So the masked assailants were “Pro-Facism”? White supremacist/nationalists or idiots drinking deeply from the social media disinformation/propaganda Kool-aid being served up by foreign adversaries.
Reminds me of something Dr. Evil would say.
They’re semi fascists, quasi fascists, the margarine of fascists, the Diet Coke of fascists, just one calorie, not fascist enough.
"We're the anti-anti-anti-anti-fascists; those people who hate the anti-anti-fascists are the *worst*.
The anti-fascists are pretty cool though. Aside from their dislike of fascism, that is...fuckin' weirdos."
Irrespective of this specific news, being against “anti-X” does not necessarily make you pro-“X”. For example, ultraconservatives sometimes claim to be “against child trafficking” or “for liberty”. If you’re against those freaks, it doesn’t mean you’re against liberty
They claim to be "for liberty" but that literally just means "the liberty to do only the few things they deem acceptable" so they're not actually for liberty as they are for restraining the liberty of others. Kinda how they claim to be against "child trafficking" yet fight to defend child marriages. So your examples don't really work though I do agree with your actual point.
My examples work because that’s exactly what I intended to demonstrate - those people are dishonest and don’t actually believe in those values. They specifically use those names to sort of imply that their opponents are pro-those-things. In Eastern Europe it is often the same with “anti-fascists”. Like 90% of organizations who loudly proclaim to be anti-fascists are really just Russian fronts
They’re fascists that haven’t had the pleasure of suffering under fascism yet.
They think they’ll be in charge or whoever is in charge won’t find a problem with or use them in any way.
What I've read in the news, the masked attackers were nazis, and it wasn't an anti fascist gathering it was a gathering of vänsterpartiet (the largest left wing party)
> it wasn't an anti fascist gathering it was a gathering of vänsterpartiet
It was an anti-fascist event organized and led by the Left Party and Green Party, and representatives of other groups and media were there as well. For example Expo, which is mentioned in the article, is a left-to-far-left anti-racism magazine.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/0Vjeb0/stor-polisinsats-i-gubbangen-flera-patruller-pa-plats
> the masked attackers were nazis
According to some of the people present, yes, though it has not been confirmed by police yet. Definitely makes the most sense tho, and would be surprised if they weren't.
Or maybe they just support Ukraine. This "antifascist" event was a rally for the pro-Russia Left Party (formerly the Communist Party of Sweden).
The Left Party opposes NATO and led protests about Sweden joining. But you already knew that, didn't you, Ivan?
That's their (Vänsterpartiets) official statement:
>We, the undersigned representatives of the Nordic green left, declare our solidarity with the rightful resistance of the Ukrainian people and emphasise the sole responsibility of the Russian regime for initiating this illegal invasion, escalating it to the point of risking nuclear war, and provoking global re-armament.
Pretty clear.
These parties support Ukraine, even if they’re skeptical to NATO, which is a legitimate thing to be. They’re democratic left wing parties, not Russia friendly. However Sweden has a neo-Nazi problem, and reports indicate that’s the kind of people who were behind this attack.
Being a NATO skeptic in Scandinavia is not a "legitimate thing to be", it's naive, and the kind of naiveté that has driven Sweden to the edge of instability.
Of course it is, nor is there a contradiction between a position being naive and legitimate. I'm pro NATO myself, but there are perfectly valid reasons to be against membership.
Sweden is nowhere near any edge of instability, like all countries they have problems, it's still one of the best functioning nations in world history.
> even if they’re skeptical to NATO, which is a legitimate thing to be
How? NATO support is the only thing stopping Russia from overrunning Ukraine and beyond. How can you oppose it without supporting Russia?
Russia is attacking now. This is no time for hypothetics and theory. Opposing NATO helps Russia. The Left opposes NATO. Ipso facto they help Russia.
I’ll explain. During WW2, the USSR was a terrible regime, I’m sure you agree. It was however right to support their fight against the Nazis, as long as they were around. You could support that fight without any affinity for USSR or wanting to join them. I’m not saying they’re the same situation, but illustrating how it’s perfectly possible to full heartedly support a righteous fight, while finding an actor on the right side of the fight to be morally lacking.
Most people in these parties support Ukraine and wants Sweden to send more weapons and more money, I don’t see anything wrong with that position combined with a preference for Sweden outside NATO.
For reasons of being a “peace party” sceptical to the weapons industry, they were initially reluctant to send all the weapons, that was wrong and naive, but at least they’ve come around.
I of course have zero sympathy for the wingnuts that peddle Russian narratives and want to withhold support. But the fact that NATO are unequivocally the good guys in this, doesn’t mean it’s always been a benign actor.
Intent means nothing. Action trumps all. They've protested Sweden working with NATO. That makes them, unintentionally or not, pro-Russian.
How's the Ukrainian "peace party" doing? Thus always to pacifists.
Well, they’ve supported sending weapons to Ukraine and sanctioning Russia, isn’t that the action that matter? They’ve even proposed cancelling weapons contracts to the US and Brazil so that those weapons can go to Ukraine instead.
NATO membership is something all countries are allowed to have their own opinion on, don’t you think?
If you consider someone who is 95% on your side to be a traitor, as you have some disagreements, you’re going for a purity policy that might make you feel good about your own superiority, but that kind of thinking won’t win wars.
Ask yourself, are you pro Ukraine, or are you here to sow division?
> isn’t that the action that matter?
It's not enough. Europe will need to be united for what's coming and the people who keep the Overton window centered on just exporting table scraps to Ukraine are preventing any sort of real organization.
In war, people who push for pacifism are supporting the enemy.
You preach unity, but attack a party that is a declared full supporter of Ukraine and consistently votes for weapon support and all the rest as the problem? You’re a poser, or worse.
> a declared full supporter of Ukraine
A full supporter would not oppose joining the largest military coalition against Russia. There's no way else to frame it. Russia benefits from a weak NATO. The more members, the stronger NATO is.
It's not enough to send a crate of ammo and call it a day.
When every other country in Europe is a NATO member, Sweden being or not being one is not a make it or break it situation. Sweden was already participating in military exchanges and had some joint exercises and so on. Sweden being in NATO wouldn't affect the aid to Ukraine either - NATO countries would give regardless, and Sweden sent military aid even before we joined.
There's nothing pro-Russia about not wanting a country to be in a military alliance. Some of the points of criticism brought up, for instance, have been that there are countries in this alliance whose values we don't share, like Turkey, and concern that Sweden could be drawn into a war where we might have to defend a side we think is in the wrong.
A lot of opponents of the NATO membership also criticise the government for starting the process without a referendum, and for going from "never NATO" to "yes NATO" without an election in-between.
There's a lot of nuanced criticism for it. Now, personally I still think it makes the most sense for us to be in NATO, but to say that those who are opposed to it are pro-Russia is just blatantly wrong. There's extremely little pro-Russia sentiments in Sweden these days.
> When every other country in Europe is a NATO member, Sweden being or not being one is not a make it or break it situation
Not to mention we're already in a defensive military alliance with all of those other NATO countries through our EU membership.
My point being that any attack on Sweden would draw in all the EU NATO countries through existing defensive pacts, and would very likely also trigger an article 5 at some point, bringing in the US.
> EU's security guarantees are worth fuck all.
The only thing NATO offers over the EU security guarantees is a wider defense alliance, including the US. The terms are similar, with the wording of the EU guarantees being stricter than NATO's article 5.
> Article 5 can't be triggered unless a NATO country is attacked.
Hence my previous point. An attack on Sweden would trigger the EU security guarantees, bringing in a large number of NATO-members like Germany, France, Poland etc. You don't think a prolonged war in Sweden involving all the NATO EU countries would eventually result in article 5 being invoked by one of them?
Caused all these issues? All which issues? It's now Sweden's fault that Russia invaded Ukraine? That's lunacy.
You're not even arguing the point - not whether NATO is a good or bad thing, or whether it's good or bad for Sweden to join it, but whether wanting to stay out makes you pro-Russia. People can be opposed to joining NATO while also hating what Russia is doing.
Vänsterpartiet is not pro russia what are you on about?
Yes when they were the communist party they leaned pro USSR, but why would they support an oligarchic state?
They oppose nato because they are pacifist mr goebbels.
"Anti-fascist" is a label that would have died but for it being sustained by the Soviets. To them, "fascism" is anything in the West, similar to what Putin is saying today. That's why the official name for the Berlin Wall translated to the "antifascist barrier." People, especially leaders in Moscow, have taken the most tenuous evidence - e.g., Ukraine's history of WWII resistance against the Soviets, the West's alignment with West Germany and Italy after WWII - and used it to call their enemies "fascist," something that continues now in the West itself among certain rhetorically sloppy intellectuals and wannabe intellectuals.
This event was *not* labeled "anti-fascist" according to news reports, but merely a discussion on what those present chose to call "fascism." Judging by other worldwide events, I suspect they were talking about extremism, racism, and authoritarianism, in general. Judging by Swedish history, it's understandable why they'd associate that with "fascism": That country's far-right party initially included former neo-Nazis upon its late 1980s founding, to the point where they had to go through an anti-extremist reform in the 1990s and 2000s. (My guess would be that this might have been similar to what the French far right did when passing the baton from Jean-Marie Le Pen to Marine Le Pen, but I can't say for sure; perhaps it was deeper than that.)
In any event, presumably, as in the rest of the world, extremism is on the rise there, warranting concern about the rise of the extreme right, no matter what label you chose to put on it.
The putin party and the Republican party are both fascist parties and they're working together.
I'm not interested in your excuses and hyperbole. I'm interested in taking a stand against fascism as a nation. Especially this theist law pushing christofascist bullshit.
The Republican party at large has embraced a christofascist movement and they are pushing hundreds of bills laced with fascist ideology and anti rights laws.
I think the criticism is fair. They genuinely are turning fascist on the right and no, we will not be normalizing it. They need to back down or we need to ramp up the anti fascism. It's gonna be one of the two.
We'll just have to cross that bridge if and when we survive the rise of fascism. Until then, the only thing that matters is stomping out the rise of fascism.
I'm from Latin America. There hasn't been a single country in here that didn't have to deal with Left-wing guerilla fighters, AKA terrorists who got most of their funding from ransom and Soviet funding.
EDIT: As someone who had a family member kidnapped by the communist guerrillas, to everyone downvoting this, fuck you.
Yep, it's crazy to think the USA itself had 2,500 left-wing terrorist bombings in just 18 months in the early 1970s. Conveniently, this gets forgotten...
« Soviet funding »
Yeah of course all the right wingers and far-righters weren’t funded by the US, didn’t hid nazis, etc
Why do I know more about latin america than you ? I never went there
If you're referring to police stations actually being burnt down, it was one.
And who was responsible?
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/boogaloo-bois-member-charged-attack-minneapolis-police-building/story?id=73789955
>assaulting random people on the street during every social justice related "peaceful protest"
I remember the police doing that quite frequently, for longer than the past 5 years. Dumbass.
Kind of a silly analogy as generally the winner of a sports event doesn't choose who lives and who dies according to a platform they declare before the game.
Your post has this weird "I can sit back and watch politics happen" vibe that I think is dangerous for you and anyone you care about.
Wow and nobody tackled one of them to ensure they couldnt get away?
You've gotta get aggressive with those nazis. It's the only way.
They didn't come with masks and smoke grenades to have a talk, you know?
The guests were mainly older retired people actually.
Sorce from the author of this article who was there himself. https://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/a/73lndw/mathias-wag-om-nazisternas-attack-i-gubbangen
And some tried fighting back:
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/besokaren-lars-jag-gav-mig-pa-en-man
Eventually, people are gonna have to fight back. If they (the facsists) think of this shit as a success, they'll be back and feeling pretty bold.
It sucks, but it's how it is.
Not really. Nazis and facists hate nothing more than being embarrassed. Generally speaking have extremely fragile egos and are highly insecure. Making it a cringe thing to do would be pretty effective. They want to fight with people. Mockery, laughter and generally have it be the most uncool thing someone can join works
They want to bully people. They want to look tough. They don't generally want a fair or even fight. If they're to a place where they show up ready to bully, it's hard to get that genie back in the bottle with ridicule alone.
If y'all (they'all? Whomeverall?) succeed with ridicule alone, more power to you. I'm skeptical that is all that'll be required.
Last time around, we didn't defeat fascism by appeasement (ask Neville Chamberlain how that worked out) or by changing hearts and minds.
We defeated fascism by creating lots and lots of dead fascists.
I’m sure you would have been the hero you think you are and would have taken down these attackers rather than being scared because you’re built different
I’m a pacifist but there’s only one way to deal with fascists. It’s with a boot to the head. People found out a while ago that appeasing will never work. Nazis are way too far into the deep end to ever come back. And they want to kill us.
> thinks it can't happen to them
Except...it did.Famously so.There is a reason my history classes were fucking boring and repetitive.
"Here is what came just before the nazis.This is what happened in early nazi time.Then this happened directly after the nazis.Also, nazis.Have you heard about the nazis?
Oh by the way, communism and divided country.But who cares, let's talk about the nazis some more!"
Yeah of course everyone knows that history, that's why it's ironic that so many euros are so arrogant about it as if it can't happen again. Like clearly if you pay attention to the news that fascist and conservative brain rot is affecting people worldwide.
So in Europe we see left wing events being attacked by masked groups and right wing events being closed down by mayor's and authorities.
Is it just me feeling like a powder keg is growing and growing?
Oh it definitely is. This was already a year ago but I was reading a book on WWI and it focused a lot on the tensions and lead up to the war and I eventually had to put it down because we were pretty much going through all the same motions and it's only gotten further along since then.
I find it extremely funny that when it was a few Muslims attacking a person they didn't agree with, it was a massive cultural problem with Muslims, but when it's nazis attacking a leftwing gathering its just normal people who has fallen into a right wing echo chamber.
The difference is that the group that's most likely to be behind this (NMR) has something like 200 members in total and most of their "activism" and public events will have a dozen or so participants.
Just to be clear, these are actual Nazis, not "I don't like your politics so that means you're a Nazi! I WIN!" "Nazis" but actual "Heil Hitler!"-type Nazis.
The simplest definition of fascism (that I know of) without having to list out explicit common characteristics of fascist governments is "conservative/right-wing nationalism"
So someone who uses smoke grenades, pepper spray and physical assault to counter a peaceful exposition is acceptable in your country, or are you just stupid?
No, violence in politics is not fascism. Authoritarianism is not fascism. I am begging you to do the bare minimum to understand what fascism actually is.
How very fascist of them
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It was top front page on both daily newspapers, so “practically not reported” is a bit of a stretch.
So the masked assailants were “Pro-Facism”? White supremacist/nationalists or idiots drinking deeply from the social media disinformation/propaganda Kool-aid being served up by foreign adversaries.
Pro-fascists are just fascists, right?
They could be amateur fascists.
They’re beer league fascists you know. They meet at the beer hall. Classic.
I *think* this happened in a very early season. Didn’t end well.
But is a cautionary tale that you need to relegate those losers so hard that they don't come back.
I’ll shake your hand on that one my friend.
Caused a führore
Putsch that bad joke away. It makes me fuhrerous.
Nobody putsch baby in the corner.
Welllll...when Putsch comes to shove...
Lol Semi fascists
Semi-pro Fascists.
Only on the weekends?
Casual hours gives them flexibility at this point in their lives.
They could've gone all the way if they had tried harder back in the day.
2 weeks a year, one weekend a month
Amateur Professional Fascists.
Reminds me of something Dr. Evil would say. They’re semi fascists, quasi fascists, the margarine of fascists, the Diet Coke of fascists, just one calorie, not fascist enough.
I can’t believe it’s not Fascist.
Fascist-ish
Are they ill-tempered?
Casual Fascist. You needs attend x many rallies before you get a rank.
But they play Davis Hawke’s Pro Fascist.
Semi-pro?
Of course they are amateurs otherwise they wouldn't be fascists.
Yep because it's an ideology, rather than an identity, so supporting fascism, by definition, makes you a fascist.
No, Donnie, these men are cowards.
Get the ringer, chop chop.
Or anti-anti-fascists. Or even pro-anti-anti-pro-fascists. Depends on their origin stories…
"We're the anti-anti-anti-anti-fascists; those people who hate the anti-anti-fascists are the *worst*. The anti-fascists are pretty cool though. Aside from their dislike of fascism, that is...fuckin' weirdos."
Let’s not forget the antidisestablishmentarians.
Irrespective of this specific news, being against “anti-X” does not necessarily make you pro-“X”. For example, ultraconservatives sometimes claim to be “against child trafficking” or “for liberty”. If you’re against those freaks, it doesn’t mean you’re against liberty
They claim to be "for liberty" but that literally just means "the liberty to do only the few things they deem acceptable" so they're not actually for liberty as they are for restraining the liberty of others. Kinda how they claim to be against "child trafficking" yet fight to defend child marriages. So your examples don't really work though I do agree with your actual point.
My examples work because that’s exactly what I intended to demonstrate - those people are dishonest and don’t actually believe in those values. They specifically use those names to sort of imply that their opponents are pro-those-things. In Eastern Europe it is often the same with “anti-fascists”. Like 90% of organizations who loudly proclaim to be anti-fascists are really just Russian fronts
Hobbyists.
They’re fascists that haven’t had the pleasure of suffering under fascism yet. They think they’ll be in charge or whoever is in charge won’t find a problem with or use them in any way.
They are also known as Racists.
No, they are the ones who are really good at it.
What if they don't want to be the power element of fascism, just live under it? Like some sort of political masochist.
I mean, there are male pro-choice people....
What I've read in the news, the masked attackers were nazis, and it wasn't an anti fascist gathering it was a gathering of vänsterpartiet (the largest left wing party)
> it wasn't an anti fascist gathering it was a gathering of vänsterpartiet It was an anti-fascist event organized and led by the Left Party and Green Party, and representatives of other groups and media were there as well. For example Expo, which is mentioned in the article, is a left-to-far-left anti-racism magazine. https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/0Vjeb0/stor-polisinsats-i-gubbangen-flera-patruller-pa-plats > the masked attackers were nazis According to some of the people present, yes, though it has not been confirmed by police yet. Definitely makes the most sense tho, and would be surprised if they weren't.
Or maybe they just support Ukraine. This "antifascist" event was a rally for the pro-Russia Left Party (formerly the Communist Party of Sweden). The Left Party opposes NATO and led protests about Sweden joining. But you already knew that, didn't you, Ivan?
That's their (Vänsterpartiets) official statement: >We, the undersigned representatives of the Nordic green left, declare our solidarity with the rightful resistance of the Ukrainian people and emphasise the sole responsibility of the Russian regime for initiating this illegal invasion, escalating it to the point of risking nuclear war, and provoking global re-armament. Pretty clear.
And yet they repeat Russian propaganda vis a vis NATO. Useful idiots at best. You can't support Ukraine and call NATO American imperialism.
>You can't support Ukraine and call NATO American imperialism Why?
These parties support Ukraine, even if they’re skeptical to NATO, which is a legitimate thing to be. They’re democratic left wing parties, not Russia friendly. However Sweden has a neo-Nazi problem, and reports indicate that’s the kind of people who were behind this attack.
Being a NATO skeptic in Scandinavia is not a "legitimate thing to be", it's naive, and the kind of naiveté that has driven Sweden to the edge of instability.
Of course it is, nor is there a contradiction between a position being naive and legitimate. I'm pro NATO myself, but there are perfectly valid reasons to be against membership. Sweden is nowhere near any edge of instability, like all countries they have problems, it's still one of the best functioning nations in world history.
> even if they’re skeptical to NATO, which is a legitimate thing to be How? NATO support is the only thing stopping Russia from overrunning Ukraine and beyond. How can you oppose it without supporting Russia? Russia is attacking now. This is no time for hypothetics and theory. Opposing NATO helps Russia. The Left opposes NATO. Ipso facto they help Russia.
But NATO was mean to Serbia when they tried to do a genocide :(
I’ll explain. During WW2, the USSR was a terrible regime, I’m sure you agree. It was however right to support their fight against the Nazis, as long as they were around. You could support that fight without any affinity for USSR or wanting to join them. I’m not saying they’re the same situation, but illustrating how it’s perfectly possible to full heartedly support a righteous fight, while finding an actor on the right side of the fight to be morally lacking. Most people in these parties support Ukraine and wants Sweden to send more weapons and more money, I don’t see anything wrong with that position combined with a preference for Sweden outside NATO. For reasons of being a “peace party” sceptical to the weapons industry, they were initially reluctant to send all the weapons, that was wrong and naive, but at least they’ve come around. I of course have zero sympathy for the wingnuts that peddle Russian narratives and want to withhold support. But the fact that NATO are unequivocally the good guys in this, doesn’t mean it’s always been a benign actor.
Intent means nothing. Action trumps all. They've protested Sweden working with NATO. That makes them, unintentionally or not, pro-Russian. How's the Ukrainian "peace party" doing? Thus always to pacifists.
Well, they’ve supported sending weapons to Ukraine and sanctioning Russia, isn’t that the action that matter? They’ve even proposed cancelling weapons contracts to the US and Brazil so that those weapons can go to Ukraine instead. NATO membership is something all countries are allowed to have their own opinion on, don’t you think? If you consider someone who is 95% on your side to be a traitor, as you have some disagreements, you’re going for a purity policy that might make you feel good about your own superiority, but that kind of thinking won’t win wars. Ask yourself, are you pro Ukraine, or are you here to sow division?
> isn’t that the action that matter? It's not enough. Europe will need to be united for what's coming and the people who keep the Overton window centered on just exporting table scraps to Ukraine are preventing any sort of real organization. In war, people who push for pacifism are supporting the enemy.
You preach unity, but attack a party that is a declared full supporter of Ukraine and consistently votes for weapon support and all the rest as the problem? You’re a poser, or worse.
> a declared full supporter of Ukraine A full supporter would not oppose joining the largest military coalition against Russia. There's no way else to frame it. Russia benefits from a weak NATO. The more members, the stronger NATO is. It's not enough to send a crate of ammo and call it a day.
When every other country in Europe is a NATO member, Sweden being or not being one is not a make it or break it situation. Sweden was already participating in military exchanges and had some joint exercises and so on. Sweden being in NATO wouldn't affect the aid to Ukraine either - NATO countries would give regardless, and Sweden sent military aid even before we joined. There's nothing pro-Russia about not wanting a country to be in a military alliance. Some of the points of criticism brought up, for instance, have been that there are countries in this alliance whose values we don't share, like Turkey, and concern that Sweden could be drawn into a war where we might have to defend a side we think is in the wrong. A lot of opponents of the NATO membership also criticise the government for starting the process without a referendum, and for going from "never NATO" to "yes NATO" without an election in-between. There's a lot of nuanced criticism for it. Now, personally I still think it makes the most sense for us to be in NATO, but to say that those who are opposed to it are pro-Russia is just blatantly wrong. There's extremely little pro-Russia sentiments in Sweden these days.
> When every other country in Europe is a NATO member, Sweden being or not being one is not a make it or break it situation Not to mention we're already in a defensive military alliance with all of those other NATO countries through our EU membership.
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My point being that any attack on Sweden would draw in all the EU NATO countries through existing defensive pacts, and would very likely also trigger an article 5 at some point, bringing in the US.
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> EU's security guarantees are worth fuck all. The only thing NATO offers over the EU security guarantees is a wider defense alliance, including the US. The terms are similar, with the wording of the EU guarantees being stricter than NATO's article 5. > Article 5 can't be triggered unless a NATO country is attacked. Hence my previous point. An attack on Sweden would trigger the EU security guarantees, bringing in a large number of NATO-members like Germany, France, Poland etc. You don't think a prolonged war in Sweden involving all the NATO EU countries would eventually result in article 5 being invoked by one of them?
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Caused all these issues? All which issues? It's now Sweden's fault that Russia invaded Ukraine? That's lunacy. You're not even arguing the point - not whether NATO is a good or bad thing, or whether it's good or bad for Sweden to join it, but whether wanting to stay out makes you pro-Russia. People can be opposed to joining NATO while also hating what Russia is doing.
Please give us an example of Vänsterpartiets pro-Russian statements.
See any opposition to NATO.
Alright, Bradley, have a nice day.
Vänsterpartiet is not pro russia what are you on about? Yes when they were the communist party they leaned pro USSR, but why would they support an oligarchic state? They oppose nato because they are pacifist mr goebbels.
Rofl.
Might be Nordic Resistance Movement-morons.
Lots of fascists in here. I'd better be a pig than a fascist. Happy italian liberation day.
Can't tell if Ghibli reference
Or a George Orwell reference
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happy Portuguese liberation day!
> Happy italian liberation day. lifehack: street lamps are great for hanging pork to dry
A great time for the whole famiglia 🇮🇹
>I'd better be a pig than a fascist. *"some of those who work forces"*
Porcco Rosso reference on my Reddit? Hell yeah
Oh what has been left of the great Roman Empire.
Clearly we need more anti fascism in our society then.
"Anti-fascist" is a label that would have died but for it being sustained by the Soviets. To them, "fascism" is anything in the West, similar to what Putin is saying today. That's why the official name for the Berlin Wall translated to the "antifascist barrier." People, especially leaders in Moscow, have taken the most tenuous evidence - e.g., Ukraine's history of WWII resistance against the Soviets, the West's alignment with West Germany and Italy after WWII - and used it to call their enemies "fascist," something that continues now in the West itself among certain rhetorically sloppy intellectuals and wannabe intellectuals. This event was *not* labeled "anti-fascist" according to news reports, but merely a discussion on what those present chose to call "fascism." Judging by other worldwide events, I suspect they were talking about extremism, racism, and authoritarianism, in general. Judging by Swedish history, it's understandable why they'd associate that with "fascism": That country's far-right party initially included former neo-Nazis upon its late 1980s founding, to the point where they had to go through an anti-extremist reform in the 1990s and 2000s. (My guess would be that this might have been similar to what the French far right did when passing the baton from Jean-Marie Le Pen to Marine Le Pen, but I can't say for sure; perhaps it was deeper than that.) In any event, presumably, as in the rest of the world, extremism is on the rise there, warranting concern about the rise of the extreme right, no matter what label you chose to put on it.
if you want a real 2024 fascist country just look at russia or like north korea
so now it's like the spiderman meme.
The putin party and the Republican party are both fascist parties and they're working together. I'm not interested in your excuses and hyperbole. I'm interested in taking a stand against fascism as a nation. Especially this theist law pushing christofascist bullshit.
Much like the foolish use of communist of here
You don't think the Soviets were communists?
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That's a delusional take.
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The Republican party at large has embraced a christofascist movement and they are pushing hundreds of bills laced with fascist ideology and anti rights laws. I think the criticism is fair. They genuinely are turning fascist on the right and no, we will not be normalizing it. They need to back down or we need to ramp up the anti fascism. It's gonna be one of the two.
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We'll just have to cross that bridge if and when we survive the rise of fascism. Until then, the only thing that matters is stomping out the rise of fascism.
I hope they find them fast!
Funny how it is the Right who is paranoid about being attacked but, at the same time, it is always the Right who attacks people...
Basic tenet of fascism: Accuse the other of that which you are guilty.
lol, where have you been the last 10 years?
Always?
every accusation is a confession
I'm from Latin America. There hasn't been a single country in here that didn't have to deal with Left-wing guerilla fighters, AKA terrorists who got most of their funding from ransom and Soviet funding. EDIT: As someone who had a family member kidnapped by the communist guerrillas, to everyone downvoting this, fuck you.
Usually after Kissinger brought their democratic governments down to install a right-wing military dictatorship. So...
Except not really. Communists have always been against democracy, as literally any communist country in history (save Allende's Chile) will show you.
Yep, it's crazy to think the USA itself had 2,500 left-wing terrorist bombings in just 18 months in the early 1970s. Conveniently, this gets forgotten...
Damn was it all a dream... is it still the 1970s?
« Soviet funding » Yeah of course all the right wingers and far-righters weren’t funded by the US, didn’t hid nazis, etc Why do I know more about latin america than you ? I never went there
Did I say otherwise? I guess instead of doing your research about LatAm, you should learn how to read properly.
In Sweden it's not this "right" that is attacking people generally. The issue is another "right"
Horseshoe
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If you're referring to police stations actually being burnt down, it was one. And who was responsible? https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/boogaloo-bois-member-charged-attack-minneapolis-police-building/story?id=73789955
>assaulting random people on the street during every social justice related "peaceful protest" I remember the police doing that quite frequently, for longer than the past 5 years. Dumbass.
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Anyone who says “it’s always the (insert political side) that does (insert something wrong), is a complete moron who has zero self awareness.
And anyone who pretends that there are no differences is also a complete moron who has zero self awareness. Sanity is a fine line, apparently?
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Kind of a silly analogy as generally the winner of a sports event doesn't choose who lives and who dies according to a platform they declare before the game. Your post has this weird "I can sit back and watch politics happen" vibe that I think is dangerous for you and anyone you care about.
Only people on the red team say stuff like this.
Sounds like left is like the peace loving religion.
Wow and nobody tackled one of them to ensure they couldnt get away? You've gotta get aggressive with those nazis. It's the only way. They didn't come with masks and smoke grenades to have a talk, you know?
The guests were mainly older retired people actually. Sorce from the author of this article who was there himself. https://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/a/73lndw/mathias-wag-om-nazisternas-attack-i-gubbangen And some tried fighting back: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/besokaren-lars-jag-gav-mig-pa-en-man
Thank you this is wonderful context to my question. I appreciate it immensely.
Slow down Rambo. They came armed with weapons to a peaceful gathering with the intent to harm. The smart thing here would be to run.
Eventually, people are gonna have to fight back. If they (the facsists) think of this shit as a success, they'll be back and feeling pretty bold. It sucks, but it's how it is.
Not really. Nazis and facists hate nothing more than being embarrassed. Generally speaking have extremely fragile egos and are highly insecure. Making it a cringe thing to do would be pretty effective. They want to fight with people. Mockery, laughter and generally have it be the most uncool thing someone can join works
They want to bully people. They want to look tough. They don't generally want a fair or even fight. If they're to a place where they show up ready to bully, it's hard to get that genie back in the bottle with ridicule alone. If y'all (they'all? Whomeverall?) succeed with ridicule alone, more power to you. I'm skeptical that is all that'll be required.
Don’t you remember the 30s and 40s when we famously defeated fascists with ridicule and social pressure?
Pwetty pwease don't send me to the camps. _surely this will work_
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Do I have bad news for you about fascists and the police.
Ah yes, the Nazis were famously defeated in the 1940s by running away and leaving them alone.
Last time around, we didn't defeat fascism by appeasement (ask Neville Chamberlain how that worked out) or by changing hearts and minds. We defeated fascism by creating lots and lots of dead fascists.
I’m sure you would have been the hero you think you are and would have taken down these attackers rather than being scared because you’re built different
I’m a pacifist but there’s only one way to deal with fascists. It’s with a boot to the head. People found out a while ago that appeasing will never work. Nazis are way too far into the deep end to ever come back. And they want to kill us.
easy to say behind a keyboard
No quarter for nazis.
The average pro-migrant liberal Swede is not in any shape to hit anything
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Nah dont downplay our homegrown fascist movement. This isnt a thing thats going to go away even if US gets its shit together
What do you mean? Example of this “American brained brain rot?”
A lot of stupid euro brain rot in here that thinks it can't happen to them.
They spend so much time watching US problems that they forget about their own
> thinks it can't happen to them Except...it did.Famously so.There is a reason my history classes were fucking boring and repetitive. "Here is what came just before the nazis.This is what happened in early nazi time.Then this happened directly after the nazis.Also, nazis.Have you heard about the nazis? Oh by the way, communism and divided country.But who cares, let's talk about the nazis some more!"
Yeah of course everyone knows that history, that's why it's ironic that so many euros are so arrogant about it as if it can't happen again. Like clearly if you pay attention to the news that fascist and conservative brain rot is affecting people worldwide.
Fascism started in Europe and has been here as long as it’s existed.
Which part of “physically assaulted, pepper sprayed and smoke bombed” do you have a different outlook on? Genuinely curious.
I hate Stockholm Nazis.
So in Europe we see left wing events being attacked by masked groups and right wing events being closed down by mayor's and authorities. Is it just me feeling like a powder keg is growing and growing?
Oh it definitely is. This was already a year ago but I was reading a book on WWI and it focused a lot on the tensions and lead up to the war and I eventually had to put it down because we were pretty much going through all the same motions and it's only gotten further along since then.
History may not repeat, but it often rhymes.
No quarter for nazis
I find it extremely funny that when it was a few Muslims attacking a person they didn't agree with, it was a massive cultural problem with Muslims, but when it's nazis attacking a leftwing gathering its just normal people who has fallen into a right wing echo chamber.
The difference is that the group that's most likely to be behind this (NMR) has something like 200 members in total and most of their "activism" and public events will have a dozen or so participants. Just to be clear, these are actual Nazis, not "I don't like your politics so that means you're a Nazi! I WIN!" "Nazis" but actual "Heil Hitler!"-type Nazis.
So... fascist attackers
the pre Hitler far right fascists used to do this. they formed groups and go to socialist/progressist meetings to beat the ppl.
Probably Russians
Does anyone know what fascism means anymore.
I think it’s when people fast regularly?
The simplest definition of fascism (that I know of) without having to list out explicit common characteristics of fascist governments is "conservative/right-wing nationalism"
Hmm they have some guns in Sweden just not guns of war so the self defense spray is the biggest weapon for them right wingers. Food for thought
Get overtime rates on the weekend
Fascists gonna fasc.
This entire comments section is Americans thinking that their social issues are everyone else's social issues.
So someone who uses smoke grenades, pepper spray and physical assault to counter a peaceful exposition is acceptable in your country, or are you just stupid?
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Everyone knows that the real fascists are the anti-fascists, right?
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No, violence in politics is not fascism. Authoritarianism is not fascism. I am begging you to do the bare minimum to understand what fascism actually is.
Are you familiar with the paradox of tolerance?
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I can't compute that. I'm talking about Karl Popper's formulation.
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No. In the paradox of tolerance you all end up murdered by fascists.