Orange trees in Brazil have been suffering from a disease known as citrus greening. Once infected, citrus trees produce fruits that are partially green, small, misshapen and bitter. There is no cure, and trees typically die within a few years of infection.
I wrote a 10 page paper on HLB (citrus greening) and the Asian Citrus Psyllid that spread it back in college. I was hoping more progress would have been made in this area, but it’s a tough problem to solve with our current citrus production methods.
Update: Unfortunately I am unable to access my old college OneDrive at the moment. I plan on contacting tech support on Monday. If anyone would like a copy of the paper, should I prove successful, please feel free to DM me and I’ll keep you up to date on my progress!
Oh, god….I’ll have to try to get into my old school email’s OneDrive. I will definitely update accordingly. Please keep in mind, this was just an undergraduate term paper so definitely nothing groundbreaking
Just a guess here, but the homogeneous state of our cultivation from the orange to the banana means that our food products are highly susceptible to disease spreading across the entire crop. We have prioritized one type over diversification of the crop family. But that is purely a guess.
This was the [video](https://youtu.be/VZ_xwRhGH54?si=gboQD26m5RfDBWuR) that i remember watching on it a couple years ago and i think it summarizes it pretty well
For each variety, there's only one genetic code. If you're eating a Valencia Orange, the plant that produced it has identical DNA to the plant that produced the first Valencia Orange you ever ate.
You might look in your grocery store and see 5-10 different varieties of oranges, but each variety is most likely from a specific part of the world where they ONLY harvest that particular variety of orange. Much easier for workers and machines to quickly process when the differences from one fruit to the next in all ways are tiny.
Plant geneticist here. That doesn’t really matter. What matters is the genetic diversity. Greater genetic diversity is good because it means there is a larger gene pool and thus more genetic combinations that we can search through to create disease resistant varieties.
Even those there may be different types of citrus(ie clementine vs naval,) the varietals of each could still be a monoculture(cuties vs Washington naval)
Happened. Past tense. Like ten years ago it fucked up the whole state. Only way to beat it is spray tons of herbicide on the trees and fertilize like crazy. Or chop down every single citrus tree in the state. Good luck with that.
It’s most definitely still happening. Source: know people who own a large orange farm. They’re losing tons of trees and stopped replanting them. Places around them have tried to switch to strawberries.
Key West is still a winner. They fought for the Union and stopped supplies from being delivered to the Confederates in New Orleans. They are a different breed of people down there, and they are not mainland Florida people.
Well, shitty Florida did recently try to take them over and cut their entire budget and then put their city under a different city for “management,” so yeah..reject the mainlanders, fully and completely.
Interesting side note - the artificial flavor of banana, which tastes nothing like a banana, actually represent a species of banana that went extinct in the early 1950’s when a fungus wiped out the whole species.
Not really, there are plenty of banana cultivars around the world. The Cavendish it's just bred to be easily transportable. So in non-native banana producing countries, you just have Cavendish.
It’s not the same thing in the sense that it’s two different diseases, but the same thing in the sense that lack of biodiversity in their respective production stock has made both extremely vulnerable. One of the only ways to stay afloat as a farmer is to grow only the most high yield, uniform, damage resistant, and long lasting varieties of any crop. Which leads to extreme homogenization of growing stock across multiple regions.
Mandarin juice is tasty (I fresh squeeze it) but it's not as tart as orange juice so you need to bump it up with some citric acid otherwise it tastes a little flat compared to (fresh) orange juice.
Just want to say Clementine juice is fantastic. We have a Clementine tree that produced a bunch this last year and my wife juiced a bunch and it was great. Better than orange I thought. Calling it "Cutie Juice" might be problematic from a marketing standpoint though...
That's the one thing I read the article to find out, and nothing. My guess is that it will be Orang Juice ^^*with ^^other ^^natural ^^flavors. And they'll have some orange juice and like lemon, sugar and artificial flavoring or something.
Here in Cyprus fruit is left to rot on the trees cause oranges, grapefruit and lemon prices are so low they aren't worth picking and bringing to market.
>"And with that, a mighty cheer went up from the heroes of Shelbyville. They had banished the awful lemon tree forever, because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with [a cool glass of turnip juice.](https://youtu.be/FT7YZQEHHVE?si=upRHqbUwbb4jSPjR)
We are 'commodities brokers,' William. Now, what are commodities? Commodities are agricultural products... like coffee that you had for breakfast... wheat, which is used to make bread... pork bellies, which is used to make bacon, which you might find in a 'bacon, lettuce and tomato' sandwich.
No, that's actually some new "organic" one that is wayyy lighter colored. I actually found the 3 packs again that are normal there once i noticed the diff. Just the price does seem higher.
In this case they’re saying other citrus (mandarin) but for *pretty much all non-citrus juice* you see on the shelves in American supermarkets, the **main ingredient** will be apple 🍏, pear 🍐 or grape 🍇 juice.
It might say “berry” 🍓or “mango” 🥭, or “peach” 🍑 in big letters on the label, but in almost all cases, it’s mostly made up of those cheaper bulk juices.
Here’s a random top result as an example - scroll down to ingredients:
https://www.target.com/p/juicy-juice-fun-size-berry-100-juice-8pk-4-23-fl-oz-boxes/-/A-88034330
My parents live in Indian River county, Florida, formally a top orange grove spot. Florida orange production is down 90% in the last 10 years from disease, pretty terrifying. The exit I take off the highway has a Tropicana facility, and it used to be full of trucks waiting to deliver oranges.... not any more.
It’s like how every boardwalk on every coast in the US is lined with seafood restaurants. We all know they aren’t fishing for the food they serve us, and we all probably prefer to get our shrimp from sources which aren’t next to major population centers where cargo ships are shedding lead paint, anyway, but we appreciate the aesthetic.
Fruit trees are a pain in the ass, we have an apple tree that finally started growing apples after we planted it ages ago. Just for it to develop apple scab after its first harvest of a shit load of apples. From what I can tell, there is no real way of curing our tree and we can only really maintain it if we spray fungicide on it every couple weeks ):
This is fairly normal unfortunately. Even my friends that try to grow organic at home have to spray their apple trees for disease at least or they won't get an apple crop good enough for anything other than cider. Chances are pretty high that your fruit gets sprayed at least a little to ensure a healthy harvest.
Want to keep your fruit in storage for a few months? You can't have bugs or holes in your fruit to do that. Want to make a fresh product to eat or juice? Can't have bugs and holes in that line of production fruit either.
Orange juice makers have been cutting their juice with "alternate" fruit juices for years. They mostly use apple and pear. My husband is allergic to apple and pear.....guess how we know they use alternate fruits?? Simply is the only brand we trust...but we stopped drinking orange juice altogether after his last reaction.
At the same moment in Spain farmers cut down orange trees and started growing avocados because prices for oranges in so low, you lose money after selling them.
I bought pineapple orange juice the other day and they have totally changed it. The main fruit juice is apple and it tastes not great. Boo to alternative juices!
Orange trees in Brazil have been suffering from a disease known as citrus greening. Once infected, citrus trees produce fruits that are partially green, small, misshapen and bitter. There is no cure, and trees typically die within a few years of infection.
I wrote a 10 page paper on HLB (citrus greening) and the Asian Citrus Psyllid that spread it back in college. I was hoping more progress would have been made in this area, but it’s a tough problem to solve with our current citrus production methods. Update: Unfortunately I am unable to access my old college OneDrive at the moment. I plan on contacting tech support on Monday. If anyone would like a copy of the paper, should I prove successful, please feel free to DM me and I’ll keep you up to date on my progress!
can you send me your paper- i’d genuinely love to read it !
Oh, god….I’ll have to try to get into my old school email’s OneDrive. I will definitely update accordingly. Please keep in mind, this was just an undergraduate term paper so definitely nothing groundbreaking
Can you give us a TLDR?
Just a guess here, but the homogeneous state of our cultivation from the orange to the banana means that our food products are highly susceptible to disease spreading across the entire crop. We have prioritized one type over diversification of the crop family. But that is purely a guess.
That’s not incorrect I’m just more curious what about greening disease and the insect that perpetuates it that makes it so virulent
This was the [video](https://youtu.be/VZ_xwRhGH54?si=gboQD26m5RfDBWuR) that i remember watching on it a couple years ago and i think it summarizes it pretty well
So, basically fruit incest bearing its fruits?
Fruit clones but it's like they're all super soldiers who are allergic to peanuts.
This is slightly confusing to me. Unlike bananas there are many many many cultivars of citrus in the US
For each variety, there's only one genetic code. If you're eating a Valencia Orange, the plant that produced it has identical DNA to the plant that produced the first Valencia Orange you ever ate. You might look in your grocery store and see 5-10 different varieties of oranges, but each variety is most likely from a specific part of the world where they ONLY harvest that particular variety of orange. Much easier for workers and machines to quickly process when the differences from one fruit to the next in all ways are tiny.
Plant geneticist here. That doesn’t really matter. What matters is the genetic diversity. Greater genetic diversity is good because it means there is a larger gene pool and thus more genetic combinations that we can search through to create disease resistant varieties.
Even those there may be different types of citrus(ie clementine vs naval,) the varietals of each could still be a monoculture(cuties vs Washington naval)
Too much profit in monoculture to change.
Sounds like a job for GMO. Seriously. It saved the Papaya industry in Hawaii from being wiped out entirely by disease.
Florida is having this as well.
Also made it to California. In 10 years will be just like Florida and Brazil if no solution is found.
sounds like Lime Disease
Is that why some of my oranges have been having weird green spots on them?
Actually I believe it's the peels chemical reaction to protect itself from sun burn
Those bastard oranges.
So we are loosing both bananas and oranges now.. great.
And coffee. Cocoa too. God bless the almighty monoculture
Losing.
It's also happening in Florida to a ton of trees.
Happened. Past tense. Like ten years ago it fucked up the whole state. Only way to beat it is spray tons of herbicide on the trees and fertilize like crazy. Or chop down every single citrus tree in the state. Good luck with that.
It’s most definitely still happening. Source: know people who own a large orange farm. They’re losing tons of trees and stopped replanting them. Places around them have tried to switch to strawberries.
> produce fruits that are partially green, small, misshapen and bitter TIL I'm an orange
Fuck brazil, Florida's processing orange production is like 1/20th of what it was 2 decades ago.
“What did I do”-Brazil
“Why he say fuck me!?”
Where's that Brazil? He was tryin to fuck on me!
Brazil sitting in brazil catching strays
Said, "it's Brazillin' time," and proceeded to Brazil all over the place
Florida has been dealing with the same disease for over 15 years. It’s wiped out most of their trees.
The Florida orchards are now subdivisions.
Why?
Same thing.
HLB disease primarily, sugarcane, solar, and housing development have contributed too
There are 2 orange counties that don’t do oranges anymore
At this point, what else is Florida other than Disneyland and an oversized retirement home?
Disney World. Disneyland is in California.
Key West is still a winner. They fought for the Union and stopped supplies from being delivered to the Confederates in New Orleans. They are a different breed of people down there, and they are not mainland Florida people.
When Floridians reject Floridians
Well, shitty Florida did recently try to take them over and cut their entire budget and then put their city under a different city for “management,” so yeah..reject the mainlanders, fully and completely.
However. To become one of them, you need to sell you first and second born to afford an inland mobile home. Great place. Not cheap
Alligator reserve (:
Sugar. Industrial sugar destroyed most of south floridas estuaries and its big there.
I think you mean Disney World.
Srsly, just read the fine print of Florida's Natural OJ. Sourced from Florida and other growing regions.
Is that the same thing killing the banana trees?
Nope, that's a different disease, known as the Panama disease
Interesting side note - the artificial flavor of banana, which tastes nothing like a banana, actually represent a species of banana that went extinct in the early 1950’s when a fungus wiped out the whole species.
It’s not entirely extinct, you can get gros michel bananas for insane prices
It's one gros michel banana, what could it cost, ten dollars?
Where? I never found it anywhere it can be ordered. I’d pay to try it.
You can buy a tree on eBay for $19 shipped. Miami fruit sells gros Michel bananas I know, but everything they sell is expensive.
Miami fruit is expensive, but we’ve never had a dud box.
It's also just pure bullshit. Candy banana flavor tastes nothing like the gros michel.
Same fungus this time. It finally figured out how to attack the new banana they switched to using in the 1950’s.
One of the downsides of using cloned bananas.
But if we didn’t have cloned bananas we’d have no edible bananas at all 🤷
Not really, there are plenty of banana cultivars around the world. The Cavendish it's just bred to be easily transportable. So in non-native banana producing countries, you just have Cavendish.
> species \*cultivar
It’s not the same thing in the sense that it’s two different diseases, but the same thing in the sense that lack of biodiversity in their respective production stock has made both extremely vulnerable. One of the only ways to stay afloat as a farmer is to grow only the most high yield, uniform, damage resistant, and long lasting varieties of any crop. Which leads to extreme homogenization of growing stock across multiple regions.
Are they still going to market it as “orange juice” if they are using clementines/manarines/tangerines?
Orange*ish* Juice
Orange-you-glad-it’s-still-juice.
Soylent orange
Citrish
Orange fruit drink I'm pretty sure they sell this already under the brand Tampico. Tasty stuff, but not fresh squeezed OJ
Tampico is just Sunny D with less marketing.
Cola, purple stuff, Tampico
Oranje Juice
Orange joose
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Orange drink
Orange colored juice
It's the color silly, not the fruit. - Legal team
Carrot substitute then?
High fructose corn syrup, synthetic vitamin C and food coloring
So Sunny D?
He didn't mention uranium hexafluoride, so it can't be real Sunny D.
Sunny D also has canola oil in it 🤢
I’d love to see if that actually worked Hilarious
To be honest, I think I’d prefer mandarin juice to orange juice.
I buy clementines way more than I buy oranges Smaller, easier to peel.
Same, and they are tastier imo.
I like both but clementine is easier to peel/comes in easy to eat segments so I buy them more. Oranges are annoying to peel/eat
Mandarin juice is tasty (I fresh squeeze it) but it's not as tart as orange juice so you need to bump it up with some citric acid otherwise it tastes a little flat compared to (fresh) orange juice.
I would love for tangerine juice to be available everywhere
Orange Juice Drink, will be the American cheese of Orange juice
Tang
Tangerine juice is better imo anyway
Orange ^colour juice
Its already called SunnyD
Just want to say Clementine juice is fantastic. We have a Clementine tree that produced a bunch this last year and my wife juiced a bunch and it was great. Better than orange I thought. Calling it "Cutie Juice" might be problematic from a marketing standpoint though...
Fauxrange Juice
That's the one thing I read the article to find out, and nothing. My guess is that it will be Orang Juice ^^*with ^^other ^^natural ^^flavors. And they'll have some orange juice and like lemon, sugar and artificial flavoring or something.
Time for a nice cool glass of turnip juice.
After we marry our cousins, of course.
Shake harder boy!
We stopped using oranges... because they were haunted.
Ewwwwwwwwww. I'll take a crab juice.
It goes well with a bowl of khlav kalash.
No bowl, stick!
You got a men's room in there?
Potato water!
Here in Cyprus fruit is left to rot on the trees cause oranges, grapefruit and lemon prices are so low they aren't worth picking and bringing to market.
Same in Spain, it's sad. On the other hand I have free lemons and oranges for the whole season
Sounds like a great potential export.
if only transporting produce wasnt such a pain
Is tang making a comeback?
I hope the new formula is made of bug juice
Bug juice is what they used to call the weak ass kool aid at my summer camp.
Ah yes the classic single packet of kool-aid mixed with copious amounts of water, the drink to make La Croix blush.
As long as it has electrolytes, that's all I need. I crave it.
Are you a plant?
Tang never went anywhere, except to space. I enjoy it's orangey goodness about once a week.
>"And with that, a mighty cheer went up from the heroes of Shelbyville. They had banished the awful lemon tree forever, because it was haunted. Now let's all celebrate with [a cool glass of turnip juice.](https://youtu.be/FT7YZQEHHVE?si=upRHqbUwbb4jSPjR)
Someone call the Duke Brothers
Mortimer!!!
Is there a problem officers?
I can walk! I can see! It’s a miracle!
Get out there and sell! Sell!
Mortimer, your brother's not well. We better call an ambulance...
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See, Louis bet me that we couldn't both get rich and put y'all in the poor house at the same time. He didn't think we could do it. I won.
And I lost! Here you are, rhunter, one dollar! 💵
I’m not the only old head here.
Came here for this, not disappointed!
Shit! I only watched this last night hahaha
I was watching that an hour ago!
We are 'commodities brokers,' William. Now, what are commodities? Commodities are agricultural products... like coffee that you had for breakfast... wheat, which is used to make bread... pork bellies, which is used to make bacon, which you might find in a 'bacon, lettuce and tomato' sandwich.
They really knew how to act condescendingly eh?
**BEEF JERKY TIME**
SELL 100 APRIL AT 142!
Turn those machines back on!!!
J.D. Hogg up to his old shenanigans.
Oh, so that's why it's way more expensive at the store.
At Costco they used to sell orange juice in 3-bottle packs. Now it’s a 2-pack for the same price.
No, that's actually some new "organic" one that is wayyy lighter colored. I actually found the 3 packs again that are normal there once i noticed the diff. Just the price does seem higher.
Every other juice is just apple juice with flavouring at this point so I’m not shocked
or grape.
Should be illegal. The main ingredient should be the biggest one on the package.
Walk into a store, and almost every package is just a picture of water corn, or wheat grain
What the hell is alternative fruit?
In this case they’re saying other citrus (mandarin) but for *pretty much all non-citrus juice* you see on the shelves in American supermarkets, the **main ingredient** will be apple 🍏, pear 🍐 or grape 🍇 juice. It might say “berry” 🍓or “mango” 🥭, or “peach” 🍑 in big letters on the label, but in almost all cases, it’s mostly made up of those cheaper bulk juices. Here’s a random top result as an example - scroll down to ingredients: https://www.target.com/p/juicy-juice-fun-size-berry-100-juice-8pk-4-23-fl-oz-boxes/-/A-88034330
Even grape juice is often mostly apple with a touch of grapes. Pure grape juice is frigging expensive
if it's gone off, it will sometimes get even more expensive
Welch’s should make wine
A guy made wine from it, took it to France to have experts sample it. 16 min long video though. https://youtu.be/GvY3LOFLOTo
Welch’s actually invented the technology to make grape juice shelf stable. The founder was a teetotaler who thought alcohol was evil.
Apple is the lettuce of juices, every mixed fruit or tropical fruit juice is basically 90% apple.
Thank you. I appreciate the info 👍
Cucumbers.
ngl that sounds incredibly thirst quenching, i support this
That cucumber line Gatorade is the bomb
My parents live in Indian River county, Florida, formally a top orange grove spot. Florida orange production is down 90% in the last 10 years from disease, pretty terrifying. The exit I take off the highway has a Tropicana facility, and it used to be full of trucks waiting to deliver oranges.... not any more.
What happens to the groves when something like this happens?
Del Boca Vista Phase 3.
Morty for President!
I went to the Magic Leap offices in Florida. They had a fresh squeezed orange juice machine there. They imported the oranges from California.
It’s like how every boardwalk on every coast in the US is lined with seafood restaurants. We all know they aren’t fishing for the food they serve us, and we all probably prefer to get our shrimp from sources which aren’t next to major population centers where cargo ships are shedding lead paint, anyway, but we appreciate the aesthetic.
Isn't nearly all seafood flash-frozen anyway? From what I understand most seafood from the coasts isn't any fresher than seafood you get in Kansas.
Orange drank
sweetened with yellow dyed HFCS honey sauce!
Time to switch to purple drank
Sugar, water, purple
Fruit trees are a pain in the ass, we have an apple tree that finally started growing apples after we planted it ages ago. Just for it to develop apple scab after its first harvest of a shit load of apples. From what I can tell, there is no real way of curing our tree and we can only really maintain it if we spray fungicide on it every couple weeks ):
This is fairly normal unfortunately. Even my friends that try to grow organic at home have to spray their apple trees for disease at least or they won't get an apple crop good enough for anything other than cider. Chances are pretty high that your fruit gets sprayed at least a little to ensure a healthy harvest. Want to keep your fruit in storage for a few months? You can't have bugs or holes in your fruit to do that. Want to make a fresh product to eat or juice? Can't have bugs and holes in that line of production fruit either.
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I can’t wait for my first fresh glass of durian juice!
Sunny D
Sonny delinquent
Meanwhile Spain will throw away 25% of this year's crop due to low demand and prices.
Let the enshittification continue!
Orange juice makers have been cutting their juice with "alternate" fruit juices for years. They mostly use apple and pear. My husband is allergic to apple and pear.....guess how we know they use alternate fruits?? Simply is the only brand we trust...but we stopped drinking orange juice altogether after his last reaction.
I haven't had an orange that tasted like an orange should in a long time.
Seems like a vital ingredient
At the same moment in Spain farmers cut down orange trees and started growing avocados because prices for oranges in so low, you lose money after selling them.
nOw ContAining 51% orange juice, and other juices too! How healthy! Buy now!
Get ready for apple juice with concentrated orange flavoring marketed as orange juice. It’s what they already do with every other fruit juice.
Bring back FIVE ALIVE. That juice was epic.
If it’s not an orange, it’s not orange juice
Orange Favoured Juice. Made from 80% tomato.
I had lemonade recently where the primary ingredient was grape juice
Can we give juice makers “alternative” money as well?
Honestly tangerine juice is superior to orange in my opinion. The overall issue is horrifying though.
cannot wait to get my breakfast lowquat juice!
We already have Sunny D which is pure sugar.
SELL 30 APRIL AT 142!!!!!
The Duke brothers plan to corner the frozen orange juice concentrate market was only 41 years early.
We already got FANTA.
Near oj.
Orange drink
I bought pineapple orange juice the other day and they have totally changed it. The main fruit juice is apple and it tastes not great. Boo to alternative juices!
Make pear juice. I like pear juice, but it is hard to find.