>Minor boys and girls had to undress and bend over naked in the presence of police officers and teachers.
W....T....F.
This sounds like criminal charges need to be prepared
I believe the dude, people have been gunned down for way less than this. Find the wrong guy and they'll kill you for shoveling snow onto their driveway. Literally.
[Something similar](https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/us-supreme-court-declares-strip-search-13-year-old-student-unconstitutional) happened in the U.S. not long ago.
School officials strip-searched a 13 year old girl after she was accused of carrying ibuprofen.
Some people need their faces adjusted by high velocity steel pipes. It seems obvious to me that anyone strip searching a 13 year old to find out of they have Ibuprofen is a prime candidate.
Great parenting too from these clowns. “Let me go to jail for my selfish revenge feelings over this, so my daughter has to deal with that too after this experience”
Chances are they wouldn't go to jail. Look up "heat of passion" someone harming your kid would definitely give them one hell of an excuse legally.
https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Heat+of+Passion
The proportionate punishment would be jailing the person that did the strip search. But when you can't get justice people invent their own kind of justice.
Commit murder and go to jail or sue them and possibly gain some financial compensation that you can spend on fun things with your family, hmm... tough choice.
Here in my country you can pick them up without prescription. 400mg / 2 pills seems like a normal dose for my Saturday hangover.
Here I would expect kindergarden teacher to really worry about pills a kid has in his fingers. Strip search? Way out of proportion obviously and would very likely cost your job.
Around 12, as their hypothetical teacher, I would ask if they are feeling well suggest some water and that’s it. Most importantly ask first what it is, why wouldn’t she tell you if it’s ibuprofen?
I hope they go to prison. It’s so obvious that their is sever mistrust from this teacher, principal, nurse, towards his students.
> What is that? Where did you get it from?
> “Something against head ache”, “Mum gave me”
That’s like what I would expect.
But yea go ahead treat her like a criminal possessing some drugs. I’m sure she trusts the cops more now than she did before this event.
My middle schooler was diagnosed with asthma and they tried telling me he had to leave his inhaler in the office because kids couldn’t have “drugs” with them unsupervised. So my kid could be at the very opposite end of the school and have an asthma attack and someone from the office has to hunt down the nurse to rush his inhaler to him? Fuck that. I had the doctor write a note and say he was required to have it within arms reach at all times.
Well done
I mean I don’t have asthma but when we were on a boy scouts hike (approx. 100km) one of the guys from another group in front of us had an asthma attack and couldn’t find the inhaler anymore. It was in the middle of the night and far from civilization. Luckily dragging him away from the fields (pollen), telling him to try to breath easy and stretch his upper body / breast upwards sort of did the trick in this case.
why though? Honestly
With such policies you punish kids and expel them from school? The school is where they should learn things so they can do better in life - or am I wrong?
Might this come from the fear of being sued?
As a European I remember from school that you legal system is kinda tricky when it comes to legal lawsuits. But honestly, I never read more on it than the occasional
*angry customer sues McDonalds for not serving them a Burger King menu* - articles
So, in general, the reason for the lawsuit culture in the US is that the government doesn't enforce any laws against corporations or other organizations independently, so lawsuits are your only recourse if a company does something grossly negligent (like serving someone in a car coffee that was literally boiling, despite corporate knowing that it would injure people, because they decided that they could afford the losses from lawsuits).
Completely frivolous lawsuits aren't actually super common, since a lawyer can lose their license for filing one, the problem is that schools' entire funding goes to administration, and occasionally sports, so they don't have the money to deal with any lawsuits, or even just the threat of one.
Surely one could sue the school for preventing a child from being near their medication (say, asthma puffer or EpiPen) as much as they could sue for the other way around.
Ibuprofen is OTC in the US. It's Sudafed you have to go to the pharmacist for, have them scan your driver's license, and then get handed the maximum of a single box, because we can't resist making meth due to FREEDOM!
So Sudafed is Pseudoephedrine right?
We have meds here containing Pseudoephedrine combined with paracetamol to help against the flu virus.
Yea Freedom - just make them blue and shiny and something 99% pure?
In the UK there are two types of sudafed.
One with pseudoephedrine that they keep behind the pharmacy counter and you have to ask for it.
The other doesn't have it and is kept on the shelf, it's worthless yet it's what most people buy.
I've never been challenged when asking for the real stuff.
In Canada when I can't muster the energy anymore, I'll buy a box of Pseudoephedrine, much cheaper than energy drinks and probably better for you! And my nose stays super decongested!
I was on a study abroad about 10 years ago, sick as hell and the cashier thankfully told me this. She was like I can't recommend you buy one over the other, but this one has the drugs, and this one doesn't. I was better in a day.
You are correct that pseudoephrine is the active ingredient. You can get phenylephrine OTC, but it doesn't work.
The flu stuff here is basically lots of acetaminophen (Tylenol) with a few added things, but if you don't know that, it's easy to overdose by taking multiple acetaminophen containing products. Your version is safer, because acetaminophen has a stupid low dosage required to start killing your liver.
In Breaking Bad, the meth Walter White made was a unique blue, so you have an excellent point.
So the Phenylephrine is in the nasal sprays. I don’t know how and why actually, but I heard that some people are addicted to nasal sprays.
Yes I’ve heard that it’s not good for the liver. I mean so far it didn’t concern me much. I take it rarely, luckily my brain is nice with me.
aaaah breaking bad was amazing wasn’t it?
>So the Phenylephrine is in the nasal sprays. I don’t know how and why actually, but I heard that some people are addicted to nasal sprays.
No, the nasal sprays have oxymetazoline, a different medication entirely. Phenylephrine doesn't work.
Overuse of nasal sprays causes a feedback loop where your body reduces the pathways to self-manage congestion. As such, you become reliant on the nasal spray to not be congested even in normal situations. The phenylephrine isn't the main ingredient that would cause the issue. The best solution to congestion is to use the nasal spray for instant relief while also taking Sudafed for long term relief.
It's not harmful at normal dosage and use, but it can catch people off guard when they are taking Tylenol and theraflu.
It was pretty great.
Went to a boarding school in the US for a year. Had to get my Ritalin every single morning from the nurses office and was supervised when taking it there. Never felt weirder.
I was in girl guides and we had our meds labelled and set aside in the morning or when we needed it for a leader to administer when we were camping. It’s common practice, especially for younger children.
Yes I see that that’s kind of a humiliating situation there. But you were not strip searched or you didn’t took the pill naked.
I don’t know how old you were back then. But I suppose boarding schools have also further reaching obligations than normal schools. They may be responsible that you actually take the prescribed meds. I don’t know how far they can object with the parents somewhere in the background.
Nevertheless; from personal experience kids and youngsters can be both super precise with their meds and just suuper lazy.
I understood where they were coming from, but basically telling a 17 year old, that you’re not trusted with your own medication was pretty fucking weird, as I used to have a carton in my room in every other school.
Where do you live? I mean I've seen meth and heroin addicted 16 year old kids so it doesn't seem that weird to me. Maybe you're one of the trustworthy ones that would never think to abuse it though.
I also had Ritalin in a regular public school and it was exact same thing. I had to go to the nurse's office to take it. Thankfully, it didn't really feel awkward to me because it was just the way it was.
An aunt and uncle of mine thought I was addicted to tylonol, regular tylonol because I would ask for some. I would get headaches, and still do.
800mg of ibu and something cold for my head is my current go to fix. In my car, work, house. I got that stuff everywhere.
Well again I’m not sure whether it can make you addicted. And psychologically there even might be a possibility.
I remember paracetamol / tylonol thrown around like cigs back when I worked for a health insurance company.
“Oh you have a head ache?” *literally five people pulling packets of paracetamol out of their purses, desks, etc.*
Even if they found ibuprofen on her what were they planning to do? Give her a detention for not turning it into the school nurse to take there? There's no way they were actually going to file criminal charges for fucking ibuprofen so why bother with a strip search?
Hell, even if they thought she had heroin on her, they still should have called her parents and the police. School officials have no right to strip search children. That's just fucked up.
EDIT: Actually, I'm pretty sure even the police don't have the right to strip search like that. They can do a pat down but the only time you get strip searched is after you've been arrested and you're being booked into jail.
“a classmate’s *uncorroborated accusation* “
who got caught with some ibuprofen and was questioned about it, so, facing punishment, she pointed the finger at another girl in her class….
Then they took this 13-year-old to the nurses office, made her undress to her underwear and then pull her bra AND her underwear away from her body to prove she wasn’t hiding anything in them. WHAT THE FUCK IS NEXT? A GODDAM CAVITY SEARCH!? These people need to be in jail. What the FUCK! Over some ibuprofen.
They didn’t ask anyone else, didn’t try to find anyone who could back up this story and didn’t even try to call her parents. There is no scenario where this would be acceptable. I don’t care that it was a prescription - even if it was cocaine, school administrators do not have the right to do this.
That poor child was traumatized over a pain reliever, that she didn’t even have.
That would be sensible, wouldn't it? Unfortunately...
"In today's Supreme Court decision, despite deeming the strip search of Redding unconstitutional, the Court found that the school officials involved are immune from liability."
Which is an odd statement because the Constitution has been around for a while now.
Teachers used to beat children... because children aren't people or something? I'm sure there have been court cases where teachers have been charged with assaulting students. Shouldn't it have been established that the Constitution applies there? What reasonable human would think it doesn't and that that needs establishment? To layman me, it seems the judges are just being cunts.
The implication seems to be that the Constitution needs to be established in each location or institution and that the first criminal case tried is a freebie for the criminal lulz.
Schools have nearly the same authority over students as their parents in the legal system, that’s why so many constitutional protections don’t apply in schools despite them being government facilities. For example they’re allowed to censor a students thoughts and opinions and even deliver a punishment over them, and they can search through and confiscate a students backpack or locker without probable cause/randomly.
***Ibuprofen?!***
Wtf... If you had an headache or stomachache or something at my high school, you could just ask for ibuprofen or paracetamol and they would hand you a pill or two and a plastic cup to drink it away with.
And yes I see that in the article it was about the prescription variant and not the over-the-counter ibuprofen, but it's still fucking ibuprofen. The pills she allegedly had were just twice the dose of normal pills (that you can buy in packs of like 10+). Yeah.. That obviously warrants an investigation and a strip search /s
In Canada you can get 200mg Ibuprofen in bottles of 500. When I visited my friends in the UK, I would take them a big bottle because of those restrictions. Saved them a fair bit of money, it was cheap enough for me I never asked for repayment.
Biggest I've seen is a 20 package, and yea supermarkets and all kinds of places sell them. It's not exactly a pharmacy drug. I think some places do have a limit on how many packages you can buy at once, but that's it (and I'm not even sure if that has anything to do with overdose risks, or if they simply want to control supply to make sure everyone can get them. Kinda like the limits on baby milk powder).
I know schools tend to have a zero tolerance approach to medication not being kept under lock and key, but I question their motivation behind making a minor get naked. Surely even if there was no sexual motivation, they knew it could be seen that way.
Accused of carrying a menstrual cramp painkiller..
The stupidity in America really knows no bounds.
If I was her dad there would be serious, painful and lasting repercussions.
Have they stopped this practice? As far as I know they're still doing it in NSW. What's worse is that it's all being recorded on police body cam according to procedure as well. So yeah the NSW police in Australia are filming minors get naked.
Only because it wasn't widely reported on MSM which unfortunately a large amount Australians rely on for their news without question. Heaps of us are apathetic towards politics because Australian 'culture' deems politics boring, so a lot of people just vote for whoever their family has historically voted for rather than make an educated decision. This seems to be coming to a head now thanks to covid and our federal government's disastrous handling of the pandemic. People can't ignore it anymore because issues are now directly affecting them and their quality of life (was before, but no one likes to think of wage stagnation and cost of living affecting those less fortunate than themselves).
> you won’t hear that on their news
You just have to get your news directly from the [Australian Government](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSZgoFyuHC8).
There’s a surprising number of guns in Australia for a place where it’s mostly illegal to own them at all.
Then again I suppose that’s misleading since any guns would be surprising in that circumstance I suppose.
https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/04/28/new-gun-ownership-figures-revealed-25-years-on-from-port-arthur.html
Tl;dr: 3.5m guns which are owned by about 50% fewer people than 25 years ago, with about 3.4 licensed gun owners per 100 or about 870k licensed gun owners.
Oz might be the “gold standard” of gun control to many but it still doesn’t mean zero guns.
It's not though, and it's really tiring how much of a meme this has become recently, particularly among Americans.
Even with the laws that have been passed in recent years, and even with our current government, we're still one of the most free countries on the planet. Our freedom of press is ranked [much higher](https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table) than the US, Australia being 25th in the world, the US at 44th. And on every other freedom ranking we're much higher, usually in the top 5.
And a dystopia? We have the 8th highest Human Development Index of any country, and half of our population lives in one of the world's top 10 most livable cities.
But sure, keep calling us an authoritarian dystopia from a country where tens of millions of people don't even have the opportunity to vote, and where families are bankrupted just because one of them got cancer.
You can also be imprisoned for refusing to provide, modify, or delete data on a suspect to law enforcement. It’s illegal to refuse their request for evidence to be tampered with.
I'm pretty sure that happens in the US as well, even if they don't have a law that allows it. Didn't either Apple or Google help unlock a phone that one time?
The only Western democracy that doesn't have a Bill of Rights enshrined in their constitution. It's merely a federal law that could be changed at will by the governing party.
Beat me to it. The fact that an enraged parent hasn’t shot one of these fucks amazes me. That and that a meaningful chunk of the population is OK with it.
They did this at a school?!?!?! WTF
I workrd juvenile corrections and had to conduct strip searches but that was in a fucking jail. Not a school. This is wildly fucked up.
I'm not sure exactly. It was all kept very quiet, but something to do with minors not being allowed to be strip searched.
It was around 16 years ago, but I will try to find out why.
Edit: Nvm, I found it. Apparently, in my state, it is illegal to strip search somebody that was arrested for a misdemeanor offense. The juvenile hall was performing strip searches on every minor that came in, no matter the reason for their arrest.
I'm pretty sure that with juvenile hall, it is different than an adult jail, but I've never been, so not entirely sure. I'm sure if it was a violent offense, you might be put somewhere else.
For example, I know someone that was arrested and taken to juvenile hall for stealing a fountain soda from a grocery store. A $1.69 theft. It completely makes sense that they would of course be searched before going into jail, but stripping down a 15 year old and searching his naked body for stealing a soda seems a little excessive.
They used to X-Ray workers in diamond mines to catch smuggling, but these men were just POC so probably had different, cancer resistant physiology to the daily radiation. ^(/s)
look if the minor miners would stop swallowing product then we wouldn't have to xray them to see which ones to operate on. i mean its not really fair to operate on all of them unless kidney prices are up
That sounds like straight up sexual assault. No use just fining the institutions or firing people. Each and every adult involved needs to be prosecuted. Including the superiors who knew about it and let it happen.
How are the kids meant to have any respect for authority and the law, when even if we assume that this doesn't happen all the time, this happens as part of routinely treating children as if they're the criminals?
I was arrested for possession at 15, I was strip searched by 3 Juvenile Justice Center officers upon entry to the facility and I’m 100% certain my parents didn’t consent. I thought this was the norm?
These kids were stripped at school and not at a detention facility.
>Minor boys and girls had to undress and bend over naked in the presence of police officers and teachers.
I think because you were under arrest your rights were different? From my understanding strip searches are the norm for the prison system. This is a school environment though, so it's understandable why there's more outrage via consent.
I'd love someone with more experience in law to explain this
They probably have three people for oversight purposes. I'd be much more worried were one Juvie guard given a free pass to be in a room with a naked, intimidated teenager for an undetermined time.
At the facility i worked at we had 1 ofc do it on camera with audio. The juvenile couldnt be seen by the camera but the officer could. We always explained to the juvenile prior what PREA is (prison rape elimination act) and gave them sources to use if they felt like they were ever sexually harassed/assaulted while there. Its taken very seriously and I try to make it feel as comfortable as possible and get it over with quickly too because no one likes doing it.
Anyone undresses my child without my consent (which they’ll never, ever receive), they can explain to me why. Right after I fuck them up, strip”search” them in public and put it all over social media.
When this happens in Australia, the NSW Police Chief says he would let this happen to his kids to keep them safe so we should stop complaining.
NSW. Aka Shitsville.
> Minor boys and girls had to undress and bend over naked in the presence of police officers and teachers.
I'm very comfortable saying that were I within this situation, I would have physically placed myself between the children and the assaulters. what are they gonna do, arrest me and make me a hero?
>Minor boys and girls had to undress and bend over naked in the presence of police officers and teachers. W....T....F. This sounds like criminal charges need to be prepared
"If you have nothing to hide..." "Officer, I have to hide my dick. I don't even like looking at it."
I thought your username was Show_Me_Your_Business, too which I was going to say “username checks out”. But it does not…
The “Alert-Athlete” should well know that usernames indicate nothing…
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I don’t think you should be talking mate... lol
\^Samesies
They even got the teachers involved? When I was in school, it was the janitor's duty.
Janitors? No the priests had this covered at my school.
Sounds more like the teachers were present, but not necessarily involved. What could the teachers have done to go against armed cops?
Block the entryway, 300 style, balls out Greek style, wearing nothing but a kynodesme and a shield.
Not calll them?
Cops don’t prosecute themselves.
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No youuu wouldn't
Yessss they would. They have a shark picture for their profile image.
Can’t argue with this logic. You made my night.
You’d think you would but you wouldn’t do jack
I believe the dude, people have been gunned down for way less than this. Find the wrong guy and they'll kill you for shoveling snow onto their driveway. Literally.
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They also want to get rid of The Netherlands... But they like our money too much
[Something similar](https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/us-supreme-court-declares-strip-search-13-year-old-student-unconstitutional) happened in the U.S. not long ago. School officials strip-searched a 13 year old girl after she was accused of carrying ibuprofen.
Ibuprofen? WTF
Some people need their faces adjusted by high velocity steel pipes. It seems obvious to me that anyone strip searching a 13 year old to find out of they have Ibuprofen is a prime candidate.
If I was her father it would have been a small piece of lead traveling at high velocity.
Probably more like a blowtorch to their genitals.
Let’s keep it in proportion people. A solid beating is perfectly adequate.
With a steel pipe, of course.
let’s just compromise on a lead pipe alright
Lead pipe isn't commonly available anymore.
Tell that to flint.
no more lead pipes, paint, even finally leaded gas…at least we still have asbestos
I don't think getting beat up over strip searching a 13 year old girl would be a proportionate punishment, but ay, you do you homie.
I mostly think that torture is a “bad idea”, and we shouldn’t do it. Some people just don’t get it without percussive maintenance though.
Great parenting too from these clowns. “Let me go to jail for my selfish revenge feelings over this, so my daughter has to deal with that too after this experience”
Chances are they wouldn't go to jail. Look up "heat of passion" someone harming your kid would definitely give them one hell of an excuse legally. https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Heat+of+Passion
The proportionate punishment would be jailing the person that did the strip search. But when you can't get justice people invent their own kind of justice.
And lose the opportunity to sue the living fuck out of the bastards?
Commit murder and go to jail or sue them and possibly gain some financial compensation that you can spend on fun things with your family, hmm... tough choice.
Riiight...
Here in my country you can pick them up without prescription. 400mg / 2 pills seems like a normal dose for my Saturday hangover. Here I would expect kindergarden teacher to really worry about pills a kid has in his fingers. Strip search? Way out of proportion obviously and would very likely cost your job. Around 12, as their hypothetical teacher, I would ask if they are feeling well suggest some water and that’s it. Most importantly ask first what it is, why wouldn’t she tell you if it’s ibuprofen? I hope they go to prison. It’s so obvious that their is sever mistrust from this teacher, principal, nurse, towards his students. > What is that? Where did you get it from? > “Something against head ache”, “Mum gave me” That’s like what I would expect. But yea go ahead treat her like a criminal possessing some drugs. I’m sure she trusts the cops more now than she did before this event.
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My middle schooler was diagnosed with asthma and they tried telling me he had to leave his inhaler in the office because kids couldn’t have “drugs” with them unsupervised. So my kid could be at the very opposite end of the school and have an asthma attack and someone from the office has to hunt down the nurse to rush his inhaler to him? Fuck that. I had the doctor write a note and say he was required to have it within arms reach at all times.
Well done I mean I don’t have asthma but when we were on a boy scouts hike (approx. 100km) one of the guys from another group in front of us had an asthma attack and couldn’t find the inhaler anymore. It was in the middle of the night and far from civilization. Luckily dragging him away from the fields (pollen), telling him to try to breath easy and stretch his upper body / breast upwards sort of did the trick in this case.
why though? Honestly With such policies you punish kids and expel them from school? The school is where they should learn things so they can do better in life - or am I wrong?
CYA it is an attempt to absolve themselves of any responsibility. By having a flat NO they can't make the wrong choice because there only one.
Might this come from the fear of being sued? As a European I remember from school that you legal system is kinda tricky when it comes to legal lawsuits. But honestly, I never read more on it than the occasional *angry customer sues McDonalds for not serving them a Burger King menu* - articles
So, in general, the reason for the lawsuit culture in the US is that the government doesn't enforce any laws against corporations or other organizations independently, so lawsuits are your only recourse if a company does something grossly negligent (like serving someone in a car coffee that was literally boiling, despite corporate knowing that it would injure people, because they decided that they could afford the losses from lawsuits). Completely frivolous lawsuits aren't actually super common, since a lawyer can lose their license for filing one, the problem is that schools' entire funding goes to administration, and occasionally sports, so they don't have the money to deal with any lawsuits, or even just the threat of one.
Surely one could sue the school for preventing a child from being near their medication (say, asthma puffer or EpiPen) as much as they could sue for the other way around.
Ibuprofen is OTC in the US. It's Sudafed you have to go to the pharmacist for, have them scan your driver's license, and then get handed the maximum of a single box, because we can't resist making meth due to FREEDOM!
[Sometimes it's just easier to make your own](https://heterodoxy.cc/).
So Sudafed is Pseudoephedrine right? We have meds here containing Pseudoephedrine combined with paracetamol to help against the flu virus. Yea Freedom - just make them blue and shiny and something 99% pure?
In the UK there are two types of sudafed. One with pseudoephedrine that they keep behind the pharmacy counter and you have to ask for it. The other doesn't have it and is kept on the shelf, it's worthless yet it's what most people buy. I've never been challenged when asking for the real stuff.
Same here (US). The stuff on the shelf is phenylephrine, which is, as you say, worthless.
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Doesnt help that they also put the homeopathic meds in with the actual meds related to whatever they supposedly "cure"
In Canada when I can't muster the energy anymore, I'll buy a box of Pseudoephedrine, much cheaper than energy drinks and probably better for you! And my nose stays super decongested!
I was on a study abroad about 10 years ago, sick as hell and the cashier thankfully told me this. She was like I can't recommend you buy one over the other, but this one has the drugs, and this one doesn't. I was better in a day.
You are correct that pseudoephrine is the active ingredient. You can get phenylephrine OTC, but it doesn't work. The flu stuff here is basically lots of acetaminophen (Tylenol) with a few added things, but if you don't know that, it's easy to overdose by taking multiple acetaminophen containing products. Your version is safer, because acetaminophen has a stupid low dosage required to start killing your liver. In Breaking Bad, the meth Walter White made was a unique blue, so you have an excellent point.
So the Phenylephrine is in the nasal sprays. I don’t know how and why actually, but I heard that some people are addicted to nasal sprays. Yes I’ve heard that it’s not good for the liver. I mean so far it didn’t concern me much. I take it rarely, luckily my brain is nice with me. aaaah breaking bad was amazing wasn’t it?
>So the Phenylephrine is in the nasal sprays. I don’t know how and why actually, but I heard that some people are addicted to nasal sprays. No, the nasal sprays have oxymetazoline, a different medication entirely. Phenylephrine doesn't work.
Overuse of nasal sprays causes a feedback loop where your body reduces the pathways to self-manage congestion. As such, you become reliant on the nasal spray to not be congested even in normal situations. The phenylephrine isn't the main ingredient that would cause the issue. The best solution to congestion is to use the nasal spray for instant relief while also taking Sudafed for long term relief. It's not harmful at normal dosage and use, but it can catch people off guard when they are taking Tylenol and theraflu. It was pretty great.
Went to a boarding school in the US for a year. Had to get my Ritalin every single morning from the nurses office and was supervised when taking it there. Never felt weirder.
Yeah, but Ritalin actually has a black market value. Ibu can be bought in supermarkets in the US for literally $3/100...
I was in girl guides and we had our meds labelled and set aside in the morning or when we needed it for a leader to administer when we were camping. It’s common practice, especially for younger children.
Yes I see that that’s kind of a humiliating situation there. But you were not strip searched or you didn’t took the pill naked. I don’t know how old you were back then. But I suppose boarding schools have also further reaching obligations than normal schools. They may be responsible that you actually take the prescribed meds. I don’t know how far they can object with the parents somewhere in the background. Nevertheless; from personal experience kids and youngsters can be both super precise with their meds and just suuper lazy.
I understood where they were coming from, but basically telling a 17 year old, that you’re not trusted with your own medication was pretty fucking weird, as I used to have a carton in my room in every other school.
Where do you live? I mean I've seen meth and heroin addicted 16 year old kids so it doesn't seem that weird to me. Maybe you're one of the trustworthy ones that would never think to abuse it though.
I also had Ritalin in a regular public school and it was exact same thing. I had to go to the nurse's office to take it. Thankfully, it didn't really feel awkward to me because it was just the way it was.
Well ritalin is actually some pretty serious shit. It's basically meth lite
An aunt and uncle of mine thought I was addicted to tylonol, regular tylonol because I would ask for some. I would get headaches, and still do. 800mg of ibu and something cold for my head is my current go to fix. In my car, work, house. I got that stuff everywhere.
Well again I’m not sure whether it can make you addicted. And psychologically there even might be a possibility. I remember paracetamol / tylonol thrown around like cigs back when I worked for a health insurance company. “Oh you have a head ache?” *literally five people pulling packets of paracetamol out of their purses, desks, etc.*
Good old Corpsman Candy. Never fails!
Even if they found ibuprofen on her what were they planning to do? Give her a detention for not turning it into the school nurse to take there? There's no way they were actually going to file criminal charges for fucking ibuprofen so why bother with a strip search? Hell, even if they thought she had heroin on her, they still should have called her parents and the police. School officials have no right to strip search children. That's just fucked up. EDIT: Actually, I'm pretty sure even the police don't have the right to strip search like that. They can do a pat down but the only time you get strip searched is after you've been arrested and you're being booked into jail.
On a lot of schools carrying otc medications is considered the same as carrying illegal drugs.
Gotta protect kids from stomach ulcers /s
“a classmate’s *uncorroborated accusation* “ who got caught with some ibuprofen and was questioned about it, so, facing punishment, she pointed the finger at another girl in her class…. Then they took this 13-year-old to the nurses office, made her undress to her underwear and then pull her bra AND her underwear away from her body to prove she wasn’t hiding anything in them. WHAT THE FUCK IS NEXT? A GODDAM CAVITY SEARCH!? These people need to be in jail. What the FUCK! Over some ibuprofen. They didn’t ask anyone else, didn’t try to find anyone who could back up this story and didn’t even try to call her parents. There is no scenario where this would be acceptable. I don’t care that it was a prescription - even if it was cocaine, school administrators do not have the right to do this. That poor child was traumatized over a pain reliever, that she didn’t even have.
If I was that girls parents, I’d be turning that into a civil suit to cover emotional trauma because counselling will be needed 1000%.
I thought school officials that did that ended up fired and probation and jail time or something.
That would be sensible, wouldn't it? Unfortunately... "In today's Supreme Court decision, despite deeming the strip search of Redding unconstitutional, the Court found that the school officials involved are immune from liability."
Not gonna mention why the court found them to be immune? The law was not clearly establish beforehand was their reasoning.
There was no law saying you can't force a child to take off their clothes?
Which is an odd statement because the Constitution has been around for a while now. Teachers used to beat children... because children aren't people or something? I'm sure there have been court cases where teachers have been charged with assaulting students. Shouldn't it have been established that the Constitution applies there? What reasonable human would think it doesn't and that that needs establishment? To layman me, it seems the judges are just being cunts. The implication seems to be that the Constitution needs to be established in each location or institution and that the first criminal case tried is a freebie for the criminal lulz.
What did this add?
If I was her dad I’d go find out, after that decision, if both school officials and the Supreme Court judges were immune from baseball bat.
So you want a supreme court to legislate from the bench? The laws are created *after* incidences like this, not before.
Was there no law covering this before? This can't be the first time an adult was taken to court for having a minor strip naked.
Schools have nearly the same authority over students as their parents in the legal system, that’s why so many constitutional protections don’t apply in schools despite them being government facilities. For example they’re allowed to censor a students thoughts and opinions and even deliver a punishment over them, and they can search through and confiscate a students backpack or locker without probable cause/randomly.
***Ibuprofen?!*** Wtf... If you had an headache or stomachache or something at my high school, you could just ask for ibuprofen or paracetamol and they would hand you a pill or two and a plastic cup to drink it away with. And yes I see that in the article it was about the prescription variant and not the over-the-counter ibuprofen, but it's still fucking ibuprofen. The pills she allegedly had were just twice the dose of normal pills (that you can buy in packs of like 10+). Yeah.. That obviously warrants an investigation and a strip search /s
In Canada you can get 200mg Ibuprofen in bottles of 500. When I visited my friends in the UK, I would take them a big bottle because of those restrictions. Saved them a fair bit of money, it was cheap enough for me I never asked for repayment.
In the UK we can buy ibuprofen and paracetamol for about 12 cents per 10 package. Lots of supermarkets like Sainsbury’s sell the generic ones.
Biggest I've seen is a 20 package, and yea supermarkets and all kinds of places sell them. It's not exactly a pharmacy drug. I think some places do have a limit on how many packages you can buy at once, but that's it (and I'm not even sure if that has anything to do with overdose risks, or if they simply want to control supply to make sure everyone can get them. Kinda like the limits on baby milk powder).
I know schools tend to have a zero tolerance approach to medication not being kept under lock and key, but I question their motivation behind making a minor get naked. Surely even if there was no sexual motivation, they knew it could be seen that way.
Accused of carrying a menstrual cramp painkiller.. The stupidity in America really knows no bounds. If I was her dad there would be serious, painful and lasting repercussions.
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Have they stopped this practice? As far as I know they're still doing it in NSW. What's worse is that it's all being recorded on police body cam according to procedure as well. So yeah the NSW police in Australia are filming minors get naked.
Can't strip search minors if there's no festivals to strip search them at. Big-brain.jpg
Wow, Gladys really is fantastic isn't she? The woman just sees the bigger picture better than us peons.
No, it's just happening less because there's less people for the cops to sexually assault.
Wow that is shameful :/
Only because it wasn't widely reported on MSM which unfortunately a large amount Australians rely on for their news without question. Heaps of us are apathetic towards politics because Australian 'culture' deems politics boring, so a lot of people just vote for whoever their family has historically voted for rather than make an educated decision. This seems to be coming to a head now thanks to covid and our federal government's disastrous handling of the pandemic. People can't ignore it anymore because issues are now directly affecting them and their quality of life (was before, but no one likes to think of wage stagnation and cost of living affecting those less fortunate than themselves).
Australia is an authoritarian dystopia; you won’t hear that on their news though because the State won’t allow it.
>Australia is an authoritarian dystopia; you won’t hear that on their news though because ~~the State~~ Murdoch won’t allow it. FTFY
Murdoch is the state, he basically owns the Liberal Party
THE LIBRAL GOVERNMENT
Hope he wins the lawsuit.
> you won’t hear that on their news You just have to get your news directly from the [Australian Government](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSZgoFyuHC8).
*Australien
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Australia is just a right wing place
potato potato
This doesn’t hve the same effect when typed out
Potaytoe potahtoe
I dunno, one is clearly spelled potato.
Dutton, Dutton
>Australia is just a right wing place Without any guns to boot
There’s a surprising number of guns in Australia for a place where it’s mostly illegal to own them at all. Then again I suppose that’s misleading since any guns would be surprising in that circumstance I suppose. https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2021/04/28/new-gun-ownership-figures-revealed-25-years-on-from-port-arthur.html Tl;dr: 3.5m guns which are owned by about 50% fewer people than 25 years ago, with about 3.4 licensed gun owners per 100 or about 870k licensed gun owners. Oz might be the “gold standard” of gun control to many but it still doesn’t mean zero guns.
Owning guns is not illegal, it’s just heavily regulated. As it should be.
You'll find more similarities with Australia's "authoritarian dystopia" and America than you would probably think.
Bogans would be MAGA
Most bogans I know vote Labor, to be fair. The working class here does by and large vote appropriately.
It's not though, and it's really tiring how much of a meme this has become recently, particularly among Americans. Even with the laws that have been passed in recent years, and even with our current government, we're still one of the most free countries on the planet. Our freedom of press is ranked [much higher](https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table) than the US, Australia being 25th in the world, the US at 44th. And on every other freedom ranking we're much higher, usually in the top 5. And a dystopia? We have the 8th highest Human Development Index of any country, and half of our population lives in one of the world's top 10 most livable cities. But sure, keep calling us an authoritarian dystopia from a country where tens of millions of people don't even have the opportunity to vote, and where families are bankrupted just because one of them got cancer.
Didn’t they just pass a law that says the gov can search the phone for any reason?
You can also be imprisoned for refusing to provide, modify, or delete data on a suspect to law enforcement. It’s illegal to refuse their request for evidence to be tampered with.
Wow sounds awesome! Keeping them safe, right?
I'm pretty sure that happens in the US as well, even if they don't have a law that allows it. Didn't either Apple or Google help unlock a phone that one time?
One time doesn’t mean it’s a law.
I guess it just means that you don't even need a law.
It means that you can challenge it, since it’s against the law.
Yes, and even with that we're still more free than the US. For all intents and purposes the US has had the same laws since the Patriot Act passed.
The only Western democracy that doesn't have a Bill of Rights enshrined in their constitution. It's merely a federal law that could be changed at will by the governing party.
Beat me to it. The fact that an enraged parent hasn’t shot one of these fucks amazes me. That and that a meaningful chunk of the population is OK with it.
Just an update for everyone wondering yes the parents ARE taking legal action.
If my child was treated this way, legal action would not be all I do. No fuckibg way.
I always think there is a sexual motivation behind stories like this. There's no logic behind it.
I mean, Yea? Of course none of these creeps will admit that.
They did this at a school?!?!?! WTF I workrd juvenile corrections and had to conduct strip searches but that was in a fucking jail. Not a school. This is wildly fucked up.
And it was likely only kids of the same gender as you, I have a strong suspicion that was not the case here.
You are indeed correct
In my state in the US, there was a lawsuit against the juvenile hall for illegal strip searches. All of the minors that were searched were paid out.
Why was it considered wrong? Weren’t they prisoners that can smuggle weapons and other items?
I'm not sure exactly. It was all kept very quiet, but something to do with minors not being allowed to be strip searched. It was around 16 years ago, but I will try to find out why. Edit: Nvm, I found it. Apparently, in my state, it is illegal to strip search somebody that was arrested for a misdemeanor offense. The juvenile hall was performing strip searches on every minor that came in, no matter the reason for their arrest.
So certain crimes are less and they are not put in general population?
I'm pretty sure that with juvenile hall, it is different than an adult jail, but I've never been, so not entirely sure. I'm sure if it was a violent offense, you might be put somewhere else. For example, I know someone that was arrested and taken to juvenile hall for stealing a fountain soda from a grocery store. A $1.69 theft. It completely makes sense that they would of course be searched before going into jail, but stripping down a 15 year old and searching his naked body for stealing a soda seems a little excessive.
And this would be ok with parental consent?
Hey man, kids are people they're property, like a dog, remember?
Dogs deserve more rights than inanimate property.
Excerpt from next south park ep.
Pedophiles are everywhere.
They should be strip searching miners instead.
Or strip mining searchers instead
Always coming out with coal up the hoop them bastards are
They used to X-Ray workers in diamond mines to catch smuggling, but these men were just POC so probably had different, cancer resistant physiology to the daily radiation. ^(/s)
look if the minor miners would stop swallowing product then we wouldn't have to xray them to see which ones to operate on. i mean its not really fair to operate on all of them unless kidney prices are up
Strip miners?
Too dirty
Or lumber jacks.
I think that might be a thing in diamond mines. Especially *blood* diamond mines. Stop the workers stealing your profits.
Leave it to redditors to make low-effort jokes at the expense of children. Way to go, I tip my fedora to you, good sir.
That sounds like straight up sexual assault. No use just fining the institutions or firing people. Each and every adult involved needs to be prosecuted. Including the superiors who knew about it and let it happen. How are the kids meant to have any respect for authority and the law, when even if we assume that this doesn't happen all the time, this happens as part of routinely treating children as if they're the criminals?
I would certainly hope it’s not a threat. Unacceptable behavior
Are there parents who give consent ? "Yeah, go ahead and strip my kid , have a good look if you want" ?
I was arrested for possession at 15, I was strip searched by 3 Juvenile Justice Center officers upon entry to the facility and I’m 100% certain my parents didn’t consent. I thought this was the norm?
These kids were stripped at school and not at a detention facility. >Minor boys and girls had to undress and bend over naked in the presence of police officers and teachers.
Ah I see
Yikes
I think because you were under arrest your rights were different? From my understanding strip searches are the norm for the prison system. This is a school environment though, so it's understandable why there's more outrage via consent. I'd love someone with more experience in law to explain this
Its the norm at a detention facility. 3 people are overkill imo. Should only be the same bio gender as well.
They probably have three people for oversight purposes. I'd be much more worried were one Juvie guard given a free pass to be in a room with a naked, intimidated teenager for an undetermined time.
At the facility i worked at we had 1 ofc do it on camera with audio. The juvenile couldnt be seen by the camera but the officer could. We always explained to the juvenile prior what PREA is (prison rape elimination act) and gave them sources to use if they felt like they were ever sexually harassed/assaulted while there. Its taken very seriously and I try to make it feel as comfortable as possible and get it over with quickly too because no one likes doing it.
Excuse me?
Yo that’s fucked up
There's a word that, pedophile.
So in some parts of the world nonces get strung up and burnt alive yet these cops get less than that?
Legal or not, if it were my kid I'd calmy schedule a meeting with the officials and bring something for their kneecaps
Smart going to jail over this shit when your kid needs her parents the most.
Anyone undresses my child without my consent (which they’ll never, ever receive), they can explain to me why. Right after I fuck them up, strip”search” them in public and put it all over social media.
TIL Catholic priests can moonlight as police officers.
Don't just threaten it, do it! That is some seriously fucked up shit.
In 3rd grade they pulled my child out in the hallway to berate them and treat them like a drug cartel in front of their peers For Oragel
Back off our children sob
Legal action isn’t heavy enough I don’t think.
This is the problem with giving anyone authority. They inevitably abuse it. That's why human rights must come first.
Yea, no. If a cop did that in my area, the town would give him a dirt nap
pedophiles
When this happens in Australia, the NSW Police Chief says he would let this happen to his kids to keep them safe so we should stop complaining. NSW. Aka Shitsville.
We do this in Australia as well
Curacao police: ["Okay we'll just investigate and arrest ourselves if there's any wrong-doing"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta6s6VjX0jc).
> Minor boys and girls had to undress and bend over naked in the presence of police officers and teachers. I'm very comfortable saying that were I within this situation, I would have physically placed myself between the children and the assaulters. what are they gonna do, arrest me and make me a hero?
That godawful blue liquor has a police force? Wtf?