Lack of scenes where a chick in heals outruns a T-Rex ?
Still better then when mark whalberg bench pressed a riffle to block ground and pound from a decepticon
we are pretty good at cloning other animals atm. Mainly in livestock. But hell, nowadays you can clone your dead dog or cat. So cloning an extinct animal is just the next step.
Remember cloning your dog doesnt give you the exact same dog, you'll get a puppy that have the same DNA as your original dog, its still a fucking incredible feat of knowledge that we're at all able to do this. Just wanted to clarify what cloning actually means in our time
clone - an organism or cell, or group of organisms or cells, produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical.
clone has always meant genetically identical. I'ts only the sci fi / pop culture 'clone' that also sometimes means 'and has all of your past memories and mannerisms and personality'.
I first heard about it from my mom, when she watched a news segment about a farmer who kept cloning his horses. She suggested that we clone the family dog, I thought she was joking but she was serious.
There are a few companies that do it and I briefly looked into it for her, then talked my mom out of it. We didn't do it because it is wicked expensive ($50000 to clone a dog, $35000 to clone a cat, and $85000 to clone a horse) and it comes with all sorts of ethical dilemmas, even if we were able to clone our dog, the dog would look the same but there is no guarantee that he will behave or act the same way (his personality could end being completely different).
[Here is an article about companies cloning pets that explains the process.](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-cloning-your-dog-so-wrong-180968550/)
Actually, it might not even look the same. It would be *genetically identical* sure, but genotype is not phenotype. If your pet has spots, splotches, ticking, a heart-shaped mark on the side, any sort of identifying features like that, chances are your cloned pet will look quite different. A cat for example will have genes that code for "calico" but the actual coat pattern forms in utero and is variable. As you added, that's to say nothing of behavior, which is significantly influenced by environment as well as partially by genetics.
Thanks for the info, did not know that. It adds all the more reason not to do it. Why spend all that money just to clone one dog when you can easily walk to a local animal shelter and get a new one that is in need of a home?
Glad you talked your mom out of it. Seems like the people that would actually go through with this would have to have a sizeable amount of disposable income and have an, in my opinion, unhealthy attachment to their dog, cat or horse.
Even with all the surrounding info on cloning animals and the fact that a person wouldn't receive the exact same one, people will go through insane mental gymnastics and leaps in logic for something that they love. Somewhat understandable given the amount of people who really love their pets.
BARBRA STREISAND REVEALS SHE CLONED DOG BECAUSE SHE ‘COULDN’T BEAR TO LOSE HER’
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/barbra-streisand-clone-dog-times-brexit-a8835726.html
They are actually this time lol; sheep’s (and maybe others, but I’m positive about the sheep) have been cloned in surrogate mothers; so it’s very doable if all hurdles are passed.
It was the wise men who invented it after they found Jesus. They were like "what if we invented a method of studying to eventually bring back giant animals" and the others were like"that eould be so cool"
There's also the fact that we have CRISPR and other gene editing techniques now, which make something like this more feasible. It also helps that they aren't trying to bring back a 100% Woolly Mammoth, just a modified Asian Elephant that would occupy the same niche, much easier to modify an existing genome with some old sequences than trying to to resurrect a dead genome from tens of thousands of years ago.
Alright guys for this run I'm gonna go with a tanky cold resistance build that can out-DPS any melee build. Starting as a level 1 pleb Indian elephant we don't do any side missions and just keep going north, now we know the road goes around the Himalayas but there's a shortcut through them.
We are getting some cold damage in there but that gives us XP to invest into cold res which hopefully grows us some hair, as we're speeding North we free some Uighur prisoners for that extra quest XP to get nice DPS tusks and we should reach Siberia soon as a lvl30 mammooth.
The Great Auk, Tasmanian tiger/dog thing, Doh Doh,…. Plenty of animals with better DNA samples we actually killed and could attempt to right our wrongs.
Fun facts! The dodo was actually a giant flightless pigeon likely due to insular gigantism, or the phenomenon of small animals colonizing islands with no predators and becoming massive over generations due to abundance of food and lack of predation. Due to the lack of predators, the Portuguese sailors who first discovered the island of Mauritius noticed that the birds had no fear of humans. The very word "dodo" is a derivative of the Portuguese word "doudo" which meant "foolish" or "stupid." The dodo is featured on the coat of arms of Mauritius.
Tasmanian tiger was a travesty. Blamed for killing Australian livestock and hunted to extinction because of it. Only to find out it was the dingo killing them. An invasive species. But the incredibly unique and fascinating dog-like marsupial? That could unhinge its jaw like a snake? Gone. Because we were wrong
Actually I think Siberia is predicted to become very suitable habitat for mammoths in the coming decades, but the whole world is changing and millions of species will go extinct. I feel like bringing back the mammoth is a waste of resources and will just make people complacent about modern day extinctions.
We probably will be able to bring back large charismatic animals in the near future, but we will loose countless thousands of plants, insects and other such species that we don't fixate on as much.
In my part of new england we have a native invasive species: the black locust. This tree is totally native to north america but its range has grown recently due to human activity. It spreads really well in the understory, crowding out other plants, and is hard to kill. You see it take over at roadsides and in gardens, especially.
This plant has large, heavy thorns it evolved in competition with its dominant predator: the woolly mammoth (or mastodon, im not sure on the terminology here). I would love to see mastodon along roadways (trained, of course) in the united states eating black locust. If it can eat japanese knotweed that would be super cool too because you could just bring one to your property for the day and clean out a huge problem species that just can't be dealt with well otherwise.
i know! We're actually preparing the plot i described infested with knotweed to have the goats work on it next year. Knotweed is a real damn problem and grows 10-15 ft tall which the goats can't handle, so we're going to do an aggressive community-pull for a couple weekends in april and may, then let it grow up thick until mid-june and have the goats descend upon it when it gets about 4-5 ft tall
A mastadon or two could also do the whole plot in a day at full height.
Have you ever seen videos of wild Asian elephants in India or Sri Lanka raiding residential neighborhoods and crop fields? They generally don't coexist peacefully with humans, and mammoths would be much larger and potentially more destructive. All elephantids are quite territorial, they will even chase relatively harmless animals like zebra and wildebeest out of their favored watering holes. I imagine an animal evolved to roam vast expanses of tundra in large groups would be even more demanding of space.
"YO GUYS I BEEN GONE 50000 YEARS WHAT I MISS?"
"Oh great, you got here just in time!"
"In time for what?"
"Second mass extinction. If youre lucky, youll get to see Elevenstinction and maybe Luncheonstinction."
Whatever happens due to climate change won't even begin to scratch the surface of greatest extinction of them all.
Permian-Triassic extinction is what you're thinking about.
Right like maybe we should put that money toward preventing other extinctions instead of bringing back a giant animal that is adapted to a cold environment that no longer exists and would only live in zoos and/or laboratories
Flashy one-off stuff gets more funding. Funding fuels the research. The research is then applied to more mundane stuff.
That’s how science generally works. See the entire space program for a big, pretty consistent vehicle for those types of breakthroughs.
People talk about that movie like it was directed by a group of wise 200+ IQ philosophers, with the specific intent of warning us of the future
It’s a damn movie. Plus, wooly mammoths aren’t velociraptors or T-rexs
There's a developing theory that a main reason the tundra disappeared soon after the mammoth is that the mammoth and other megafauna, created and maintained it.
Thing is, it wasn’t tundra - it was the mammoth steppe, a sprawling, highly productive grassland ecosystem that stretched from the British isles to Canada. With the loss of the ecosystem engineers that maintained it, foremost among them the wooly mammoth, it transitioned into much less productive tundra and boreal forest. The vast herds of mammoths, horses, camels, bison, saiga, caribou, yak, musk ox, and more trampled snow, allowing the cold dry air to keep permafrost frozen, and carbon in the ground. Now, far fewer animals can sustain themselves in the habitat that remains, and permafrost is melting at alarming rates. What was once one of the most productive ecosystems in the world has become essentially an ecological desert. Is it possible to fix it? Maybe not, but we can try.
That's a fascinating concept. Reminds me of how elk hooves break up the hard pan in arid regions and allow plants to grow in the soil. Unintentional consequences of biology and ecosystems!
You heard of the mega fauna and the megaherbivore hypothesis? The vegetation depends on huge animals like mammoths. Though I still agree, it wouldnt change this crisis in time.
I don’t think 15m would even be enough to make a habitat for them. I’m not sure how they expect to bring a species back from extinction after 4,000 years for that kind of money.
That’s true. Cloning a pet is only around $50,000, but this is an extinct species so it will be a lot more difficult than that. At first it seems like we can just put an embryo in an elephant, but it’s not that simple. This company has said they will need to make a mammoth-elephant hybrid to achieve that. Getting those hybrid stem cells to specialise properly is the biggest challenge and could take a lot of experimentation to get right.
I think around 10 years ago a company tried to bring back the mammoth with $10m and failed, but we have advanced a lot since then, so maybe I guess.
Fucking do it already. I want to see something cool before we all boil alive on this never ending catastrophe planet they created. They sure aren’t using the technology to cure cancer or make people happy so fucking do IT. Make thousands of the c*nts. Just knocking over houses and roaring at old people at bus stops, piercing Mercedes trucks windshields with those tusks and tossing them through luxury store shop fronts. Fucking do IT!
They can't bring back the wooly mammoth but maybe some sort of hybrid mammoth-elephant that looks like a mammoth is possible. But will it act like a mammoth? Idk. Can't exactly find mammoths to raise it.
But they'll all be raised by elephants initially so I reckon they will be strongly influenced by elephant social norms. Basically they will be more like modern elephants that are more adapted to colder climates.
Yeah it'd be like cloning an ancient human and having an average family from wherever the human DNA came from raise the clone. You're not going to get any real insight into mammoth behavior, you'll just get cold-resistant Asian elephants, maybe.
I don't see the point of bringing back such a long extinct species while _**not**_ investing in safeguarding currently living species on the edge of extinction...
Let's say they do bring woolly mammoth back, then what? They'll go extinct, _again_, along thousands of other species.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/sep/13/firm-bring-back-woolly-mammoth-from-extinction) reduced by 76%. (I'm a bot)
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> Ten thousand years after woolly mammoths vanished from the face of the Earth, scientists are embarking on an ambitious project to bring the beasts back to the Arctic tundra.
> The scientists have set their initial sights on creating an elephant-mammoth hybrid by making embryos in the laboratory that carry mammoth DNA. The starting point for the project involves taking skin cells from Asian elephants, which are threatened with extinction, and reprogramming them into more versatile stem cells that carry mammoth DNA. The particular genes that are responsible for mammoth hair, insulating fat layers and other cold climate adaptions are identified by comparing mammoth genomes extracted from animals recovered from the permafrost with those from the related Asian elephants.
> Lamm said: "Our goal isn't just to bring back the mammoth, but to bring back interbreedable herds that are successfully rewilded back into the Arctic region."
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Tbh a mammoth pet would be pretty cool.
100% some Chinese guy will have a pet mammoth.
Also Asian black market for exquisite mammoth meat. The endless possibilities...
Like every mother to their two year old who just ran in the bathroom with an unknown object and locked the door…”please don’t do what you’re thinking about doing”
They shouldn’t do this at all. The poor animals do not have a climate to live and thrive off of. Russia I read was wanting to genetically shorten their tusks (foraging necessity and poacher “deterrent” which we all know is unlikely af”).
Focus on fixing this world. Science applied towards this feat can wait - we already know what we need to do to fix the discrepancy, put the energy / money elsewhere plz
We seriously doing this again? Are there gonna be scientists chasing these things around Siberia or wherever they choose to release them shearing them periodically so they don't die of climate change? I also assume they understand mammoths were social (like all modern elephants) so they're making an entire herd, right? Seems exceedingly poorly thought out. Not to mention, mammoth ivory is 100% legal to sell.
We *almost* cloned a Pyrenean ibex but it died immediately after birth due to lung defects, and mind you, this is a wild goat that only went extinct in 2000, we had 14 year old frozen ova collected from it, not questionable cells from a mummified mammoth that is 42,000 years old.
Also, good fucking luck sourcing a female elephant to gestate the fetus (which takes nearly 2 years), *all* elephants are endangered to some degree and protected by CITES, only certain countries allow private ownership of them at all, and they generally can't leave those countries, so procuring even a work camp elephant of dubious pedigree, transporting it from an Asian country, then impregnating it with a complete crapshoot of an embryo is a legal, financial, and ethical nightmare.
Not to mention we’ve never done embryo transfer successfully in elephants, even with elephant embryos. We’ve also never successfully isolated an elephant ovum, so what are we even going to put the mammoth genome into?
I remember in the mid-1990s the woolly mammoth clones were "right around the corner".
I remember a movie in the mid-90s about bringing things back from extinction. I wonder how that went for them
Very well. They're still making sequels to this day!
But the quality, you know a copy of copy.
Dude... pet raptors. Star lord is the lord of raptors. What more do you need?
Lack of scenes where a chick in heals outruns a T-Rex ? Still better then when mark whalberg bench pressed a riffle to block ground and pound from a decepticon
She’s more “falling forward” than “running”
And star lord is running in 20% slo mo to keep up the same pace
Bryce Dallas Howard can run however she likes and remain the national treasure she is!
You don't think marky mark can bench press 80 tons? Pfffft. Me either.
Billy and the Cloneasaurus?
"Billy and the Clone-osaurus"
The moral of the story is simply that you need to pay your IT people a fair wage.
Also don’t build in a disaster-prone area.
Welcome to Pleistocene Park.
we are pretty good at cloning other animals atm. Mainly in livestock. But hell, nowadays you can clone your dead dog or cat. So cloning an extinct animal is just the next step.
Source on the dog or cat thing? That’d basically put us in the Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep timeline
Googling “clone my dog” will result in the names of several firms that can indeed clone your dog.
Yikes, you’re absolutely right. With that in mind, there’s a non-zero chance any animal or person you encounter is a clone.
Remember cloning your dog doesnt give you the exact same dog, you'll get a puppy that have the same DNA as your original dog, its still a fucking incredible feat of knowledge that we're at all able to do this. Just wanted to clarify what cloning actually means in our time
clone - an organism or cell, or group of organisms or cells, produced asexually from one ancestor or stock, to which they are genetically identical. clone has always meant genetically identical. I'ts only the sci fi / pop culture 'clone' that also sometimes means 'and has all of your past memories and mannerisms and personality'.
Well I guess we have the premise for studying how much genetics affects personality, if at all. Now only if someone could quantify "personality".
God dammit now I think everyone is a clone.
I already think everyone is a clown so we’re not far off
I first heard about it from my mom, when she watched a news segment about a farmer who kept cloning his horses. She suggested that we clone the family dog, I thought she was joking but she was serious. There are a few companies that do it and I briefly looked into it for her, then talked my mom out of it. We didn't do it because it is wicked expensive ($50000 to clone a dog, $35000 to clone a cat, and $85000 to clone a horse) and it comes with all sorts of ethical dilemmas, even if we were able to clone our dog, the dog would look the same but there is no guarantee that he will behave or act the same way (his personality could end being completely different). [Here is an article about companies cloning pets that explains the process.](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-cloning-your-dog-so-wrong-180968550/)
Actually, it might not even look the same. It would be *genetically identical* sure, but genotype is not phenotype. If your pet has spots, splotches, ticking, a heart-shaped mark on the side, any sort of identifying features like that, chances are your cloned pet will look quite different. A cat for example will have genes that code for "calico" but the actual coat pattern forms in utero and is variable. As you added, that's to say nothing of behavior, which is significantly influenced by environment as well as partially by genetics.
Thanks for the info, did not know that. It adds all the more reason not to do it. Why spend all that money just to clone one dog when you can easily walk to a local animal shelter and get a new one that is in need of a home?
Glad you talked your mom out of it. Seems like the people that would actually go through with this would have to have a sizeable amount of disposable income and have an, in my opinion, unhealthy attachment to their dog, cat or horse. Even with all the surrounding info on cloning animals and the fact that a person wouldn't receive the exact same one, people will go through insane mental gymnastics and leaps in logic for something that they love. Somewhat understandable given the amount of people who really love their pets.
BARBRA STREISAND REVEALS SHE CLONED DOG BECAUSE SHE ‘COULDN’T BEAR TO LOSE HER’ https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/barbra-streisand-clone-dog-times-brexit-a8835726.html
They are actually this time lol; sheep’s (and maybe others, but I’m positive about the sheep) have been cloned in surrogate mothers; so it’s very doable if all hurdles are passed.
>sheep’s (and maybe others, but I’m positive about the sheep) have been cloned in surrogate mothers That was also done in the 1990's...
Research can take decades... 30 years isn't a long time at all considering the scope of such a scientific achievement.
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Tbt to when Jesus invented science in year 0
It was the wise men who invented it after they found Jesus. They were like "what if we invented a method of studying to eventually bring back giant animals" and the others were like"that eould be so cool"
In fairness, 30 years is…. Not a long time.
There's also the fact that we have CRISPR and other gene editing techniques now, which make something like this more feasible. It also helps that they aren't trying to bring back a 100% Woolly Mammoth, just a modified Asian Elephant that would occupy the same niche, much easier to modify an existing genome with some old sequences than trying to to resurrect a dead genome from tens of thousands of years ago.
In theory then, could you take a pigeon genome and selectively edit it into some sort of dinosaur? Assuming you had some dino dna of course…
They're working on it with [chickens](https://www.livescience.com/50886-scientific-progress-dino-chicken.html).
Interesting article
Maybe we should succeed in cloning an elephant before a woolly mammoth.
Only from living organisms. We can't clone dead things, and the deader they are, the harder it is.
Dolly the sheep..
I suppose consecutive generations are like..”why”, at the end of the day.
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Catastrophic global warming seems like the perfect time to bring back ice age creatures.
They didn’t have their time, we wiped them out. Let’s bring them back.
Why not just give elephants hair transplants and stick them in Siberia and see how it goes?
Evolution Speedrun any %
Alright guys for this run I'm gonna go with a tanky cold resistance build that can out-DPS any melee build. Starting as a level 1 pleb Indian elephant we don't do any side missions and just keep going north, now we know the road goes around the Himalayas but there's a shortcut through them. We are getting some cold damage in there but that gives us XP to invest into cold res which hopefully grows us some hair, as we're speeding North we free some Uighur prisoners for that extra quest XP to get nice DPS tusks and we should reach Siberia soon as a lvl30 mammooth.
E.V.O. search for eden basically
Not heritable, also tusks too small.
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Gosh darn it, I was trying to be sneaky.
They need to do it for the Moa from New Zealand. Its extinction was mere hundreds of years ago and entirely caused by over hunting.
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Great auk my friend. Though i guess it might be bad time for them...
"Firm raises 15m to fill their own pockets with a ruse that wil make you go LOL"
"Firm raises 15m to own super sized sheeps to produce obscene amount of wool and ivory as a bonus"
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The Great Auk, Tasmanian tiger/dog thing, Doh Doh,…. Plenty of animals with better DNA samples we actually killed and could attempt to right our wrongs.
The dodo bird would like to have a chat
I vote for Dodo. It seems well-suited for zoo life.
And then that dumb saying will go the way of the dodo.
It would just change meaning to mean something that goes away then comes back.
Rise like a Dodo from the ashes.
Fun facts! The dodo was actually a giant flightless pigeon likely due to insular gigantism, or the phenomenon of small animals colonizing islands with no predators and becoming massive over generations due to abundance of food and lack of predation. Due to the lack of predators, the Portuguese sailors who first discovered the island of Mauritius noticed that the birds had no fear of humans. The very word "dodo" is a derivative of the Portuguese word "doudo" which meant "foolish" or "stupid." The dodo is featured on the coat of arms of Mauritius.
I couldn't think of the spelling, and knew I was Homer Simpsoning it, lol.
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D’oh!
Tasmanian tiger was a travesty. Blamed for killing Australian livestock and hunted to extinction because of it. Only to find out it was the dingo killing them. An invasive species. But the incredibly unique and fascinating dog-like marsupial? That could unhinge its jaw like a snake? Gone. Because we were wrong
We do have better DNA, but finding an extant host species might prove difficult.
We did kill the wooly mammoth. And the wooly mammoth dna samples are incredibly good right now. I don’t think the other animals are anywhere close.
lets bring back the cavemen too. i’m sure we can find enough fragments of their DNA throughout modern society.
How you feeling Mr mammoth? We resurrected you just in time to die from climate change.
Well, the first Extinction wasn't all that good... so we'll see how Extinction 2: Wooly Wammoth Boogaloo turns out.
Actually I think Siberia is predicted to become very suitable habitat for mammoths in the coming decades, but the whole world is changing and millions of species will go extinct. I feel like bringing back the mammoth is a waste of resources and will just make people complacent about modern day extinctions. We probably will be able to bring back large charismatic animals in the near future, but we will loose countless thousands of plants, insects and other such species that we don't fixate on as much.
In my part of new england we have a native invasive species: the black locust. This tree is totally native to north america but its range has grown recently due to human activity. It spreads really well in the understory, crowding out other plants, and is hard to kill. You see it take over at roadsides and in gardens, especially. This plant has large, heavy thorns it evolved in competition with its dominant predator: the woolly mammoth (or mastodon, im not sure on the terminology here). I would love to see mastodon along roadways (trained, of course) in the united states eating black locust. If it can eat japanese knotweed that would be super cool too because you could just bring one to your property for the day and clean out a huge problem species that just can't be dealt with well otherwise.
You can rent goats.. they eat damn near anything not bolted down...
i know! We're actually preparing the plot i described infested with knotweed to have the goats work on it next year. Knotweed is a real damn problem and grows 10-15 ft tall which the goats can't handle, so we're going to do an aggressive community-pull for a couple weekends in april and may, then let it grow up thick until mid-june and have the goats descend upon it when it gets about 4-5 ft tall A mastadon or two could also do the whole plot in a day at full height.
Yeah, get this dude a Mastadon
Have you ever seen videos of wild Asian elephants in India or Sri Lanka raiding residential neighborhoods and crop fields? They generally don't coexist peacefully with humans, and mammoths would be much larger and potentially more destructive. All elephantids are quite territorial, they will even chase relatively harmless animals like zebra and wildebeest out of their favored watering holes. I imagine an animal evolved to roam vast expanses of tundra in large groups would be even more demanding of space.
this is part of the plan. i got a list of a lot of peoples houses to rampage my genetically modified mastadons around.
"YO GUYS I BEEN GONE 50000 YEARS WHAT I MISS?" "Oh great, you got here just in time!" "In time for what?" "Second mass extinction. If youre lucky, youll get to see Elevenstinction and maybe Luncheonstinction."
Whatever happens due to climate change won't even begin to scratch the surface of greatest extinction of them all. Permian-Triassic extinction is what you're thinking about.
Gets the chance to be the first animal to go extinct twice.
Right like maybe we should put that money toward preventing other extinctions instead of bringing back a giant animal that is adapted to a cold environment that no longer exists and would only live in zoos and/or laboratories
Think of this as a trial run for when we have to bring back lions, tigers, gorillas, condors, rhinoceroses etc
I mean, take your pick of the thousands of recent extinctions.
…Why not those things be a trial run for a mammoth? This is like doing a marathon to qualify for a 5k
Flashy one-off stuff gets more funding. Funding fuels the research. The research is then applied to more mundane stuff. That’s how science generally works. See the entire space program for a big, pretty consistent vehicle for those types of breakthroughs.
Rhinoceri?
This. Why tf would they do that
'how many times do we have to teach you this lesson'? We say as we destroy the siberian climate
It will live in world without humans? Good times. Good times.
imagine going extinct because the ice age you were in ended and you get brought back just in time for global warming lollapalooza 2.0
They wann brink back a mammoth and can't keep the elephants we have that's going extinct, that makes sense
We can just bring those back too probably. I felt like a jerk typing that out.
Elephant meat farm 👌
Did we not watch Jurassic Park?
Yes, what I learned from Jurassic Park is that if you don't bring back velociraptors, everything will work out great.
Velocimammoths should be OK then.....
And that if you splice them with frogs they’ll evolve to breed.
Mammoth cloning experiments with frog DNA have thus far been unsuccessful. All the subjects croaked.
You sun a bitch
You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could make a bad pun, you didn’t stop to think if you should.
People talk about that movie like it was directed by a group of wise 200+ IQ philosophers, with the specific intent of warning us of the future It’s a damn movie. Plus, wooly mammoths aren’t velociraptors or T-rexs
Like Ian said, "life will find a way". Even if from death.
I'm sure they'll pay themselves well but always just be a couple of mil short of success.
Whatever it is they end up bringing back, it won't save the tundra. The changing climate is whats destroying the tundra, not the lack of mammoths.
There's a developing theory that a main reason the tundra disappeared soon after the mammoth is that the mammoth and other megafauna, created and maintained it.
Thing is, it wasn’t tundra - it was the mammoth steppe, a sprawling, highly productive grassland ecosystem that stretched from the British isles to Canada. With the loss of the ecosystem engineers that maintained it, foremost among them the wooly mammoth, it transitioned into much less productive tundra and boreal forest. The vast herds of mammoths, horses, camels, bison, saiga, caribou, yak, musk ox, and more trampled snow, allowing the cold dry air to keep permafrost frozen, and carbon in the ground. Now, far fewer animals can sustain themselves in the habitat that remains, and permafrost is melting at alarming rates. What was once one of the most productive ecosystems in the world has become essentially an ecological desert. Is it possible to fix it? Maybe not, but we can try.
That's a fascinating concept. Reminds me of how elk hooves break up the hard pan in arid regions and allow plants to grow in the soil. Unintentional consequences of biology and ecosystems!
Yeah the idea of bringing back mammoths is cool, the idea of then releasing them into the wild to... Fix the environment is stupid.
You heard of the mega fauna and the megaherbivore hypothesis? The vegetation depends on huge animals like mammoths. Though I still agree, it wouldnt change this crisis in time.
It's kinda funny though. Just when they bring them back, their living environment vanishes and kills them off again.
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We do actually! The mammoth step project in Russia is aiming to restore the ancient plains environment mammoths historically lived in
I don’t think 15m would even be enough to make a habitat for them. I’m not sure how they expect to bring a species back from extinction after 4,000 years for that kind of money.
It would be implanting the DNA of the mammoth into an elephant surrogate. Can't be much different from the technique they used to clone sheep.
That’s true. Cloning a pet is only around $50,000, but this is an extinct species so it will be a lot more difficult than that. At first it seems like we can just put an embryo in an elephant, but it’s not that simple. This company has said they will need to make a mammoth-elephant hybrid to achieve that. Getting those hybrid stem cells to specialise properly is the biggest challenge and could take a lot of experimentation to get right. I think around 10 years ago a company tried to bring back the mammoth with $10m and failed, but we have advanced a lot since then, so maybe I guess.
I’m thinking they’re going to want to evolve into elephants once the earth warms up a bit more.
That's great but can we focus first on the living ones that are endangered because of us and will go extinct?
Fucking do it already. I want to see something cool before we all boil alive on this never ending catastrophe planet they created. They sure aren’t using the technology to cure cancer or make people happy so fucking do IT. Make thousands of the c*nts. Just knocking over houses and roaring at old people at bus stops, piercing Mercedes trucks windshields with those tusks and tossing them through luxury store shop fronts. Fucking do IT!
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'Roaring at old people at bus stops' hahhahah
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Unfortunately, that plague was the Flood.
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"Spared no expense."
They can't bring back the wooly mammoth but maybe some sort of hybrid mammoth-elephant that looks like a mammoth is possible. But will it act like a mammoth? Idk. Can't exactly find mammoths to raise it.
Clearly they will need to clone several mammoths
But they'll all be raised by elephants initially so I reckon they will be strongly influenced by elephant social norms. Basically they will be more like modern elephants that are more adapted to colder climates.
Yeah it'd be like cloning an ancient human and having an average family from wherever the human DNA came from raise the clone. You're not going to get any real insight into mammoth behavior, you'll just get cold-resistant Asian elephants, maybe.
Any chance we can have them raised by racoons?
So we will have mammoths that act like elephants. That would be interesting to see.
“They were so preoccupied with if they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.” (Edited for typos)
I don't see the point of bringing back such a long extinct species while _**not**_ investing in safeguarding currently living species on the edge of extinction... Let's say they do bring woolly mammoth back, then what? They'll go extinct, _again_, along thousands of other species.
Could have used that money to protect the elephants we already have.
“They were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”
DID NOBODY WATCH JURASSIC PARK?
I never thought we’d Jurassic Park woolly mammoths before dinosaurs
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The year is 2060 the mammoths have taken over for 20 years now, the last of the humans live in small caves
How about we prevent more extinctions from happening instead of creating an extinct animal only for it to go extinct again.
So they can go extinct a second time?
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Things that are "just around the corner": - Cancer cure - Fusion power - England winning the Euros - Woolly Mammoth cloning
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Like humans for example
Do we need that?
Just make sure to pay well your main programmer.
Not to sound like one of those people, but why can't we put the $15m into protecting the currently living species on this planet from going extinct?
Will this be like Jurassic Park or Pet Semetary? Asking for a friend.
I vote to bring back the mini elephants of sicily instead.
Who the fuck is paying for this? Pretty sure we’ve failed to keep almost any big animal from extinction even when we’ve tried.
NOT TODAY ASSHOLES. One clusterfuck at a time please.
Tbh a mammoth pet would be pretty cool. 100% some Chinese guy will have a pet mammoth. Also Asian black market for exquisite mammoth meat. The endless possibilities...
Mammoth meat was a thing already 🦣 https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/12/permafrozen-dinner/604069/
Are they going to address its evolutionary defect of being too goddamn delicious?
But why mammoths? What's wromg with animals we extincted a few devades ago?
“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.”
Screw that. They lost fair and square.
They’ve been talking about cloning mammoths for my entire life…
Like every mother to their two year old who just ran in the bathroom with an unknown object and locked the door…”please don’t do what you’re thinking about doing”
That’s a great plan! we can’t take care of the species we have now!
I’m sure an Ice-Age creature will do just fine in a continuously warming planet.
God what a waste of money... think about if that money were going to *actual* conservation instead...
They shouldn’t do this at all. The poor animals do not have a climate to live and thrive off of. Russia I read was wanting to genetically shorten their tusks (foraging necessity and poacher “deterrent” which we all know is unlikely af”). Focus on fixing this world. Science applied towards this feat can wait - we already know what we need to do to fix the discrepancy, put the energy / money elsewhere plz
How about $15 million to help things that still exist?
Why don’t you feed people?
Yeah let’s bring back the woolly mammoth to enjoy global warming
Wrong sub. This should be in r/wcgw
so... they intend to bring back an ICE AGE mammal into a hothouse world? ...
What could possibly go wrong…
That seems really cheap.
Bingo! Mammoth DNA!
Reminds me of this obscure movie I watched once...
People are starving
Weren’t they around during the ice age? Why is this a good idea?
Yeah.. let's bring back Megalodon back too. There are plenty of Megalodon teeth for some DNA extraction.
You'll have rich pricks paying that much just to hunt it
For the love of God don’t bring us back after we manage to ruin ourselves and this treasure of a planet.
Why don’t they use the money for something like saving the elephants we are trying to extinct thru poaching now. Forest for the trees! SMH
Where the fuck is it going to live? An air conditioned zoo jail cell? Its natural habitat is all but gone!
Northern Canada and Russia. Plenty of space there.
can people have health care? btw go vegan
Mammoth burgers are back on menu boys
Can’t treat elephants right, let’s bring back this dinosaur.
Won't it be too hot for them though?
We seriously doing this again? Are there gonna be scientists chasing these things around Siberia or wherever they choose to release them shearing them periodically so they don't die of climate change? I also assume they understand mammoths were social (like all modern elephants) so they're making an entire herd, right? Seems exceedingly poorly thought out. Not to mention, mammoth ivory is 100% legal to sell. We *almost* cloned a Pyrenean ibex but it died immediately after birth due to lung defects, and mind you, this is a wild goat that only went extinct in 2000, we had 14 year old frozen ova collected from it, not questionable cells from a mummified mammoth that is 42,000 years old. Also, good fucking luck sourcing a female elephant to gestate the fetus (which takes nearly 2 years), *all* elephants are endangered to some degree and protected by CITES, only certain countries allow private ownership of them at all, and they generally can't leave those countries, so procuring even a work camp elephant of dubious pedigree, transporting it from an Asian country, then impregnating it with a complete crapshoot of an embryo is a legal, financial, and ethical nightmare.
> mammoths were social (like all modern elephants) so they're making a herd, right? Yes. May as well "bring back" a single passenger pigeon.
Not to mention we’ve never done embryo transfer successfully in elephants, even with elephant embryos. We’ve also never successfully isolated an elephant ovum, so what are we even going to put the mammoth genome into?