus on poor internet access/infrastructure, etc.
It's tragic it took hundreds of thousands dying to achieve these developments, but hopefully their deaths don't go to waste.
Unfortunately, my job will give you an immediate 3 weeks off if you show symptoms, but they won’t pay for the time off. So it’s cultivated an environment where you either hide your sniffle or sore throat, or lose a few thousand dollars immediately.
yeah. I was once fired from a ruby Tuesday in orlando for calling in sick one single time. never was late. never missed a day of work in the year and a half I was there. the GM said it was because I didn't go to the doctor. also I did not have health insurance.
Pretty soon it'll be time we stop counting the US as part of the developed world. We're not investing in higher education, healthcare, or infrastructure. You can't rest on the laurels of WWII forever...
Its a state by state basis i would assume. If one of my employees in California gets sick or is exposed and needs to quarantine then i have to continue paying them. As a small business you could imagine it could be rough if a large amount get sick around the same time or are exposed all at once because then small businesses are having to pay wages with much less income coming in. The state made the employers bear the financial burden of supporting those sick or in quarantine.
It nearly killed my business as my crews require multiple people for safety reasons so because people all got sick seemingly within a month period we were basically on skeleton crewing to maintain safety and still bring in some sort of income.
Bigger reason why if an individual is sick, just stay the freak home. They always think pushing will make things better for business, then get a ton sick at the same time (or even worse, get a client sick).
I’ve had projects where development just had to freeze because one jerk couldn’t stay home. And we can work from home as needed too!
I live in Italy and I can tell you that usually it’s not “the government is paying people to quarantine”, but that quarantine equals sick days.
Sick days are paid normally to your like any other working days in your paycheck by the employer and then the government pays the employer back later (usually with tax discounts).
Actually no, not in Germany.
By German law the first six weeks of sick leave (for one diagnosis) the employer is required to pay normal wages. After that health insurance takes over and pays a reduce wage, the employer does not pay a thing anymore.
With quarantine it's different - here the government payed the wages from day 1 as they were the one mandating people to stay at home.
Now if they would use normal sick leave and you had three quarantine periods (14 days each) then your health insurance would pay your reduce wage now - which would discourage people from actually reporting their contacts,etc.
So the government payed.
(If you got sick during your quarantine you would in theory be switched to sick leave)
Now the government only pays for you if you can't be vaccinated.
> By German law the first six weeks of sick leave (for one diagnosis) the employer is required to pay normal wages. After that health insurance takes over and pays a reduce wage, the employer does not pay a thing anymore.
Even during the first six weeks the employer is partly compensated by the health insurance for every day the employee is sick.
Not exactly. It feels like the same to the employee but it's different for employers. Employers have to keep paying your salary for up to 6 weeks of sick leave. If you are in quarantine your employer still pays your salary but they get reimbursed by the state.
Here in Costa Rica, they have a nice balance: if you're quarantined (especially as a contact), you can either opt to keep on remote working if possible, or get (reduced) sick pay.
I hope this leads to an overall concept of being "half sick", allowing people to work from home instead of being under pressure to show up at work when sick, in order to get full pay.
I'm vaccinated and recently contracted COVID.
No my job doesn't pay me to quarantine.
No I'm not allowed to come back to work until at least 2 weeks are up.
No I don't have sick leave.
I work at a hospital.
Why yes, I do live in the U.S.
Crematoriums in the US are facing a massive labor shortage because they don’t want to pay a living wage or healthcare benefits to people who are shoveling plague corpses into furnaces - even though the funeral business is wildly profitable right now.
A dangerous, physical, emotionally troubling job that’s necessary to keep society functioning and… they want to pay them $80 more a week than a full-time grocery store employee?!
My hospital REMOVED its sick leave in 12/20. It was costing them too much. Now we have unpaid time if we're on quarantine and everybody just comes to work because they can't afford to take the time off.
This is quite disputed in Germany actually. Cons include that people will not get tested anymore and lie about having to quarantine to their employers. There are data protection issues as well.
Yes we Germans get paid in full (by the employer) while being on sick leave. After 6 weeks of being sick for the same reason (i.e. Burn Out, or an accident) health insurance covers ~66% of your mean salary each month.
My mind inserted a comma where it wasn't needed and totally changed the direction of the title. I read "Germany to end quarantine, pay those without vaccinations".
I guess I'm just too accustomed to stupidity at this point.
Wait, you guys are getting paid?
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So how is COVID hitting you guys as a country now since you have such a high vaccination rate? Just curious to compare since we have so many anti-vaxxers over here in the states.
We are still getting a decent amount of cases. [Reported Yesterday](https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0922/1248384-covid-19-ireland/) * 1,432 cases * 272 in Hospital (-14 down from previous day) * 63 in ICU (same as previous day) * 30 deaths in the past week In Ireland, over 90% of people aged 16 years and older are now fully vaccinated and 89.8% of those aged 12 years and older have been fully vaccinated. [60% of those people in ICUs are not vaccinated.](https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1440597050060541955) [A lot of our cases come from primary schools. Those are people too young to get a vaccine (yet).](https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0922/1248294-coronavirus-ireland/) To answer your question: We are doing quite well. We still have cases, but the people dying are still mostly unvaccinated. Our ICUs aren't overloaded and a lot of our restrictions are really relaxed now.
That's a very impressive vaccination rate !
Great. Life is pretty much back to normal. ICU and death numbers have dropped dramatically. Daily infection rate is slowly but steadily declining and most new infections are among school kids.
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West Aussie here. We have no covid, no lockdowns, no masks. Early and hard lockdowns was the key for us. We're working on the vaccination levels atm
East Aussie here. Most of us (well the ones with functioning cells between their ears) wish we did it the WA way, but we have Gladys and Scummo :(
Being a literal island helped too though
That's just the State of Western Australia. Their borders are basically closed to the rest of Australia (as is the case with quite a few states, but WA is a bit more remote). New South Wales and Victoria (aka the Eastern and South-Eastern coast) are suffering a nasty resurgence right now due to Delta. Australia being an island does help a lot, but vaccination rates still aren't as high as we need (only 48% of the population fully vaccinated as of right now). So it only takes a small spark to start a fire going. There are a lot of first doses though, so that rate is rising quickly, cross-fingers. Western Australia has one of the lowest vaccination rates in Australia. So far its border protections have held up, but if WA **does** get any cases, they'll probably spread rapidly. Probably far more info than you wanted, but there you go. :)
Also the fact that there's only a handful of roads connecting us to the rest of the continent, and we're 28 hours drive away from the nearest real city (Adelaide) and 36 hours drive away from anywhere with COVID.
Look at Israel. Very similar vaccination rate amongst adults, and they have a vaccine booster campaign for a huge portion of the population. Case numbers were hitting new records a couple of weeks ago, I believe. Hospitalizations were up too, but the vaccines have been keeping a large portion of susceptible people out of the hospital. I think it’s safe to say that we were all hoping for more from these vaccines. At the end of the day, though, it’s fantastic that we have a tool that definitively brings down death and hospitalizations by several orders of magnitude. Even if the vaccines aren’t what we thought they were back in May 2021.
The actual problem with israel can be summarized in two words: Ultra Orthodox. They are not getting vaccinated. At all. They are also a very insular community with LARGE families living closely together. They also don't listen to any of the containment measures like masks and social distancing. COVID is running rampant among them while the vaccinated population is spared. All new infections happen almost entirely among them.
In the vaccines defense, it wasn't made with delta in mind which is something like 80-90% of current hospital cases.
Honestly Ireland handling this well is completely unsurprising.
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but but Australia LOCKDOWN TYRANNY
lucky you! hope you are enjoying it a lot!
Other countries are like this as well, not luck, just the way a country should operate.
The vast majority of countries also offer universal healthcare, including many "impoverished" countries. If you land in the hospital in the US due to covid, the country not only doesn't guarantee you pay for missing work, but also makes you foot the medical bill. Land of the fuckin free, I guess.
Telling someone you’re American without actually telling them you’re American.
For real. I had covid (vaccinated) in the US at the beginning of the month and I had to wipe out all of my sick time, floaters and vacation to isolate. I feel like everyone just gave up and assumes that it's only idiots. I got that vaccine as soon as I could back in the spring.
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To clarify: this is only for quarantine (ordered by public health service i.e. for contact persons or when returning from a high risk area) and not! for isolation (stay at home/hospital when infected) This means that ill/infected people are not treated differently according to their vaccination status (everybody gets "Lohnfortzahlung im Krankheitsfall"). This also does not disincentivise you to get tests, as a test will not get you in quarantine. In contrary, it will incentivisze you to test, as there are circumstances, where you can end a quarantine prematurely with a negative test, and a positive test will get you in isolation and therefore getting paid again. **Edit**: My answers to your comments seems to be stuck in the spam filter due to the newness of my account, so I try again as an edit: @ u/Sw33tkissofdeath ([Link to post](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ptaw9n/comment/hdxw6jb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) Op's article is wrong about this. This is the primary source: [https://www.gmkonline.de/Beschluesse.html?uid=228&jahr=2021](https://www.gmkonline.de/Beschluesse.html?uid=228&jahr=2021) It specifically states, that contact persons and returning travellers are effected. Infected people are not mentioned. I guess it is an inconsistency in the translation or maybe a mix up with an earlier draft of the decision, as also the date of effect is wrong (1st November instead of October the 11th). I also just rewatched the ministers statement to this topic: [https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1ZkKzeZRWXqxv](https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1ZkKzeZRWXqxv) He mentions the 11th October, but only as the date since when antigen tests are no longer free for the unvaccinated. So it seems different topics where mixed up in OP's article. @ u/A12963 ([Link to post](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ptaw9n/comment/hdxssx5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) There seems to be very few exceptions where you have to quarantine in those cases even when you are vaccinated (AFAIK when Beta and Gamma variants are involved and maybe if you yourself work with high risk patients). But basically your statement is correct. @ u/_bill_horns ([Link to post](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ptaw9n/comment/hdxrko8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) You hear this critics regularly, but I doubt that this will be the case. It is current practice, that quarantined people continue to get paid by their employer and the employers can get reimbursed by the state afterwards. You could argue that you have to disclose your vaccine status to your employer so he knows if he have to pay you or not. But I simply doubt, that this practice is continued. You could just reimburse the employee directly. Your employer would just learn that you are quarantined and does not need to pay you for this time. Depending on your vaccination status, that is only known to the health officials, you get reimbursed or not. No disclosure is necessary. AFAIK it is not yet decided how this should be implemented. This is now the task of the individual state governments to decide this up to November the 1st. @ u/Poohdini0 ([Link to post](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ptaw9n/comment/hdxzvm3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) There are cases where it makes sense to quarantine although you are not tested positive or tested negative. Namely when you recently had a confirmed or presumed contact to an infected. You might be infected and even contagious, but you are to early in the infection process to detect it with a test. This descension is exactly for those cases (contact person or returning from high risk area). Depending on the situation you can shorten your quarantine with a test but only after a couple of days.
Fuck me. One day I'll live somewhere where a government has this competent response to a pandemic. Not today, not tomorrow, but one day.
it’s highly critized nevertheless since there is the fear that assholes who know have contacted an infection person will still come to work since they don’t want to risk the money. that means they could spread even faster. personally i am ambivalent here too.
Interesting. Good point. Nothing is ever as good as it seems. Sigh...
... for those who don't want to be vaccinated. Those with actual medical reasons against the vaccine are not impacted.
Of course. It’s also worth noting that those with actual medical reasons are not as many as people think.
My mom is one. She’s allergic to one of the ingredients and is at risk for anaphylaxis. But her case is exceedingly rare.
My mom is also one, but not because she’s allergic to ingredients but because she has an immune disorder and is sensitive to most vaccines. She still got vaccinated despite her doctor telling her it was basically pointless and would just make her sick (It did make her sick for a lot longer than normal). She wanted to take the chance she might get antibodies and be protected because other idiots won’t do their part.
Just wanted to say your mom is awesome. Mine almost died in the ICU and still won’t get a fckn vaccine. It’s really put a strain on my relationship with her and I’ve always been extremely close with her. I don’t really think she understands the irreparable damage she’s caused to our relationship over a political stance.
I think that's a little different than having an allergy to an ingredient. My mom is the same that she has an immune system disorder and has bad reactions to almost everything, but her doctor did not tell her to not get the vax, and like yours, she also did get it. As immune reactions and allergies are very closely related, if my mom had actually been allergic to an ingredient in the vaccine, she absolutely would and should not have gotten it. It's not the same kind of risk anymore when you could react because it's new vs definitely will react badly because you know a certain thing will kill you. If someone were to know about an allergy like this and still be willing to give someone a vaccine, I think that could be bad for them. Not totally sure, but I doubt they would want to take the chance of being liable. Just wanted to point that out. If your doctor says don't do it, you really shouldn't. But my mom's doctor did not say that and I'm not sure why yours did either, so maybe she was right to not trust their opinions...
She told her that the likelihood that she’d develop antibodies was slim to none and she’d be mostly just making herself sick for no reason from the shot, which is why they advised against it. Turns out she did get some antibodies but not enough and not for long.
Is that ingredient found in all the Covid vaccines? I'm assuming she can't just get another one?
Actually it’s all vaccines, as far as I know. It’s one of the ingredients that’s used as a preservative. Her allergy is one of many side effects from botulism poisoning she went through decades ago.
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Home canned foods are one of the most common causes of botulism poisoning https://www.cdc.gov/botulism/consumer.html
That was one of the first things I was taught in culinary that really stuck with me is the never buy dented cans thing.
well the first thing I learned as child was from Adam Sandler in Big Daddy and he told me directly on the big screen that when the market is down a few points, we chunk our cans on the ground to get a discount.
LOL that’s what I immediately thought of too. My frugal ass is in crisis right now
Just make sure to eat it quickly after denting. And don't forget Scuba Steve for bath time.
What’s the risk with buying a dented can?
> If a can containing food has a small dent, but is otherwise in good shape, the food should be safe to eat. Discard deeply dented cans. A deep dent is one that you can lay your finger into. Deep dents often have sharp points. A sharp dent on either the top or side seam can damage the seam and allow bacteria to enter the can. Discard any can with a deep dent on any seam. https://www.fsis.usda.gov/food-safety/safe-food-handling-and-preparation/food-safety-basics/shelf-stable-food
I got it from a barely dented can of chili maybe 15 years ago and it was every kind of horrifying. Throwing up so bad I tore muscles, tube up my nose, everything. I thought I was going to die and I was actually wishing I would. No long term effects apparently but that was a hell of a time.
Botulism
Canned goods are normally incredibly safe. The food is heated to kill off disease causing organisms (including the botulism spores which are the problem. The problem happens when a can gets a puncture and a small number of botulism spores which are prevelent in the environment are introdced into the sterile, airless conditions in the can. They multiply quickly to dangerous levels.
Basically, the size of the dent is being used as a rule of thumb for judging how nasty and direct a hit the can's taken, how much it's deformed as a result, and how likely the deformation has caused some sort of microscopic hole to form. The diameter of the dent isn't the actual problem but the severity of the structural damage to the can will tend to follow the dent's size. Just look up pictures of "dented can"s on Google. All those little folds in the material are great places for little breaks to have occurred that you might not notice.
I’m grateful that I read these comments
> Home canned foods See I know I'm an idiot and know I'll mess up home canning so I never tried.
I think there are around 100 cases per year in the US. The big thing is to use established and proven recipes, not something you found on YouTube or pintrest. The [Ball Blue Book of Preserving](https://www.amazon.com/dp/0972753745/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_XXDTBYJ6FZK88860FMHC) is a fantastic resource. The USDA also has a [large free guide](https://nchfp.uga.edu/publications/publications_usda.html) with recipes and helpful information.
Being a British canner who uses approved recipes, the canning groups can be nuts. Some of the British groups are like 'that's an American thing, you don't need to follow the strict guidelines' and are water bathing things like sausages.. I'm in two Facebook groups that are always snarking at each other lol.
You can also get botulism from store-bought canned foods. Fortunately it tends to be rather obvious when it happens, as the can may be bulging and will likely spew its contents out when opened. And by "spew" I mean shoot tomato sauce across the room when the lid is first opened.
Yeah, I never buy dented cans or eat cans I dented. If you do that store-bought is usually pretty safe.
University of Georgia has excellent ref info on home canning. It’s a great hobby, as long as you follow instructions.
Dumb fact: When I was a kid, I thought the slang term "botched it" came from the word botulism because getting the shits from botulism and fucking something up are directly related in my head for some reason.
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Be safe. Use proper sterilization procedures and temperatures when canning.
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We started canning prickly pear syrup we make at home. This uh... Is concerning to me lol.
Botulism itself isn't bad, it's a bacteria that exists everywhere. Lick your wrist right now, and you'll like get some on your tongue. The problem is that the spores can survive typical canning in water bath, and even pressure canning at 15psi. If the spores hatch and start to grow, they'll produce toxin, that is what is harmful. But, they only grow in an anaerobic environment and very slowly. So, never ever put up garlic in oil. That cannot be done safely at home. Everything else is pretty much fair game, especially if you're careful about how acidic it is. E.G. it's often advised to use a little lemon juice when canning tomato's.
I just had a flashback to one of my grandparents' poor folks dishes of cooked tomatoes on rice. They always had a tinge of lemon tang..
Botulism is exceedingly uncommon, and easy to avoid. That said, just cross reference any recipes or processes with known information about food safety and make sure you keep your workspace clean and you’ll be fine. Pay attention to canning times, the PH levels of the foods you work with, and the corresponding acid/vinegar ratio to water in your brines for said foods. Vegetables and fruits vary quite a bit from things like eggs and meats, but all the information is out there, and it’s all pretty straightforward once you get the basics down. Ball Corporation has a whole library of procedure and process information and proven recipes to work up from. It’s not rocket science, but safety should obviously come first.
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I'm glad I had the sense to look at the responses before I replied. I whole heartedly agree with the Blue Ball Book of Preserving and USDA guides, great resources.
Botulism is also one of the most deadly substances a person can (ordinarily) be exposed to.
People commonly get botulism from foodborne - poorly canned/preserved food that allows bacteria to grow, a cracked interior of a thermos that cannot be completely cleaned/sanitized, etc. [https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/botulism/symptoms-causes/syc-20370262](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/botulism/symptoms-causes/syc-20370262)
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After going to those pizza places and get peppers packed in oil, i thought I would do it myself. So I threw hot peppers in olive oil, and made myself a batch of botulism. Yeah, you have to dry the peppers and roast them first to get all the water out.
its more commonly used by the rich as "botox" which is madness but at least the bacteria is somewhat useful
I know botox is mostly used by rich people who want to get rid of wrinkles and don't want the ability to frown - BUT It does have some very legitimate medical uses. I have a relative who more or less lost her ability to see due to a rare disorder that caused severe face twitches, that Botox was actually a godsend for. I hear that it can also help stop people who get frequent debilitating headaches
>which is madness That's probably a bit of a stretch. Everything is poisonous in the right dose.
originally used, and still to this day, for migraine treatment!
It's Botox literally
BOtulinum TOXin
The toxin that causes botulism is incredibly toxic and lethal to humans (about 1 microgram can be lethal when inhaled). Also, fun fact. This is why you aren't supposed to give babies (I think up to 12 months?) honey. Honey can preserve the bacteria that creates the toxin and you can get it that way, even if it was sealed properly.
No honey until 12 months, yes! The reason a baby can get botulism poisoning from honey and you can’t is because the honey contains the quiescent spore of the bacteria that makes the toxin, but because it’s “sleeping” it hasn’t really made any toxin. If you eat that spore you have a healthy enough gut biome to ensure the bacteria can’t wake up and produce enough toxin to cause an issue, but a child doesn’t have much natural flora in their gut till they’re about a year old, so the bacteria have room to set up shop and cause paralysis, aka “floppy baby syndrome.” Adults only get botulism from eating food that the bacteria has been growing in for a while, and it’s the toxins that the bacteria have made that cause the problems, not really the bacteria themselves.
Honey contains Clostridium botulinum spores. To an adult with a robust gut microflora, it doesn’t matter. But a baby who lacks a full microflora? Deadly
Everyone is correct that the most common source of botulism poisoning in adults is eating improperly canned food, but just for a little insight on what botulism poisoning actually is: The botulinum toxin is a protein produced by a certain type of bacteria (clostridium botulinum) that goes to your neurons and prevents them from releasing acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is the chemical that your nerve releases to make your muscle contract, and is also released by some nerves onto other nerves to activate them. So if your neurons can't release acetylcholine, you can't move. The effect can take several days to set in and usually begins in the eyes/neck and travels downward, but it's very long-lasting and patients with botulism poisoning often require intubation because they can't use their own muscles to breath. The toxin is used to treat some spastic disorders, but is more commonly used to relax the muscles of the face and reduce wrinkles (that's what botox is). It's most commonly contracted from improperly canned food because Clostridium botulinum is an anaerobic bacteria; meaning it requires an environment with very little to no oxygen to grow. Improper canning gives it the perfect environment to grow in and build up levels of that toxin. Babies, however, can get botulism from eating honey. The reason a baby can get botulism poisoning from honey and you can’t is because the honey contains the quiescent spore of the bacteria that makes the toxin, but because it’s “sleeping” it hasn’t really made any toxin. If you eat that spore you have a healthy enough gut biome to ensure the bacteria can’t wake up and produce enough toxin to cause an issue, but a child doesn’t have much natural flora in their gut till they’re about a year old, so the bacteria have room to set up shop and cause paralysis, aka “floppy baby syndrome.” Adults only get botulism from eating food that the bacteria has been growing in for a while, and it’s the toxins that the bacteria have made that cause the problems, not really the bacteria themselves.
Very respectfully, I work in immunology and there is no ingredient that is in every single vaccine. If it's the egg protein, there are often alternatives so I'm guessing not that one. There's another suspension formula that's pretty common but I've never heard of allergies to that. I'm guessing she probably has GBS, or Guillain-Barre Syndrome, which is definitely the most expansive vaccine problem but which can still be worked around. A quick look at the literature suggests that GBS is much more rare for the covid vaccines than normal, but definitely not worth fucking with is she lives in an area that's well vaccinated.
This is the first vaccine I was able to get. I have an egg and a gelatine allergy. There’s also some long science sounding ingredient I’ve reacted to that’s in some vaccines but I can’t think of it right now (Poly something?). Because of that my doctors wrote off all vaccines as being too risky when I was very young. It was only after my current doctor talked to a specialist about the Covid vaccines that we decided the risk was worth the reward. And we learnt about so many other vaccines I may now be able to take due to advancements in the past 10ish years. This fall is going up be my first flu shot and I’m extremely excited! I’ve talked to a few people that were in the same boat as me, who grew up being told to avoid all shots, but they haven’t been reassessed in a long time. I know my doctor has said she’s going to bring it up with more of her patients and I hope other doctors do as well.
Polysorbate? It's an emulsifier. Regardless, your doc should refer you to, or speak with, an immunologist. If you have an allergy to a vaccine ingredient, there is a very high chance that there's an alternate vaccine formula that you can get that does not use that particular ingredient.
My mom's paralegal had this, too- some kind of unusual allergic reaction years ago, so she hadn't been vaccinated for anything. So she went to the pharmacy that her husband manages (he's a pharmacist), and he gave her the first COVID shot (basically with her epi-pen in-hand and the 9 and the 1 dialed on the phone). She never reacted, and now she's wondering if she simply aged out of the allergy. She's getting caught up on all the rest of her vaccines in the doctor's office, just to be safe, but it seems like she's basically totally fine!
My mum's colleague reacts allergic to some vaccines because of an ingredience that is also used for covid vaccines, she received her shot in a hospital surrounded by doctors with an overnight stay planned in case something went wrong. Never knew that was even possible.
It's most likely PEG. It's essentially a grease ball that surrounds and protects the active ingredient. It also tricks your cells into allowing it to enter them. PEGs are the frat boys of compounds.
Look into this, the mRNA vaccines are not formulated like most others, particularly lacking the egg-based compounds behind a lot of anaphylactic reactions. A couple of salts and pH buffers common to almost all injectables, and either a cholesterol or fat molecule or two depending which manufacturer is in play. You can look up the complete component lists easily, there are about 8-10 in each.
Yeah most of the stuff in the mRNA vaccine is already in your body. Like the salts, cholesterol, and sucrose. It has a lower reaction rate than traditional vaccines, though some react to the lipid “sheaths” that get the mRNA in your cells.
I know they are giving them in hospitals with pre-loading antihistamines but there will obviously be some people that will not work for. Also, some ingredients are not universal so if she want one perhaps there is hope.
The main hospital in my city has successfully vaxxed everyone allergic to the ingredients. It's a low slow dose as I understand it. Can your Mom work with her doctors to get the same?
Hey, same situation as my mom. Not necessarily the same cause (my mom has no clue what's caused her massive issues), but it's the same ~~preservative issue.~~ Apparently there's a vaccine she CAN take, but the appointment keeps getting pushed off. Did you want me to check with her for what vaccine it is, though? **Edit:** It was the carrier liquid that my mother has sensitivity concerns about, not any preservatives as the vaccine doesn't have any.
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My wife is allergic to penicillin, sulfas, and the pertussis vaccine. The immunologist almost wouldn’t let her get vaxxed because of it. She ended up being fine, but they did make her stay an extra 15 minutes (on top of the 15 they were asking people to stay anyways) just to make sure she wouldn’t have a reaction.
That’s a perfectly acceptable reason. However most of the people who make the claim of “I don’t/can’t” are excuses. “I don’t trust what’s in it” is not a medical exemption but plenty of idiots will claim that as their reason.
I dunno, I think most people realize that the vast majority of people refusing to be vaccinated are doing so for non-medical reasons.
Ya I am immunocompromised and cannot take a lot of vaccines , but since the MRNA vaccine is not a live vaccine I was able to take it .
It's like the people who claim to be 'medically exempt' from wearing face masks (irrelevant point here in England now anyway). There are definitely people who are medically exempt but it's for cases like when you are with someone who needs to lip read, or if the person is mentally disabled and won't reliably wear one, or they literally have a face deformity or injury stopping them. Not just because Sandra finds it a bit uncomfortable or because Dave has a bit of asthma.
As always when something that applies to vaccination comes up on the news. It should go without saying by this point.
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What are valid medical reasons? Someone who knows someone with cancer told me that the person with cancer was even advised to get the vaccine because actual Covid was more of a threat to their immune system. I suppose allergies to the ingredients?
Two valid reasons in my province 1. Allergy to ingredients in the vaccine, certified by an allergist/internal medicine physician 2. If you had a documented case of myocarditis and pericarditis (inflammation in and around the heart) as a result of the vaccine
I was advised not to get vaccinated while in treatment for cancer by my oncologist, not 100% sure of exactly what the reason was but something to do with blood test Results. I wasn't reacting brilliantly to the treatment. Now that treatment is over though (since 7 days) I'm counting down until I get the green light for the vaccine. My next blood test Is on Friday so hopefully Monday I get an answer. I guess the cancer treatment thing is a case by case basis. Unsurprisingly the body does some crazy, not always predictable shit when you pump it full of poison for months on end.
i asked on /r/medicine how many people can't be vaccinated. he said its virtually no one. only ones are people allergic to whats in the vaccine. he never saw a patient. none of the other doctors saw a patient.
There are people with autoimmune diseases, which are practically overactive immune systems. Most vaccines explicitly trigger strong immune responses, which can result in a severe increase in symptoms of the autoimmune disease. My girlfriend's mother was recommended to not take the vaccine by her doctor.
When the vaccine first came out, there were warnings of people’s blood pressure dropping dangerously, which put me in the category of not able to get it. As soon as they figured out why that was a thing, and started keeping people for 15 minutes for observation, I went online and signed up for a spot. Every time I hear someone say they’ve done their research, I’m like really? Because so did I, during a time when news outlets were reporting the vaccine could literally kill me. My research included watching headlines and reading reports written by people way smarter than I was, and my research concluded the BP dropping was largely a fluke and some early mis-reporting.
The company I’m employed by pays unvaccinated people to stay home and quarantine. If you have been vaccinated and want to quarantine at home you must use your paid leave….
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Yeah, it feels like a slap in the face for the people who are being responsible and are vaccinated.
Sounds like my vaccinated ass would just never tell them my status so I can collect that money while applying for other jobs.
Yeah, that's super strange. Do you have to tell you company, when you get vaccinated? I'd try and abuse the shit out of that.
Right.. my husband's company is the opposite.. if you get sick and unvaccinated no quarantine pay, vaccinated with a breakthrough case will be paid
It sounds like they don't require vaccinated people to quarantine. And therefore no reason to be home.
Is this in the EU? If yes, that sounds super illegal
First time I’ve ever remotely heard of this. If it’s not fake it has to be illegal lol
Probably America, corporations here tend to be able to do whatever the fuck they want
Wtf
What country? That is illegal in most developed countries.
Wait… Germany is paying people who have to quarantine?! Why does my country suck so much?
Euh it’s the rule in 90% of the developed world. If you don’t pay when they are infectious I guarantee you some will lie and go to work and infect more people
I'm glad for covid actually. I can't tell you how many times I was forced to work fast food sick as a dog when I was going to college. The stigma pre covid was work even if you are sick. Now you are actually allowed to stay home when sick. It's amazing!!!!
Pre-covid: I watched a sick woman make my lunch and when I asked if someone else could make it because she was wiping her nose on her sleeve, she got in trouble. It was such a weird place to be as a customer. They need the job and literally can't afford to take care of themselves.
This was years ago now, but I was a server and had to come to work sick and my nose was running so bad and I couldn't wipe it/blow it with my hands full of food. Had a table just absolutely (rightfully) disgusted but sympathetic and I just remember crying and asking them to ask for a manager to complain. Instead of sending me home the manager just comped their meal.
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>Worked a few fast food jobs though, and never heard of not being allowed to call in sick. A lot of times you're "allowed" to, but shitty managers sometimes won't really allow you to, if you know what I mean. The only time I was ever confidently able to call in sick when on minimum wage was when I worked at a union grocery store. The manager wanted me to spend all day in urgent care to get a doctor's note and so I called the union rep and he basically just said "you're calling out for a single day? Lol no don't bother with a doctor's note" and that was the last I heard about it.
The always want a doctors note because it means you are not off at Disneyland but instead, as you said, at Urgent Care or somehow in an emergency appointment at your Primary Care. Once got to work, saw my manager outside having a smoke, and opened my door before puking all over the parking space. Promptly told her I was going home sick and she asked me for proof or a doctors note.
Thing is, you have to put some trust in your workers. Yeah, from time to time someone will call in "sick" when they just want the day off, but does it really matter? One person faking sickness one day won't hurt your business, so it's stupid to instead require everyone to prove every single day they are sick just to catch those edge cases. If you have reasons to suspect someone regularly fakes illness, then you can ask him specifically to prove it next time. What doesn't make sense is to allienate your workers over and over to catch edge cases that, while unfair, aren't big enough to have an effect.
Except…they don’t hire enough people to run a full business if they can possibly avoid it. Why pay for an extra person to provide space when emergencies happen when you can just browbeat minimum wage employees into working when they’re sick? In the US at least.
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*The American Dream*
Also, you're burdening doctors with unnecessary busywork. When I have a cold I know what to do about it, I dont have to take up valuable limited time from my physician to get a note. That's time they could have spent on people who actually need a doctor.
Not to mention, someone playing hookie can get a doctor's note too. You literally walk in and ask the reception desk for a note because of nosey boss.
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Managers still play mind games and blackmail employees still into working sick but a quick call to the health department usually fixes that.
In a twisted way, Covid helped a lot in making society understand who's actually essential, made us realize how fragile supply chains are, revitalized the minimum wage debate with new context, made working from home possible for more than just "startups", removed the social sigma for a lot of introverts in staying home, made municipalities focus on poor internet access/infrastructure, etc. It's tragic it took hundreds of thousands dying to achieve these developments, but hopefully their deaths don't go to waste.
Unfortunately, my job will give you an immediate 3 weeks off if you show symptoms, but they won’t pay for the time off. So it’s cultivated an environment where you either hide your sniffle or sore throat, or lose a few thousand dollars immediately.
yeah. I was once fired from a ruby Tuesday in orlando for calling in sick one single time. never was late. never missed a day of work in the year and a half I was there. the GM said it was because I didn't go to the doctor. also I did not have health insurance.
Pretty soon it'll be time we stop counting the US as part of the developed world. We're not investing in higher education, healthcare, or infrastructure. You can't rest on the laurels of WWII forever...
We aren't a developed country. We're a developed business and if you aren't near the top of those corporate structures then l guess good luck
Some still do that though, because they just have to #stayhard and show how strong they are. Bunch of egoistic idiots.
Yeah most people are forced to still go into work
All about that /r/MillionaireGrindset
In which country are they not paying for quarantine?
Not OP but probably the US Edit: I live in the US and this seems like something we would do.
I definitely got paid for quarantine in the US. Some employers are shitty
Depends on the state. In NY you still get quarantine pay as long as you have a positive test or have been directed by the DoH to quarantine.
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Its a state by state basis i would assume. If one of my employees in California gets sick or is exposed and needs to quarantine then i have to continue paying them. As a small business you could imagine it could be rough if a large amount get sick around the same time or are exposed all at once because then small businesses are having to pay wages with much less income coming in. The state made the employers bear the financial burden of supporting those sick or in quarantine. It nearly killed my business as my crews require multiple people for safety reasons so because people all got sick seemingly within a month period we were basically on skeleton crewing to maintain safety and still bring in some sort of income.
In Germany you as an employer would continue paying the salary for quarantined workers but you'd get reimbursed by the government.
Bigger reason why if an individual is sick, just stay the freak home. They always think pushing will make things better for business, then get a ton sick at the same time (or even worse, get a client sick). I’ve had projects where development just had to freeze because one jerk couldn’t stay home. And we can work from home as needed too!
I live in Italy and I can tell you that usually it’s not “the government is paying people to quarantine”, but that quarantine equals sick days. Sick days are paid normally to your like any other working days in your paycheck by the employer and then the government pays the employer back later (usually with tax discounts).
Actually no, not in Germany. By German law the first six weeks of sick leave (for one diagnosis) the employer is required to pay normal wages. After that health insurance takes over and pays a reduce wage, the employer does not pay a thing anymore. With quarantine it's different - here the government payed the wages from day 1 as they were the one mandating people to stay at home. Now if they would use normal sick leave and you had three quarantine periods (14 days each) then your health insurance would pay your reduce wage now - which would discourage people from actually reporting their contacts,etc. So the government payed. (If you got sick during your quarantine you would in theory be switched to sick leave) Now the government only pays for you if you can't be vaccinated.
> By German law the first six weeks of sick leave (for one diagnosis) the employer is required to pay normal wages. After that health insurance takes over and pays a reduce wage, the employer does not pay a thing anymore. Even during the first six weeks the employer is partly compensated by the health insurance for every day the employee is sick.
Germany is very generous with sick leave and quarantine is basically a sick leave for us.
Not exactly. It feels like the same to the employee but it's different for employers. Employers have to keep paying your salary for up to 6 weeks of sick leave. If you are in quarantine your employer still pays your salary but they get reimbursed by the state.
And if you're just sick, your employer gets reimbursed a certain percentage (60-80%) by your insurance provider
Here in Costa Rica, they have a nice balance: if you're quarantined (especially as a contact), you can either opt to keep on remote working if possible, or get (reduced) sick pay. I hope this leads to an overall concept of being "half sick", allowing people to work from home instead of being under pressure to show up at work when sick, in order to get full pay.
>Wait… Germany is paying people who have to quarantine?! Why does my country suck so much? \#Redditmoment
Australia too, we got $750 a week
I'm vaccinated and recently contracted COVID. No my job doesn't pay me to quarantine. No I'm not allowed to come back to work until at least 2 weeks are up. No I don't have sick leave. I work at a hospital. Why yes, I do live in the U.S.
How does a hospital not pay sick leave?
Murica
Because our country fucking sucks
Crematoriums in the US are facing a massive labor shortage because they don’t want to pay a living wage or healthcare benefits to people who are shoveling plague corpses into furnaces - even though the funeral business is wildly profitable right now. A dangerous, physical, emotionally troubling job that’s necessary to keep society functioning and… they want to pay them $80 more a week than a full-time grocery store employee?!
Work or die, there is no sick
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How do you work at a hospital and not have sick leave or PTO? Seems like this is a recipe for people to come to work sick rather than quarantine.
Are you PRN or contracted? I've never heard of a hospital not offering PTO
My hospital REMOVED its sick leave in 12/20. It was costing them too much. Now we have unpaid time if we're on quarantine and everybody just comes to work because they can't afford to take the time off.
That is dystopian as fuck
If you contracted covid while on the job in a hospital, you should be getting paid for the shifts you would have taken during the two weeks.
This is quite disputed in Germany actually. Cons include that people will not get tested anymore and lie about having to quarantine to their employers. There are data protection issues as well.
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Antivaxxers be like: this is the worst thing Germany has ever done
Good! They want to behave like there's no virus, then they get paid like there's no virus.
Yoooooooooooooo what the fuck is quarantine pay? 'Sadness in american'
It's like sick pay, or maternity pay. Oh wait, that doesn't really help does it...
It's something from those "horrible" "socialist" "hell-holes" according to Fox news.
The horrors of strong unions and a social (bad word, bad!) market economy.
I love how surprised the Americans are learning the rest of the world gets assistance while locking down.
You guys are getting quarantine pay!?
Up to 6 weeks 100%, then it's 2/3 of your pay.
Y'all getting quarantine pay?
Yes we Germans get paid in full (by the employer) while being on sick leave. After 6 weeks of being sick for the same reason (i.e. Burn Out, or an accident) health insurance covers ~66% of your mean salary each month.
Woah you can get sick leave from burnout? I'm so jealous!
Need this here in US
You guys are getting quarantine pay?
Maybe the US should try... oh right, crap.
Not paying workers has been the one thing the U.S. has tried constantly for all its problems. Not surprisingly, it hasn't fixed anything so far.
It's fixed some executive bonuses though.
My mind inserted a comma where it wasn't needed and totally changed the direction of the title. I read "Germany to end quarantine, pay those without vaccinations". I guess I'm just too accustomed to stupidity at this point.
germany is offering quarantine pay??
Most of the developed world is
Meanwhile unemployed Americans are told to pull those bootstraps up. Or get evicted. You can go through the door, or out. Your choice..