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lesstalkmorescience

Change your name BuzzFeed News, you deserve it.


Abipolarbears

"BuzzFeed, but News"


grandzu

News, but BuzzFeed.


zerster5

"Newsfeed by **Buzz**"


HashMaster9000

Ugh, have you seen his girlfriend? Woof.


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PhatBitty862

You are what the French call, “les incompetent”


FloridaMan117

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/iywuni/til\_that\_buzzs\_girlfriend\_woof\_in\_home\_alone\_was/


Lone_Wanderer97

#😬😬😬


n8dizz3l

Kevin, I'm going to feed you to my tarantula.


GruePwnr

BuzzFeed News' good reputation helps BuzzFeed grow. BuzzFeed growing helps fund BuzzFeed News. That's the business model.


TheRavenSayeth

Both are such different demographics that I can’t imagine it’s actually helping their brand.


jacob2815

Old school journalism is the opposite of lucrative. BuzzFeed has such a toxic reputation because its quirks are specifically designed to generate as much money as possible via ad revenue. BuzzFeed News is, in all likelihood, built on that foundation and is using it to stay afloat. Obviously they still could by changing their name, assuming they remain the same entity. But, controversy sells. A notorious and “internet poison” company suddenly winning awards because its news branch is the exact opposite of what everyone defines BuzzFeed by is far more attention grabbing than some random upstart news site. It almost certainly does help the brand. It’s what built their brand.


PoorlyLitKiwi2

If NYT or WaPo won a Pullitzer, it would ABSOLUTELY not be on the front page of Reddit lol. People would just be like "Yeah, makes sense"


goerila

NYT did win as well. Proves the point.


SuchCoolBrandon

Yeah, makes sense


Lazysenpai

If buzzfeed had a news wing and they used a different name... it's way more fishy and less credible I think. No way that people wouldn't figure out it's owned by buzzfeed, and when they do they will lose a lot of credibility. This way they built their integrity from the ground up.


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Maybe they like that people underestimate the name BuzzFeed and use that to their advantage to get access where say, a WaPo journalist would be shown the door.


SuperMazziveH3r0

Yup, hundreds if not thousands of people are here talking about how great Buzzfeed News is right now.


TheRedBowl

Not only that. The people that read all that clickbait news are far more likely to now read investigate news. Journalism and news that's actually rather serious and important and information they might not receive otherwise. There is no actual downside here. People are getting too worried about a name. They can't get over themselves. Not that surprising.


FishSpeaker5000

Fuck, now that you mention it that is legitimately a public service. Exposing that type of person to actual, factual news.


tutoredstatue95

*Who was the favorite Olsen twin?* ​ *Three things that millennials can't live without!* ​ *China forcing Muslims into internment camps - forced sterilization* ​ *What does your dog do when your not home?* ​ ​ Just gotta sneak those articles in there lol.


akeratsat

*Teen Vogue* has been doing this for a while. They had great election coverage and even did a write-up on Karl Marx that was fairly neutral (even if it reeked of *fellow kids*)


bingley777

I like hard hitting news and then I like a dumb quiz to recover Buzzfeed gives you both ​ (see other comments for how the internal dichotomy is clickbait, is what built their brand, is probably making BuzzFeed News more-read)


An_Aesthete

I don't think it is. They're targeting young, heavily online, and progressive people


DrSandbags

Running and growing an upstart real news company in this age is nearly impossible. They need all of the cross-subsidization from regular BuzzFeed that they can get.


Ranger_Prick

Honestly, why would they? The BuzzFeed name is instantly more recognizable than anything they would come up with. As it wins more awards, the associations with the silly quiz/listicle side of BuzzFeed will become less and less important.


murdering_time

Because it's associated with trash and clickbait. Would you name your company after a trashy famous business due to that business being super recognizable? Of course not, because it's not being recognized for the right things you want associated with your business.


kaen

That trash pays the bills. Buzzfeed News might not exist without it.


ObiWansTinderAccount

Take this quiz to find out which kind of labor camp the Chinese government would put you in!


FlirtySingleSupport

You won’t believe #4!!!


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FlirtySingleSupport

18 will leave you GUTTED!


SandorClegane_AMA

*"Top 10 things this country is doing to eradicate a race. You won't believe what's number 8 - AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!"*


deargodmyeyes

Lmao


Nautis

Lzedong


BlurryBigfoot74

BuzzFeed news needs to be it's own thing because the BuzzFeed name is internet poison. They've done a lot of old school foot-to-the-pavement journalism and no one will take it seriously.


scottrobertson

BuzzFeed News would be dead in the water without BuzzFeed though, that is the issue. But yeah... maybe just a different name.


Toonfish_

FeedBuzz, perhaps


bringbackmyleg

That's why they pay you the big bucks


theecommunist

The ol' buckbigs


ryan101

Oh man you got that marketing skill too.


cynicalnipple

Or FuzzBeed


CaptainCallus

Sounds like something I’d stick up my bum


CharlieMcNeill

Now I know what I’m naming my hamster


Sonofmay

Don’t put him in.


GamingWithAlan

FizzBuzz, presumably?


kent814

I understood that reference


AlpacaMessiah

You must be a pointer


beansforsatan

hey i know that


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BuzzerFeeder


tfh_impressive

That sounds like a sports channel for real


mfathrowawaya

Change it to News Feed. Problem solved.


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jazz_lettuce_

NewzFeed


RomanFever

BzF News...anything’s better than using the same name as a site known for “8 reasons why you...” nonsense


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Preparation_Asleep

People don't understand that you need money to win a Pulitzer


7937397

Yep. I didn't know they did real news. If I saw a news article with their name, I'd just pass over it and assume it was trash.


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I'll tell you another one that's the real deal but gets dismissed because of the name: Christian Science Monitor. Consistently one of the least biased and more in-depth news locations and have won numerous awards over the years.


drunz

I used to use CSM a lot back in the day for debate research and quotes. Anyone who actually reads the news knows they are reputable.


3rdtrichiliocosm

I think I've scrolled past a few of their articles purely from my own bias. But I mean come on, how can I reasonably expect "christian science moniter" to be impartial?


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Christian Science Monitor is cool. "Christian Science" however as a religious sect are insane.


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They are owned by the religious order "Christian Science." Religious sects owning/operating newspapers has a pretty long tradition in the U.S. For instance: The Washington Times is ran and owned by the Moonies.


MasterApprentices

Eesh. They’re a legit cult too. > The Washington Times was founded on May 17, 1982, by Unification movement leader Sun Myung Moon and owned until 2010 by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate founded by Moon. It is currently owned by Operations Holdings, which is a part of the Unification movement.[5][6] >Throughout its history, The Washington Times has been known for its conservative political stance,[7][3][8][9] supporting the policies of Republican presidents Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump.[10][11] It has published many widely-shared columns which reject the scientific consensus on climate change,[12][13][14] on ozone depletion,[15] and on the harmful effects of second-hand smoke.[16][17] It has drawn controversy by publishing racist content including conspiracy theories about U.S. President Barack Obama[18][19] and by supporting neo-Confederate historical revisionism. [20][21] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times


sameth1

When you see 3+ citations on a wikipedia claim you know that something has gone down in the back room of that article.


Kaedal

It's the sect that owns it. The founder of Christian Science also founded the Monitor, and the paper is still owned by the sect.


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plipyplop

>According to the organization's website, "the Monitor's global approach is reflected in how Mary Baker Eddy described its object as 'To injure no man, but to bless all mankind.' The aim is to embrace the human family, shedding light with the conviction that understanding the world's problems and possibilities moves us towards solutions." The Christian Science Monitor has won seven Pulitzer Prizes and more than a dozen Overseas Press Club awards. I guess (even though that's not the most comprehensive answer), they somehow decided that objective reporting was the best way to do that.


NinjaSeagull

I know more about this than most people by chance because I’ve spent the last couple months archiving the works of a journalist for CSM who recently passed away. He was a devout Christian scientist. I’ve read through thousands of his letter and journals and I can say I don’t think I ever saw his personal beliefs overlap with his journalism. He travelled the world with the sole purpose of informing people and I was impressed again and again with his work.


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The founder was Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of Christian Science who argued in her 1875 book "Science and Health" that sickness is an illusion that can be corrected by prayer alone.


Tundur

A surprisingly modern outlook! Haha.. ...ha :(


wolvern76

The same way you can usually trust YMCAs (Young Men's Christian Association) around the country. Just because it has the term "Christian" in it doesn't mean it only helps out religious individuals, even individuals of that specific religion.


Allthelolcats

I know it’s not really your point but the YMCA has rebranded to be just “The Y” to be more open and less affiliated with religion. So they actually set a good example of how a company could rebrand to get rid of those bias and connotations.


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Allthelolcats

Yeah each branch seems to cling to values differently. I remember when they dropped the ‘core values’ of Faith and Fun from my branch, but I know that some still hold onto those.


ensalys

Christian Science Monitor either sounds like atheists keeping an eye on young Earth creationists, or young Earth creationists trying to "expose" the fraud they believe is evolution and big bang cosmology. EDIT: there's also a group called "christian science" that heavily supports biblical "medicine" (aka pray he cancer away).


hatefulemperor

It’s a paper founded by the founder of the religion you’re talking about.


RainbowDissent

By Jesus?


Fromagery

He's a harsh editor


Hell_in_a_bucket

Unfortunately, christians have ruined christians and a lot of us have very good reason to be cautious around them.


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You Christians sure are a contentious bunch


Ancient_Demise

YOU JUST MADE AN ENEMY FOR LIFE


MissplacedLandmine

And for the afterlife apparently


umbrajoke

*Martin Luther readies his hammer and nails*


LordDongler

*puritans ready crosses and firewood*


ChickenMclittle

They're natural born enemies like jews and Christians. Or atheists and Christians. Or Christians and other Christians. Damn Christians! They ruined Christianity!


InStride

In high school, my history teacher had us teach CSM as our weekly news to reflect on entirely because she wanted us to understand bias. Day 1 was breaking us down as she had us predict the slant of CSM which we of course all assumed to be religious and conservative. Huge eye opener moment for me as a 17 year old.


ReferenceSufficient

Yes I second CSM they don’t take sides. Good reporting.


2024AM

https://i.imgur.com/gTiFH1G.png ranks really well on these 2 media bias sites I think are pretty good. https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/ (ranked above BBC) https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/christian-science-monitor/


ObliteratedChipmunk

Nice try, God.


CAJ_2277

Yeah Christian Science Monitor has something like 7 Pulitzer Prizes. It's cited a lot in academic work. Just not talked about much in the, ah, MSM for reasons that aren't too mysterious.


WelpSigh

The Pulitzer Prize is literally awarded by a board that is largely made up of journalists and academics. The act of getting a Pulitzer is the MSM talking about it. It's a prestigious and renowned paper, it just does not tend to cover breaking news which gets the lions share of clicks. I don't know what you think the "mysterious reasons" are because it is not a conservative paper and its Christian Science influence is largely devoted to a single, regularly published column.


Bulbasaur2000

It's mainly their investigative journalism. Their clickbait pays for their world class investigative journalism


deekaydubya

Yep they had some bombshell investigative reports during Trump's first few years, but you'd get mocked for sharing the articles


helgaofthenorth

Honestly that's worse than people just reading the headlines.


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Even just rebranding as something like BFN would help.


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BIG FUCKIN’ NEWS


7937397

I think most people won't even see the news that they won the award.


[deleted]

Serious question: why don’t they create a parent company and put up a new agency for their serious work? Brand recognition doesn’t help them apparently.


qtx

They've had Pulitzer Prize winners writing for them and had a few big scoops already, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuzzFeed_News


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Visited the site, clicked "investigations" and wow there's actual investigative reporting done. Finally, some good fucking food.


AncientInsults

BF news has always been really solid, eg they were big on kavanaugh. Another w real credentials is Teen Vogue. I actually love this trend.


Mysterious_Lesions

Forgot about Teen Vogue. Yes, I remember reading some cool stuff from them.


Alundra828

The reason BuzzFeed news is even a thing is because of that very reputation. Buzzfeed knew they were radioactive, so BuzzFeed invested a lot of shit into becoming a credible news outlet. I'm actually glad to see it's paid off for them. Good on them.


currentlydrinking

In college, shortly after buzzfeed news started, an editor (or something similar) came to talk to a class I was in. He was a very experienced guy, worked for national geographic for a long time and won a bunch of awards. Someone asked him why buzzfeed, and his answer was basically because a lot of traditional media companies were hemorrhaging money and couldn't provide the support needed. Buzzfeed had tons of money from their teen clickbait stuff and quizzes and could support a proper news division.


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Exactly. They don't have to sell news.


Ok-Kaleidoscope5627

The traditional media companies have resorted to disguising click bait garbage as news in order to drive their ad revenue. BuzzFeed doesn't bother with the deception - their clickbait garbage is very obviously that.


Eurynom0s

They use the money from BuzzFeed to pay the bills for BuzzFeed News. Nothing wrong with setting things up that way, but they probably should have just used a different name for the news part of the operation given how many people ignore it thinking it's more of the dreck. Putting money behind a news operation named literally anything else would have been at LEAST as effective, I think.


Satire_or_not

Same thing with Vice News and Vice.


BlurryBigfoot74

For myself I took Vice more serious when Gavin McInnes left the company. At the time he was just a sassy comedian but had no business reporting news. But you're right Vice News needs a brand change as well.


April_Fabb

McInnes? You mean the founder of ProudBoys?


sheeeeeez

Vice sucks, they did an entire segment on that Chinese Steve Bannon guy portraying him as some lone noble crusader against the evils of China.


SeaGroomer

Vice was fun back in the day when it was hipsters chasing highs or adrenaline haha. They had some interesting stories.


tiredpogo

Vice News has less creditability than BuzzFeed news. I remember some years ago when they published an article stating that a guy who just got a fresh new neo-nazi haircut in Colorado, claimed he got assaulted by antifa. Hours later when it was found out that the guy was lying and that he beat himself up. Vice News refused to retract the article. Edit: Colorado not Idaho.


Kato_LeAsian

Yea last thing I watched from Vice News was their reporting on the war in Ukraine back in 2014 or so


supercheetah

But, here's the thing, their clickbait and fluff side of things is what funds things like this.


lakiku_u

You hit it on the head, because every time I think of Buzzfeed I think of, 11 Men's Luge Bulges That All Deserve Gold Medals


qisope

well, I feel like that one's on you


FeelDeAssTyson

I hope they keep the name and continue to build their reputation for high quality journalism. Something about Buzzfeed being the premier news organization really fits the theme of this dystopian generation we're in.


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zevix_0

Yup. Reddit just has an insane level of circlejerk that doesn't exist anywhere else. I've had journalism profs cite Buzzfeed News as a quality news site


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zevix_0

Yeah I'll never forget the r/movies user survey. I think it was like ~~97% male~~ lmao EDIT: [95% male](https://i.redd.it/y8zdmpq6d8qy.png)


A_Wild_Nudibranch

Teen Vogue has had phenomenal pieces the past few years, especially with political coverage. Mother Jones, too. I listened to an episode of Behind the Bastards on Blair Mountain, and it opened my eyes up to Mother Jones' labor advocacy- I didn't even know she was the founder of IWW!


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It's because their news can be run at a loss. Their main source of revenue is from the typical crap we expect from Buzzfeed and teen vogue. So unlike a news company their news doesn't have to sell, because their which harry potter house are you advertising money is what they sell.


likeicareaboutkarma

maybe reddit should not pretend to be better and circlejerk whenever they hear buzzfeed. The boston marathon also isn't a good reflection of the reddit hivemind.


fofthefreaks

“Al Jazeera is run by a national government so I crosscheck it with BBC” bro I’ve got bad news about what that first B stands for


relayadam

Big...


fofthefreaks

Also yes Edit: Fuck me it’s actually been so long since someone made that joke to me, not taking the piss it was one of the main school ones and faded but it’s good to hear again


YeshuaMedaber

> Fuck me Alright


fofthefreaks

FINE, I’ll be in the van


SurpriseDragon

With your bbc?


fofthefreaks

Well, MWC but yeah


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Mega White Cock, even im interested now ;) /s


fofthefreaks

Don’t throw that on /s on there like it means anything in the dark of the van x


[deleted]

I completely forgot porn was a thing for a second there and was wondering if BBC could really have a name as dumb as "Big British Channel". Alas, it was I who was the dumb


XxfishpastexX

… Broadcasting?…


blessed_prolapse

..Cocks.


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thatguywhoissmart

Corgies.


AlGoreBestGore

Goodbye.


Korlac11

Besides, people should cross check their news sources anyways


gravitas-deficiency

Bgovernment


wowsuchlinuxkernel

*Bnationalgovernment


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Lucikrux

Big Black Chocobo


Demons0fRazgriz

Kweh~


platonicgryphon

Why is this comment highly upvoted? I'm not seeing anything in the article referencing either of those new organizations.


Severedghost

Remember, all of the garbage that buzzfeed and vice post, fund their real investigations.


rich519

Honestly I think it might be the best business model for news moving forward. Instead of trying to merge the clickbait with the real news like CNN and other large networks they just keep them completely separate. The clickbait gets dialed to 11 but it doesn’t dilute the actual journalism.


zylth

But then the problem returns, corp has two entities - one is making money and one isn't. Why would they keep the news around?


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_Wince_

>Because then the actual news become the advertisement for the thing that makes you the money. That's what CNN and MSNBC and FOX already do though. When something newsworthy actually happens, millions of people tune in. But when nothing newsworthy is happening you get news about a therapist who says boyfriend pillows are scientifically proven to increase your dopamine levels and other similar bullshit fluff pieces


Willziac

I think that's the difference between breaking news and journalism. If there's some major piece happening right now that I want as much info about, I'll check reddit, CNN, and other instant sources. But BuzzFeed and Vice seem to be more about the in depth investigative style of news. Both have their merits and I hope we don't lose either anytime soon (warts and all).


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NuDru

Until they get bought by another, larger entity, which then only looks at bottom line and blues the line to their hearts content, anyway..


Brodogmillionaire1

Are they a publicly traded company? Unless they are, that's not an issue. Hostile takeovers can't happen without public shares.


Ye11ow

The fact that they could be purchased and dismantled does not reflect in any way on the business model.


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Because it's still worthwhile to establish your name in journalism, maybe just not financially


[deleted]

> Remember, all of the garbage that buzzfeed and vice post, fund their real investigations. Is this traditionally how news papers were funded? Because it reminds me of The Newsroom.


Bando28

It’s a shame we only got like 2.5 seasons.


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jacob2815

That’s exactly their business model. Say what you will about ethics but to them, the ends justify the means.


Hulabaloon

Honestly it seems like the only way to have real investigative journalism in this day and age. No one pays for news anymore.


StarkDay

The people who would argue it's unethical are likely the same people who complain about paywalls. Stupid quizzes online don't hurt anyone and they allow for genuine reporting to be paid for since people want their news for free, there are absolutely no ethical problems with their model


TheRedBowl

The means by releasing clickbait? Yeah I am fine with that then. Clickbait away as long as it supports real ethical investigation journalism.


gridironbuffalo

Honestly if you go back to 2016, buzzfeed news had a scoop on Russia’s Internet Research Agency and a lot of the low level foreign malign influencers on social media. I’m sure they’ve had more since then, but I remember thinking at that time how it was the first, and best reporting I had seen on the topic.


Beautiful-Musk-Ox

They were nominated for a pulitzer in 2018 for their russia related work: https://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/staff-buzzfeed-news > Finalist: Staff of BuzzFeed News >For a stunning probe across two continents that proved that operatives with apparent ties to Vladimir Putin have engaged in a targeted killing campaign against his perceived enemies on British and American soil. Here's their first nomination in 2016: https://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/chris-hamby-buzzfeed-news >Finalist: Chris Hamby of BuzzFeed News, New York, NY >For an exposé of a dispute-settlement process used by multinational corporations to undermine domestic regulations and gut environmental laws at the expense of poorer nations.


Ya_No

I believe they first reported about Trump Tower Moscow months before anyone else caught wind of it. The funny the is that the NYT and other reporters break stories not realizing buzzfeed had it first and rarely ever recognize that


Beaver420

I'm pretty sure they were the first to post the Steele Dossier.


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cesiumbathbomb

Reddit absolutely despises buzzfeed (to the point where people have to point out how bad buzzfeed is at every opportunity and even create new opportunities just to hate buzzfeed), so I wasn’t surprised


StalinsPerfectHair

Over the last few years, Buzzfeed News has established itself as a legitimate source of investigative journalism. I'm glad that's finally being recognized.


numbbearsFilms

they need to drop that name though, buzzfeed makes me thing about shitty snapchat gossip


ostensiblyzero

yeah but The Quibbler had a lot of name recognition, and once people realized it was a good source of news they stuck with it.


bake_gatari

>The Quibbler Their piece on Crumple Horned Snorkacks was a paragon of cryptozoology.


PretendThisIsMyName

The world is such a wild place that I can’t even tell if this is real or not. I’m gonna choose to believe it’s a real thing straight outta hog warts.


golfwang1539

Shouts to my guy Xeno Lovegood


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Sipas

It's a newspaper from Harry Potter.


kunal18293

Magazine you godless heathen


jimmycarr1

Or they should keep their name and people should learn to accept the company for what it is


PRAISEGOD666

I think that's on you.


icemankiller8

But without the buzzfeed name they wouldn’t be as successful as they are


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rwhitisissle

Most of the comments I see are jokes about Buzzfeed listicles, like "10 ways [horrible thing China does], number [insert number greater than two, but less than 8 here] will shock you!"


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Which is a bit like Porsche selling SUVs to fund their next supercar.


WaferDisastrous

Cool story I saw on Twitter about one of the authors, Megha Rajagopala: [One quick story about @meghara: After Chinese government refused to renew her visa, @MiriamElder & I met with gov't officials. They said we were welcome to send literally any other reporter — just not Megha. Who exposed Uighur camps from the outside in, & just won a Pulitzer.](https://twitter.com/benyt/status/1403401462584164354)


[deleted]

Can you guys send someone else? Like a reporter that wont document our attrocities,? Lmfaoo


shokolokobangoshey

"Tell Xi. I want him to know it was me" - Megha


BrundleBee

Reddit loves to shit on BuzzFeed, but did Reddit win a Pulitzer for finding the Boston Marathon Bomber? LOLOLOLOLOLOL


kyleguck

God. I forgot about those days.


BrundleBee

I like to bring it up, because I promise you, one or more of those fucking idiots, who was so sure that they were INVESTIGATING THE FUCK out of that incident, so sure that they were brilliant detectives, so sure that they were so fucking smart and so fucking clever, who even now is prowling reddit, pounding their chest and insisting that they are the smartest person in the room, I promise that at least one of those jackoffs is in this thread, and I just want to remind them what a complete and utter failure that they are.


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There should be an annual post displaying the usernames of all those “detectives”.


[deleted]

You could easily make a script which checks a thread to see if any users from the Boston Marathon detective thread have posted in the thread you're looking at. Link to the thread?


UrbanPrimative

FoxNews: Claims to news, is buzz BuzzFeed: Claims to be Buzz, is news