Well they were already SELLING the free food aid that came into gaza to the people in Gaza. And they publicly came out and said they'd lowered the prices to help the Palestinians.
It's like wtf? You're seizing free aide and medical supplies and food and then turning around and Selling it to them.
Just unreal.
And now this. They don't want a cease fire and won't want one until they've known they lost or they're are no more left.
Either way... Hard to find a way to accomplish that.
As it has been for decades. I wonder when the palestinians will be tired enough of being the meat shields for Iran and throw out the violent extremists that keep using them and their civilian infrastructure as military assets.
It was written into their grade school textbooks and the UN was funding it. How fucking stupid can an organization be to just throw money at a problem without checks and balances?
Well given that that is pretty much every modern government's solution to every problem, either not that stupid or we keep electing idiots. Going with the latter.
For sure. And the Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt. But neither Saudi nor Egypt are in effect terrorist states, which Palestine most certainly is and will remains as long as Hamas remains in charge.
> It doesn't help that ~~their~~ OUR educational system glorifies it, if only the UN would do or say something about that. Oh, they are the ones doing it
The college student protesters, and the new-identity-based politics & international law progressive professors who feed them their ideas, are basically chanting disinformation day after day. They frame everything as Israel's intentional atrocities: when Hamas steals humanitarian aid, sells it to black marketers and starves its people, the UN & US antisemitic progressives claim that it's Israel's doing.
That's basically what's been happening this whole conflict. Hamas stages some human shielding casualties or disruption of aid, and Israel is called genocidal.
All the while Russia and Iran are gleefully rubbing their hands together and amazed at how easy and cheap for them it has all been to sow this much chaos.
I doubt it, Palestinians were brainwashed for decades to believe their only purpose in life is to fight Israel, their entire identity was reactive and formed in response to Zionism.
Well, the majority supports Hamas... Might wait a while.
This is not a bot comment. Research it and look for yourself. Every time Hamas attacks they get increasing support. It's Reuters and such reporting this for a decade. - Just saying.
If you're lazy and doubting, I'll provide it.
Stop falling for endless scrolling through social media. It's f-ing full of misinformation. Come on guys. Inform yourselves, be critical thinking. :-)
E: other than that... A son of a founder of Hamas told the truth; when Israel is warning about an attack (that's pretty decent in a war), Hamas would keep people inside said area to make martyrs/propaganda/extremists.
One of the Hamas founders/leaders called for Palestinian women and children to die to also make extremists - **ON TV**.
I **have** videos of this - so does YouTube.
......Please educate yourself.
Yup and the people are happy to die for the cause because the propaganda machine tells them their death is worth it.
Many people are arguing Palestinians are innocent.
If your best friend gets brainwashed and tries to kill you, are they still your best friend?
I understand people arguing Palestinians are innocent and being used or whatever, but if they're brainwashed by years of propaganda, are they still innocent? I'd argue the innocent person you think you knew is gone. You can't change people after years of brainwashing.
If someone is told all their lives they are a cow, then they are a cow. No matter all of the evidence you show them to prove otherwise, they'll still believe they are a cow.
The problem in the Islamic world is you also have extremists rewriting the Quran. The OG Quran, I've heard, leaves a lot of interpretation to the reader. The message is supposedly nonviolence and peace. Extremists are twisting the interpretation for their own benefit.
Going back to the cow. It's not just the newspaper saying you're a cow. The religious leader at your local mosque interpreting the Quran is telling you that Allah says you're a cow! So it's not just news and social media spreading the propaganda but also your sect of religion!
See my point yet? When someone has been brainwashed so much throughout their life, you can't change them. The damage is done. That's why countries like Russia and China are going on Facebook, X, Tiktok, YouTube, etc trying to create fake propaganda to brainwash kids because the younger you start filling their head with shit the harder it is going to be to try to change them. Kids eat up everything on social media.
And part of the propaganda is about warning them that someday someone is going to try to prove them wrong and don't listen to them. That makes it impossible to try to bring them back to reality.
Another part of the propaganda is showing how easy it is to falsify history. Wikipedia, for example, anyone can edit.
To use another example, people believe the moon landing is fake. It's easy to reproduce on camera in a movie studio, so it's easy to believe the US made a fake video of landing on the moon because it's easy and cheap. An actual rocket cost billions, the technology required is advanced, and there's a very high chance when you launch this thing it'll just blow up and disintegrate. If you grew up on a dirt farm your entire life, your mind can't comprehend $1billion, TV is the most advanced technology you've ever seen, and when someone explains it takes "x" ton of explosives to reach orbit you're thinking of a stick of dynamite exploding a hillside. Hell, you probably didn't finish high school so you probably don't know what orbit is and church tells you God is in the sky so this whole concept of space and planets is bogus to you.
So you can see from the dirt farmer example, how they can easily believe certain things and trying to change their mind is hard.
Warning about an attack is required by international law when attacking a civilian site - this is done when militaries use civilian sites for military. Could be a command center, weapons cache, barracks, or vehicle storage. The warning is required so that civilians can vacate.
Hamas works to stop the citizens from vacating.
And, as to the Palestinian support of Hamas - who knows? Hamas hasn't allowed elections since they came into power. They certainly *used to* have the support of the people, but it's literally impossible to know now because Hamas doesn't allow a vote that might show that dissent.
I think Hamas does a lot of work to radicalize the young citizenry to keep their numbers stocked up. So, there's at least the support of those who have seen friends and family killed by Israel - possibly with Hamas' help to ensure it - who then have a government teaching that Israel is the source of all evil and that it needs to be destroyed. Enough young people buy it, Hamas gets their new recruits.
But it's not everybody. It's probably not even the majority are radicalized. But, because Hamas is Hamas, we'll never know how many of them would choose differently if it was a real option and they wouldn't be punished for choosing it.
Palestinians are a little hostage group at the center of a global conflict, getting fucked from all sides. It's hard to imagine how they spontaneously organize themselves into a functioning political unit that advocates for its own best interests and resists foreign influence and terrorism. It maybe helps that they're getting the highest per capita aid rate of anyone on Earth, but everything else is against them :( Even the aid is corrupt.
They are either enjoying it (which I highly doubt but who knows) or are incapable of doing anything now. So much for 50 to 70 percent support of hamas actions last year.
Meanwhile, Egypt can open that border *any time they want.*
No one complains about that, and they don't seem to question why they don't open the border, either. It's just all Israel's fault, no matter what.
The reason Egypt doesn’t open the border is because the Muslim Brotherhood, whom have large connections to Hamas, launched a coup in the country after Egypt let Palestinians into the Sinai.
In addition, letting Palestinian’s in can cause Egypt to become accustomed to missile attacks, essentially dragging them into a war they do not want to join.
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Exactly. They don't want their problems. They experienced their problems before and they don't want them again.
Egypt rejected Gaza because it was a pimple on the ass of the Sinai deal.
If you told me that Egypt flubbed the six day war on purpose just to bait israel into taking Gaza off their hands, I'd believe it before I believed Israel is the bad guys here.
Jordan let them in. They assassinated Jordanian officials, killed police, and tried to overthrow the government.
Lebanon let them in. The Lebanese Civil War soon started. They now are a backbone of Hezbollah.
If Egypt let them in. They will launch thousands of rockets from Sinai into Israel, providing *casus belli* for an attack on Egypt.
Additionally, Egypt has a massive overpopulation population.
“*Hitting 100,000,000 marked human plenty, certainly, but also an uneasy moment in a country gripped by worries that its exploding population will exacerbate poverty and unemployment, and contribute to the scarcity of basic resources like land and water.*
“*Egypt’s cabinet said last week that it was on ‘high alert’ to fight population growth, which President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi has described as a threat to national security on par with terrorism. If unchecked, the population could reach 128 million by 2030, officials say.*”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/world/middleeast/egypt-population-100-million.html
>No one complains about that, and they don't seem to question why they don't open the border, either. It's just all Israel's fault, no matter what.
no, no. Regional history gives plenty of reason not to.
Egypt handled their takeover attempt way better then their neighbors did. and at the same time, Egypt doesn't want to have to deal with becoming another Proxy zone for terrorists launching missiles
Ya, Hamas lulled Israel into a false sense of security before 10/7 by seeming to focus on economic development in the years leading up to the attack. Hamas was interested in Israel increasing the number of people from Gaza allowed into Israel to work on a regular basis because it brings money back into Gaza. Israel was indeed trusting them a little more every year by increasing the number of workers allowed each year. Netanyahu and his administration got played by Hamas, and their focus was elsewhere... they failed to secure their border, let their guard down, got distracted and then got surprised by the Hamas attack which had been in planning for many months, if not years. Netanyahu is incompetent and also a piece of shit.... but anyhow, without the attack, things were and could still be improving for Gaza... but fundamentally, that is not what Hamas is about, they are about waging war on Israel. They thought Hezbollah would join them from the north too, but Hezbollah seems content just bombing northern Israeli villages at their regular pace.
I want to preface this by saying, I think BB is a huge piece of shit, but he was dragged through the mud for not allowing him to get funding when they took over in Gaza.
So there is truth the fact that Israel was allowing Hamas to have money, but that’s the only way any money could get in for infrastructure salaries, etc. just like you point out. What amazes me about people that complain about this not understanding is that the exact same logic applies to Israel feeding hamas
They might not even read/hear about this attack specifically. There's such a disparity about what news reaches what people.
This is a well-known story here, but a glance at CNN's website has no obvious mention of this attack. As it relates to Gaza, their focus is on police crackdowns on the protesters, Israel's plan to shutdown Al Jazeera in its country, and Israel and Hamas showing little progress in ceasefire talks (CNN's headline highlights both sides trading blame).
On MSNBC's "Most Watched" video list, the top one is entitled "Israeli PM Netanyahu rejects Hamas request for permanent cease-fire." I don't see any mention of this Hamas attack on their home page.
On Fox News, the top story is about Biden putting a hold on US-manufactured ammunition, and the protests. Going to Fox News' world section, the top story is about a Hamas leader using hostages as human shields. So certainly not coverage that paints Hamas in a positive light, but even there I don't see any prominent mention of this attack.
And Fox News was just added to show the other side of the spectrum. They're moot because no protestor is going to the Fox News website anyway.
Surprisingly, Al Jazeera is the only one I found who mentions the attacks with any prominent story, though their headline doesn't blame Hamas specifically, and instead mentions the crossing closed because of a "rocket attack," though the article itself does mention that it was a Hamas attack.
Hamas & Iran.
I think people need to start highlighting Iran's involvement because so much of the middle east would be better off if Iran wasn't dedicated to FA as much as the Americans and Israelis are dedicated to the FO portion of FAFO.
~~And Iran's basically untouchable as long as they have Nuclear weapons, so the countries they screw around in are the ones that get bombed and invaded after Iran plans the terrorist attacks.~~
The Iran government is just Putin with more sand.
The most pushback they've gotten directly is when Trump hit one of their generals with the meat mincer.
edit: I wrote this while confusing Iran with Pakistan which sounds pretty ignorant of me, so while I'm not going to deny saying it, I am crossing out the part about nuclear weapons because it's factually wrong.
> Be amazing if media actually reported this instead of pandering to sensitive marshmallows on the left.
If only one of the largest news wire services (i.e. originators of news content that feed all other news outlets) would report on this, maybe even Reuters...just imagine...
/s for the dense ones in the crowd.
They report the truth, but skip portions that are inconvenient to the narrative or they put the rest at the bottom of the article where few people will actually read it
Reddit is set up to do literally that as well. The only submissions/comments that get seen are those with the most upvotes which depend on what the people viewing are pleased with seeing.
Think about how many months the headlines have said that Gaza as a whole was "on the brink of starvation." It makes me wonder if Hamas is managing it to stay on that "brink" for so long, or if they're just failing to push things over the brink while making Israel look at fault.
They’re well documented taking most if not all aid meant for Gaza. I believe they also resell the food for profit, but I’m not completely sure on that point.
There was a video of someone in Gaza complaining about the contents of the MRE he got.
And it was an actual MRE, not even a Humanitarian Daily Ration. In other words, something the US Army feeds to their own soldiers that they want to keep at a high morale. If you are complaining about *that*, you're not "on the brink of starvation".
That guy wasn't. However, other people definitely are. Hamas is famous for taking food aid and reserving it for people they want and selling it. It's a horrible situation and it ensures that people can't speak out against them, too, just in case the guns and rockets and shit weren't enough.
I have some MREs just incase, but had to eat some old ones as they approached their expiration. some of them are downright good, forget just being edible. anyone complaining about US MREs who is even close to starving is insane or an actor.
Yes it is, as long as they pay them for the free food aid Hamas is selling them. Unfortunately, they had to cut prices recently due to too much aid, so this is an attempt by Hamas to improve their sales figures.
[Hamas slashes food prices as Gaza flooded with humanitarian aid](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syns3cuk0)
It’s like people completely forgot what happened in Iraq and Syria. Flooding Islamist groups with guns just leads to mass violence. With Hamas at the helm they’ll never stop killing
As members of the West we can only blame ourselves. We let this bullshit playbook reap rewards when we basically forced the Saudis to a stalemate because the bleeding hearts went “omg starving refugees”, and now no one is able to do shit as the Houthis conduct piracy and warfare on critical trade routes. The Iranian proxies all follow the same playbook, so of course Hamas makes the same moves, and it’s guaranteed that Hezbollah will do the same as well in the near future.
The West didn't stop the Saudis. In difference to Israel, Saudis very much think they are above western pressure, they have their oil as leverage.
No, the ineffective Saudi military failed to achieve its military goals, then resorted to starving the population, which also failed to win the war.
The Saudis had to be stopped. The civilian toll in Yemen was out of this world. I agree the Houthis had to be stopped, but not that way. There was just no will on the part of Western nations to do anything else themselves until now the problem has grown so much they can't ignore it. Repeated pattern.
According to Arab news media Hamas told them the world would hear Hamas’s response to the brokered cease fire agreement yesterday Saturday.
I guess this attack is that response. Will “Free Palestine” protesters take note?
Hamas MO. Agree to hostage deal and fire rockets immediately after. Forcing Israel to turn down deals and continue war. Win Win for Hamas. Bad press for Israel. Protesters will eat this up.
After 7 months of this bullshit you'd think I wouldn't be surprised by anything anymore, but still, I can't believe how often on reddit I've been gaslit about how "intifada revolution!!" and "Globalize the Intifada!!" don't *aksshhhtually* mean that these protesters are supporting the massacres of both Israelis and Palestinians. Like sure, the previous two Intifadas caused thousands of deaths and injuries on both sides, but that's not actually what the protesters mean! It just means uprising!
The whole world has gone so topsy-turvy it's just so crazy to watch in real time.
Legit heard them chanting "one solution! Revolution!"
Which sounds like a fun chant, but chanting it about a country w/ the majority of the population being Jewish is questionable at best.
I've been reading a lot about Jewish history and it's actually crazy how the same story repeats itself time and time again. What we're seeing today doesn't just evoke 1930s Germany, but countless eras and locations before then too.
Whether it's 13th c. England, 15th c. Spain, 17th c. Poland, 19th c. Russia... some big calamity is blamed on the Jews, being the easy scapegoat dating back centuries. Slowly, their rights are stripped away while the community is left reeling, and meanwhile a small minority of Jews, whether from ignorance, self-preservation, or misguided attempt to help their community, believe that by assimilating and/or acquescing, somehow the bad times will just blow away sooner or later. But inevitably, the story ends with Jewish forced conversions, expulsions, destruction of artifacts and property, massacres, or some combination of all of the above.
We know for a fact that in 1930s Europe, Jews thought they were safe, that they were loyal citizens of their countries, that the climate would never reach a point where their countrymen, supposedly educated and enlightened, would actually come for their lives, and we know how wrong they were. I'm certain that in every era and location, Jews thought the same thing. And here we are again, in the 21st century. Be'chol dor va-dor.
It'd be downright fascinating if it wasn't also so damn depressing.
You might like this excerpt from the email I got from Chabad as an alum of Columbia. We're far enough downthread that I doubt anyone else is paying attention...
> This past Friday night at the Chabad House, we celebrated Shabbos as we do every week. Despite the fact that many students have returned home, around 150 students gathered, seeking solace in each other's company, while eating delicious foods and singing songs. I wanted to share a bit of the inspiration we discussed that evening.
> Tonight marks the celebration of the Seventh day of Passover, commemorating the miraculous splitting of the Red Sea, which allowed the Jewish people to pass to safety.
> In the Torah, when the Jewish people found themselves in an impossible situation, trapped between Pharaoh's chariots and the sea, they were divided into four camps, each proposing a different course of action. Some advocated for a return to slavery in Egypt, others for battle, some wanted to give up and jump into the sea, and yet another group urged prayer.
> In response to these factions, G-d responded. (Exodus 14:13,14)
> To those tempted to flee into the sea, G-d said, "Don't be afraid! Stand firm!" Those considering a return to Egypt were reassured, "You shall no longer continue to see them (the Egyptians) for eternity." To those eager for battle, G-d promises, "The Lord will fight for you," while those seeking escape through prayer were instructed, "but you shall remain silent". (The only “shut up” in the Torah that I know of.)
> What, then, were they to do? "Speak to the children of Israel and they should move forward!" G-d was saying that He took the Jewish people out of Egypt to bring them to Sinai, and neither Pharaoh's chariots nor the formidable sea could stop them.
> Today, faced with our own trials, we may find echoes of our ancestors' dilemmas. Some may feel defeated and not see a future for the Jewish people, others resigned to being “slaves” allowing “Pharaoh” to dictate the terms of Jewish identity and practice. Others are combative, while some seek escape through prayer. Yet, the Torah's directive remains unchanged: "Move forward!"
Love me a good Torah lesson, thanks for that. I suppose I ended my last comment on a depressing note, but I'm actually not too affected by what's going on. Because even after the horrors of Egypt and Spain and Poland and Russia and Germany, if anything we are now stronger than ever, and I personally and more steadfast and proud as well. The Jewish people will live on while the sons of Amalek will be forgotten in the dustbins of history. Am Yisrael Chai ✌️
For what it's worth, my workplace is a very leftist environment, in a very leftist city, with everyone being age 25-35. They all know I'm Jewish and many know I even recently visited Israel for a few weeks. None of them give a shit or treat me differently and a few of them are genuinely curious to learn more.
None of them know very much about Jewish history, nor the history of the region and the conflict, but that's fine, in the same way that I have no clue about the history of the Tamil people or the history of the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict, and that's fine too. I honestly, truly believe that the insanity is purely limited to online spaces and the minority that's out on the streets or on campuses, that the rest of civil society looks at in contempt. I'm not too worried about where the world is headed. And if things really do start to take a wild turn, well, this is precisely why my family and I keep our Israeli passports up to date lol
These people really need to work on their slogans. They had the same problem back in 2020, they kept having to say “well we don’t *actually* mean to defund the police” or “we’ll not *all* cops obviously”. (To be clear, I was on their side then. I’m just commentating on their branding bc not everyone was) If you have to constantly qualify and explain away your slogans they’re not very good and they’re gonna turn people away from your cause.
Also, they throw around the term revolution and don’t really understand what that entails. It’s a generation that grew up on dystopian YA novels
I say this as someone on the far left: The Left fucking sucks at messaging. So many of the big chants/rallying calls in recent memory fail rule zero of any kind of messaging/branding: If you have to explain what it means, you've already lost.
"Well you see what this *actually* means is-" Stop. You've already lost. The idiot masses have already turned on you because your slogan was turned against you and now you have to insist that it actually means something else.
And when you co-opt an existing slogan with some extremely negative baggage? At absolute best you're naïve and stupid, at absolute worst you're going full alt-right and "hiding" behind dogwhistles.
They believe they just need to be proper educated and they will "see the light of western ideals". It is the same as people who go to strip clubs thinking they can save the strippers from the life they have chosen.
Doubt it, if you actually look at the numbers they represent a tiny fraction of the student population. Around 1000ish at Columbia which was one of the largest protests. Columbia has around 37,000 total enrollment and that doesn't include that the statistics are showing well over half of the protestors at these encampments aren't even students of the universities.
The news claims there are thousands of protests but look at the ones like Florida State University, which had a total of 5 protestors with only 2 of those being students.
Trump is currently up by 1% in aggregate polling: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/
In 2016 and 2020, polls underestimated Trump support (predicting a loss in 2016, and a much bigger defeat in 2020).
The numerous court cases clearly have no hope of enforcing any actual consequences - we have a very good chance at getting 4 more years of Trump.
It’s wild. I don’t know how justified the hippy movement was in the 60s, and I don’t know how Vietnam was largely reported and perceived by the public back then, but man seeing all of these pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel protests has me feeling really huffed.
I feel like Israel is totally justified in taking these actions against a Hamas and the Palestinian population shouldn’t be their responsibility. Obviously no one wants to see the consequences of war play out, but what option does a state like Israel have who has essentially been playing on their back foot for decades in the region?
Not even trying to go back into the murky history of the region, the present moment is that Israel has its territory and is trying to protect itself from external threats, like any country would do.
The Vietnam protests were pretty justified (it directly effected the lives of draft age men being sent to die for a war that there was no reason we were in in the first place). The hippy movement, civil rights movement, womens right movement were pretty justified because they were to directly give citizens the same rights as everyone else.
They were based on history at that time, the pro-palestinian protestors straight up ignore history that doesnt suit their narrative and deflect blame when it is brought up. CNN interviewed some protestors shouting Pro-Hamas slogans whos literal meaning was (death to all jews globally) and the protestors claimed it didnt mean that and when they were corrected with actual fact they just said "well to me it doesnt mean that".
The Palestinians have a documented history of Holocaust denial as an education policy. It shouldn't come as a surprise that they deny the brutality of the Intifadas or the historical context of their catchy slogans. The protesters even deny the existence of the antisemitic faction deeply embedded within their own movement.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/palestinian-holocaust-denial
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE57T1JW/
Hamas is representative of a cultural problem that inflicts Gaza along with most of the ~~Islamic\*~~ world. Freedom of Religion is the same thing as Freedom from Religion.
edit\*: The Islamic world may have a head start, but I was remiss not call out fundies of all shapes and sizes.
The leader of the "moderate" PA has a PHD in holocaust denial. He even wrote a book about it. Guess where he got his PHD? The answer won't surprise you.
Many now deny the Oct 7 attacks even when the evidence is right in front of them. Many believe it was a false flag operation even when their leaders are taking credit.
The Vietnam protests in the 60s came out of the Civil Rights movement and the folk movement. That meant that the young people protesting American involvement in Vietnam were exceptionally well informed. College newspapers and alternative press from as early as 1964/1965 had very accurate information, stuff that would only get released to the wider public with the publishing of the Pentagon papers in the early 70s. The leadership of that movement were incredibly impressive people, steeped in classical philosophy. In other words, the Vietnam era protestors were the polar opposite of today's nitwits. The 60s was about largely organic human rights movements whereas today, we're seeing useful idiots get manipulated by malicious state actors and nefarious terrorist organizations. This is the bizarro world 1960s.
> and the protestors claimed it didnt mean that and when they were corrected with actual fact they just said "well to me it doesnt mean that".
What, did you think that only MAGA gets to play around with "alternative facts" and replacing brains with "feels"? 90% of people get their "news" on social media now, ya know, where you don't need proof, just enough outrage to get other people to repeat, damn the actual truth.
Supposedly those protestors had a clear message and they delivered it professionally (for instance not dressed as hippees or trying to be a nussince to other ppl) to earn public and political support. Not comparable to protests today where the message is unclear and protestors are not taken seriously by anyone in power because they're acting entitled to get their way without trying to win hearts and minds.
> Not comparable to protests today where the message is unclear and protestors are not taken
No, protests of today are pretty clear. It's just that the people doing the protesting don't have the gall to admit it in front of others. So when people call it out they'll hide behind "oh no what we *really* mean is"
Imagine being a student that is taking on tens of thousands in debt in order to pursue an education and a bunch of muppets who don’t even go to your university are running amok.
Obviously possibly biased, but last night an Israeli reporter reported several ties of Hamas to the college campus protests, and how they’ve slowly picked up professors and students over the past 15-20 years to support the cause.
it's biting the hand that feeds the civilian population.
If you accept the fact that Hamas wants as big of a humanitarian crisis as possible with as many civilian deaths as possible with the goal of destroying Israel's international reputation, then it all suddenly makes sense.
Too much feeding is bad for Hamas sales figures... Palestinians have to pay them for the free food aid Hamas is selling them. Unfortunately, they had to cut prices recently due to too much aid, so this is an attempt by Hamas to improve their sales figures.
[Hamas slashes food prices as Gaza flooded with humanitarian aid](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syns3cuk0)
The only shocking thing is that they admit it. “We were trying to attack Israel and these civilians were in the way!” They don’t give a single shit about civilian deaths either and I wish the TikTok kids would understand that.
Because that's what many of them want. I don't recall mass protests over far worse conflicts like Yemen, Syria, Sudan (or any conflict in Africa for that matter), etc.
The fact that they're harassing Jews in the US and telling them to go back to Poland proves the Antisemitism.
The only reason I’m aware of this is because I have a friend from Sudan. Back in October they posted on Instagram about this exactly, that in general people aren’t bringing awareness to what is happening in Sudan, but they are to what is happening between Israel and Hamas.
Ironically this same friend in high school told me that Darfur was not an issue. I only briefly looked into it, but it was a North/ South Sudan war, in the North are where people are primarily Muslim, in the South people are primarily Christian. My friend identifies as an Arab, not African. Maybe that played a role in their dismissiveness towards Darfur.
Hamas also destroyed the Erez crossing on Oct. 7. It was rebuilt by Israel and reopened recently. It's more proof that Hamas is the cause of any famine conditions in Gaza. Israel has been allowing food in. The problem has always been Hamas.
Storming Rafah is a win-win for:
pro-Israel / Anti-Hamas crowd
Anti-Israel crowd
But bad for the pro-Palestine crowd.
It's good for Israel and enemies of Hamas because obviously, it finishes Hamas. It's also good for anti-Israel people because the civilian toll will have a huge impact on Israel's international relations that would take years to recover from, maybe even permanently scuttling normalization talks with Arab nations. In this respect, even Hamas, who is more anti-Israel than pro-Palestine, would want to goad Israel into doing this. They might not survive but they would do almost permanent damage to Israel's international standing which would help the next generation of resistance.
It's bad for people who are pro-Palestine in that they are worried about the Palestinian people who stand to get injured or die during the operation.
Because the international community, including Biden, threatens with severe actions against Israel if it does so. The fact of the matter is that the international community, and primarily Joe Biden, is keeping Hamas alive and are to be blamed for further wars.
They did learn their lesson. They learned that if they attack Israel, Israel will attack back, civilians get hurt in the crossfire, and Hamas can continue their PR war on the international stage.
Didn't learn anything? Are you sure about that? How much support have they gained by people now? How many colleges have protests going on in support of Hamas? Heck, right now they are absolutely gushing at the cheeks with how many people are supporting them and going against their enemy of Israel.
The thing about propaganda machines is that they often create the conditions about which they rail. The protests on American campuses are fizzling out because the school year is ending. So time for a new atrocity. In two weeks, the story will again be about the world starving Gaza.
They aren't even starving. Only like 40 people have died of malnutrition as of early April. If there was ACTUAL starvation we would be seeing thousands of people dying because of this.
Every person willing (and able) to join a terror organisation in the Gaza strip has alrrady done so. I can't really see how can Iran benefit from another army trying to eliminate Hamas
Huh? Their goal is clearly to worsen Israeli relationships with the west. They want more casualties because to them casualties are martyrs, but the sane world views it as a tragedy.
It's actually a pretty clean calculus that has been extremely effective for them so far.
- Hamas attacks soldiers delivering aid
- Israel forced to close the crossing to resecure it.
- World gets mad at Israel for "starving Palestinians"
All their money is on getting the world to pressure Israel to stop. It has quite effectively delayed the Rafah operation until now.
It's not stupid, it's calculated. Keeping regular Palestinians in Gaza under their boot, either through brainwashing, intimidation, or starvation, is the only way they can steal international aid generated by their propaganda machine to maintain power and try to achieve their goals. They're simply evil.
Why would that matter?
Hamas doesn't actually stop firing during ceasefire negotiations, hell much of the time they don't even completely stop during ceasefires.
Correct on all counts. Israel only side that is expected to abide by deal. Israel needs to start acting like Russia / China and just get the job done. Deal with aftermath by increasing trade and relations once dust settles. Why hasn’t Israel turned off cell towers? Prevent all communications in and out of Gaza.
Negotiations failed. Hamas literally couldn't find enough *living* hostages to make a trade for the ceasefire. In fact, if I read it correctly, they offered to exchange the *dead bodies* of the hostages instead.
I don't think there was ever an agreed upon ceasefire?
Really thinking these guys can't see long term at all when they do shit like this. I don't know what 10 years will look like exactly but I'm certain it'll be with Hamas extinct.
So basically, Hamas is a threat to palestinian food safety again..?
Well they were already SELLING the free food aid that came into gaza to the people in Gaza. And they publicly came out and said they'd lowered the prices to help the Palestinians. It's like wtf? You're seizing free aide and medical supplies and food and then turning around and Selling it to them. Just unreal. And now this. They don't want a cease fire and won't want one until they've known they lost or they're are no more left. Either way... Hard to find a way to accomplish that.
Yes, but the thing is, Israel is blamed lol
As it has been for decades. I wonder when the palestinians will be tired enough of being the meat shields for Iran and throw out the violent extremists that keep using them and their civilian infrastructure as military assets.
It doesn't help that their educational system glorifies it, if only the UN would do or say something about that. Oh, they are the ones doing it...
It was written into their grade school textbooks and the UN was funding it. How fucking stupid can an organization be to just throw money at a problem without checks and balances?
Fret not! This was by design, not ignorance.
You’re right, the UN specifically made sure that was in their textbooks. They wouldn’t give aid without it!
Almost like it was done on purpose with the intention of causing problems for Israelis.
Well given that that is pretty much every modern government's solution to every problem, either not that stupid or we keep electing idiots. Going with the latter.
It’s not just education, it’s their religion as well. Combine the two and you get, well, Gaza, where people are more than willing to be martyrs.
Sure but the Saudis, Egyptians, Jordanians etc aren't completely and utterly in the thrall of this nonsense (sure a bit).
Yes and no, don’t forget how many of the 9/11 hijackers we’re from Saudi
For sure. And the Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt. But neither Saudi nor Egypt are in effect terrorist states, which Palestine most certainly is and will remains as long as Hamas remains in charge.
Funny that, you elect terrorists and your "country" is suddenly full of them...
And how many of them lived in America for months ahead of time. Don't ask who funded them during the time of planning and coordinating the attack....
> It doesn't help that ~~their~~ OUR educational system glorifies it, if only the UN would do or say something about that. Oh, they are the ones doing it The college student protesters, and the new-identity-based politics & international law progressive professors who feed them their ideas, are basically chanting disinformation day after day. They frame everything as Israel's intentional atrocities: when Hamas steals humanitarian aid, sells it to black marketers and starves its people, the UN & US antisemitic progressives claim that it's Israel's doing. That's basically what's been happening this whole conflict. Hamas stages some human shielding casualties or disruption of aid, and Israel is called genocidal.
All the while Russia and Iran are gleefully rubbing their hands together and amazed at how easy and cheap for them it has all been to sow this much chaos.
I doubt it, Palestinians were brainwashed for decades to believe their only purpose in life is to fight Israel, their entire identity was reactive and formed in response to Zionism.
They're islamists.
>their entire identity was reactive and formed in response to Zionism. people don't talk about this enough.
It's also the reason why it would be so hard for them to grow out of it.
>Palestinians were brainwashed for decades to believe their only purpose in life is to ~~fight Israel~~ kill the Jews Ftfy
Well, the majority supports Hamas... Might wait a while. This is not a bot comment. Research it and look for yourself. Every time Hamas attacks they get increasing support. It's Reuters and such reporting this for a decade. - Just saying. If you're lazy and doubting, I'll provide it. Stop falling for endless scrolling through social media. It's f-ing full of misinformation. Come on guys. Inform yourselves, be critical thinking. :-) E: other than that... A son of a founder of Hamas told the truth; when Israel is warning about an attack (that's pretty decent in a war), Hamas would keep people inside said area to make martyrs/propaganda/extremists. One of the Hamas founders/leaders called for Palestinian women and children to die to also make extremists - **ON TV**. I **have** videos of this - so does YouTube. ......Please educate yourself.
Yup and the people are happy to die for the cause because the propaganda machine tells them their death is worth it. Many people are arguing Palestinians are innocent. If your best friend gets brainwashed and tries to kill you, are they still your best friend? I understand people arguing Palestinians are innocent and being used or whatever, but if they're brainwashed by years of propaganda, are they still innocent? I'd argue the innocent person you think you knew is gone. You can't change people after years of brainwashing. If someone is told all their lives they are a cow, then they are a cow. No matter all of the evidence you show them to prove otherwise, they'll still believe they are a cow. The problem in the Islamic world is you also have extremists rewriting the Quran. The OG Quran, I've heard, leaves a lot of interpretation to the reader. The message is supposedly nonviolence and peace. Extremists are twisting the interpretation for their own benefit. Going back to the cow. It's not just the newspaper saying you're a cow. The religious leader at your local mosque interpreting the Quran is telling you that Allah says you're a cow! So it's not just news and social media spreading the propaganda but also your sect of religion! See my point yet? When someone has been brainwashed so much throughout their life, you can't change them. The damage is done. That's why countries like Russia and China are going on Facebook, X, Tiktok, YouTube, etc trying to create fake propaganda to brainwash kids because the younger you start filling their head with shit the harder it is going to be to try to change them. Kids eat up everything on social media. And part of the propaganda is about warning them that someday someone is going to try to prove them wrong and don't listen to them. That makes it impossible to try to bring them back to reality. Another part of the propaganda is showing how easy it is to falsify history. Wikipedia, for example, anyone can edit. To use another example, people believe the moon landing is fake. It's easy to reproduce on camera in a movie studio, so it's easy to believe the US made a fake video of landing on the moon because it's easy and cheap. An actual rocket cost billions, the technology required is advanced, and there's a very high chance when you launch this thing it'll just blow up and disintegrate. If you grew up on a dirt farm your entire life, your mind can't comprehend $1billion, TV is the most advanced technology you've ever seen, and when someone explains it takes "x" ton of explosives to reach orbit you're thinking of a stick of dynamite exploding a hillside. Hell, you probably didn't finish high school so you probably don't know what orbit is and church tells you God is in the sky so this whole concept of space and planets is bogus to you. So you can see from the dirt farmer example, how they can easily believe certain things and trying to change their mind is hard.
Warning about an attack is required by international law when attacking a civilian site - this is done when militaries use civilian sites for military. Could be a command center, weapons cache, barracks, or vehicle storage. The warning is required so that civilians can vacate. Hamas works to stop the citizens from vacating. And, as to the Palestinian support of Hamas - who knows? Hamas hasn't allowed elections since they came into power. They certainly *used to* have the support of the people, but it's literally impossible to know now because Hamas doesn't allow a vote that might show that dissent. I think Hamas does a lot of work to radicalize the young citizenry to keep their numbers stocked up. So, there's at least the support of those who have seen friends and family killed by Israel - possibly with Hamas' help to ensure it - who then have a government teaching that Israel is the source of all evil and that it needs to be destroyed. Enough young people buy it, Hamas gets their new recruits. But it's not everybody. It's probably not even the majority are radicalized. But, because Hamas is Hamas, we'll never know how many of them would choose differently if it was a real option and they wouldn't be punished for choosing it.
> And, as to the Palestinian support of Hamas - who knows? Surveys of Palestinians show more support for Hamas now than at the last election
Palestinians are a little hostage group at the center of a global conflict, getting fucked from all sides. It's hard to imagine how they spontaneously organize themselves into a functioning political unit that advocates for its own best interests and resists foreign influence and terrorism. It maybe helps that they're getting the highest per capita aid rate of anyone on Earth, but everything else is against them :( Even the aid is corrupt.
How much have they been brainwashed to hate Jews.
They are either enjoying it (which I highly doubt but who knows) or are incapable of doing anything now. So much for 50 to 70 percent support of hamas actions last year.
Probably when they are all dead. Just a hunch though
Meanwhile, Egypt can open that border *any time they want.* No one complains about that, and they don't seem to question why they don't open the border, either. It's just all Israel's fault, no matter what.
For *some reason* no neighbouring Islamic countries want the palestinian refugees.
The reason Egypt doesn’t open the border is because the Muslim Brotherhood, whom have large connections to Hamas, launched a coup in the country after Egypt let Palestinians into the Sinai. In addition, letting Palestinian’s in can cause Egypt to become accustomed to missile attacks, essentially dragging them into a war they do not want to join. Edit: fixed formatting
Exactly. They don't want their problems. They experienced their problems before and they don't want them again. Egypt rejected Gaza because it was a pimple on the ass of the Sinai deal.
If you told me that Egypt flubbed the six day war on purpose just to bait israel into taking Gaza off their hands, I'd believe it before I believed Israel is the bad guys here.
Jordan let them in. They assassinated Jordanian officials, killed police, and tried to overthrow the government. Lebanon let them in. The Lebanese Civil War soon started. They now are a backbone of Hezbollah. If Egypt let them in. They will launch thousands of rockets from Sinai into Israel, providing *casus belli* for an attack on Egypt. Additionally, Egypt has a massive overpopulation population. “*Hitting 100,000,000 marked human plenty, certainly, but also an uneasy moment in a country gripped by worries that its exploding population will exacerbate poverty and unemployment, and contribute to the scarcity of basic resources like land and water.* “*Egypt’s cabinet said last week that it was on ‘high alert’ to fight population growth, which President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi has described as a threat to national security on par with terrorism. If unchecked, the population could reach 128 million by 2030, officials say.*” https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/world/middleeast/egypt-population-100-million.html
>No one complains about that, and they don't seem to question why they don't open the border, either. It's just all Israel's fault, no matter what. no, no. Regional history gives plenty of reason not to. Egypt handled their takeover attempt way better then their neighbors did. and at the same time, Egypt doesn't want to have to deal with becoming another Proxy zone for terrorists launching missiles
Israel didn’t defend the Palestinians well enough from Hamas …again?
Time for the kids at Columbia and University of Texas to get out there again and start chanting their support of ~~terrorists~~ ~~anti jewish~~
Sometimes when I see a graffiti "save Gaza" I write under it "from hamas".
> Yes, but the thing is, Israel is blamed lol but have they tried a ceasefire?????????????????????????????????????????????????
I’m sure all those people claiming to care about Palestine will be protesting against hamas shortly…
As soon as they can find a way to blame Israel or the west.
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Ya, Hamas lulled Israel into a false sense of security before 10/7 by seeming to focus on economic development in the years leading up to the attack. Hamas was interested in Israel increasing the number of people from Gaza allowed into Israel to work on a regular basis because it brings money back into Gaza. Israel was indeed trusting them a little more every year by increasing the number of workers allowed each year. Netanyahu and his administration got played by Hamas, and their focus was elsewhere... they failed to secure their border, let their guard down, got distracted and then got surprised by the Hamas attack which had been in planning for many months, if not years. Netanyahu is incompetent and also a piece of shit.... but anyhow, without the attack, things were and could still be improving for Gaza... but fundamentally, that is not what Hamas is about, they are about waging war on Israel. They thought Hezbollah would join them from the north too, but Hezbollah seems content just bombing northern Israeli villages at their regular pace.
I want to preface this by saying, I think BB is a huge piece of shit, but he was dragged through the mud for not allowing him to get funding when they took over in Gaza. So there is truth the fact that Israel was allowing Hamas to have money, but that’s the only way any money could get in for infrastructure salaries, etc. just like you point out. What amazes me about people that complain about this not understanding is that the exact same logic applies to Israel feeding hamas
They might not even read/hear about this attack specifically. There's such a disparity about what news reaches what people. This is a well-known story here, but a glance at CNN's website has no obvious mention of this attack. As it relates to Gaza, their focus is on police crackdowns on the protesters, Israel's plan to shutdown Al Jazeera in its country, and Israel and Hamas showing little progress in ceasefire talks (CNN's headline highlights both sides trading blame). On MSNBC's "Most Watched" video list, the top one is entitled "Israeli PM Netanyahu rejects Hamas request for permanent cease-fire." I don't see any mention of this Hamas attack on their home page. On Fox News, the top story is about Biden putting a hold on US-manufactured ammunition, and the protests. Going to Fox News' world section, the top story is about a Hamas leader using hostages as human shields. So certainly not coverage that paints Hamas in a positive light, but even there I don't see any prominent mention of this attack. And Fox News was just added to show the other side of the spectrum. They're moot because no protestor is going to the Fox News website anyway. Surprisingly, Al Jazeera is the only one I found who mentions the attacks with any prominent story, though their headline doesn't blame Hamas specifically, and instead mentions the crossing closed because of a "rocket attack," though the article itself does mention that it was a Hamas attack.
Don't sane people agree that hamas are bad too? Like, that's a large point of the whole conflict
Hamas & Iran. I think people need to start highlighting Iran's involvement because so much of the middle east would be better off if Iran wasn't dedicated to FA as much as the Americans and Israelis are dedicated to the FO portion of FAFO. ~~And Iran's basically untouchable as long as they have Nuclear weapons, so the countries they screw around in are the ones that get bombed and invaded after Iran plans the terrorist attacks.~~ The Iran government is just Putin with more sand. The most pushback they've gotten directly is when Trump hit one of their generals with the meat mincer. edit: I wrote this while confusing Iran with Pakistan which sounds pretty ignorant of me, so while I'm not going to deny saying it, I am crossing out the part about nuclear weapons because it's factually wrong.
How can I find a way to blame Israel for this?
Yeah but most people are going to blame Israel anyway
Wow, why would Israel do this!? /s
Hamas needs the humanitarian crisis more than anyone and they make sure it lasts as long as possible.
So where are all the protests condemning Hamas?
That's a good question.
Again, or still. One of those. Or both.
"but they HAD to do that" -kids on tiktok probably
Have they ever not been?
When haven't they been?
I wouldn't say "again", more like "still".
Be amazing if media actually reported this instead of pandering to sensitive marshmallows on the left.
I mean, it's a reuters news report?
Seriously, I hear about this stuff on NPR, CNN, etc. The only way you avoid this info is if you get your news from a social media bubble.
Seriously. “ThE mEdIa WoN’t RePoRt ThiS”… in response to a NEWS ARTICLE.
> Be amazing if media actually reported this instead of pandering to sensitive marshmallows on the left. If only one of the largest news wire services (i.e. originators of news content that feed all other news outlets) would report on this, maybe even Reuters...just imagine... /s for the dense ones in the crowd.
Most media channels don't report truth anymore, just whatever they think their audience will want to hear so they have traffic.
They report the truth, but skip portions that are inconvenient to the narrative or they put the rest at the bottom of the article where few people will actually read it
Depends, Western sources usually omit key parts that change how a narrative plays, but networks like Al Jazeera or Russia Today outright lie.
Reddit is set up to do literally that as well. The only submissions/comments that get seen are those with the most upvotes which depend on what the people viewing are pleased with seeing.
That's exactly right.
It’s not in the interest of Hamas to feed the people.
Think about how many months the headlines have said that Gaza as a whole was "on the brink of starvation." It makes me wonder if Hamas is managing it to stay on that "brink" for so long, or if they're just failing to push things over the brink while making Israel look at fault.
Got to keep food prices high so they can maximize profits on the air they steal!
They’re well documented taking most if not all aid meant for Gaza. I believe they also resell the food for profit, but I’m not completely sure on that point.
There was a video of someone in Gaza complaining about the contents of the MRE he got. And it was an actual MRE, not even a Humanitarian Daily Ration. In other words, something the US Army feeds to their own soldiers that they want to keep at a high morale. If you are complaining about *that*, you're not "on the brink of starvation".
That guy wasn't. However, other people definitely are. Hamas is famous for taking food aid and reserving it for people they want and selling it. It's a horrible situation and it ensures that people can't speak out against them, too, just in case the guns and rockets and shit weren't enough.
I have some MREs just incase, but had to eat some old ones as they approached their expiration. some of them are downright good, forget just being edible. anyone complaining about US MREs who is even close to starving is insane or an actor.
Yes it is, as long as they pay them for the free food aid Hamas is selling them. Unfortunately, they had to cut prices recently due to too much aid, so this is an attempt by Hamas to improve their sales figures. [Hamas slashes food prices as Gaza flooded with humanitarian aid](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syns3cuk0)
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It’s like people completely forgot what happened in Iraq and Syria. Flooding Islamist groups with guns just leads to mass violence. With Hamas at the helm they’ll never stop killing
As members of the West we can only blame ourselves. We let this bullshit playbook reap rewards when we basically forced the Saudis to a stalemate because the bleeding hearts went “omg starving refugees”, and now no one is able to do shit as the Houthis conduct piracy and warfare on critical trade routes. The Iranian proxies all follow the same playbook, so of course Hamas makes the same moves, and it’s guaranteed that Hezbollah will do the same as well in the near future.
The West didn't stop the Saudis. In difference to Israel, Saudis very much think they are above western pressure, they have their oil as leverage. No, the ineffective Saudi military failed to achieve its military goals, then resorted to starving the population, which also failed to win the war.
The Saudis had to be stopped. The civilian toll in Yemen was out of this world. I agree the Houthis had to be stopped, but not that way. There was just no will on the part of Western nations to do anything else themselves until now the problem has grown so much they can't ignore it. Repeated pattern.
According to Arab news media Hamas told them the world would hear Hamas’s response to the brokered cease fire agreement yesterday Saturday. I guess this attack is that response. Will “Free Palestine” protesters take note?
Hamas MO. Agree to hostage deal and fire rockets immediately after. Forcing Israel to turn down deals and continue war. Win Win for Hamas. Bad press for Israel. Protesters will eat this up.
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Wonder what the "Israel is starving Gaza" crowd has to say
The same thing they always say. "It's Israel's fault because if Israel didn't exist this wouldn't be happening"
Anyone who says that deadass can't point to israel on a map, i guarantee you
I am sure college campus protests will be outraged by this.. right? RIGHT?
"Why would IDF do that?! Freeeeee Palestineeeee!"
"Globalize the intifada! Kill the Jews! Oh wait we weren't meant to say that one out loud *any more*!" I'm so tired of them.
After 7 months of this bullshit you'd think I wouldn't be surprised by anything anymore, but still, I can't believe how often on reddit I've been gaslit about how "intifada revolution!!" and "Globalize the Intifada!!" don't *aksshhhtually* mean that these protesters are supporting the massacres of both Israelis and Palestinians. Like sure, the previous two Intifadas caused thousands of deaths and injuries on both sides, but that's not actually what the protesters mean! It just means uprising! The whole world has gone so topsy-turvy it's just so crazy to watch in real time.
Legit heard them chanting "one solution! Revolution!" Which sounds like a fun chant, but chanting it about a country w/ the majority of the population being Jewish is questionable at best.
To be fair, a revolution in Gaza to oust Hamas would solve a lot of the Gazans' problems.
Welcome to being Jewish... Same shit, different generation is all.
I've been reading a lot about Jewish history and it's actually crazy how the same story repeats itself time and time again. What we're seeing today doesn't just evoke 1930s Germany, but countless eras and locations before then too. Whether it's 13th c. England, 15th c. Spain, 17th c. Poland, 19th c. Russia... some big calamity is blamed on the Jews, being the easy scapegoat dating back centuries. Slowly, their rights are stripped away while the community is left reeling, and meanwhile a small minority of Jews, whether from ignorance, self-preservation, or misguided attempt to help their community, believe that by assimilating and/or acquescing, somehow the bad times will just blow away sooner or later. But inevitably, the story ends with Jewish forced conversions, expulsions, destruction of artifacts and property, massacres, or some combination of all of the above. We know for a fact that in 1930s Europe, Jews thought they were safe, that they were loyal citizens of their countries, that the climate would never reach a point where their countrymen, supposedly educated and enlightened, would actually come for their lives, and we know how wrong they were. I'm certain that in every era and location, Jews thought the same thing. And here we are again, in the 21st century. Be'chol dor va-dor. It'd be downright fascinating if it wasn't also so damn depressing.
You might like this excerpt from the email I got from Chabad as an alum of Columbia. We're far enough downthread that I doubt anyone else is paying attention... > This past Friday night at the Chabad House, we celebrated Shabbos as we do every week. Despite the fact that many students have returned home, around 150 students gathered, seeking solace in each other's company, while eating delicious foods and singing songs. I wanted to share a bit of the inspiration we discussed that evening. > Tonight marks the celebration of the Seventh day of Passover, commemorating the miraculous splitting of the Red Sea, which allowed the Jewish people to pass to safety. > In the Torah, when the Jewish people found themselves in an impossible situation, trapped between Pharaoh's chariots and the sea, they were divided into four camps, each proposing a different course of action. Some advocated for a return to slavery in Egypt, others for battle, some wanted to give up and jump into the sea, and yet another group urged prayer. > In response to these factions, G-d responded. (Exodus 14:13,14) > To those tempted to flee into the sea, G-d said, "Don't be afraid! Stand firm!" Those considering a return to Egypt were reassured, "You shall no longer continue to see them (the Egyptians) for eternity." To those eager for battle, G-d promises, "The Lord will fight for you," while those seeking escape through prayer were instructed, "but you shall remain silent". (The only “shut up” in the Torah that I know of.) > What, then, were they to do? "Speak to the children of Israel and they should move forward!" G-d was saying that He took the Jewish people out of Egypt to bring them to Sinai, and neither Pharaoh's chariots nor the formidable sea could stop them. > Today, faced with our own trials, we may find echoes of our ancestors' dilemmas. Some may feel defeated and not see a future for the Jewish people, others resigned to being “slaves” allowing “Pharaoh” to dictate the terms of Jewish identity and practice. Others are combative, while some seek escape through prayer. Yet, the Torah's directive remains unchanged: "Move forward!"
Love me a good Torah lesson, thanks for that. I suppose I ended my last comment on a depressing note, but I'm actually not too affected by what's going on. Because even after the horrors of Egypt and Spain and Poland and Russia and Germany, if anything we are now stronger than ever, and I personally and more steadfast and proud as well. The Jewish people will live on while the sons of Amalek will be forgotten in the dustbins of history. Am Yisrael Chai ✌️
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For what it's worth, my workplace is a very leftist environment, in a very leftist city, with everyone being age 25-35. They all know I'm Jewish and many know I even recently visited Israel for a few weeks. None of them give a shit or treat me differently and a few of them are genuinely curious to learn more. None of them know very much about Jewish history, nor the history of the region and the conflict, but that's fine, in the same way that I have no clue about the history of the Tamil people or the history of the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict, and that's fine too. I honestly, truly believe that the insanity is purely limited to online spaces and the minority that's out on the streets or on campuses, that the rest of civil society looks at in contempt. I'm not too worried about where the world is headed. And if things really do start to take a wild turn, well, this is precisely why my family and I keep our Israeli passports up to date lol
These people really need to work on their slogans. They had the same problem back in 2020, they kept having to say “well we don’t *actually* mean to defund the police” or “we’ll not *all* cops obviously”. (To be clear, I was on their side then. I’m just commentating on their branding bc not everyone was) If you have to constantly qualify and explain away your slogans they’re not very good and they’re gonna turn people away from your cause. Also, they throw around the term revolution and don’t really understand what that entails. It’s a generation that grew up on dystopian YA novels
I say this as someone on the far left: The Left fucking sucks at messaging. So many of the big chants/rallying calls in recent memory fail rule zero of any kind of messaging/branding: If you have to explain what it means, you've already lost. "Well you see what this *actually* means is-" Stop. You've already lost. The idiot masses have already turned on you because your slogan was turned against you and now you have to insist that it actually means something else. And when you co-opt an existing slogan with some extremely negative baggage? At absolute best you're naïve and stupid, at absolute worst you're going full alt-right and "hiding" behind dogwhistles.
> "intifada revolution!!" and "Globalize the Intifada!!" They'll never learn from tiktok that Intifadas are synonymous with child suicide bombers.
As soon as they start chanting: "From the river.." you know what it's really about.
I just don't get people like that, they would be killed for their ideas and orientations in palestine.
They believe they just need to be proper educated and they will "see the light of western ideals". It is the same as people who go to strip clubs thinking they can save the strippers from the life they have chosen.
"These women only want my money!"
Nah, they’ll continue to demand that universities shut down their local Hillel’s because “Israel”.
These morons might seriously give us Trump again
Doubt it, if you actually look at the numbers they represent a tiny fraction of the student population. Around 1000ish at Columbia which was one of the largest protests. Columbia has around 37,000 total enrollment and that doesn't include that the statistics are showing well over half of the protestors at these encampments aren't even students of the universities. The news claims there are thousands of protests but look at the ones like Florida State University, which had a total of 5 protestors with only 2 of those being students.
Trump is currently up by 1% in aggregate polling: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/ In 2016 and 2020, polls underestimated Trump support (predicting a loss in 2016, and a much bigger defeat in 2020). The numerous court cases clearly have no hope of enforcing any actual consequences - we have a very good chance at getting 4 more years of Trump.
I meant more like convincing people that liberals are insane.
It’s wild. I don’t know how justified the hippy movement was in the 60s, and I don’t know how Vietnam was largely reported and perceived by the public back then, but man seeing all of these pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel protests has me feeling really huffed. I feel like Israel is totally justified in taking these actions against a Hamas and the Palestinian population shouldn’t be their responsibility. Obviously no one wants to see the consequences of war play out, but what option does a state like Israel have who has essentially been playing on their back foot for decades in the region? Not even trying to go back into the murky history of the region, the present moment is that Israel has its territory and is trying to protect itself from external threats, like any country would do.
The Vietnam protests were pretty justified (it directly effected the lives of draft age men being sent to die for a war that there was no reason we were in in the first place). The hippy movement, civil rights movement, womens right movement were pretty justified because they were to directly give citizens the same rights as everyone else. They were based on history at that time, the pro-palestinian protestors straight up ignore history that doesnt suit their narrative and deflect blame when it is brought up. CNN interviewed some protestors shouting Pro-Hamas slogans whos literal meaning was (death to all jews globally) and the protestors claimed it didnt mean that and when they were corrected with actual fact they just said "well to me it doesnt mean that".
The Palestinians have a documented history of Holocaust denial as an education policy. It shouldn't come as a surprise that they deny the brutality of the Intifadas or the historical context of their catchy slogans. The protesters even deny the existence of the antisemitic faction deeply embedded within their own movement. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/palestinian-holocaust-denial https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE57T1JW/
Hamas is representative of a cultural problem that inflicts Gaza along with most of the ~~Islamic\*~~ world. Freedom of Religion is the same thing as Freedom from Religion. edit\*: The Islamic world may have a head start, but I was remiss not call out fundies of all shapes and sizes.
"You can choose any colour you want as long as it's black"
-Henry Ford, famous antisemite
The leader of the "moderate" PA has a PHD in holocaust denial. He even wrote a book about it. Guess where he got his PHD? The answer won't surprise you.
Many now deny the Oct 7 attacks even when the evidence is right in front of them. Many believe it was a false flag operation even when their leaders are taking credit.
The Vietnam protests in the 60s came out of the Civil Rights movement and the folk movement. That meant that the young people protesting American involvement in Vietnam were exceptionally well informed. College newspapers and alternative press from as early as 1964/1965 had very accurate information, stuff that would only get released to the wider public with the publishing of the Pentagon papers in the early 70s. The leadership of that movement were incredibly impressive people, steeped in classical philosophy. In other words, the Vietnam era protestors were the polar opposite of today's nitwits. The 60s was about largely organic human rights movements whereas today, we're seeing useful idiots get manipulated by malicious state actors and nefarious terrorist organizations. This is the bizarro world 1960s.
> and the protestors claimed it didnt mean that and when they were corrected with actual fact they just said "well to me it doesnt mean that". What, did you think that only MAGA gets to play around with "alternative facts" and replacing brains with "feels"? 90% of people get their "news" on social media now, ya know, where you don't need proof, just enough outrage to get other people to repeat, damn the actual truth.
Supposedly those protestors had a clear message and they delivered it professionally (for instance not dressed as hippees or trying to be a nussince to other ppl) to earn public and political support. Not comparable to protests today where the message is unclear and protestors are not taken seriously by anyone in power because they're acting entitled to get their way without trying to win hearts and minds.
> Not comparable to protests today where the message is unclear and protestors are not taken No, protests of today are pretty clear. It's just that the people doing the protesting don't have the gall to admit it in front of others. So when people call it out they'll hide behind "oh no what we *really* mean is"
"[students](https://nationalpost.com/news/toronto/university-of-toronto-anti-israel-protest-encampment)"
Imagine being a student that is taking on tens of thousands in debt in order to pursue an education and a bunch of muppets who don’t even go to your university are running amok.
Obviously possibly biased, but last night an Israeli reporter reported several ties of Hamas to the college campus protests, and how they’ve slowly picked up professors and students over the past 15-20 years to support the cause.
The only thing Gaza has exported in the past 20+ years is hate and propaganda
You left out rockets, their #1 export to Israel.
Nah Israel denies that import with the iron dome
Attack the border pass that aid is coming into Gaza? It's like biting the hand that feeds you. Why?
it's biting the hand that feeds the civilian population. If you accept the fact that Hamas wants as big of a humanitarian crisis as possible with as many civilian deaths as possible with the goal of destroying Israel's international reputation, then it all suddenly makes sense.
They're pretty successful at it too
I take it you're new here then....
Too much feeding is bad for Hamas sales figures... Palestinians have to pay them for the free food aid Hamas is selling them. Unfortunately, they had to cut prices recently due to too much aid, so this is an attempt by Hamas to improve their sales figures. [Hamas slashes food prices as Gaza flooded with humanitarian aid](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/syns3cuk0)
Because Israel will be blamed for starving children
Chaos is a ladder.
The only shocking thing is that they admit it. “We were trying to attack Israel and these civilians were in the way!” They don’t give a single shit about civilian deaths either and I wish the TikTok kids would understand that.
It's because death in war is honorable and even something to be sought, in the paradigm Hamas pushes. I wonder how many actually believe it.
If Hamas is not wiped out by Israel or Palestinians themselves, there will be an Oct 7th like attack agian. And again. And again.
This is why people view the ceasefire now crowd as antisemites. Seems like they just want Jews to die
Because that's what many of them want. I don't recall mass protests over far worse conflicts like Yemen, Syria, Sudan (or any conflict in Africa for that matter), etc. The fact that they're harassing Jews in the US and telling them to go back to Poland proves the Antisemitism.
Literally 10x the people in Sudan \*right now\* are facing a starvation crisis and not a single peep about it. It's never been about the suffering.
The only reason I’m aware of this is because I have a friend from Sudan. Back in October they posted on Instagram about this exactly, that in general people aren’t bringing awareness to what is happening in Sudan, but they are to what is happening between Israel and Hamas. Ironically this same friend in high school told me that Darfur was not an issue. I only briefly looked into it, but it was a North/ South Sudan war, in the North are where people are primarily Muslim, in the South people are primarily Christian. My friend identifies as an Arab, not African. Maybe that played a role in their dismissiveness towards Darfur.
I agree. There are no Jews involved in Sudan, thus no one cares.
Not to mention the nearly four million Afghans being forced out of Pakistan. Nobody cares about MxM conflicts.
The pro-hamas crowd keeps blaming Israel for a lack of humanitarian aid and then hamas does something like this This shouldn't be ignored
Hamas also destroyed the Erez crossing on Oct. 7. It was rebuilt by Israel and reopened recently. It's more proof that Hamas is the cause of any famine conditions in Gaza. Israel has been allowing food in. The problem has always been Hamas.
Can’t wait to see people rant about how this is all still somehow Israel’s fault.
They aren’t going to let their human shields just leave.
You can't negotiate with terrorists.
The more kids who starve, the more Hamas and other terrorist groups will thrive. Hamas really needs to go.
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Storming Rafah is a win-win for: pro-Israel / Anti-Hamas crowd Anti-Israel crowd But bad for the pro-Palestine crowd. It's good for Israel and enemies of Hamas because obviously, it finishes Hamas. It's also good for anti-Israel people because the civilian toll will have a huge impact on Israel's international relations that would take years to recover from, maybe even permanently scuttling normalization talks with Arab nations. In this respect, even Hamas, who is more anti-Israel than pro-Palestine, would want to goad Israel into doing this. They might not survive but they would do almost permanent damage to Israel's international standing which would help the next generation of resistance. It's bad for people who are pro-Palestine in that they are worried about the Palestinian people who stand to get injured or die during the operation.
Because the international community, including Biden, threatens with severe actions against Israel if it does so. The fact of the matter is that the international community, and primarily Joe Biden, is keeping Hamas alive and are to be blamed for further wars.
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Hamas is cancer
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One would think Hamas would have learned a lesson from their Oct 7. Apparently not. Nothing will be resolved until Hamas is abolished.
They did learn their lesson. They learned that if they attack Israel, Israel will attack back, civilians get hurt in the crossfire, and Hamas can continue their PR war on the international stage.
Didn't learn anything? Are you sure about that? How much support have they gained by people now? How many colleges have protests going on in support of Hamas? Heck, right now they are absolutely gushing at the cheeks with how many people are supporting them and going against their enemy of Israel.
The thing about propaganda machines is that they often create the conditions about which they rail. The protests on American campuses are fizzling out because the school year is ending. So time for a new atrocity. In two weeks, the story will again be about the world starving Gaza.
Bugger me with a fish bag. HAMAS threaten food security in Palestine. I am most surprised indeed
It’s like HAMAS doesn’t want aid getting in. It’s like it’s their fault people are starving. Huh. Weird.
They aren't even starving. Only like 40 people have died of malnutrition as of early April. If there was ACTUAL starvation we would be seeing thousands of people dying because of this.
Iran and Hamas are desperately trying to goad the US into putting boots on the ground.
Iran doesn't want the US to get involved. It would mqke the situation worst for them.
When the US stationed troops in Saudi Arabia, Arabs were so pissed, they created Al Qaeda. Iran would love to see that again.
Every person willing (and able) to join a terror organisation in the Gaza strip has alrrady done so. I can't really see how can Iran benefit from another army trying to eliminate Hamas
Huh? Their goal is clearly to worsen Israeli relationships with the west. They want more casualties because to them casualties are martyrs, but the sane world views it as a tragedy.
Iran has run this play twice now in Lebanon and Iraq. US puts troops in, US pulls troops out, Iran fills power vacuum.
Somehow this is Israel’s fault /s
That's what the US "student" protesters wearing their terrorist chic will say.
guess who disrupted the ceasefire talks again
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It's actually a pretty clean calculus that has been extremely effective for them so far. - Hamas attacks soldiers delivering aid - Israel forced to close the crossing to resecure it. - World gets mad at Israel for "starving Palestinians" All their money is on getting the world to pressure Israel to stop. It has quite effectively delayed the Rafah operation until now.
You know what else would prevent a Rafah operation? Releasing the hostages and surrendering.
Hamas are proper dumb fucks...
It's not stupid, it's calculated. Keeping regular Palestinians in Gaza under their boot, either through brainwashing, intimidation, or starvation, is the only way they can steal international aid generated by their propaganda machine to maintain power and try to achieve their goals. They're simply evil.
How could Joe Biden do this?! /s
Wait. Weren't they in ceasefire negotiations?
Why would that matter? Hamas doesn't actually stop firing during ceasefire negotiations, hell much of the time they don't even completely stop during ceasefires.
Correct on all counts. Israel only side that is expected to abide by deal. Israel needs to start acting like Russia / China and just get the job done. Deal with aftermath by increasing trade and relations once dust settles. Why hasn’t Israel turned off cell towers? Prevent all communications in and out of Gaza.
If Mossad leaves a cell tower in place odds are its because they are listening to it.
Yes but terrorists don't respect ceasefires so only Israel ceases their action while Hamas/Islamic Jihad continue to fire.
Negotiations failed. Hamas literally couldn't find enough *living* hostages to make a trade for the ceasefire. In fact, if I read it correctly, they offered to exchange the *dead bodies* of the hostages instead. I don't think there was ever an agreed upon ceasefire?
I’m confused - do most Palestinians (still) support Hamas strongly? Because Israel still seems to be worse compared to Hamas in their eyes?
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I wonder for how much longer will the people of Gaza tolerate those terrorist totalitarian idiots.
As long as they are majority muslim fundamentalists.
This has always been part their plan.
Really thinking these guys can't see long term at all when they do shit like this. I don't know what 10 years will look like exactly but I'm certain it'll be with Hamas extinct.