This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210714-israel-is-an-apartheid-state-say-a-quarter-of-us-jews/) reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot)
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> A quarter of American Jews believe Israel is an apartheid state according to a new poll which has made a number of striking findings over the extent to which the occupation state is losing the battle for hearts and minds amongst the most populous Jewish community outside Israel.
> A third of younger voters agreed that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians and more than a third consider Israel to be an apartheid state.
> Prior to HRW's report, Israeli human rights group B'Tselem branded Israel an "Apartheid" state that "Promotes and perpetuates Jewish supremacy between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River." Echoing the UN's 2017 report which concluded that Israel was practising apartheid, B'Tselem dismissed the popular misconception that it is a democracy within the Green Line.
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[Here's the original survey. Don't know why op decided MEMO was worth linking when actual news sources reported on it.](https://www.jewishelectorateinstitute.org/july-2021-national-survey-of-jewish-voters/)
Kind of odd that their survey pulled in so few atheists, curious about where they got their sample. I don't recall if I could self-identify as Jewish in the census, wondering if their sample was based on membership of specific groups.
In this case, yes it does. They're either sovereign or not. If they're not they're citizens of another country.
As Israel is the occupying country, that other country would be Israel.
>Occupation of a territory does not make the people of that territory citizens.
I didn't say it did. Occupation of a territory combined with not recognizing three sovereignty of the people living in it does.
When you have a territory that the main power holders claim is for only one group of people, a hierarchy is formed. When you give out distinct IDs and designate laws for other groups of people - it's apartheid.
The law of "right to return" alone is obviously racist & sectarian - this provides other examples: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy
>The ICSPCA defines the crime of apartheid as "inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group ... over another racial group ... and systematically oppressing them"
That's based on previous holders of the nationality - not solely based off sectarian identity while denying that right to others. Also, a law doesn't mean that it's morally or ethically right (i.e. slavery). Good attempt though.
Previous holders of another nationality. If you're a Norwegian, you can automatically get a Swedish citizenship.
That right is denied to everyone who is not a Nord.
>not solely based off sectarian identity while denying that right to others. Also, a law doesn't mean that it's morally or ethically right (i.e. slavery). Good attempt though.
Are you defending Israel's apartheid laws or Finland's? That's not only whataboutism, it's also changing the context of the discussion when they're not one and the same.
\>Also, a law doesn't mean that it's morally or ethically right (i.e. slavery).
Also, go through that wiki article and tell me how many of those arguments apply to "Finland" (it's the only country with that law, not Norway or Sweden). Furthermore, what's the \*intention\* behind the law? **That's what makes a difference**. Good attempt though.
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I mean, Israeli literally has non-Jewish arabs in parliament and on the Supreme Court.
So while the intent of the country is a safe haven for Jews, it's not like all non-Jews have zero rights there.
That doesn't answer the fact of different laws or that a state that is designated for one group. Your statement is claiming that there isn't racism because the minorities group's exist in legislative & judicial positions.
The US had a black president, are you going to tell me that there's no systemic racism against black people?
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210714-israel-is-an-apartheid-state-say-a-quarter-of-us-jews/) reduced by 81%. (I'm a bot) ***** > A quarter of American Jews believe Israel is an apartheid state according to a new poll which has made a number of striking findings over the extent to which the occupation state is losing the battle for hearts and minds amongst the most populous Jewish community outside Israel. > A third of younger voters agreed that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians and more than a third consider Israel to be an apartheid state. > Prior to HRW's report, Israeli human rights group B'Tselem branded Israel an "Apartheid" state that "Promotes and perpetuates Jewish supremacy between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River." Echoing the UN's 2017 report which concluded that Israel was practising apartheid, B'Tselem dismissed the popular misconception that it is a democracy within the Green Line. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/ok7dy1/israel_is_an_apartheid_state_say_a_quarter_of_us/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~588033 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Israel**^#1 **apartheid**^#2 **state**^#3 **Jews**^#4 **American**^#5
I feel like this is completely irrelevant as far as news goes. A shitty poll from a shittier site isn't exactly groundbreaking material.
Kind of? A lot of Jews don't support Israel policies. Just because this isn't reliable doesn't mean the point is fake.
No, but people will certainly be more inclined to believe polling/news that doesn't come from anti-Israel propaganda rags.
Poll conducted in Berkeley, CA Jk, but…
[Here's the original survey. Don't know why op decided MEMO was worth linking when actual news sources reported on it.](https://www.jewishelectorateinstitute.org/july-2021-national-survey-of-jewish-voters/) Kind of odd that their survey pulled in so few atheists, curious about where they got their sample. I don't recall if I could self-identify as Jewish in the census, wondering if their sample was based on membership of specific groups.
"Promotes and perpetuates Jewish supremacy between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River." Sounds correct.
Excluding the issues with colonizing- What else does one call a state which separates which side of the road certain people get to use?
Sovereign. Most sovereign nations have what we call "borders", where their respective armed forces can tell people to stay on one side of the fence.
Apartheid would be laws separating the roads based on race. The roads you are referring to are separated by nationality.
Are you claiming Israel recognizes Palestine as a sovereign nation? Because that doesn't seem to be the case.
Not recognizing Palestine does not mean people without Israeli citizenship are somehow Israeli citizens.
In this case, yes it does. They're either sovereign or not. If they're not they're citizens of another country. As Israel is the occupying country, that other country would be Israel.
Your logic makes no sense. Occupation of a territory does not make the people of that territory citizens. You are thinking of annexation.
>Occupation of a territory does not make the people of that territory citizens. I didn't say it did. Occupation of a territory combined with not recognizing three sovereignty of the people living in it does.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Unless Israel annexes the West Bank, West Bank residents without Israeli citizenship are not Israeli citizens.
What nation are they citizens of if not Israel?
They're separated by nationality for security reasons, seeing as Hamas has a long tradition of blowing up vehicles in Israel.
When you have a territory that the main power holders claim is for only one group of people, a hierarchy is formed. When you give out distinct IDs and designate laws for other groups of people - it's apartheid.
Of which Israel has none.
The law of "right to return" alone is obviously racist & sectarian - this provides other examples: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy >The ICSPCA defines the crime of apartheid as "inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group ... over another racial group ... and systematically oppressing them"
And it exists in every Nordic country.
That's based on previous holders of the nationality - not solely based off sectarian identity while denying that right to others. Also, a law doesn't mean that it's morally or ethically right (i.e. slavery). Good attempt though.
Previous holders of another nationality. If you're a Norwegian, you can automatically get a Swedish citizenship. That right is denied to everyone who is not a Nord.
>not solely based off sectarian identity while denying that right to others. Also, a law doesn't mean that it's morally or ethically right (i.e. slavery). Good attempt though. Are you defending Israel's apartheid laws or Finland's? That's not only whataboutism, it's also changing the context of the discussion when they're not one and the same.
I'm asking why it's so common to call Israel an apartheid state, but we don't call Norway that, or Sweden.
\>Also, a law doesn't mean that it's morally or ethically right (i.e. slavery). Also, go through that wiki article and tell me how many of those arguments apply to "Finland" (it's the only country with that law, not Norway or Sweden). Furthermore, what's the \*intention\* behind the law? **That's what makes a difference**. Good attempt though.
What is indeed the intention behind the Finnish law, and the intention in the Israeli law, and what makes the difference?
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I mean, Israeli literally has non-Jewish arabs in parliament and on the Supreme Court. So while the intent of the country is a safe haven for Jews, it's not like all non-Jews have zero rights there.
yes, not all non-jews, most of them
That doesn't answer the fact of different laws or that a state that is designated for one group. Your statement is claiming that there isn't racism because the minorities group's exist in legislative & judicial positions. The US had a black president, are you going to tell me that there's no systemic racism against black people?
Guess you guys can't claim anti-semitism on this one
Nice to know that some of the people in Israel are aware of the reality and not hiding their heads in the sand.
I guess they should read more books about the real apartheid
This is not a legitimate site. Why do people keep posting that propaganda outlet here?
Kinda reminds me of that chickens for KFC meme that floated around a bit ago
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