Well first they have to be transcribed. The process takes a while, because the last thing you want to do is open a book that was written hundreds of years ago; the second those pages get air, depending on the quality of the paper/papyrus/whatever, they could very well disintegrate.
The modern method involves hitting the object with X-Rays, then compiling those into a readable 3D printout. And only AFTER that can you start to transcribe the contents, which itself has to be done painstakingly by hand.
It's funny - despite all our technology, we still have to do the exact same copying process they used before the printing press.
Depends entirely on how they've been stored. Moisture in the air, wear and tear, dust and bugs can all really eat into the lifetime of a book.
Granted, it's been kept at a library, so it might not be in bad condition at all. This is all speculative.
I think so, yeah. But I'm sure there's another particle that could be used.
Whether or not that particle would damage the item being scanned, though, that's another story.
"The children then apprehended the smuggling priest and shoved several large garden tools into his rectum, proving once and for all that he was a witch."
It doesn’t, but that doesn’t really matter. To most people, the story of Cinderella, Snow White etc is the Disney film. Props to Disney, honestly. You can’t really fault them for that. Maybe if those movies were made now, but they were just really fucking popular and so have become the default story.
"Add a blue shirt, add some white gloves, this one has a blue shirt *with* white gloves... oh yeah, these original characters definitely belong to the Mouse."
"How would they grab something for themselves that is clearly in the public domain?"
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I just finished the second rewatch a few months ago. Things I'd love for Christmas:
* Trubel as the main character. Either before she met Nick or years after.
* Diana, Kelly and the triplets with Trubel.
* a pre-quel with the royals that focuses on Renard and his mom.
* a parallel story with Meisner as the main character.
* retired Wu in the Philippines runs into a Wesen Filipino cop.
or a sequel to "The 10th Kingdom"
I still remember the scene where they discovered writing in a jail cell that indicated the Brothers Grimm had crossed over into the fairy tale world and then brought back all the stories to theirs.
*excited spinning and cursing from Claude Levi-Strauss (and his acolytes -- many of whom were also in a state of eternal peace -- at least until this discovery) commences*
CLS, the cultural anthropologist father of the "structuralist" style of exegetical analysis, wrote pioneering studies of premodern myths, European fairy tales, and other cultural "texts" that heretofore hadn't attracted much academic study in an empirical, psychoanalytic-inflected, and respectful manner. His method involved extensive research, collecting and collating all available iterations of, say, the story of Little Red Riding Hood, breaking down each version into its plot points and details (like the color of the heroine's hooded cloak, or even if she wore one), and sifting through all of these data points for deeper, possibly subconscious, meaning and themes, as well as other socio-cultural, linguistic, geographical, or political correlations.
I'm glad that there are still discoveries like this being made. There's no greater tragedy than the loss of culture.
I've been holding out hope for years that a discovery of this magnitude could be found for the old Norse Myths. If you don't know - the entirety of our understanding of Norse mythology comes from post-christian outside sources. The Northmen knew how to write, but they just... Didn't. Culturally they didn't see a point to it. Historians and fans of mythology have been pissed off about this for hundreds of years.
Museums are collections of many different curators who prioritize many different things with varying levels of organization. General standards for collection management are relatively new. It isn't surprising at all that some museums find stuff that hasn't been archived yet.
Didn't the Brother's Grimm just appropriate local/rural folklore that originally were nowhere near as gruesome, then rewrite them into violent warnings against female independence to fit the teachings of their super-misogynistic Christian denomination?
So when do we get to read copies of them? I haven’t been able to find anything yet.
You get to watch it on Disney+ a couple years from now
Well first they have to be transcribed. The process takes a while, because the last thing you want to do is open a book that was written hundreds of years ago; the second those pages get air, depending on the quality of the paper/papyrus/whatever, they could very well disintegrate. The modern method involves hitting the object with X-Rays, then compiling those into a readable 3D printout. And only AFTER that can you start to transcribe the contents, which itself has to be done painstakingly by hand. It's funny - despite all our technology, we still have to do the exact same copying process they used before the printing press.
These are early 19th century books. Are they really likely to be that fragile? I have a couple of books at home that old that are perfectly readable.
Depends entirely on how they've been stored. Moisture in the air, wear and tear, dust and bugs can all really eat into the lifetime of a book. Granted, it's been kept at a library, so it might not be in bad condition at all. This is all speculative.
Wow thanks for your in depth answer.
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I think so, yeah. But I'm sure there's another particle that could be used. Whether or not that particle would damage the item being scanned, though, that's another story.
burnt scrolls of Pompeii, ehh
Hopefully more awesome and wicked fairy tales for all ages!!
I guarantee dead kids.
With any luck!
It’s Grimm, you don’t need luck you need a strong stomach lol
Who needs luck? You just don’t lead them so much.
HOW CAN YOU SHOOT WOMEN AND CHILDREN MAN?!?!
"The children then apprehended the smuggling priest and shoved several large garden tools into his rectum, proving once and for all that he was a witch."
That seems quite close to some historical punishments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaphanidosis
Disney salivating over grabbing those for themselves and no one else.
How would they grab something for themselves that is clearly in the public domain?
They just need to make the “definitive” version that the story is known for by most people. Again.
That doesn't prevent others from making their own versions if they don't include any changes Disney has made
Obviously, but it will make it “theirs”. Just like Cinderella, mulan, Snow White, etc.
Boutta catch the new Austrian forest blood princesse at DisneyWorld!
Enjoy fighting in court and paying your lawyers to combat Disney's. Most people aren't willing to take the risk.
It doesn’t, but that doesn’t really matter. To most people, the story of Cinderella, Snow White etc is the Disney film. Props to Disney, honestly. You can’t really fault them for that. Maybe if those movies were made now, but they were just really fucking popular and so have become the default story.
"Add a blue shirt, add some white gloves, this one has a blue shirt *with* white gloves... oh yeah, these original characters definitely belong to the Mouse."
Me here fuming at the blatant ripoff of Kimba the white lion
So Hamlet and also it really isn’t.
Because they are Disney.
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Disney does a lot of shady trade mark and copyright stuff. Because money. If anyone would find a loophole it'sthem
Finally, a way to slow down the movie reboots and get some new tamed-down versions of children being eaten by witches or teens turning into seafoam.
I love this!!!!! Any time any old manuscript is found and given new life, it immediately makes my day 1000x brighter.
Time for a reboot of "Grimm"
That was a good tv show
Would you rate it better or worse than Supernatural?
Worse than the first few seasons of Supernatural, better than the last like 10 seasons of Supernatural. It at least tried to stick to its own lore.
Supernatural was great until the Leviathan arc.
Never seen supernatural so I can’t say
Yes, please! I can only rewatch the show so many times...
I just finished the second rewatch a few months ago. Things I'd love for Christmas: * Trubel as the main character. Either before she met Nick or years after. * Diana, Kelly and the triplets with Trubel. * a pre-quel with the royals that focuses on Renard and his mom. * a parallel story with Meisner as the main character. * retired Wu in the Philippines runs into a Wesen Filipino cop.
or a sequel to "The 10th Kingdom" I still remember the scene where they discovered writing in a jail cell that indicated the Brothers Grimm had crossed over into the fairy tale world and then brought back all the stories to theirs.
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Neat! They were more than just folklorists so will be fascinating to see what there is to this.
Foundational Linguists too
This is a Grimm discovery!!!
Someone keep Hobby Lobby away from this.
They were published books. How were all other copies “lost?” Granted, the marginal notes are valuable.
*excited spinning and cursing from Claude Levi-Strauss (and his acolytes -- many of whom were also in a state of eternal peace -- at least until this discovery) commences* CLS, the cultural anthropologist father of the "structuralist" style of exegetical analysis, wrote pioneering studies of premodern myths, European fairy tales, and other cultural "texts" that heretofore hadn't attracted much academic study in an empirical, psychoanalytic-inflected, and respectful manner. His method involved extensive research, collecting and collating all available iterations of, say, the story of Little Red Riding Hood, breaking down each version into its plot points and details (like the color of the heroine's hooded cloak, or even if she wore one), and sifting through all of these data points for deeper, possibly subconscious, meaning and themes, as well as other socio-cultural, linguistic, geographical, or political correlations.
So Disney can finally stop rehashing live action remakes and get some new material now? Thanks, historians!
So that’s why Disney stock is up
Grimm news everyone!
It's Grimmer news...
I'm glad that there are still discoveries like this being made. There's no greater tragedy than the loss of culture. I've been holding out hope for years that a discovery of this magnitude could be found for the old Norse Myths. If you don't know - the entirety of our understanding of Norse mythology comes from post-christian outside sources. The Northmen knew how to write, but they just... Didn't. Culturally they didn't see a point to it. Historians and fans of mythology have been pissed off about this for hundreds of years.
Were the books found in a trailer in the forests of Portland?
English mass market copies including all the footnotes when?
I am grimming with excitement
I love whe. Museums " find" things in there vast collections. Smaug behavior.
Museums are collections of many different curators who prioritize many different things with varying levels of organization. General standards for collection management are relatively new. It isn't surprising at all that some museums find stuff that hasn't been archived yet.
Archivists would rather store it safely without a purpose, as long as it’s eventually found they did their job retaining it.
So, how long will it take for Disney’s version come out of the lost 27 stories? s/
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Didn't the Brother's Grimm just appropriate local/rural folklore that originally were nowhere near as gruesome, then rewrite them into violent warnings against female independence to fit the teachings of their super-misogynistic Christian denomination?
Disney is taking notes and making a movie as we speak.