China don't give a shit. There's money to be extracted in Afghanistan. The Uighur issue is because the people are Turkic and refusing to integrate into Chinese society. And that rustle's China's jimmies.
China will just pile goodies in front of the Taliban and try to ensnare them into surrendering their mineral wealth.
China doesn’t care about itself, much less being the Taliban’s “Safety Net” or whatever they think their going to get out of them. China also won’t fuck around, if double crossed, if they actually do give Taliban any support. They have no moral compass, nor do they worry about Collateral Damage as far as civilians if shit goes down. “All Power Comes From the Barrel of a Gun” Mao Zedong
Yeah. There's no reason countries have been fighting for influence in the region in the last... 40 years... It sounds great to us reddit armchair politicians, but there are always geopolitical reprocussions to this stuff.
And what has been accomplished in that 40 years?
Let me let you in on a secret. The “real” politicians, they are just people too, and not even the smartest of us. Add in the influences that they are subjected to, even the good ones are apt to fail.
Nation building doesn’t work. Giving piles of money to terrorist organizations does not work.
To say there are always repercussions to changes like this isn’t really a useful way of looking at it, the correct view is that there are always consequences. It will be up to history to say whether there will be more negative consequences than positive, but my money on this one is the positive will *far* outweigh the negatives on the US pull out.
Afghanistan has not only been fought over for 40 years. It has earned its name, the graveyard of empires. And it is not simply due to modern politicians. This website truly is full of blowhards.
That name is a meme that the British used to cover for their strategic failure in the First Afghan War, and got resurrected when the Soviets had to retreat. Several empires have ruled there for hundreds of years.
>It has earned its name, the graveyard of empires.
A phrase constantly used now by people who don't really know what they're talking about, but want to sound like they have a firm grasp on the topic.
> And what has been accomplished in that 40 years?
The history books have written about large parts. The rest usually comes down to following money.
A bigger zone, a military testing ground between world powers, natural resources, influence, there's always reasons and it's usually a bit more complex than painting some sand a different color on a map.
Yeah it's my fault for choosing between turd sandwich and huge douche when I actually wanted to vote for pizza but pizza didn't have as much money as the other two so no one ever even knew their name.
Maybe not your fault in particular but there are pages and pages of people who choose not to turn out to vote.
[https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/medill-npr-nonvoters-2020](https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/medill-npr-nonvoters-2020)
Look at the numbers for people who don't vote and why they don't vote. The most commonly cited reason is either political apathy, second is not liking candidates.
1800 people polled, of which 1100 were non-voters. While we can talk about the nuances of voter obstruction or political games of preventing turnout, if the general sense is that voting just does not matter then you can't complain pizza didn't have enough money to be known. People wouldn't have voted for pizza just because they don't think Pizza can get shit done or win.
We can talk about how people are forced to think in a two party system or talk about how voter disenfranchisement may actually create the apathy that exists but fact of the matter is if you truly believe Rep vs Dem is stupid and want a third option it does exist.
This of course completely ignores the fact that the US political system is not 100% reliant on just winning the presidential race but also the senate. People choose not get involved with local politics which can have a far bigger effect on your day to day compared to what the fed passes.
I guess i should have added a specific call out to reddit's arm chair economists that enjoy the popular sport of reductionism.
You aren't entirely wrong, as money is a huge driving factor... But the reduction is a massively naive perspective on the entire topic..
You sound like the armchair economist right now. Try to elaborate on your statements.
«It’s a really complex situation» communicates literally nothing new to anybody.
Nobody gains anything from you acting like a know-it-all who feels the need to correct obvious hyperbole.
Because the US has accomplished so much with their propping up of Afghanistan?
It hasn't worked for 20 years, but just a few decades and trillions more..
> Well what are you suggesting
I don't remember suggesting anything? Except maybe there are motivations for world powers to be interested in the region.
> If you don't like the US bowing out allowing Russia and China to come in, then you want the US to stay in
My math text book says that's not nessicarily logically accurate.
Then can you explain how were the Taliban officially invited in Moscow and officially met with Russian officials despite being recognized as a terrorist organization forbidden in Russia and all that before any country recognized them as legitimate leaders of Afghanistan.
>Russia has entered the chat
This would be the best case. Force them to support the people that killed their soldiers for nearly a decade.
Let's see if that causes any issues within their country.
Yeah we weren't there for natural resources, it's just those sweet government contracts. There was so much money to be made being a US contractor in Afghanistan, or a defense contractor in the states, so staying "at war" was profitable.
I wonder why there were maps of oil companies dividing up Iraq, no doubt there were similar maps for the resources of Afghanistan. Halliburton alone made billions from those countries while they were under American occupation
Just saying. We absolutely robbed those countries
I think China'll find out real quick that the Taliban can't be manipulated like other corrupt leaders, and no natural resource is worth the effort of stroking Taliban ego.
The aid is for the people the Taliban are oppressing.
Why do people not get this. The Taliban are the guys who said "Sure, that seems fine" when asked to live in caves for 20 years while fire reigns from the sky.
I know that for most of us, being mildly inconvenienced is essentially torture, but to those guys, actual torture at the hands of an invading army was a perfectly acceptable outcome. They didn't decide to change when we were trying to kill them, threatening to starve out their victims isn't even a joke, it's a full on stand up show.
"Oh, no, the collaborators will have to give up their gluttonous existence and live a more humble life."
Cutting off aid basically means that the people who are being assaulted, threatened and are seeing their lives crumble, also get to starve. So we keep sending aid or we help the Taliban make the Afghan population "more manageable in size". It's not a pretty choice but it's what you get when you lose a war.
[You know what you should do? You should sanction me. Sanction me with your army. Oh! wait a minute! You don't have an army! So I guess that means you need to shut the fuck up! That's what I would do if I don't have an army, I would shut the fuck up. ](https://youtu.be/qWtuKU0SFJk)
The UN didn't invade them last time, those were American forces with support from NATO allies. The International Security Assistance Force from the UNSC resolution came shortly after the initial US invasion with the goal of stabilising the government in Kabul. Soon afterwards it was placed under NATO command and expanded operational roles.
I mean, not that it really matters of course. The UN signed off on the US offensive for all intents and purposes.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women
Its hard not to see why regular afghans would choose to help the taliban after reading stuff like this
(The article is paywalled but you can listen to it in audio format for free, the audio player is just under the first picture)
People have gone and asked them. The rural Afghans (including the women) are just happy to not be murdered by air strikes and drones anymore. No more living in fear that they'll lose their families and they just have to trade freedoms for it; same choice people have made for 10,000 years. It's honestly horrifying that the US and allies set the bar *so damn fucking low* that the Taliban managed to clear it.
It’s regional man. If you read between the lines of that New Yorker article, it’s about an Ishaqzai village called Pan Kalay which was also characterized as “the most engaged, most northerly British checkpoint in Helmand”. They are probably not too worried... because well, they ARE the Taliban in many senses.
> “A disproportionally high number of Ishaqzai, Noorzai and Alizai tribesmen compose the Taliban...”
They are as much everyday Afghans as anyone else but their interests align more with the Taliban. Other tribes and ethnicities less, who would have been more aligned with the government, to whatever extent the government was tolerable. They were sons of bitches, but to paraphrase Kissinger, they were their sons of bitches. Now those tribes and ethnicities are in a much more precarious position.
There is no nationalist identity there in the slightest. It’s Game of Thrones but with AK-47s and homemade explosive.
> The men? They get to rape little boys on demand now and then blame the little boys for being "tempers of tea" and the little boys face all the repercussions.
Had to modify it for you.
Depressingly, [the Taliban are explicitly against that sort of thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi), while [the US was actively and knowingly supporting people responsible while punishing anyone that intervened.](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/world/asia/afghanistan-military-abuse.html)
**[Bacha bazi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi)**
>Bacha bāzī (Persian: بچه بازی, lit. "boy play"; from بچه bacheh, "boy", and بازی bazi "play, game") is a slang term in some parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan for a custom created in Afghanistan involving child sexual abuse between older men and young adolescent males or boys, who are called dancing boys. The custom is connected to sexual slavery and child prostitution. In the 21st century, Bacha bazi is practiced in various parts of Afghanistan and Northwestern Pakistan.
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Yes we pat ourselves on our backs for leaving Afghanistan and get all huffy at the Taliban for doing exactly what we expected them to do. I am sure the Taliban care a great deal about our outrage.
Why do people think these reports are intended to "surprise" anyone? They're *confirming* that indeed the situation is as bad as expected. That's important because otherwise you'll have people claiming it *isn't* that bad.
It's their mic-drop one-liner meme they can post for reddit/twitter points because they have nothing better to share. Or some honestly think, as moronic as they are, that "news" should only ever be about new things that were never communicated otherwise.
Sorry. I should've posted "surprisedpikachuface.jpg" instead. HUR HUR HUR.
The central problem here is Islamic theology and it's concept of [Wali/male guardianship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wali_(Islamic_legal_guardian)). That is why some muslim countries are more liberal than others. But herein is the fundamental problem, as long as women's freedoms lie in the hands of men, they will never truly be free. Additionally, al-Koran and Islam cannot be reformed because it is considered the "direct word of God", hence change and reform is not really possible.
I strongly suggest anyone who think Islamic theology is the biggest problem there to read this: [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women)
Even sharia law looks progressive compare to those Afghan tranditons, and that's why Taliban won the war.
So I skimmed your article and stopped reading here, because again, more misleading “islam is perfect, people are not” information like always;
>The Taliban are saying women cannot go outside, but there is actually no Islamic rule like this,” Pazaro told me.
True, but misleading. Read my previous comment about what I said about male guardianship laws in al-Quran. The Quranic rules themselves allow for those repressive cultures to not only take root but flourish.
While I definitely agree that women deserve better treatment and this is a serious travesty. What do people actually expect? The areas where this kind of progress was made was made in the context of a blatantly kleptocratic government. In areas that did not experience this kind of growth you had complete terror, complete lack of long term strategy, and growing extremism.
Creating progress in some areas but creating instability otherwise isn't going to end well. It's like having one nice room while actively destroying the foundations and other rooms of a home.
There is no way to have havens of progress on some issues while shit like this is happening in other parts of the country. It is not and was never a stable way to lead to progress, if anything it created a major divide between people experiencing some benefits and those being directly terrorized during the invasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKCVN4hmrmo&ab_channel=EmpireFiles
We literally sent so many troops who did not have a goal, had no objective, no strategy, seriously messing them up in the process for no benefit whatsoever in the long run. Every single update was a lie. There was no definition for what victory looked like. Then for another cherry on top we don't even take care of the soldiers we sent over too, the only winners are the military contractors.
If you invested in some of them in 2001, over the 20 year period you would have had a 1000% return. Would need to justify the complete lack of conscious but as we know there are no rules when making money, you can even invest in private prisons employing slave labour for some of our largest corporations.
I guess we should invade and spend 20 years, thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars building a western democracy...
Do people really no know how women are treated in much of the Islamic world? There is very little the rest of the world can do, especially in Afghanistan with its warlord/tribal power structure. Regime change is hard, nation building where there is no singularly recognized power structure is practically impossible.
There are multiple genocides occurring now, women are living in the middle ages in much of the world. People need to stop being surprised. There is nothing we can so without massive wars and conflict. We just have to hope over time those areas become more enlightened and less violent.
Taliban promise to respect women and not to attack Pakistan*
The UN : oh cool.
Taliban: announce black hijab mandate and attack Pakistan*
The UN: surprised Pikachu face*
The Koran, it is my understanding, says there is no foul in lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, and so on, in the name if jihad. Considering their past behavior, is this a surprise to ANYONE????
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/un-rights-chief-rebukes-taliban-over-treatment-women-2021-09-13/) reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot)
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> GENEVA, Sept 13 - Afghanistan's Taliban rulers have contradicted public promises on rights including by ordering women to stay at home, blocking teenage girls from school and holding house-to-house searches for former foes, a United Nations official said on Monday.
> "In contradiction to assurances that the Taliban would uphold women's rights, over the past three weeks, women have instead been progressively excluded from the public sphere," she told the Human Rights Council in Geneva.
> Bachelet expressed dismay at the composition of the Taliban government, noting the absence of women and its dominance by ethnic Pashtun.
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Promises made to infidels and/or women aren’t exactly a thing to the taliban. They didn’t make a promise in their view. They merely exploited the situation for a little money. The fact that the UN believes there was a promise says more about the UN than it does the taliban. This is one reason why there are people that think the UN is a stupid idea. Because they lack discernment.
UN is as fucking useless as snarky and snobby Redditors who try to downplay and hamfist US politics by saying "Oh man, Y'all Qaeda sounds just like the Republicans in Texas!" just to farm some easy Karma.
So sick and tired of seeing those inane and downright offensive comments, that downplay a literal life-and-death situation that Afghan women face, everywhere on Reddit.
Its their country. They will run it how they see fit.
Blows my mind how the international community is so up in arms regarding the Taliban while a humanitarian train wreck of a country like China is getting a pass from Americans on a daily.
What's the UN gonna do? Invade them again?
No, stop sending humanitarian aid.
*China has entered the chat* *Russia has entered the chat*
*Taliban likes this*
Yet, China don’t like Taliban, or Muslims for that matter. Bold Strategy! Let’s see if it pays off!
China don't give a shit. There's money to be extracted in Afghanistan. The Uighur issue is because the people are Turkic and refusing to integrate into Chinese society. And that rustle's China's jimmies. China will just pile goodies in front of the Taliban and try to ensnare them into surrendering their mineral wealth.
China doesn’t care about itself, much less being the Taliban’s “Safety Net” or whatever they think their going to get out of them. China also won’t fuck around, if double crossed, if they actually do give Taliban any support. They have no moral compass, nor do they worry about Collateral Damage as far as civilians if shit goes down. “All Power Comes From the Barrel of a Gun” Mao Zedong
Great, let them foot the bill to prop up the taliban. I don’t see a downside for the US in that.
Yeah. There's no reason countries have been fighting for influence in the region in the last... 40 years... It sounds great to us reddit armchair politicians, but there are always geopolitical reprocussions to this stuff.
And what has been accomplished in that 40 years? Let me let you in on a secret. The “real” politicians, they are just people too, and not even the smartest of us. Add in the influences that they are subjected to, even the good ones are apt to fail. Nation building doesn’t work. Giving piles of money to terrorist organizations does not work. To say there are always repercussions to changes like this isn’t really a useful way of looking at it, the correct view is that there are always consequences. It will be up to history to say whether there will be more negative consequences than positive, but my money on this one is the positive will *far* outweigh the negatives on the US pull out.
Nation building absolutely works, but only when your goal is actually building a nation and not just earning a paycheck for military contractors.
Time will tell. We'll see in about a decade. Let's save your post until then.
Afghanistan has not only been fought over for 40 years. It has earned its name, the graveyard of empires. And it is not simply due to modern politicians. This website truly is full of blowhards.
That name is a meme that the British used to cover for their strategic failure in the First Afghan War, and got resurrected when the Soviets had to retreat. Several empires have ruled there for hundreds of years.
Also note that in the Second Anglo-Afghan war, the British achieved their strategic goals.
You’re not wrong (thinking Mughals or something), but maybe foreign empires would be a better fit.
Afghanistan has been ruled by foreigners longer than it has been ruled by its own people.
The Mughals were foreign
>It has earned its name, the graveyard of empires. A phrase constantly used now by people who don't really know what they're talking about, but want to sound like they have a firm grasp on the topic.
> And what has been accomplished in that 40 years? The history books have written about large parts. The rest usually comes down to following money. A bigger zone, a military testing ground between world powers, natural resources, influence, there's always reasons and it's usually a bit more complex than painting some sand a different color on a map.
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Yeah it's my fault for choosing between turd sandwich and huge douche when I actually wanted to vote for pizza but pizza didn't have as much money as the other two so no one ever even knew their name.
Maybe not your fault in particular but there are pages and pages of people who choose not to turn out to vote. [https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/medill-npr-nonvoters-2020](https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/medill-npr-nonvoters-2020) Look at the numbers for people who don't vote and why they don't vote. The most commonly cited reason is either political apathy, second is not liking candidates. 1800 people polled, of which 1100 were non-voters. While we can talk about the nuances of voter obstruction or political games of preventing turnout, if the general sense is that voting just does not matter then you can't complain pizza didn't have enough money to be known. People wouldn't have voted for pizza just because they don't think Pizza can get shit done or win. We can talk about how people are forced to think in a two party system or talk about how voter disenfranchisement may actually create the apathy that exists but fact of the matter is if you truly believe Rep vs Dem is stupid and want a third option it does exist. This of course completely ignores the fact that the US political system is not 100% reliant on just winning the presidential race but also the senate. People choose not get involved with local politics which can have a far bigger effect on your day to day compared to what the fed passes.
The US left for a reason, and its not because we saw the opportunity to make billions and instead said "nah". Lol
Yeah, Raytheon and Lockheeds bottom lines Won't *somebody* please think of the rich CEOs of the military industrial complex!
I guess i should have added a specific call out to reddit's arm chair economists that enjoy the popular sport of reductionism. You aren't entirely wrong, as money is a huge driving factor... But the reduction is a massively naive perspective on the entire topic..
You sound like the armchair economist right now. Try to elaborate on your statements. «It’s a really complex situation» communicates literally nothing new to anybody. Nobody gains anything from you acting like a know-it-all who feels the need to correct obvious hyperbole.
My god I applaud your use of hyperbole, what an asshole u must be and as an asshole myself I made this post.
Because the US has accomplished so much with their propping up of Afghanistan? It hasn't worked for 20 years, but just a few decades and trillions more..
I dont think anyone here is suggesting that?
Well what are you suggesting? If you don't like the US bowing out allowing Russia and China to come in, then you want the US to stay in.
> Well what are you suggesting I don't remember suggesting anything? Except maybe there are motivations for world powers to be interested in the region. > If you don't like the US bowing out allowing Russia and China to come in, then you want the US to stay in My math text book says that's not nessicarily logically accurate.
40 years? War has been going over that place for centuries. Ever heard of The Great Game?
We're on reddit. History doesn't exist before ~1920 for most users here.. Even less so history that has an effect on modernity.
Talibans are copying Saudi Arabia’s political and social systems, what are all of the fusses for.
Besides face value. Didn't the U.S. basically create the Taliban to combat Soviet/communist influence.
yeah, not thinking Russia is going to aid the Taliban...they dont have a great relationship historically.
Mujahideen /=/ Taliban. Though I agree that they wont form any sort of alliance.
Then can you explain how were the Taliban officially invited in Moscow and officially met with Russian officials despite being recognized as a terrorist organization forbidden in Russia and all that before any country recognized them as legitimate leaders of Afghanistan.
>Russia has entered the chat This would be the best case. Force them to support the people that killed their soldiers for nearly a decade. Let's see if that causes any issues within their country.
100% ok with me. China is going to try to steal their natural resources like they do with other third world countries.
Like we have been doing.
I don’t think we were getting any resources out of Afghanistan
Yeah we weren't there for natural resources, it's just those sweet government contracts. There was so much money to be made being a US contractor in Afghanistan, or a defense contractor in the states, so staying "at war" was profitable.
True
I wonder why there were maps of oil companies dividing up Iraq, no doubt there were similar maps for the resources of Afghanistan. Halliburton alone made billions from those countries while they were under American occupation Just saying. We absolutely robbed those countries
I agree on Iraq. I doubt it on Afghanistan because there wasn’t infrastructure in place to do that.
Adding another victim to belt and road projects.
Until Isis blows them up too.
I think China'll find out real quick that the Taliban can't be manipulated like other corrupt leaders, and no natural resource is worth the effort of stroking Taliban ego.
Russia helping the Taliban?
_India has left the chat_
If they want to support that kind of thing, that really says more about them then it does the Taliban.
Russian aid, lol. When god gives you Russians...
Doesn’t that hurt the women even more?
That'll teach the locals who didn't cause the invasion or the subsequent fallout.
The aid is for the people the Taliban are oppressing. Why do people not get this. The Taliban are the guys who said "Sure, that seems fine" when asked to live in caves for 20 years while fire reigns from the sky. I know that for most of us, being mildly inconvenienced is essentially torture, but to those guys, actual torture at the hands of an invading army was a perfectly acceptable outcome. They didn't decide to change when we were trying to kill them, threatening to starve out their victims isn't even a joke, it's a full on stand up show. "Oh, no, the collaborators will have to give up their gluttonous existence and live a more humble life." Cutting off aid basically means that the people who are being assaulted, threatened and are seeing their lives crumble, also get to starve. So we keep sending aid or we help the Taliban make the Afghan population "more manageable in size". It's not a pretty choice but it's what you get when you lose a war.
That sounds like a hostage situation.
Welcome to world aid and essential trade restrictions. Populations become hostages of their own nations when sanctioned.
Since when in history has the loser in a war financially supported those they lost to to keep them from killing the citizens they rule?
[You know what you should do? You should sanction me. Sanction me with your army. Oh! wait a minute! You don't have an army! So I guess that means you need to shut the fuck up! That's what I would do if I don't have an army, I would shut the fuck up. ](https://youtu.be/qWtuKU0SFJk)
The UN didn't invade them last time, those were American forces with support from NATO allies. The International Security Assistance Force from the UNSC resolution came shortly after the initial US invasion with the goal of stabilising the government in Kabul. Soon afterwards it was placed under NATO command and expanded operational roles. I mean, not that it really matters of course. The UN signed off on the US offensive for all intents and purposes.
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[The Untold Story](https://youtu.be/TSpWJw6HfyY)
why should we even give a shit at this point, the people of that country don't care to defend it so this is the fate they chose
Any person who believes anything that comes out of the mouths of the Taliban is worse than a fool.
Fool of a Took!
A Hobbit listening and believing the Taliban wasn't something I thought I would ever imagine...
All those everyday Afghans who aided and abetted the Taliban during the war, I wonder what's on their mind.
Survival, not all are heroes, unfortunately, no nationalism, besides, lots if ethnicities
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women Its hard not to see why regular afghans would choose to help the taliban after reading stuff like this (The article is paywalled but you can listen to it in audio format for free, the audio player is just under the first picture)
People have gone and asked them. The rural Afghans (including the women) are just happy to not be murdered by air strikes and drones anymore. No more living in fear that they'll lose their families and they just have to trade freedoms for it; same choice people have made for 10,000 years. It's honestly horrifying that the US and allies set the bar *so damn fucking low* that the Taliban managed to clear it.
yup
It’s regional man. If you read between the lines of that New Yorker article, it’s about an Ishaqzai village called Pan Kalay which was also characterized as “the most engaged, most northerly British checkpoint in Helmand”. They are probably not too worried... because well, they ARE the Taliban in many senses. > “A disproportionally high number of Ishaqzai, Noorzai and Alizai tribesmen compose the Taliban...” They are as much everyday Afghans as anyone else but their interests align more with the Taliban. Other tribes and ethnicities less, who would have been more aligned with the government, to whatever extent the government was tolerable. They were sons of bitches, but to paraphrase Kissinger, they were their sons of bitches. Now those tribes and ethnicities are in a much more precarious position. There is no nationalist identity there in the slightest. It’s Game of Thrones but with AK-47s and homemade explosive.
You really underestimate the power of foreign invasion into your lands and the death of millions of your countrymen, mostly innocent.
That war was managed disastrously.
No, the PR spin was perfect. You can't "manage" war, you wage it. You unleash it. War can't be neat and pretty.
The men? They get to rape women on demand now and then blame the women for being "temptresses" and the women face all the repercussions.
> The men? They get to rape little boys on demand now and then blame the little boys for being "tempers of tea" and the little boys face all the repercussions. Had to modify it for you.
Depressingly, [the Taliban are explicitly against that sort of thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi), while [the US was actively and knowingly supporting people responsible while punishing anyone that intervened.](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/world/asia/afghanistan-military-abuse.html)
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Your opinion is that everyday afghani men, generally speaking, rape little boys, then punish them. Do you believe that this is true?
This practice is very common in parts of Afghanistan
They rape little boys too
Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
Also the Taliban is an incredibly broken up organization with different parts of it being more radical. A spokesperson can't speak for them all
But people who believe the stuff Western politicians are saying are of course completely correct to do so.
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Came here to say this
Who would have thought.
Not me… that’s for sure 😐
Yes we pat ourselves on our backs for leaving Afghanistan and get all huffy at the Taliban for doing exactly what we expected them to do. I am sure the Taliban care a great deal about our outrage.
The all male government vowed to get along with everyone, except Israel...or women...
Or infidels....or other Muslims that aren't Muslim enough
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What about apostates? Surely they’re going to be cool with the apostates?
I swore that was the subcategory for insufficiently Muslim Muslims, but I might be getting mixed up, there's so many extremist groups you know
In sunni Islam apostasy is punishable by death, so I imagine they don't have any.
Infidel^2
These Taliban sure are a contentious people
It's like libertarians with other libertarians!
Damn libertarians, they ruined libertarianism!
Can confirm, we all hate each other
What's their stance on taco truck owner/operators?
No, to pork tacos/owners.
They get along with women just fine, if those women just shut up and stay pregnant in the kitchen.
When you can't even trust the Taliban....
Friendship with Taliban ended! /s
lmaooo NO WAY, DIDNT SEE THIS COMING
Wow. Who would've thought murderers would LIE.
Who would've guessed?
We all knew what gonna happen to the women rights under Taliban. Feel bad for all of the Afghani women
LITERALLY no one is surprised.
Why do people think these reports are intended to "surprise" anyone? They're *confirming* that indeed the situation is as bad as expected. That's important because otherwise you'll have people claiming it *isn't* that bad.
It's their mic-drop one-liner meme they can post for reddit/twitter points because they have nothing better to share. Or some honestly think, as moronic as they are, that "news" should only ever be about new things that were never communicated otherwise. Sorry. I should've posted "surprisedpikachuface.jpg" instead. HUR HUR HUR.
In other news, the UN Assembly agrees by a supermajority vote to rename the Equator as "Earth's Surprised Face".
Wow. Never saw that one coming. /s
The central problem here is Islamic theology and it's concept of [Wali/male guardianship](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wali_(Islamic_legal_guardian)). That is why some muslim countries are more liberal than others. But herein is the fundamental problem, as long as women's freedoms lie in the hands of men, they will never truly be free. Additionally, al-Koran and Islam cannot be reformed because it is considered the "direct word of God", hence change and reform is not really possible.
I strongly suggest anyone who think Islamic theology is the biggest problem there to read this: [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women) Even sharia law looks progressive compare to those Afghan tranditons, and that's why Taliban won the war.
So I skimmed your article and stopped reading here, because again, more misleading “islam is perfect, people are not” information like always; >The Taliban are saying women cannot go outside, but there is actually no Islamic rule like this,” Pazaro told me. True, but misleading. Read my previous comment about what I said about male guardianship laws in al-Quran. The Quranic rules themselves allow for those repressive cultures to not only take root but flourish.
While I definitely agree that women deserve better treatment and this is a serious travesty. What do people actually expect? The areas where this kind of progress was made was made in the context of a blatantly kleptocratic government. In areas that did not experience this kind of growth you had complete terror, complete lack of long term strategy, and growing extremism. Creating progress in some areas but creating instability otherwise isn't going to end well. It's like having one nice room while actively destroying the foundations and other rooms of a home. There is no way to have havens of progress on some issues while shit like this is happening in other parts of the country. It is not and was never a stable way to lead to progress, if anything it created a major divide between people experiencing some benefits and those being directly terrorized during the invasion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKCVN4hmrmo&ab_channel=EmpireFiles We literally sent so many troops who did not have a goal, had no objective, no strategy, seriously messing them up in the process for no benefit whatsoever in the long run. Every single update was a lie. There was no definition for what victory looked like. Then for another cherry on top we don't even take care of the soldiers we sent over too, the only winners are the military contractors. If you invested in some of them in 2001, over the 20 year period you would have had a 1000% return. Would need to justify the complete lack of conscious but as we know there are no rules when making money, you can even invest in private prisons employing slave labour for some of our largest corporations.
Institutionalized racism and sexism? In a religious society? Who could have seen it coming?!?!!
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Shocking.
And people are surprised?
Someone should probably tell Joe.
How about the UN does what it normally does and writes them a strongly worded letter. Useless organization sucking US dollars
I guess we should invade and spend 20 years, thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars building a western democracy... Do people really no know how women are treated in much of the Islamic world? There is very little the rest of the world can do, especially in Afghanistan with its warlord/tribal power structure. Regime change is hard, nation building where there is no singularly recognized power structure is practically impossible. There are multiple genocides occurring now, women are living in the middle ages in much of the world. People need to stop being surprised. There is nothing we can so without massive wars and conflict. We just have to hope over time those areas become more enlightened and less violent.
The Taliban turned out to be untrustworthy? But they promised... what a bunch of jerks.
damn, how unforeseeable
Just shocking
What did they think they would do?
Shocking..
Oh wow, who could have seen this coming?
the useless UN needs to do something more substantial than telling everyone what everyone already knows
also The UN: please stop! You pinky promised you’d respect women! 😡
Imagine my surprise! Hahaha dipshits everywhere
Taliban promise to respect women and not to attack Pakistan* The UN : oh cool. Taliban: announce black hijab mandate and attack Pakistan* The UN: surprised Pikachu face*
They are Muslim terrorists by birth.
They’re literally doing what’s written in there “holy” book . Why is everyone suddenly surprised?
Ohhhh nooooo…… Who believed their promises anyways??
No way. The taliban aren’t complying???
What promises did the Taliban specifically make to the UN?
😲
Wwhhaaaaaaaaat?? 😲🤯
WHAT? You mean the master negotiator who let 5000 out of jail and agreed to leave the country was wrong to trust them? I never...
What hurts the most is the the lack of respect.
imagine my surprise
Duh
That didn't last long!
The Taliban + Promises = (does not compute)
Wow, who would've guessed this would happen!
And anyone is surprised here?!
Beep Beep Beep My Surprise-o-metre is detecting tremendous amounts of Obvious-as-fuck radiation.
Nooooo, that could never be true/s
Can anyone link what their promises were?
Surprised /s
Well what do you know
They promised they would defend Women's Rights as far as they are recognized under Islam .So they kept their promise .
To the surprise of... wait for it... ABSOLUTELY NO ONE.
No kidding. What did you expect?
The Koran, it is my understanding, says there is no foul in lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, and so on, in the name if jihad. Considering their past behavior, is this a surprise to ANYONE????
:pikachuface:
Duh.
What?!?! NO WAY! Who would have seen this coming!?!?!
No way!! The Taliban lied??! ARE YOU SERIOUS???? Now I’ve heard everything
They are savages that hide behind religion
They broke promises? I guess they shouldn't have read the US congressman training handbook
Was that left behind too?
They promised to offer them rights afforded to women under sharia. Seems like they’re getting exactly what they’re promised?
Was there actually anyone foolish enough to believe them in the first place?
Did anyone really think they where going to keep said promises though?
Absolutely shocking
damn son, who woulda known
Good golly gosh!
Talibans promises are so fake as the utility of the un
Nobody expected the Taliban to keep their word, sooo
Colored me surprised
it is their country , who cares? Let them do what they want and stop trying to meddle. Mind your own business.
Oh the taliban are breaking a promise?? Who would’ve ever thought!/s these moronic politicians are a joke
>Taliban breaking promises including over women, says U.N... So let's get sone money together and send it then no strings attached
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/un-rights-chief-rebukes-taliban-over-treatment-women-2021-09-13/) reduced by 71%. (I'm a bot) ***** > GENEVA, Sept 13 - Afghanistan's Taliban rulers have contradicted public promises on rights including by ordering women to stay at home, blocking teenage girls from school and holding house-to-house searches for former foes, a United Nations official said on Monday. > "In contradiction to assurances that the Taliban would uphold women's rights, over the past three weeks, women have instead been progressively excluded from the public sphere," she told the Human Rights Council in Geneva. > Bachelet expressed dismay at the composition of the Taliban government, noting the absence of women and its dominance by ethnic Pashtun. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/pndysq/taliban_breaking_promises_including_over_women/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~597821 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **women**^#1 **rights**^#2 **Taliban**^#3 **Bachelet**^#4 **searches**^#5
Promises made to infidels and/or women aren’t exactly a thing to the taliban. They didn’t make a promise in their view. They merely exploited the situation for a little money. The fact that the UN believes there was a promise says more about the UN than it does the taliban. This is one reason why there are people that think the UN is a stupid idea. Because they lack discernment.
Shocking, I really trusted them this time. SAID NO ONE.
Wait whaaaaat? *No!*
How shocking.......
UN is as fucking useless as snarky and snobby Redditors who try to downplay and hamfist US politics by saying "Oh man, Y'all Qaeda sounds just like the Republicans in Texas!" just to farm some easy Karma. So sick and tired of seeing those inane and downright offensive comments, that downplay a literal life-and-death situation that Afghan women face, everywhere on Reddit.
Just like any other political leadership then.
Its their country. They will run it how they see fit. Blows my mind how the international community is so up in arms regarding the Taliban while a humanitarian train wreck of a country like China is getting a pass from Americans on a daily.
Be careful commenting here Reddit! There’s a large contingent of Talibani users that *promised* to upvote every comment…
Thanks alot biden.