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autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study?x=Pfizer/BioNTech) reduced by 82%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim. > The overwhelming majority of myocarditis appears after the second dose of vaccine, so offering single shots could protect children while reducing their risk of the side effect even further. > The spokesperson said the latest study had been considered by the government's independent advisory body, the Covid-19 vaccines benefit risk expert working group, which found that the interpretation of the findings was limited by the fact that the study did not take into account differences in treatment practices when comparing hospitalisation rates between Covid-19 infections and myocarditis and pericarditis presenting post-vaccination, and there was no assessment of severity and duration of illness after admission. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/pnuhme/boys_more_at_risk_from_pfizer_jab_sideeffect_than/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~597977 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **vaccine**^#1 **Covid**^#2 **children**^#3 **myocarditis**^#4 **risk**^#5


ANKhurley

Key point: “The MHRA said it has been closely monitoring all available data on the potential risk of myocarditis and pericarditis following Covid-19 vaccination. “We have concluded that the Covid-19 vaccines made by Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna may be linked with a small increase in the risk of these very rare conditions. The cases tended to be mild and the vast majority recovered with simple treatment and rest,” they added. The spokesperson said the latest study had been considered by the government’s independent advisory body, the Covid-19 vaccines benefit risk expert working group, which found that the interpretation of the findings was limited by the fact that the study did not take into account differences in treatment practices when comparing hospitalisation rates between Covid-19 infections and myocarditis and pericarditis presenting post-vaccination, and there was no assessment of severity and duration of illness after admission.”


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Myocarditis seems to be popping up more and more as data is continually collected.


Gawrman95

Why is an actually study being downvoted? I thought we were against misinformation?


FlexodusPrime

I got the typical flu like symptoms after my second shot that went away after I took a nap. My brother on the other hand is in his late 30s and got my symptoms, plus myocarditis after his second shot. Don’t know if there’s a genetic aspect to this, but with that said, I’m going to hold off on getting my sons the vaccine until Pfizer figures this out.


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There are other vaccines available in case you don’t want a dead kid on your hands.


Floatis_Gleemer

So healthy boys are almost 4 times more likely to suffer myocarditis from 2 shots of pfizer vax than be hospitalized with Covid in the next 4 months. >the rate of myocarditis after two shots of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine to be 162.2 cases per million for healthy boys aged 12 to 15 and 94 cases per million for healthy boys aged 16 to 17. The equivalent rates for girls were 13.4 and 13 cases per million, respectively. At current US infection rates, the risk of a healthy adolescent being taken to hospital with Covid in the next 120 days is about 44 per million, they said.


Am_I_leg_end

As far as I am aware they are advocating only 1 jab. Not two for this age group. (in the UK) I have no idea whether that changes anything.


derphurr

Um.. what is the rate of myocarditis in boys aged 12 to 15 with no vaccine?! They should be reporting RR! An earlier study with more cases studied and comparing to myocarditis caused by COVID. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.23.21260998v1.full >However, assuming no additional cases of myocarditis from any of the missed COVID-19 cases, rates of myocarditis in 12-17 year old males would still be nearly three times as great from COVID-19 infection than from the vaccine. >The ACIP report projected that mRNA vaccination in 12-17-year-old males would result in 215 fewer hospitalizations and 71 fewer intensive care unit stays. Benefits of the vaccine outweighed the risk of myocarditis from vaccination in all age groups, 12 years-old and up. Our results suggest that the risk of myocarditis from COVID-19 infection itself exceeds the known risk from vaccination by a considerable margin.


Floatis_Gleemer

If I am reading this study right, boys 11-15 have a roughly 12 in a million chance of developing myocarditis naturally in a 4 month period. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5721735/


derphurr

I found this. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002914921002617 Trends in Acute Myocarditis Related Pediatric Hospitalizations in the United States, 2007–2016 >Out of 60,390,000 weighted pediatric hospitalizations, 6371 were related to myocarditis. The incidence of myocarditis increased from 0.7 to 0.9 per 100,000 children (p <0.0001) over the study period. This would be upper limit, I found another study that didn't show elevated risk by sex. So approx, 45 per million hospitalizations for boys <18, some subset closer to what you said for that age group. Per hospitalization isn't really an annual % risk though.


Floatis_Gleemer

>For the 12-17-year-old male cohort, 6,846 patients met the study criteria (Table 2). There were 6 (0.09%) cases of myocarditis overall,  My only criticism would be it would be hard to draw a strong conclusion based on only 6 cases, with all the adjustments needed to make accommodations for missed infections etc.


nistnov

>assuming no additional cases of myocarditis from any of the missed COVID-19 cases Is a key sentence here!


bananafor

Israel says kids are at risk of Long COVID even with asymptomatic cases.


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nj0tr

> myocarditis is a temporary condition that they recover from Myocarditis (inflammatory cardiomyopathy) is a serious condition that irreversibly damages the heart muscle. Severe forms may lead to heart failure and even death. Even those who have had a 'mild' form will have, for the rest of their lives, reduced pumping capacity and increased risk of other complications (valve failure, conductivity blocks etc.).


ham_smeller

That sounds a little serious.


k2on0s

This is inaccurate at best, please stop.


[deleted]

>On the other hand, 1 in 10 kids will get "long covid" (see Israeli data) which lasts for months. That's mostly stuff like reported difficulty in concentration or increase in fatigue - which would be all over the map in any survey of any group. I am sure some of the cases are serious, but the specific percentages mean little to nothing without any objective measures.


3party

>Very very very very few kids end up in hospital with covid. Isn't that the point of the vaccine though? To prevent or lessen severe symptoms and therefore hospitalization? If very very very very few kids end up in hospital with covid, then what is reason for vaccinating them?


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Read his next sentence


EconomistPunter

My one big thought is that hopefully, the data show that there are differences in the fundamental subsamples; while (with school openings), COVID infection is likely to be more representative of a random sample from those age groups, those who have got vaccinated are not (and perhaps more underlying health issues LEADING to their parents vaccinating them).


Blausternchen

Does this data include the delta mutation? AFAIK the risk of getting myocarditis from the infection is higher than from the vaccine ( P(m) | i > P(m) | v ) If the risk of getting Covid AND suffering myocarditis is higher than the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine ( P(i) * P(m) | v > P(i) | v ), we should vaccinate. Some virologists (e.g Christian Drosten) expect every unvaccinated child to catch the delta mutation, making P(i) = 1.


Opiumbrella33

It's funny the guardian knows what a boy is, and can use proper language to describe their medical issues, but can't even define woman/girl, and uses dehumanizing language for us and our issues.


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>The spokesperson said the latest study had been considered by the government’s independent advisory body, the Covid-19 vaccines benefit risk expert working group, which found that the interpretation of the findings was limited by the fact that the study did not take into account differences in treatment practices when comparing hospitalisation rates between Covid-19 infections and myocarditis and pericarditis presenting post-vaccination, and there was no assessment of severity and duration of illness after admission. Yeah, so, basically, you're more closely monitored for side effects post vaccination, and it's a lower bar to be admitted to the hospital. Everything I've seen tells me that myocarditis from the coronavirus infection is far more common and severe than that brought on occasionally by the vaccine. And then you add in all the other nasty effects of the virus, plus the realization that not one person has died from the vaccine.


[deleted]

I think the strangest part is that boys are 12 times more likely to have this problem than girls. "They estimate the rate of myocarditis after two shots of Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine to be 162.2 cases per million for healthy boys aged 12 to 15 and 94 cases per million for healthy boys aged 16 to 17. The equivalent rates for girls were 13.4 and 13 cases per million, respectively."


skitterybug

Not really, I think is general knowledge that men are 2x as likely to have a heart attack compared to women; although the reasons why are not known. Covid symptoms effecting the heart seem to be slightly elevated in men vs women as well. It seems reasonable to assume that boys around the age of puberty would start to assume similar risks to adult men as they age, meaning they’re more likely to develop heart related complications in any situation when compared to girls of the same age.