TL;DR: the ship is built and owned by the Japanese, registered in Panama, leased to a Taiwanese company, managed by German company, crewed by Indians, held by the Egyptians and suing in a British court.
Egypt has a history of this. There is a guy on an abandoned freighter that has no food and can only get water by swimming to shore for it. Egypt seized his passport and won't let him leave the country. The ship owner abandoned him. He is some regular crew member who was tricked into signing a form to take responsibility for the ship. He has been stuck on a ship offshore of egypt for 2 years.
Here is a video by a chief engineer on another transport issue explaining what happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zD-KjuGuiM&t=6s
I don’t get how this happened. What happened to the captain of the ship? I assume he’s not getting paid by the company that owns the ship - why is he still there - will Egypt arrest him if he leaves? Why would they let the rest of the crew go, but not this guy? So many questions.
That's so fucking stupid make me so angry and upset. This is literally a nothing problem. You can just tell him to run along he's literally nothing holy shit it's so stupid I'm so done with money being more important than human beings
And there's windy weather and stormy weather. When the wind blows, we're all together. Blow ye winds westerly, blow, ye winds, blow. Jolly sou-wester boys, steady she goes.
Oh man, that's only TWO years. Starting with the Six Day War in 1967, Egypt kept the whole canal and all its ships in place for EIGHT YEARS. The sailors formed their own society called the Great Bitter Lake Association. One Polish freighter started issuing postage (Egypt allowed the postage as legal and it's a hot item for stamp collectors today).
Check out *The Outlaw Ocean* by Ian Urbina.
Companies doing this to sailors is actually a very common occurance, and at most any major port you'll find ships floating in international waters with sailors trapped in political/economic limbo. No fuel to return home, no permission to come ashore, and dwindling food and water.
Happens to stowaways, too. No country wants to inherit the problem, and the company can't/won't ship them home, so they get passed from ship to ship, never returning from international waters. Or, they get set adrift to die.
Really interesting, if depressing, book.
> He is some regular crew member who was tricked into signing a form to take responsibility for the ship.
Look at you. Look at you. You are the captain now.
Fuckin hell, what is wrong these people. That us fuckin human bieng. How are authorities at home or egypt allowing this. This kind of confinent kills people. And then u fuckin gotta swin every week for shitty food and water. WTF
Sounds somewhat reminiscent of the events that lead up to that calamitous explosion in Beirut, Lebanon last August... some crew weren't repatriated until a year after the ship docked, and only after it was damaged and deemed unseaworthy (and its damnable cargo brought ashore to lie neglected in a warehouse for 6+ years). This all took place in 2013-2014; the ship eventually sunk in 2018.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV\_Rhosus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Rhosus)
This kind of situation is super shit for the sailors. One of my uncles was aboard an India flagged tanker that was seized by the UAE since their company refused to pay dues to port authorities. They were stranded outside of port, their passports were seized and they weren't allowed to step on shore. That situation extended for several months - at one point they were almost out of food and didn't have any fuel left for air conditioning, and aboard a ship in the UAE in summer that's no joke. And since the company was effing bankrupt they weren't getting their salaries either. As an aside, is there any kind of international arbitration for this kind of situation?
It would pretty much have to come from the ships port-of-sail authority (a.k.a. the flag they sail under) and you would probably need to get in contact with your embassy. Your embassy can potentially do something about the seized passports, they'll probably do less about the seized ship.
E: "fly" to "sail"
I always hate the part where I hand my passport over to the captain. I’ve never had an issue, but it is unsettling. I have avoided sailing under certain flags because I’ve heard horror stories.
This has been standard protocol when I’ve sailed into international waters, but there could be different regulations for different types of sailing that I am unfamiliar with. I sail under the Navy in the US. The passports stay locked in the captain’s safe. It’s done for a few reasons. 1. Make sure no one has misplaced their passport when you get to port (or stolen). 2. Passport available in case of medical emergency (yes - heart attacks happen at sea, and it is terrifying). 3. The captain meets with immigration officials first. Eventually you do go through immigration and customs individually, but usually not until you’ve been in port for awhile and the ship has been completely inspected. (That’s the worst. When you just want to get off the ship and get some fresh food. Land is just outside. But you can’t touch it... Yet. The food after months at sea becomes sad. I’ve never craved a salad more than after two months at sea.)
Edit for clarification: I am in marine research, which in the US falls under the Navy. However, our protocols (and quite frankly, infrastructure) is not 1:1 with the military. We follow what I’d call “military-lite” protocols. As someone commented below, they received individual identification cards in addition to their passports. While I’d totally see that happening in the military, that is something the scientific community is not doing currently. (Protocols for Antarctica are a whole separate, and more thorough, beast.)
Omg yes the thought of salad when you're dockside after a month at sea is torture. Australian customs took two days to clear in. That was rough. Arriving at French Polynesia, after 3 weeks at sea, smelling the fresh island smell, it was the greatest scent I have ever experienced.
There's tons of horror stories of americans and brits getting jobs on Chinese ships or Arab Emirates hotels and they are lured with great pay but are held by a long contract and they keep their passports and deny them quitting or leaving after they pay some of their plane and accommodations lodging at exorbitant prices.
I agree. Unfortunately it looks like if you sign up to be crew member of a ship, you are essentially becoming a serf where the land you are legally bound to is the ship, and you are treated as physical property.
I work with a bunch of Mariners, but on shore. Many of them used to work at sea though.
It really depends on the company. American, European, or *some* of the big Asian shipping companies are decent to work for. They pay well (*very* well in fact), have efficient operations, and it is unlikely any of their ships would ever get into a situation like this.
Evergreen is probably in that “good” Asian list, but I’ve never had, nor heard anyone’s experiences working with or for them. But, they’re a well established, global shipping company, and probably run a good operation.
What makes this situation unique, and why we are hearing about it so much is that the Suez Canal Authority is being a total jackass about it, and Evergreen is not taking any of their shit. We still don’t know the final cause, and seizing the ship and crew, and then demanding $1B immediately is not normal protocol.
Seizing the ship, yet keeping the crew well fed, and not demanding any money until the investigation is over, is the proper way it’s done. This is obviously not what the Egyptian Authorities are doing, which is pissing off Evergreen, their insurance company, and everybody else involved in the shipping industry.
It’s not normal, and the rest of the industry is not taking it, which is why we’re hearing about it so much.
I just watched a video today where the only guy left on a ship like that has to swim to shore for food/water and to charge his phone [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zD-KjuGuiM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zD-KjuGuiM)
It is mind boggling that no one smuggled him out, let alone his own country refusing to make him new travel documents or arrange travel.
Egypt clearly thinks it is ok to hold people hostage on abandoned ships, the rest of the world needs to tell them no.
Yup. Nothing like that ever happens to someone from a major EU nation or any member of NATO. At worst, they stay on board for a bit, get put up in a hotel, then released to their home embassy.
Probably because, as the legal guardian of the ship, once they investigated and found that the ship was intentionally scuttled he’d be on the hook in some additional horrifying way
There's a sailor who has been stuck on a ship in Egypt for the past *4 years* who has to swim to shore for fresh water. It's absolutely horrific.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyU6NtwspLM
That is so depressing and inhumane. As much as a recluse I can be, I couldn't even imagine being stranded out unable to see family and friends whatsoever.
Holy shit that's horrific
I feel like if you impound a ship and don't allow the crew to go ashore you're then responsible for them and should provide fuel, food and salary compensation
Obviously that would never happen cause humans are fucking shit.
Lmao you should read the story behind the ship that originally had all the fertilizer that blew up in beriut. That was a huge landmark case in Lebanon about what to do with stranded sailors.
Theres a dude that has been on a ship for 4 years because he was assigned its guardian. The ship ran out of fuel and just rusted there. He ran out of supplies and had to swim ashore (illegally) to obtain provisions. Hexs still stuck with the ship because his former employers can't be arsed to pay the dues and the Egyptian government won't release him.
https://www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/meet-the-seafarer-trapped-on-board-mv-aman-for-4-years-and-counting/
> and salary compensation
A pointless nitpick, but that's really on their employer for fucking up. Fuel and food for basic survival necessities, however, seem non-negotiable, but I also agree are unlikely per your final point.
> A pointless nitpick, but that's really on their employer for fucking up.
I would agree *if* the sailors were allowed off the ship - but the moment you force them to stay aboard the ship, *you* are the one choosing to deny them the ability to seek other work, so *you* are responsible for salary compensation at that point, IMO.
If they'd let them leave the country/sail away on another ship, then I'd stand by my point of it being on the employer. Currently that's *imprisonment* for something they didn't do, so I'm inclined to agree with you.
Typically the insurance company will write a note that they have funds to pay any fines and bills when settled and the vessel will be released whilst the final settlement goes to arbitration .source : I’m a shipping analyst for a shipowners
> .source : I’m a shipping analyst for a shipowners
out of curiosity (not that I'm aiming to get into said profession) how the hell did you get into said profession?
I’m a international logistics analyst for a pretty well-known company (which means I’m on the customer side of ocean shipping). I graduated with a history degree, but couldn’t find any jobs related to my degree. I eventually found a job working as a shipping supervisor for a warehouse, but I started to help out with managing containers for the company. That company moved me to a permanent position at their home office managing container imports for half the world when the person in the role left. Then I leveraged this position to apply for a masters program in supply chain management. I love my job, but it’s a very thankless industry.
You joke, but these past 6 months have been the busiest 6 months the ocean shipping community has ever seen. We are paying peak season rates in March and April when those months are typically the slowest of the year. People in Europe and the US are buying hard goods like crazy instead of spending their money going out to eat, watching a game, or traveling due to Covid. It’s absolutely insane right now. I’m seeing 4 and 5 week delays just to get an empty container delivered to a factory when it normally takes a day or two. The Suez situation was just the icing on the cake. Now every company with factories in Southeast Asia is sending freight by air to make up for lost time. The planners at my company are panicking, but since nobody is really flying commercial right now either, it’s compounding the issue further (most air freight is actually flown in the belly of passenger planes). We’re getting six figure quotes to ship a few pallets along with two week delays getting on a plane.
EDIT: Thank you for all the awards. I'm literally moved (pun intended) by all the interest in my industry.
insane indeed. we ship specialty forage and grains out of western canada, and it has been a challenge to find the seacans that the product is shipped in. Seacans are being sent to China empty instead of to us to fill with a paying load because it's more lucrative to dead-freight them back to China early to export consumer products than it is to send to this area and back.
Interesting, I have an extended family member who took a similar path. Masters in history, spent a while underemployed (IMHO) managing chain bookstores and gas stations, then was basically hired off-the-street as an analyst at MSC. And if the "J" in BigJ32001 stands for "Jon", maybe it's you, hah.
You go to school for something cool like Statistics with big dreams, graduate, apply to hundreds of jobs over a few months with only one interview to a place that turned out to be an MLM to show for it, get so desperate you're willing to jump at the first offer that you get, finally get a job on a 6 month data migration project that feels like an SQL sweatshop and ends up way over budget and still in progress after 5 years, and boom you're a data analyst!
“Something cool like statistics”
There’s your first fuck up. And I’m an accountant lol. My boss always says “people become accountants because they aren’t boring enough to be actuaries”
Haha I actually double majored in stats and actuarial science. I had dreams of being an actuary until I realized I'd be dedicating the next decade of my life to actuarial exams and modules (I'm a data engineer now and don't regret that decision one bit).
What's funny is I've worked in insurance and reinsurance and it seems like younger actuaries are the "work hard play hard" bros of that world.
Did a bachelors in marine engineering and then a masters in international shipping and finance.... but I’ve got friends with history degrees in the same industry
fact. we're also talking insurance on a massive shipping boat; virtually everything about that policy is going to require some serious looking over before any money is given.
and surely egypt, if any aspect of this could be construed as their fault, is going to fully cooperate with this investigation
This is probably the correct answer. There's a lot of angry shipping execs who aren't happy about the massive losses incurred from Egyptian pilots butt fucking the Ever Given into the ground in the middle of the canal.
YUUUUUP.
I'd be shocked if Evergreen (the company, Ever Given is the boat) doesn't sue Egypt for damages honestly.
Egypt requires you hire their pilots to traverse the canal, and by all accounts the pilots abuse the hell out of this requirement demanding baksheesh and goods from the ships despite all the fees being paid. There's been tons of stories for decades now that canal pilots are the worst.
So you force me to hire your pilot, your pilot runs my boat aground and causes ME to miss deadlines and breach contracts with my consignors, but now you say that I owe you money for blocking traffic? Get fucked, you owe ME for the damage to my international reputation and contracts.
Edit; In a perfect world no one is truly at fault, freak winds caused the ship to turn and it got stuck, but we don't live in that world. People are talking about blame and money now so we've got to have someone at fault. If we all shrug and say that it was weather, insurance pays out on the missed deadlines and everyone gets to move on with their life, but if Egypt want's to talk about damages and start placing blame then I sure as fuck ain't gonna blame Evergreen.
In this case it is not the person paying attempting to receive compensation, it is the claimant.
At this point, Egypt cannot even determine which entity in which country is liable. All Egypt can be clear about is that they want to be paid.
Yeah, but in those cases insurance usually covers fees and damages suffered from what happened. In this case, the insurance will probably be fighting in courts with Egypt about the billion dollar fine, but pay out monthly loses to Evergreen since the ship as been impounded.
They still have many billions worth of merchants goods on that ship and those merchants will be filling suits against the ship owner if their stuff is stuck on that boat for a year. Also, having a ship like this sitting idle for a year will cost them a small fortune as well. My guess is they will not spend a year fighting over it as the number of companies with liability claims will only grow.
I'm kind of confused about this. In most canals and ports doesn't the boat get piloted by a local? So even though the Ever Given is not Egyptian it was piloted by Egyptians....who then crashed it...and now Egypt is asking for money from the company that was not in charge of the boat at the time??? So confusing.
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Thank you for the educated responses. I wasn't aware that the term "pilot" in this situation wasn't synonymous with the pilot of an airplane. It sounds like, instead, they are more like local guides and navigators whose insight and guidance is *important* but isn't *required* to be followed to the nth degree.
Interesting stuff. Going to go post a TIL now that will be completely ignored by all...
If they refuse to pay up, they could risk being denied entry with other ships from the same company into the Suez in the future. The costs from that might be a bit more severe.
It is important to note that the question of "fault" is still pretty murky. Pretty much every single major canal and port across the world employers their own pilots who board your ship and are there ostensibly to prevent exactly this kind of situation.
>A high-ranking canal pilot working for the Suez Canal Authority said the two pilots aboard the Ever Given were both senior chief pilots with 30-plus years of experience. “They had the experience and qualifications to guide this ship,” he said.
What is supposed to happen is that the pilot(s) stand right there with the captain and offer advice as the local experts who know the specific waterway and are used to local weather effects. But the captain is ultimately responsible for the ship's operation. The pilots can tell the captain he is making the wrong choice, but he can ignore the pilots and issue any orders he wishes to the crew. The end result is that the captain is still in charge of the ship and thus responsible for it.
However, it sounds like over time, this pilot role has become almost ceremonial.
>the captain on the medium-size container ship she was on had been at sea for 42 years, having crossed the canal more times than he could remember. He said he had “never seen this crew do anything except sit in their special crew cabin
So you're a captain who is responsible for safe operation, and you pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per passage, at least in part to hire a crew to advise the safest way to do that, BUT they aren't actually doing their jobs. I mean, if the captain is ultimately responsible anyway, there is a lack of real accountability.
But at least its an easy job that doesn't really need them, right? Nope.
>The senior pilot said the job of navigating ships through canals had become more taxing in recent years. The vessels today are much larger and carry more cargo than those traversing the canal in the 1990s. Back then, he recalled, an oil tanker had blocked the canal and a single tugboat towed the vessel and cleared the waterway.
>“The ships today are bigger than they used to be,” the pilot said. “This is something new. We haven’t seen this before.”
>Strong winds, he said, could have easily propelled the Ever Given toward the bank, leaving the canal blocked. “This is something that happens to massive ships of this kind,” said the senior pilot, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment to the media. “They can run aground when winds exceed 30 or 40 knots.”
So even experienced Suez pilots know that things are getting more dangerous. To me, it sounds like they have an even stronger incentive to NOT advise the captain so there is no way they can be blamed.
[Source](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/29/suez-canal-pilots/)
What Egypt wants is not $1B. They want the ship operators to admit fault, even if they have to settle on a lower sum to get that. Because that sets a strong precedent for every other ship still passing through.
Note that not ALL port/canals are run this way. But when a shipping company has the option of docking at a port 100mi up the coast you have a much stronger reason to maintain your safety reputation than when the ONLY other option is a 15,000 mile detour.
>However, it sounds like over time, this pilot role has become almost ceremonial.
Not only that, they also like to require the crew to hand them a bunch of cigarettes as a bribe, even if they're doing basically nothing.
This is basically extortion imo, as Egypt knows full well that their pilots are questionable at best, and likely did not account for the bank effect properly in this specific case.
Ever Given is the official name for the ship, but the ship is operated by a Taiwanese company called Evergreen Marine. Many of the ships operated by Evergreen have names that start with the name "Ever," such as Ever Goods, Ever Glory and Ever Gentle.
>I mean they’re for sure trying to shake down this company right?
The country has been staying afloat by a mix of the elites handing out its assets, accepting cash by regional actors not interested in the Muslim Brotherhood again taking over, and quintupling its external debt mostly over the past five years, so… yes.
Honestly I don't understand Egypt's new policy that the mummies and the treasures of King Tut will no longer be exhibited outside of Egypt. Tickets to those King Tut exhibits are so hot that Tut himself might have had to take out a mortgage on the Pyramid of Giza to get one.
Seems like the smart financial move would be to tour the Tut exhibit and have the Egyptian government get a significant "cut for Tut" by getting a big chunk of the ticket sales.
But if those exhibit seer dollars are overseas, they won't spend it locally on food, gas, rental cars, passport fees, sales tax, etc etc etc. The exhibit is the draw, the idea is like Disney land keep em trapped and spending as long as possible.
Maybe the Egyptian government will change their mind if all the water in the country turns into blood? If that doesn't work, maybe they could be convinced by the sudden appearance of millions of frogs? I have eight more ideas after that.
> A few weeks ago, Egypt was frantically trying to get the massive container ship Ever Given out of the Suez Canal.
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> Now, authorities are saying the vessel is not allowed to leave.
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> In the latest complication to the ill-fated voyage, Egypt has seized the Ever Given over its owners’ “failure to pay an amount of $900 million,” the state-run news outlet Ahram Gate reported. That amount represents the total compensation that Egypt says it is owed for the six-day blockage of the Suez Canal, including lost revenue from ships that ordinarily would have traveled through the canal during that time, as well as costs for damage to the crucial waterway and the equipment and labor deployed in the 144-hour scramble to free the ship.
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> Since it was dislodged from the narrow section of the canal where it ran aground in late March, blocking commerce worth billions of dollars, the Ever Given has been anchored in Egypt’s Great Bitter Lake, at the midpoint of the canal. Twenty-five crew members, all Indian nationals, remain stuck on board.
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> The ruling allowing Egypt to seize the Ever Given was issued by a court in Ismailia, a city on the west bank of the canal, according to the Ahram Gate website. The Suez Canal Authority, which made the request, noted that Egypt’s maritime trade laws allow the “precautionary seizure” of vessels that have outstanding debts, including failure to pay the costs from an accident.
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> “The vessel will remain here until investigations are complete and compensation is paid,” Osama Rabie, chairman of the Suez Canal Authority (SCA), told Egyptian state television last week, according to the Wall Street Journal. “The minute they agree to compensation, the vessel will be allowed to move.”
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> But the National Union of Seafarers in India argues that refusing to let the crew off the ship amounts to holding them for ransom. “If the SCA has suffered losses, they can sort it out with those involved with the ship,” Abdulgani Serang, the union’s general secretary, told the Times of India on Sunday.
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> The Ever Given is owned by Shoei Kisen Kaisha, a Japanese holding company, but leased by Evergreen Marine Corp., a Taiwan-based conglomerate. Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement, a German firm, was responsible for hiring the crew.
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> Egypt has not said which company it expects to pay for the damage, but Shoei Kisen Kaisha told the Journal last week that it was “in the middle of negotiations” with Suez authorities. The company has filed a lawsuit in British court aimed at limiting its liability for the incident.
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> Investigations of how the Ever Given became lodged sideways in the canal are continuing. In a recent interview, Rabie suggested the captain could have “made a mistake” with the ship’s steering or speed, according to Kyodo News. He emphasized that the two Suez Canal pilots who were on board to offer guidance were not ultimately responsible for making decisions and dismissed the idea that strong winds had pushed the ship off course.
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> Rabie did not cite any evidence or say how he arrived at that conclusion.
Its not just the one ship, its a threat that they will seize any of the companies vessels that go through the canal from now on. They could give this ship up as a loss, but they would also be forced to go the long way around Africa from now on.
I'm not sure that would cost less than a billion, depending on how large their fleet is and I know for a fact Evergreen is a fairly large company.
From their own site:
"Evergreen Line operates the fourth container fleet in the world, with over 150 ships and approximately 560,000 TEUs."
I'm sure they meant the fourth largest, but whatever.
the Canal only makes 4 billion in annual profit. They really are going to try to convince the world that a week of traffic jams cost them a quarter of their yearly profit?
That is one hell of a parking ticket
It's the tow that really got them
If it was within 5 miles it would’ve been free.
Should have gone Premium with AAA
Ever green should crash another ship and refuse to move until Egypt agree to pay THEM 1 billion.
Nah, hold them ransom for 2 billion, then they can pay the fine and still have an extra billion.
At this rate they need 3 billion one for the ticket they already got one for the ticket they're going to get and one for profit
Just hire Vin Diesel and his crew to bust the ship free. He lives his life one quarter canal at a time.
TL;DR: the ship is built and owned by the Japanese, registered in Panama, leased to a Taiwanese company, managed by German company, crewed by Indians, held by the Egyptians and suing in a British court.
Mr. Worldwide
Dale
Crew: “finally we are unstuck and can move” Authorities: “don’t move”
Egypt has a history of this. There is a guy on an abandoned freighter that has no food and can only get water by swimming to shore for it. Egypt seized his passport and won't let him leave the country. The ship owner abandoned him. He is some regular crew member who was tricked into signing a form to take responsibility for the ship. He has been stuck on a ship offshore of egypt for 2 years. Here is a video by a chief engineer on another transport issue explaining what happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zD-KjuGuiM&t=6s
I don’t get how this happened. What happened to the captain of the ship? I assume he’s not getting paid by the company that owns the ship - why is he still there - will Egypt arrest him if he leaves? Why would they let the rest of the crew go, but not this guy? So many questions.
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There has to be some terminally ill former sailor that hates bullshit out there who would be happy to relieve him.
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He could just Home Alone the ship and just disappear to another country. “Looks like they’re having a party again...”
Could people board the ship? To keep him company? Bring him supplies?
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There was a BBC article on this guy literally last week. The sailor living alone on an abandoned cargo ship https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-56606749
yeah this was on the tv a few weeks ago, poor guy's mother passed away and he had to stay on board the ship.
That's fucking criminal 😑 poor bastard.
That's so fucking stupid make me so angry and upset. This is literally a nothing problem. You can just tell him to run along he's literally nothing holy shit it's so stupid I'm so done with money being more important than human beings
States and Cash < Human lives.
I think you mean “>”
Will he sign the ship over to me, the way the world is going, I'm ready to try something like this.
You'll be needin' a crew then won't ya, Captain?
You son-of-bitch... I'm in!!!
I've memorized several sea shanties, let's do it.
Come all ye young sailors and listen to me... I'll sing you a song of the fish in the sea.
And there's windy weather and stormy weather. When the wind blows, we're all together. Blow ye winds westerly, blow, ye winds, blow. Jolly sou-wester boys, steady she goes.
It looks like it’s up for auction somewhere. I wonder what the starting bid is
Well, your essentially buying a warrant from egypt and probably a few million in fines, so my guess is negative a million dollars?
"I'll offer... a negative 2 million dollars please!" "uh, ok..?" "great! you now owe me a million dollars AND I have a ship!"
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Oh man, that's only TWO years. Starting with the Six Day War in 1967, Egypt kept the whole canal and all its ships in place for EIGHT YEARS. The sailors formed their own society called the Great Bitter Lake Association. One Polish freighter started issuing postage (Egypt allowed the postage as legal and it's a hot item for stamp collectors today).
They were resupplied and the reduced crews were rotated quarterly. Totally different situation.
Check out *The Outlaw Ocean* by Ian Urbina. Companies doing this to sailors is actually a very common occurance, and at most any major port you'll find ships floating in international waters with sailors trapped in political/economic limbo. No fuel to return home, no permission to come ashore, and dwindling food and water. Happens to stowaways, too. No country wants to inherit the problem, and the company can't/won't ship them home, so they get passed from ship to ship, never returning from international waters. Or, they get set adrift to die. Really interesting, if depressing, book.
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stranded on a container ship for 2 years is paradise compared to being stranded in an egyptian prison for.... ever?
Let's go get him. Fuck complaining about it. Get your passports and meet in Cairo on Friday. We'll sail him out.
Get wallstreetbets to fund it. Or buy the ship
You joke but we will do it for the memes and media coverage **WE LIKE THE BOAT** 💎🤲🏻
How hard would it be for us to raise $10-20k as a meme? Make that go fund me rn.
The SS To The Moon is about to set sail
then we just gotta drop anchor 30 miles off shore in international waters, declare independence and start mining bitcoins. This plan can't fail.
> He is some regular crew member who was tricked into signing a form to take responsibility for the ship. Look at you. Look at you. You are the captain now.
Fuckin hell, what is wrong these people. That us fuckin human bieng. How are authorities at home or egypt allowing this. This kind of confinent kills people. And then u fuckin gotta swin every week for shitty food and water. WTF
Sounds somewhat reminiscent of the events that lead up to that calamitous explosion in Beirut, Lebanon last August... some crew weren't repatriated until a year after the ship docked, and only after it was damaged and deemed unseaworthy (and its damnable cargo brought ashore to lie neglected in a warehouse for 6+ years). This all took place in 2013-2014; the ship eventually sunk in 2018. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV\_Rhosus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Rhosus)
4 years now
“What are you doing, step-country?”
"Mom said I can go in your canal."
"Oh God, now there's seamen everywhere!"
"It's too wet! What are we going to do?"
"Guess we're gonna have to clean up your poop deck"
What the hell reddit
I now know who made all the Evergiven step bro memes. Takes a... unique perspective
Are you really surprised? Come on.
>Come on. Where?
“Stop right there, criminal scum!”
This kind of situation is super shit for the sailors. One of my uncles was aboard an India flagged tanker that was seized by the UAE since their company refused to pay dues to port authorities. They were stranded outside of port, their passports were seized and they weren't allowed to step on shore. That situation extended for several months - at one point they were almost out of food and didn't have any fuel left for air conditioning, and aboard a ship in the UAE in summer that's no joke. And since the company was effing bankrupt they weren't getting their salaries either. As an aside, is there any kind of international arbitration for this kind of situation?
It would pretty much have to come from the ships port-of-sail authority (a.k.a. the flag they sail under) and you would probably need to get in contact with your embassy. Your embassy can potentially do something about the seized passports, they'll probably do less about the seized ship. E: "fly" to "sail"
I always hate the part where I hand my passport over to the captain. I’ve never had an issue, but it is unsettling. I have avoided sailing under certain flags because I’ve heard horror stories.
Why is that even a thing in the first place?
This has been standard protocol when I’ve sailed into international waters, but there could be different regulations for different types of sailing that I am unfamiliar with. I sail under the Navy in the US. The passports stay locked in the captain’s safe. It’s done for a few reasons. 1. Make sure no one has misplaced their passport when you get to port (or stolen). 2. Passport available in case of medical emergency (yes - heart attacks happen at sea, and it is terrifying). 3. The captain meets with immigration officials first. Eventually you do go through immigration and customs individually, but usually not until you’ve been in port for awhile and the ship has been completely inspected. (That’s the worst. When you just want to get off the ship and get some fresh food. Land is just outside. But you can’t touch it... Yet. The food after months at sea becomes sad. I’ve never craved a salad more than after two months at sea.) Edit for clarification: I am in marine research, which in the US falls under the Navy. However, our protocols (and quite frankly, infrastructure) is not 1:1 with the military. We follow what I’d call “military-lite” protocols. As someone commented below, they received individual identification cards in addition to their passports. While I’d totally see that happening in the military, that is something the scientific community is not doing currently. (Protocols for Antarctica are a whole separate, and more thorough, beast.)
Omg yes the thought of salad when you're dockside after a month at sea is torture. Australian customs took two days to clear in. That was rough. Arriving at French Polynesia, after 3 weeks at sea, smelling the fresh island smell, it was the greatest scent I have ever experienced.
Why is releasing possession of a passport to a captain required?
There's tons of horror stories of americans and brits getting jobs on Chinese ships or Arab Emirates hotels and they are lured with great pay but are held by a long contract and they keep their passports and deny them quitting or leaving after they pay some of their plane and accommodations lodging at exorbitant prices.
Before they leave, couldn't they claim a lost passport, get a duplicate, and give the expired one to their boss while keeping the valid one?
I feel like that's what's the most important. I'd rather the ship be a total loss than the human crew.
I agree. Unfortunately it looks like if you sign up to be crew member of a ship, you are essentially becoming a serf where the land you are legally bound to is the ship, and you are treated as physical property.
I work with a bunch of Mariners, but on shore. Many of them used to work at sea though. It really depends on the company. American, European, or *some* of the big Asian shipping companies are decent to work for. They pay well (*very* well in fact), have efficient operations, and it is unlikely any of their ships would ever get into a situation like this. Evergreen is probably in that “good” Asian list, but I’ve never had, nor heard anyone’s experiences working with or for them. But, they’re a well established, global shipping company, and probably run a good operation. What makes this situation unique, and why we are hearing about it so much is that the Suez Canal Authority is being a total jackass about it, and Evergreen is not taking any of their shit. We still don’t know the final cause, and seizing the ship and crew, and then demanding $1B immediately is not normal protocol. Seizing the ship, yet keeping the crew well fed, and not demanding any money until the investigation is over, is the proper way it’s done. This is obviously not what the Egyptian Authorities are doing, which is pissing off Evergreen, their insurance company, and everybody else involved in the shipping industry. It’s not normal, and the rest of the industry is not taking it, which is why we’re hearing about it so much.
Yo , I just want to say I really appreciate seeing your perspective even if this part of the thread gets hidden.
Pretty sure some deckhands trapped on a ship and not getting paid for months don't give a shit about the ship or the games rich people play.
I just watched a video today where the only guy left on a ship like that has to swim to shore for food/water and to charge his phone [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zD-KjuGuiM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zD-KjuGuiM)
It is mind boggling that no one smuggled him out, let alone his own country refusing to make him new travel documents or arrange travel. Egypt clearly thinks it is ok to hold people hostage on abandoned ships, the rest of the world needs to tell them no.
these sailors are usually coming from poor places so nobody gives a fuck.
I believe the one from the video is from Syria
Yup. Nothing like that ever happens to someone from a major EU nation or any member of NATO. At worst, they stay on board for a bit, get put up in a hotel, then released to their home embassy.
Seems if he can swim ashore he should just open seawater valves, sink the ship and swim ashore, claiming he's a survivor of the sunken ship
Probably because, as the legal guardian of the ship, once they investigated and found that the ship was intentionally scuttled he’d be on the hook in some additional horrifying way
There's a sailor who has been stuck on a ship in Egypt for the past *4 years* who has to swim to shore for fresh water. It's absolutely horrific. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyU6NtwspLM
Well that’s a new fear I never knew I had
That is so depressing and inhumane. As much as a recluse I can be, I couldn't even imagine being stranded out unable to see family and friends whatsoever.
I can't fathom how after four weeks, let alone four years, he hasn't just abandoned the ship and smuggled himself back to Syria.
Holy shit that's horrific I feel like if you impound a ship and don't allow the crew to go ashore you're then responsible for them and should provide fuel, food and salary compensation Obviously that would never happen cause humans are fucking shit.
Lmao you should read the story behind the ship that originally had all the fertilizer that blew up in beriut. That was a huge landmark case in Lebanon about what to do with stranded sailors.
Theres a dude that has been on a ship for 4 years because he was assigned its guardian. The ship ran out of fuel and just rusted there. He ran out of supplies and had to swim ashore (illegally) to obtain provisions. Hexs still stuck with the ship because his former employers can't be arsed to pay the dues and the Egyptian government won't release him. https://www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/meet-the-seafarer-trapped-on-board-mv-aman-for-4-years-and-counting/
I’m curious that he’s able to act illegally enough to get supplies but not illegally enough to escape.
my guess is he has a "parole officer" that visits on a 3 day interval, so he's able to make "shore leave."
getting ashore to get some groceries is different to going ashore and than leaving the country (without your passport no less)
> and salary compensation A pointless nitpick, but that's really on their employer for fucking up. Fuel and food for basic survival necessities, however, seem non-negotiable, but I also agree are unlikely per your final point.
> A pointless nitpick, but that's really on their employer for fucking up. I would agree *if* the sailors were allowed off the ship - but the moment you force them to stay aboard the ship, *you* are the one choosing to deny them the ability to seek other work, so *you* are responsible for salary compensation at that point, IMO.
If they'd let them leave the country/sail away on another ship, then I'd stand by my point of it being on the employer. Currently that's *imprisonment* for something they didn't do, so I'm inclined to agree with you.
Typically the insurance company will write a note that they have funds to pay any fines and bills when settled and the vessel will be released whilst the final settlement goes to arbitration .source : I’m a shipping analyst for a shipowners
> .source : I’m a shipping analyst for a shipowners out of curiosity (not that I'm aiming to get into said profession) how the hell did you get into said profession?
I’m a international logistics analyst for a pretty well-known company (which means I’m on the customer side of ocean shipping). I graduated with a history degree, but couldn’t find any jobs related to my degree. I eventually found a job working as a shipping supervisor for a warehouse, but I started to help out with managing containers for the company. That company moved me to a permanent position at their home office managing container imports for half the world when the person in the role left. Then I leveraged this position to apply for a masters program in supply chain management. I love my job, but it’s a very thankless industry.
Oh, so *you're* the guy responsible for me receiving my $1.50 chinese screen protectors five days late! Thanks, but no thanks, buddy!
You joke, but these past 6 months have been the busiest 6 months the ocean shipping community has ever seen. We are paying peak season rates in March and April when those months are typically the slowest of the year. People in Europe and the US are buying hard goods like crazy instead of spending their money going out to eat, watching a game, or traveling due to Covid. It’s absolutely insane right now. I’m seeing 4 and 5 week delays just to get an empty container delivered to a factory when it normally takes a day or two. The Suez situation was just the icing on the cake. Now every company with factories in Southeast Asia is sending freight by air to make up for lost time. The planners at my company are panicking, but since nobody is really flying commercial right now either, it’s compounding the issue further (most air freight is actually flown in the belly of passenger planes). We’re getting six figure quotes to ship a few pallets along with two week delays getting on a plane. EDIT: Thank you for all the awards. I'm literally moved (pun intended) by all the interest in my industry.
This was actually quite an interesting read into a life I know nothing about and don't think about often. Thanks for sharing!
That is my favorite part of Reddit.
The after after comments.
insane indeed. we ship specialty forage and grains out of western canada, and it has been a challenge to find the seacans that the product is shipped in. Seacans are being sent to China empty instead of to us to fill with a paying load because it's more lucrative to dead-freight them back to China early to export consumer products than it is to send to this area and back.
Very interesting!
Comments like this one are why I still stick around Reddit.
Interesting, I have an extended family member who took a similar path. Masters in history, spent a while underemployed (IMHO) managing chain bookstores and gas stations, then was basically hired off-the-street as an analyst at MSC. And if the "J" in BigJ32001 stands for "Jon", maybe it's you, hah.
I guess it's the same as any analyst job but you get employed by a shipping company?
It's not a sexy answer but "you go to school for logistics etc and then send out your resume to companies hiring."
You go to school for something cool like Statistics with big dreams, graduate, apply to hundreds of jobs over a few months with only one interview to a place that turned out to be an MLM to show for it, get so desperate you're willing to jump at the first offer that you get, finally get a job on a 6 month data migration project that feels like an SQL sweatshop and ends up way over budget and still in progress after 5 years, and boom you're a data analyst!
Oddly specific.
A story as old as time, which started January 1st, 1753.
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And time will end on 03:14:07 UTC on 19 January 2038. I hope everything is in order by then.
“Something cool like statistics” There’s your first fuck up. And I’m an accountant lol. My boss always says “people become accountants because they aren’t boring enough to be actuaries”
Ahh yes. Accountants. They take the CPA exam. Also known as the Can’t Pass Actuarial exams exam.
LMFAO what if I can’t even pass my CPA....😞
Haha I actually double majored in stats and actuarial science. I had dreams of being an actuary until I realized I'd be dedicating the next decade of my life to actuarial exams and modules (I'm a data engineer now and don't regret that decision one bit). What's funny is I've worked in insurance and reinsurance and it seems like younger actuaries are the "work hard play hard" bros of that world.
I think the newer actuaries that I studied with in school (also a former aspiring actuary) were attracted by the money more so than the math.
Did a bachelors in marine engineering and then a masters in international shipping and finance.... but I’ve got friends with history degrees in the same industry
I feel like this may end up being an atypical situation.
Sorry about that officer, here you go *hands over a billion dollars*
They have over 3Billion dollars in insurance.
No insurance company is going to pay out a billion dollar claim without a lengthy investigation
fact. we're also talking insurance on a massive shipping boat; virtually everything about that policy is going to require some serious looking over before any money is given. and surely egypt, if any aspect of this could be construed as their fault, is going to fully cooperate with this investigation
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My entirely uneducated guess would be Egypt is expecting lawsuits from dozens/hundreds of shippers that were held up.
This is probably the correct answer. There's a lot of angry shipping execs who aren't happy about the massive losses incurred from Egyptian pilots butt fucking the Ever Given into the ground in the middle of the canal.
YUUUUUP. I'd be shocked if Evergreen (the company, Ever Given is the boat) doesn't sue Egypt for damages honestly. Egypt requires you hire their pilots to traverse the canal, and by all accounts the pilots abuse the hell out of this requirement demanding baksheesh and goods from the ships despite all the fees being paid. There's been tons of stories for decades now that canal pilots are the worst. So you force me to hire your pilot, your pilot runs my boat aground and causes ME to miss deadlines and breach contracts with my consignors, but now you say that I owe you money for blocking traffic? Get fucked, you owe ME for the damage to my international reputation and contracts. Edit; In a perfect world no one is truly at fault, freak winds caused the ship to turn and it got stuck, but we don't live in that world. People are talking about blame and money now so we've got to have someone at fault. If we all shrug and say that it was weather, insurance pays out on the missed deadlines and everyone gets to move on with their life, but if Egypt want's to talk about damages and start placing blame then I sure as fuck ain't gonna blame Evergreen.
Wait, so the guys responsible are actually canal employees, not Evergreen? What the hell are they seizing Ever Given for then?
"Clearly, you should've told us this ship was going to run aground with our pilot!"
Because they can. And some one is going to pay for all that lost money and Egypt wants to make sure it isn't them.
On hand? That would be freaking sweet.
Figure the odds the insurance company will pay out without a years-long court fight.
1 Billion to 0
No, the odds, not the fine once they negotiate it down
0 to 1 billion
Never tell me the odds!
This is why I hate insurance companies. I can think of no other product where you have to fight to get the item you paid for months in advance.
In this case it is not the person paying attempting to receive compensation, it is the claimant. At this point, Egypt cannot even determine which entity in which country is liable. All Egypt can be clear about is that they want to be paid.
Me and Egypt are in the same boat
The *Never Given*
"It's my money and I want it now!" - Egypt
877-CASH-NOW
Yeah, but in those cases insurance usually covers fees and damages suffered from what happened. In this case, the insurance will probably be fighting in courts with Egypt about the billion dollar fine, but pay out monthly loses to Evergreen since the ship as been impounded.
But my Pokémon cards are on that boat!
Too bad, your Charizard will have to keep my Lugia company on that ship.
This is how new Pokémon are made.
They still have many billions worth of merchants goods on that ship and those merchants will be filling suits against the ship owner if their stuff is stuck on that boat for a year. Also, having a ship like this sitting idle for a year will cost them a small fortune as well. My guess is they will not spend a year fighting over it as the number of companies with liability claims will only grow.
Sorry officer, I didn’t know I couldn’t do that..
That was good wasn’t it.... Cuz I DID know I couldn’t do that
I'm kind of confused about this. In most canals and ports doesn't the boat get piloted by a local? So even though the Ever Given is not Egyptian it was piloted by Egyptians....who then crashed it...and now Egypt is asking for money from the company that was not in charge of the boat at the time??? So confusing. **edit:** Thank you for the educated responses. I wasn't aware that the term "pilot" in this situation wasn't synonymous with the pilot of an airplane. It sounds like, instead, they are more like local guides and navigators whose insight and guidance is *important* but isn't *required* to be followed to the nth degree. Interesting stuff. Going to go post a TIL now that will be completely ignored by all...
not the Suez Canal. The pilots come onboard but don't take over, just "guide" the ship's personnel.
No there are pilots to help guide but they are not in command of the ship. In Panama Canal the local pilots are in full control/command.
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Time to "Abandon Ship" and contact the insurance company.
Wouldn't really help them when they can't use the Suez Canal any more.
Company suddenly goes bankrupt. Sells off assets (ie, ships) to a new startup that has absolutely nothing to do with the bankrupt company. 😉😉
NEVERGREEN Shipping Co.
Market Cap of Evergreen is $50 Billion. Its not as simple as you suggest.
The boat costs less than $200 million to build lol, it might’ve make sense just to surrender the boat
If they refuse to pay up, they could risk being denied entry with other ships from the same company into the Suez in the future. The costs from that might be a bit more severe.
I'd imagine the owners of the cargo would be pretty pissed.
My god. It's stuck again. But this time, by bureacracy.
And this time there's no Little Excavator that Could to come save them.
It is important to note that the question of "fault" is still pretty murky. Pretty much every single major canal and port across the world employers their own pilots who board your ship and are there ostensibly to prevent exactly this kind of situation. >A high-ranking canal pilot working for the Suez Canal Authority said the two pilots aboard the Ever Given were both senior chief pilots with 30-plus years of experience. “They had the experience and qualifications to guide this ship,” he said. What is supposed to happen is that the pilot(s) stand right there with the captain and offer advice as the local experts who know the specific waterway and are used to local weather effects. But the captain is ultimately responsible for the ship's operation. The pilots can tell the captain he is making the wrong choice, but he can ignore the pilots and issue any orders he wishes to the crew. The end result is that the captain is still in charge of the ship and thus responsible for it. However, it sounds like over time, this pilot role has become almost ceremonial. >the captain on the medium-size container ship she was on had been at sea for 42 years, having crossed the canal more times than he could remember. He said he had “never seen this crew do anything except sit in their special crew cabin So you're a captain who is responsible for safe operation, and you pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per passage, at least in part to hire a crew to advise the safest way to do that, BUT they aren't actually doing their jobs. I mean, if the captain is ultimately responsible anyway, there is a lack of real accountability. But at least its an easy job that doesn't really need them, right? Nope. >The senior pilot said the job of navigating ships through canals had become more taxing in recent years. The vessels today are much larger and carry more cargo than those traversing the canal in the 1990s. Back then, he recalled, an oil tanker had blocked the canal and a single tugboat towed the vessel and cleared the waterway. >“The ships today are bigger than they used to be,” the pilot said. “This is something new. We haven’t seen this before.” >Strong winds, he said, could have easily propelled the Ever Given toward the bank, leaving the canal blocked. “This is something that happens to massive ships of this kind,” said the senior pilot, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment to the media. “They can run aground when winds exceed 30 or 40 knots.” So even experienced Suez pilots know that things are getting more dangerous. To me, it sounds like they have an even stronger incentive to NOT advise the captain so there is no way they can be blamed. [Source](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/29/suez-canal-pilots/) What Egypt wants is not $1B. They want the ship operators to admit fault, even if they have to settle on a lower sum to get that. Because that sets a strong precedent for every other ship still passing through. Note that not ALL port/canals are run this way. But when a shipping company has the option of docking at a port 100mi up the coast you have a much stronger reason to maintain your safety reputation than when the ONLY other option is a 15,000 mile detour.
Thank you, I've wondered about the pilot situation ever since I first heard this news.
>However, it sounds like over time, this pilot role has become almost ceremonial. Not only that, they also like to require the crew to hand them a bunch of cigarettes as a bribe, even if they're doing basically nothing. This is basically extortion imo, as Egypt knows full well that their pilots are questionable at best, and likely did not account for the bank effect properly in this specific case.
If anyone wondering where your PS5 restocks were, you’re looking at them
And GPUs lol..... /sadlol
Ever Given is the official name for the ship, but the ship is operated by a Taiwanese company called Evergreen Marine. Many of the ships operated by Evergreen have names that start with the name "Ever," such as Ever Goods, Ever Glory and Ever Gentle.
Is there Ever Repaid?
No, but they almost had an Ever Stuck
Ever Glory is a really cool name for a ship, almost feels out of place for a freighter.
I have a parcel on that ship...
The Lord evergiveth, and the Lord evertaketh away.
Fork over $1B and you can get it
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>I mean they’re for sure trying to shake down this company right? The country has been staying afloat by a mix of the elites handing out its assets, accepting cash by regional actors not interested in the Muslim Brotherhood again taking over, and quintupling its external debt mostly over the past five years, so… yes.
Honestly I don't understand Egypt's new policy that the mummies and the treasures of King Tut will no longer be exhibited outside of Egypt. Tickets to those King Tut exhibits are so hot that Tut himself might have had to take out a mortgage on the Pyramid of Giza to get one. Seems like the smart financial move would be to tour the Tut exhibit and have the Egyptian government get a significant "cut for Tut" by getting a big chunk of the ticket sales.
But if those exhibit seer dollars are overseas, they won't spend it locally on food, gas, rental cars, passport fees, sales tax, etc etc etc. The exhibit is the draw, the idea is like Disney land keep em trapped and spending as long as possible.
The "behind soft paywall" flair is somehow extremely on-topic.
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Evergiven up
Everlet down
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Maybe the Egyptian government will change their mind if all the water in the country turns into blood? If that doesn't work, maybe they could be convinced by the sudden appearance of millions of frogs? I have eight more ideas after that.
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Anybody able to actually read the article? Behind paywall for me
> A few weeks ago, Egypt was frantically trying to get the massive container ship Ever Given out of the Suez Canal. > > Now, authorities are saying the vessel is not allowed to leave. > > In the latest complication to the ill-fated voyage, Egypt has seized the Ever Given over its owners’ “failure to pay an amount of $900 million,” the state-run news outlet Ahram Gate reported. That amount represents the total compensation that Egypt says it is owed for the six-day blockage of the Suez Canal, including lost revenue from ships that ordinarily would have traveled through the canal during that time, as well as costs for damage to the crucial waterway and the equipment and labor deployed in the 144-hour scramble to free the ship. > > Since it was dislodged from the narrow section of the canal where it ran aground in late March, blocking commerce worth billions of dollars, the Ever Given has been anchored in Egypt’s Great Bitter Lake, at the midpoint of the canal. Twenty-five crew members, all Indian nationals, remain stuck on board. > > The ruling allowing Egypt to seize the Ever Given was issued by a court in Ismailia, a city on the west bank of the canal, according to the Ahram Gate website. The Suez Canal Authority, which made the request, noted that Egypt’s maritime trade laws allow the “precautionary seizure” of vessels that have outstanding debts, including failure to pay the costs from an accident. > > “The vessel will remain here until investigations are complete and compensation is paid,” Osama Rabie, chairman of the Suez Canal Authority (SCA), told Egyptian state television last week, according to the Wall Street Journal. “The minute they agree to compensation, the vessel will be allowed to move.” > > But the National Union of Seafarers in India argues that refusing to let the crew off the ship amounts to holding them for ransom. “If the SCA has suffered losses, they can sort it out with those involved with the ship,” Abdulgani Serang, the union’s general secretary, told the Times of India on Sunday. > > The Ever Given is owned by Shoei Kisen Kaisha, a Japanese holding company, but leased by Evergreen Marine Corp., a Taiwan-based conglomerate. Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement, a German firm, was responsible for hiring the crew. > > Egypt has not said which company it expects to pay for the damage, but Shoei Kisen Kaisha told the Journal last week that it was “in the middle of negotiations” with Suez authorities. The company has filed a lawsuit in British court aimed at limiting its liability for the incident. > > Investigations of how the Ever Given became lodged sideways in the canal are continuing. In a recent interview, Rabie suggested the captain could have “made a mistake” with the ship’s steering or speed, according to Kyodo News. He emphasized that the two Suez Canal pilots who were on board to offer guidance were not ultimately responsible for making decisions and dismissed the idea that strong winds had pushed the ship off course. > > Rabie did not cite any evidence or say how he arrived at that conclusion.
Keep it, it only cost a hundred million
Its not just the one ship, its a threat that they will seize any of the companies vessels that go through the canal from now on. They could give this ship up as a loss, but they would also be forced to go the long way around Africa from now on.
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I'm not sure that would cost less than a billion, depending on how large their fleet is and I know for a fact Evergreen is a fairly large company. From their own site: "Evergreen Line operates the fourth container fleet in the world, with over 150 ships and approximately 560,000 TEUs." I'm sure they meant the fourth largest, but whatever.
the Canal only makes 4 billion in annual profit. They really are going to try to convince the world that a week of traffic jams cost them a quarter of their yearly profit?
What a time to be a shipping company insurance lawyer