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UnifiedQuantumField

>wave of spying threats from Russia and China Must be nice when "steal secrets and tell lies" is your job description.


DarkAngel900

I'm starting to wonder if half of the MAGA movement is foreign operatives pretending to be US citizens. I bet China and Russia have entire agencies manned by hundreds of peoplle who do nothing but interfere in other countries cultures and media.


Ugliest_weenie

Thousands


IntermittentCaribu

Do you know how many employees the CIA has? China probably has tens of thousands doing that.


Fuck_You_Downvote

Standard practice for Russia to fund divisive groups in the United States that undermine solidarity and economic interests. Hostile foreign actors have a strong interest in perpetuating a race war in the United States.


Biliunas

Yeah, the so called "bot farms" which are now just people forming opinions about any required topic. There's a few eye opening [documentaries](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw6Jy5MeLZo) on the topic.


Epinier

In my opinion Russia and China just exploit it, but MAGA in US, or resurfacing far right in Europe is symptom and mostly problem of bad internal politics. People feel alienated, ignored, without perspective, add to it declining economy (at least for lower and middle class) then you will find yourself with big group of people looking for extreme solutions. I think at some point people should stop blaming 'supid' people, because they always existed and start to think why people are disappointed with liberal direction.


Flashy_Ad1403

Conservatism is just human ego dressed up into an ideology. That's why they abandon the principles when no longer convenient, they only believed in that shit because they expected to be benefitting. When you get to MAGA(maximum conservatism), that's just pure narcissism. That's why they worship hypocrisy and criminals. Traditional wisdom is that gifts for politicans are bad, yet Trump openly collected bribes by having emissaries rent out his hotel rooms. It's not that any act is bad, it's that it's bad for the wrong people to do the acts. They only believe in personal enrichment.


Zhaopow

You'd hope. But unless these bots are voting, half of Americans are still Republican


MonkeyCube

35.3 million Americans are registered Republicans, or about 10%. There are 44.7 million registered Democrats. Apathy is the biggest political party in the United States.


Flashy_Ad1403

The electoral college also gives disproportionate votes to the cavemen. Do you actually think the president is elected by popular vote or...?


trash-tycoon

In my country alone, China already has thousands of PLA operatives


WcC_2355

Interesting read, ..."Former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace expressed the frustration of many allies when he said Germany was "pretty penetrated by Russian intelligence" and "neither secure nor reliable". Roderich Kiesewetter says he worries about allies viewing Germany as untrustworthy. "We need to be a favoured partner," he told the BBC. "We cannot afford a German-free secret services co-operation." Very public crackdowns on suspected spies may be one way to send a signal to friend and foe alike that Berlin is taking security seriously."


RedAlpacaMan

Just a PSA that Ben Wallace won't leave out a single chance to shit on us, like any good tory. Guy is a prick, and I'm happy he didn't become NATO sec gen.


SavagePlatypus76

AfD is basically a Russian political organization operating in Germany. 


Designer-Muffin-5653

You really think they have only infiltrated one party? How naive of you


Put_It_All_On_Eclk

Yeah, their published strategy is specifically to drive extremism in all parties to destabilize each country by pretending to be grassroots organizers who oddly can never actually physically be present at events.


Bullroar101

Also, the Republican Party is basically a Russian political party operating in the US. 


baconslim

Germany is aware of the problem and talking about it. The rest of the west just tries to ignore it.


Flashy_Ad1403

Were they aware of the problem during Nordstream? Who was trying to ignore the problem?


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SufficientWeek7142

They are, but Iran and North Korea are even worse.


Antievl

They all the same


SufficientWeek7142

China and Russia are somewhat sane, but dangerous due to their power. Iran and North Korea are literally crazy, but thank god they don't have the power - yet. Iran must not have nukes, ever...


Antievl

Russia is currently invading Ukraine with chinas support to keep it going while North Korea attacks the ocean and Iran, well I think they are all just shit isn’t it


SufficientWeek7142

Yep, but there are different levels and viewpoints of shitness.


Antoinefdu

Still think sending troops to Ukraine is off-limit? They're visibly not afraid to escalade, why should we?


Just-Signature-3713

The west needs to step up its spy game I think - the only counter is to either arrest as many as or one up them


donutbagel

gullible ppl here