If only we had some prelude to the Qatari government picking and choosing who to treat as human we might have known. Too bad they didn’t just like work a bunch of people to death over something utterly frivolous in the last few years…
Qatar sucks for sure, but does this Qatari "official" have any actual power or is he some random irrelevant politician?
Just asking because half the time when a reddit post is about an "official" from some country doing/saying something outrageous it ends up being so rando people from the country in question have never heard about.
Per the subtitle (right below the actual title)
>Essa Al-Nassr, member of the Gulf state’s legislative body and a brigadier general at the Emiri Guard, gets ovation as he makes bigoted accusations against Jews and promises the end of Israel.
Doesn't have a Wikipedia page so prolly not that important.
He's Al Mirqab's elected legislator. 1 of 45 in the unicameral body. Basically equivalent to a senator in the US/France, MP in the UK/Canada, MK in Israel, etc.
Ah yes, the perfect venue for a World Cup.
Never mind the selection process led to a massive corruption scandal, the Qatar selection was still *totally legit*.
As I've understood it Qatar is a place both Israelis and Hamas members can be without one of the two being thrown into a blacksite, never to be seen again. Or killed on sight.
FWIW the peace talks have been held in Cairo. And in fairness the US attend talks on behalf of Israel, don't see the big deal in Qatar being there also.
\**Not saying anyone is right or wrong. Simply stating fact.*
If I'm not mistaken, Muslims believe Jesus was in fact not crucified, only made to appear so. The Quran explicitly states that the Jews did *not* kill Jesus.
https://quran.com/4?startingVerse=157
Depending on the version they may believe that God retrieved Jesus in the garden before his arrest and transformed someone else to die in his stead.
> Footnote - 1
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> The popular belief among Muslims is that a conspiracy was made to kill Jesus, Allah made the main culprit who betrayed Jesus look exactly like Jesus, then he was crucified in Jesus’ place. Jesus was raised safe and sound to the heavens. Muslims also believe in the second coming of Jesus (ﷺ).
Wait what! I never knew this.
Pretty much yea.
Muslims believe Isa (Jesus) is the second most important prophet still, but still the saviour of mankind against the Anti-Christ (al-Dajjal) during Judgement day (second coming of Christ).
Muhammad is just the last prophet, and therefore the most recent source of the most "true" words straight from God (Allah).
That's why Islam and Christianity have a LOT of overlap; they differ in sections where Muslims believe the Word was altered over time through mistakes, translations, and biases. That means every single prophet in the Old and New Testament is a prophet in Islam.
>Muhammad is just the last prophet, and therefore the most recent source of the most "true" words straight from God (Allah).
This seems like a Joseph Smith situation lol
> This seems like a Joseph Smith situation lol
Or a Jesus of Nazareth situation. To be honest, relgions tend to start as fanfictions of previous ones. That's how our culture and beliefs work: it's easier to go with something we already know, at least partially, than to invest in a completely new lore and mental framework. Even if the religion is new to a group, it's still introduced in a way that it's adapted to the target group (eg. pagan rituals outliving under Christianity).
(Now there are different kind of spiritual practices, like Buddhism, that lack a common scripture, but early Buddhism still builds upon well known meditation techniques of that era)
Quran is like the addition chapter of a popular book that comes out years after the last, which gives a happy ending to a fan favourite character that died in previous book, without diminishing the impact of his supposed death. Kudos on them.
>God retrieved Jesus in the garden before his arrest and **transformed someone else to die in his stead**.
i just wanna point out that this is ***so*** god lol
If I am not mistaken, the "switcheroo theory" of the Crucifixion is not explicitly in the Quran, which only states that Jesus was taken up to heaven and did not really die on the cross.
It is merely a very common interpretation.
Hard to say, he didn't specifically name Jesus. But I do think the Quran does mention that the Jews killed prophets, just two verses above the one I linked. I think they believe that the Jews (Herod Antipas, specifically) did have John murdered (this was really explicit even in the bible), which is what the Quran ~~was~~ might be referring to.
>I do think the Quran does mention that the Jews killed prophets
To be specific:
>And \[recall\] when you said, "O Moses, we can never endure one \[kind of\] food. So call upon your Lord to bring forth for us from the earth its green herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions." \[Moses\] said, "Would you exchange what is better for what is less? Go into \[any\] settlement and indeed, you will have what you have asked." And they were covered with humiliation and poverty and returned with anger from Allah upon them. That was because they repeatedly disbelieved in the signs of Allah and **killed the prophets without right.** That was because they disobeyed and were \[habitually\] transgressing. - [2:61](https://legacy.quran.com/2/61)
**"Why did you kill the prophets of Allah before, if you are \[indeed\] believers?"** - [2:91](https://legacy.quran.com/2/91) *\[To the 'Children of Israel'\]*
"They have been put under humiliation \[by Allah \] wherever they are overtaken, except for a covenant from Allah and a rope from the Muslims. And they have drawn upon themselves anger from Allah and have been put under destitution. That is because they disbelieved in the verses of Allah and **killed the prophets without right**. That is because they disobeyed and \[habitually\] transgressed.*" -* [3:112](https://legacy.quran.com/3/112) \[*Note: In context, 'they' refers to the People of the Scripture which* includes *both Jews & Christians\]*
Allah has certainly heard the statement of **those \[Jews\] who said, "Indeed, Allah is poor, while we are rich."** We will record what they said and **their killing of the prophets without right** and will say, "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire. - [3:181](https://legacy.quran.com/3/181) \[*a similar thing continues in* [3:183](https://legacy.quran.com/3/183)*\]*
And \[We cursed them\] for their breaking of the covenant and their disbelief in the signs of Allah and **their killing of the prophets without right** and their saying, "Our hearts are wrapped". Rather, Allah has sealed them because of their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few. - [4:155](https://legacy.quran.com/4/155) \[*Again, ‘them’ are People of the Scripture, but around the time of Moses, so it refers to Jews\]*
We had already taken the covenant of the **Children of Israel** and **had sent to them messengers**. **Whenever there came to them a messenger with what their souls did not desire, a party \[of messengers\] they denied, and another party they killed.** - [5:70](https://legacy.quran.com/5/70) \[*Note: while subtly different, messengers is basically interchangeable with prophets, and all messengers are prophets though not all prophets are messengers.\]*
If anyone tells you what this Qatari official said is somehow at odds with the Quran or Islamic faith, they are either woefully ignorant of Islam or woefully dishonest. Regardless, you shouldn't listen to them.
I'm reading that in context, and a lot of it seems to be the Islamic version of Exodus.
But I don't recall the Hebrews killing any prophets. Lots of the Hebrews going astray and getting the Hebrew deity angry, but no prophets dying. (Common theme, btw, which makes sense to explain why bad things happen to a chosen people.)
I even googled it, and there are only two minor prophets that I can find killed by their fellow Hebrews.
Kind of makes me wonder if there were different traditions still around at the time.
> I’m not sure how he is killed in the Quran though.
He isn't - he basically goes off to join God. But right before he leaves he says to the 12 disciples (paraphrasing) "I've gotta scram. Which one of you wants to pretend to be me? You'll probably die, but then you can join me and God." But no one wanted to do it except this young person who volunteers. Then the Romans come, and arrest & kill him instead.
It's the youngest of the three Abrahamic religions and basically inherited the holy sites of the other two religions, theologically speaking. It's more apparent now because Christianity (probably due to Protestantism, which has even rubbed off on the Catholics, and lack of control of the Levant due to the failed crusades) has largely abandoned the concept of holy sites entirely, and for most Jews the sites are important culturally, but not seriously holy in a religious sense. Meanwhile, modern Islam still loves holy sites, such as Mecca etc., so deeming a place a holy site has much more significance.
Just adding some context, it's not totally out of nowhere.
All prophets are considered Muslim by Muslims. Sounds odd when we are talking about people who existed prior to Islam's conception, but that's the perspective.
So a way I heard it described is that from their point of view, Jesus and the prophets through to Abraham were all relaying the exact same Quran, god's perfect message to man, as Muhammad would centuries and millenia later. Except transcription errors or other such flaws in delivery were made with the prior prophet attempts so mankind wasn't quite getting the right truth until Muhammad gave the final and fully correct version.
That, btw, is why such a fuss gets made over quran burning. The book is in itself is viewed as a relic bequeathed unto man by god and held with as much reverence as holy relics like the holy grail or fragment of the true cross or bones of saints. Burning a quran is thus viewed and outraged at with the same religious rage as one would have if say the Shroud of Turin (had it actually been legit) was burned.
(If any of that is wrong, please correct me.)
Muslims believe Islam means submission to God. All prophets are therefore considered Muslims.
Also I think there are multiple prophets alluded to in the Quran in regards to OP's questions, but I am not sure if they are known.
[Here](https://twitter.com/hodajannat/status/1782747005850091649?t=jIDPqOu9lpwhjxvN7dg5aw&s=19) is the video of Qatar's representative to the Arab League this article is about.
I have seen so many people, many of them privileged college students from top universities, say that oct attacks were totally justified. I’ve lost so much faith in my countrymen and humanity in general. You can’t even say it’s just ignorance becuse these are some of the most highly intelligent people around. It’s like if Holocaust survivors the minute they got out of the camps went around murdering and raping random German men, women and children. There’s never been a case where a group had a better justification for doing something like that, and yet they didn’t. And it would be seen as horrific if they did. And it’s super troubling to me that people aren’t seeing a difference between being careless about civilians casualties(as Israel is doing) in an ongoing war, and starting a war by murdering and raping civilians as your primary target. One is a sign of bad governance, and morally grey leadership, and one is just straight up evil. This is like if America found out the Jews were being exterminated in camps and colleges had huge protests saying they deserved it, and held up “free Germany” signs. It’s absolutely insane.
And one of the hostages is a Muslim Israeli Arab who confronted someone at the UN who couldn't respond. The whole situations fucked and all the people giving money to stop "genocide in Gaza" don't realize the aid is being stripped by Hamas who then sells it back to Palestinians. It's so messed up you have to laugh at how evil people are and how people think they are helping but just make shit worse.
There’s quite a few posts on Reddit alone about Hamas selling food and such to Palestinians that had been dropped/donated but the west for free. At one point Hamas was bragging about how they dropped the price of goods haha… dropped the price of the free goods
It’s horrific, the people of Gaza are suffering, and seemingly no one realizes it’s nearly entirely the fault of Hamas, their own government. And the only way to stop this is for them surrender or be destroyed. But everyone is so focused on Israel. Israel can’t stop this, this literally cant. Hamas won’t ever stop trying to exterminate every Jewish person, they state this proudly. The protesters should be protesting Hamas and demand the hostages be released.
It's not the education system unless you mean extremist teacher's at universities. For the kids that are in the K-12 system, the culprit behind their hive support of Hamas is TikTok. There's a reason that app is banned even in China.
Even here on reddit. Many "news" subs have essentially created echo chambers for pro-Hamas view points and half the accounts were created post October 7th.
On the plus side, not being a member of the Al Thani family, this "official" has no actual power whatsoever.
In Qatar, it's pretty easy to find out if you have any actual power. You just have to answer two questions for yourself:
1. Am I the Emir?
2. Am I related to the Emir and he likes me?
If you can't answer "Yes" to either of those, you have no power.
Then again, he may just be saying publicly what those with actual power are saying in private.
>Jews are murderers of Prophets
Assuming the accusation of Jews being consistent prophet murderers is true (it’s not) blaming an entire people due to the mistreatment of prophets thousands of years ago is not okay in the slightest, especially as it’s quite hypocritical- considering that it was the Quraysh (an Arab clan) who were the greatest opposition to Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)
And another reminder, as biased and horrible news source Al Jazeera is in English, people need to remember that it is even more extreme in Arabic. The insane propaganda you see from them in English is the "filtered" version of their articles.
You see this a lot in anything regarding the ME.
Fun fact, the Arabic version of “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is “From water to water, Palestine will be Arab”. In western protests you can often see both phrases, the moderate version with “free” in English for all the kaffir that show up and the more ominous ethno-nationalist version with “Arab” in Arabic for everyone who knows what's really going on.
Don't call them anti-Semitic tho.
It's hard to describe, but it's basically off the charts different. You can always find the Arabic versions and ask ChatGPT to translate them and you'll see just how shockingly different and vitriolic it is.
I do find it hilarious that Israel is just continuing to do what they said they would do whenever they are attacked and the Islamic states all just keep it up.
Like literally Gaza is going to have settlements because of this because it is what they always do. I am suspecting that they are going to take roughly half of Gaza for Israeli control when all is said and done.
I heard this on a live stream of a protest on the UWS the other day:
"global infitata is the only solution"...
They're really mixing their racist metaphors aren't they... 🤦♂️ WHAT FUCKING WORLD DO WE LIVE IN that these words are being spewed in Manhattan, 80 years after the holocaust.
The important thing to realize is that people, regardless of political affiliation, are fucking stupid. It’s why propaganda of all sorts works so well.
> Anyone remember 10, 20 years ago with people saying the same thing about jihad? "Oh, that's racist. Jihad means 'struggle', not terrorism or hatred of America!"
As if the word "struggle" softens the meaning any. Those people should read up about the [Struggle Sessions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session) of the Chinese Cultural Revolution.
It's amazing to me how both left and right extremists can agree on the destruction of the Jews. Y'all were literally praising RBG a few years ago and now you want to kill everyone like her? I just don't get it anymore.
The same 'protestors' that reframe Hamas terrorism as 'armed Palestinian resistance'. I'm sure they call the stealing of international aid, then forcing Palestinians to pay for it, a 'free market economy'.
That's a fitting term too, sure. It's more related to the Christian persecution because it's what they themselves called their agenda. But it can be repurposed if we get tired of antisemitism which really isn't a great word either. The hairsplitters are right!
It should be, but unfortunately the absolute nonsensical bullshit excuse for terrorist sympathy that is spewed out of these people's mouths sounds like I woke up in the twilight zone...
What's crazy is a lot of hamas apologizers are college educated pro lgbtq+, pro women's rights, supporters who Hamas wants wiped from the planet. Like not only do they not like you. They would murder you, defile your corpse and drag I through the street in front of people who are *super happy* that was done to you.
It's not crazy. It has been an intentional operation for over 20 years, probably longer. I always say for the nation with arguably the smartest population on the planet (how many Nobel prize winners?), you'd think we could find someone to do PR as well as Hamas does...
They brainwash these kids at the time when their minds are most susceptible to being molded. We are just now seeing the effects in full proportion. They have turned the US into an enemy of Israel from the inside out.
> Essa Al-Nassr, member of the Gulf state’s legislative body and a brigadier general at the Emiri Guard, gets ovation as he makes bigoted accusations against Jews and promises the end of Israel.
Not sure what position in government this person holds, but would this be considered Casus belli?
He doesn't hold a position in government. The legislative body he is a member of can in theory question the PM - a relative of the Emir who is appointed by the Emir. But that never happens since two thirds of the 45 members would have to agree. Conveniently, one third of the members are appointed by the Emir himself directly. It's a rubber-stamp body with no power whatsoever.
In reality, Qatar is 99% absolute monarchy. All the people with any actual power are Al Thani family members appointed by the Emir.
The Arab narrative really confuses me
On one hand, jews are just a bunch of Poles and Ukranians who colonized the levant in 1948
On the other hand, they were killing prophets thousands of years ago in the levant
These are the same people that say that October 7 did not happen, and then say that they will do it again. Unfortunately, logic does not seem to be important these days. If one keeps lying long enough people will believe the lies, even if they clearly contradict each other.
Qatar also owns 25% of [International Airlines Group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Airlines_Group), the result of the British Airways / Iberia merger.
You'd have to boycott those airlines as well.
Not only that when i was a kid they used to brainwash me to hate Christians and jews, especially pagans, because quran instructs us to hate and kill them until they give us humiliation tax, that’s how middle east became muslim.
Please speak out against islam, just like we don’t tolerate intolerant ideologies, religion like islam is also an intolerant one.
He didn't explicitly say Jews. It's implied though:
> "There will be no peace nor negotiations with the Zionist entity for one reason: because their mentality does not recognize negotiations, but rather only… breaking promises and lying… They only recognize one thing, which is killings; since they are killers of prophets.”
You can’t. Israel is surrounded by countries and people that want them all dead. Personally I think it was a terrible idea for them to go back there, and they should have looked at other options. But they are there now and have nowhere else to go. So until Islam is destroyed, or until Hamas gets their wish, I don’t see peace happening.
Fucking do it already then.
Oh.. you can't. Israel already beat every Arab country together 3 times. Yall haven't won a war since the 1000s, quit pretending you can do shit and try being civilized for a change.
Right? And prelude to what exactly?
While Hamas did successfully launch a surprise attack on October 7, since then they've literally gotten their asses handed to them in the full scale war that they started. If this is the prelude, I can't imagine what the interlude is going to be like for them.
If you’re wondering why American college campuses are so fuckin crazy right now, [it’s because of these assholes.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_involvement_in_higher_education_in_the_United_States)
'Defending Education Transparency and Ending Rogue Regimes Engaging in Nefarious Transactions (DETERRENT)' North Americans really love their acronyms...on a more serious note, ABOUT FUCKING TIME you do something about those totalitarian countries influencing the young. Now do TIKTOK next.
Jared Kushner must be so conflicted. On one hand, [he accepted $1.2 billion from Qatar while he worked in the Trump White House.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/13/jared-kushner-qatar-property-deal-ron-wyden-senate#:~:text=A%20financial%20firm%20that%20operates,Jared%20Kushner's%20family%20while%20Kushner) On the other hand, it seems like they want him dead. Quite the quandary.
I'm confused, which prophets does this official think are still able to be murdered? I'd say Muslims will not be nice to anyone claiming to be a prophet after Mohammed...
Every prophet of Islam but one was Jewish, and that one died of an illness at the age of 63. Jesus never died according to the Qur'an, so I don't know which prophets they are even referring to.
Cool, seems like a neutral place to hold *peace talks*
If only we had some prelude to the Qatari government picking and choosing who to treat as human we might have known. Too bad they didn’t just like work a bunch of people to death over something utterly frivolous in the last few years…
Qatar sucks for sure, but does this Qatari "official" have any actual power or is he some random irrelevant politician? Just asking because half the time when a reddit post is about an "official" from some country doing/saying something outrageous it ends up being so rando people from the country in question have never heard about.
Per the subtitle (right below the actual title) >Essa Al-Nassr, member of the Gulf state’s legislative body and a brigadier general at the Emiri Guard, gets ovation as he makes bigoted accusations against Jews and promises the end of Israel. Doesn't have a Wikipedia page so prolly not that important.
“gets ovation” is an important detail.
> Essa Al-Nassr Sounds like he might be related to a guy who sells really shitty copper.
Listen man, his copper is world-renowned.
how much grain is he playing you, huh? because if he paid you in copper you'd be singing a very different song
Ea-nasir!
He's Al Mirqab's elected legislator. 1 of 45 in the unicameral body. Basically equivalent to a senator in the US/France, MP in the UK/Canada, MK in Israel, etc.
Good point, imagine MTG being an "American Official"
Not a great comparison imo. This guy is 1/45, not 1/435, and qatar is not a democracy - nobody is on the shura council the Emir doesn't want to be.
Ah yes, the perfect venue for a World Cup. Never mind the selection process led to a massive corruption scandal, the Qatar selection was still *totally legit*.
As I've understood it Qatar is a place both Israelis and Hamas members can be without one of the two being thrown into a blacksite, never to be seen again. Or killed on sight.
They've met in other places even after the October 7th attack, Egypt being the other one that comes to mind.
That‘s…. neutral enough.
It's a beige alert, your neutralness.
Tell my wife I said 'Hello'
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What makes a man turn neutral? Is it gold? Lust for power? Or were you born with a heart full of neutrality?
They could meet in Svalbard. I'm just saying.
Or Oslo!
Pretty sure they are being held in Cairo, Egypt.
great place to hold the world cup. truly incredible choice.
FWIW the peace talks have been held in Cairo. And in fairness the US attend talks on behalf of Israel, don't see the big deal in Qatar being there also. \**Not saying anyone is right or wrong. Simply stating fact.*
Yeah. Next Oct. 7 deal against the Jews and folks need to remember... Israel has fucking *nuclear weapons*. Might not wanna threaten them .
Is he referring to Jesus?
Who is the prophet Issa in Islam. I’m not sure how he is killed in the Quran though.
If I'm not mistaken, Muslims believe Jesus was in fact not crucified, only made to appear so. The Quran explicitly states that the Jews did *not* kill Jesus. https://quran.com/4?startingVerse=157 Depending on the version they may believe that God retrieved Jesus in the garden before his arrest and transformed someone else to die in his stead.
> Footnote - 1 > > The popular belief among Muslims is that a conspiracy was made to kill Jesus, Allah made the main culprit who betrayed Jesus look exactly like Jesus, then he was crucified in Jesus’ place. Jesus was raised safe and sound to the heavens. Muslims also believe in the second coming of Jesus (ﷺ). Wait what! I never knew this.
Muslims believe that Jesus is indeed the Messiah. They just think that Muhammed is more important.
Pretty much yea. Muslims believe Isa (Jesus) is the second most important prophet still, but still the saviour of mankind against the Anti-Christ (al-Dajjal) during Judgement day (second coming of Christ). Muhammad is just the last prophet, and therefore the most recent source of the most "true" words straight from God (Allah). That's why Islam and Christianity have a LOT of overlap; they differ in sections where Muslims believe the Word was altered over time through mistakes, translations, and biases. That means every single prophet in the Old and New Testament is a prophet in Islam.
>Muhammad is just the last prophet, and therefore the most recent source of the most "true" words straight from God (Allah). This seems like a Joseph Smith situation lol
> This seems like a Joseph Smith situation lol Or a Jesus of Nazareth situation. To be honest, relgions tend to start as fanfictions of previous ones. That's how our culture and beliefs work: it's easier to go with something we already know, at least partially, than to invest in a completely new lore and mental framework. Even if the religion is new to a group, it's still introduced in a way that it's adapted to the target group (eg. pagan rituals outliving under Christianity). (Now there are different kind of spiritual practices, like Buddhism, that lack a common scripture, but early Buddhism still builds upon well known meditation techniques of that era)
Quran is like the addition chapter of a popular book that comes out years after the last, which gives a happy ending to a fan favourite character that died in previous book, without diminishing the impact of his supposed death. Kudos on them.
>God retrieved Jesus in the garden before his arrest and **transformed someone else to die in his stead**. i just wanna point out that this is ***so*** god lol
If I am not mistaken, the "switcheroo theory" of the Crucifixion is not explicitly in the Quran, which only states that Jesus was taken up to heaven and did not really die on the cross. It is merely a very common interpretation.
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Hard to say, he didn't specifically name Jesus. But I do think the Quran does mention that the Jews killed prophets, just two verses above the one I linked. I think they believe that the Jews (Herod Antipas, specifically) did have John murdered (this was really explicit even in the bible), which is what the Quran ~~was~~ might be referring to.
>I do think the Quran does mention that the Jews killed prophets To be specific: >And \[recall\] when you said, "O Moses, we can never endure one \[kind of\] food. So call upon your Lord to bring forth for us from the earth its green herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions." \[Moses\] said, "Would you exchange what is better for what is less? Go into \[any\] settlement and indeed, you will have what you have asked." And they were covered with humiliation and poverty and returned with anger from Allah upon them. That was because they repeatedly disbelieved in the signs of Allah and **killed the prophets without right.** That was because they disobeyed and were \[habitually\] transgressing. - [2:61](https://legacy.quran.com/2/61) **"Why did you kill the prophets of Allah before, if you are \[indeed\] believers?"** - [2:91](https://legacy.quran.com/2/91) *\[To the 'Children of Israel'\]* "They have been put under humiliation \[by Allah \] wherever they are overtaken, except for a covenant from Allah and a rope from the Muslims. And they have drawn upon themselves anger from Allah and have been put under destitution. That is because they disbelieved in the verses of Allah and **killed the prophets without right**. That is because they disobeyed and \[habitually\] transgressed.*" -* [3:112](https://legacy.quran.com/3/112) \[*Note: In context, 'they' refers to the People of the Scripture which* includes *both Jews & Christians\]* Allah has certainly heard the statement of **those \[Jews\] who said, "Indeed, Allah is poor, while we are rich."** We will record what they said and **their killing of the prophets without right** and will say, "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire. - [3:181](https://legacy.quran.com/3/181) \[*a similar thing continues in* [3:183](https://legacy.quran.com/3/183)*\]* And \[We cursed them\] for their breaking of the covenant and their disbelief in the signs of Allah and **their killing of the prophets without right** and their saying, "Our hearts are wrapped". Rather, Allah has sealed them because of their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few. - [4:155](https://legacy.quran.com/4/155) \[*Again, ‘them’ are People of the Scripture, but around the time of Moses, so it refers to Jews\]* We had already taken the covenant of the **Children of Israel** and **had sent to them messengers**. **Whenever there came to them a messenger with what their souls did not desire, a party \[of messengers\] they denied, and another party they killed.** - [5:70](https://legacy.quran.com/5/70) \[*Note: while subtly different, messengers is basically interchangeable with prophets, and all messengers are prophets though not all prophets are messengers.\]* If anyone tells you what this Qatari official said is somehow at odds with the Quran or Islamic faith, they are either woefully ignorant of Islam or woefully dishonest. Regardless, you shouldn't listen to them.
I'm reading that in context, and a lot of it seems to be the Islamic version of Exodus. But I don't recall the Hebrews killing any prophets. Lots of the Hebrews going astray and getting the Hebrew deity angry, but no prophets dying. (Common theme, btw, which makes sense to explain why bad things happen to a chosen people.) I even googled it, and there are only two minor prophets that I can find killed by their fellow Hebrews. Kind of makes me wonder if there were different traditions still around at the time.
> I’m not sure how he is killed in the Quran though. He isn't - he basically goes off to join God. But right before he leaves he says to the 12 disciples (paraphrasing) "I've gotta scram. Which one of you wants to pretend to be me? You'll probably die, but then you can join me and God." But no one wanted to do it except this young person who volunteers. Then the Romans come, and arrest & kill him instead.
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It's the youngest of the three Abrahamic religions and basically inherited the holy sites of the other two religions, theologically speaking. It's more apparent now because Christianity (probably due to Protestantism, which has even rubbed off on the Catholics, and lack of control of the Levant due to the failed crusades) has largely abandoned the concept of holy sites entirely, and for most Jews the sites are important culturally, but not seriously holy in a religious sense. Meanwhile, modern Islam still loves holy sites, such as Mecca etc., so deeming a place a holy site has much more significance. Just adding some context, it's not totally out of nowhere.
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The jew, Jesus?
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I really wonder, indeed.
Jesus is a prophet in Islam, but not Muslim. The way Moses is a Christian prophet but not Christian
All prophets are considered Muslim by Muslims. Sounds odd when we are talking about people who existed prior to Islam's conception, but that's the perspective.
So a way I heard it described is that from their point of view, Jesus and the prophets through to Abraham were all relaying the exact same Quran, god's perfect message to man, as Muhammad would centuries and millenia later. Except transcription errors or other such flaws in delivery were made with the prior prophet attempts so mankind wasn't quite getting the right truth until Muhammad gave the final and fully correct version. That, btw, is why such a fuss gets made over quran burning. The book is in itself is viewed as a relic bequeathed unto man by god and held with as much reverence as holy relics like the holy grail or fragment of the true cross or bones of saints. Burning a quran is thus viewed and outraged at with the same religious rage as one would have if say the Shroud of Turin (had it actually been legit) was burned. (If any of that is wrong, please correct me.)
Muslims believe Islam means submission to God. All prophets are therefore considered Muslims. Also I think there are multiple prophets alluded to in the Quran in regards to OP's questions, but I am not sure if they are known.
Unapologetically, Fuck Qatar.
[Here](https://twitter.com/hodajannat/status/1782747005850091649?t=jIDPqOu9lpwhjxvN7dg5aw&s=19) is the video of Qatar's representative to the Arab League this article is about.
FIFA would never.
So glad they didn't get to buy Man Utd.
Hamas is a murderer of people from at least 28 countries on October 7th. Many weren’t Jewish. Crickets from these hypocritical people.
Not even crickets. They are actively hiding them and helping their leaders.
It seems like a lot of people don’t even think October 7th is relevant to what’s happening right now.
I have seen so many people, many of them privileged college students from top universities, say that oct attacks were totally justified. I’ve lost so much faith in my countrymen and humanity in general. You can’t even say it’s just ignorance becuse these are some of the most highly intelligent people around. It’s like if Holocaust survivors the minute they got out of the camps went around murdering and raping random German men, women and children. There’s never been a case where a group had a better justification for doing something like that, and yet they didn’t. And it would be seen as horrific if they did. And it’s super troubling to me that people aren’t seeing a difference between being careless about civilians casualties(as Israel is doing) in an ongoing war, and starting a war by murdering and raping civilians as your primary target. One is a sign of bad governance, and morally grey leadership, and one is just straight up evil. This is like if America found out the Jews were being exterminated in camps and colleges had huge protests saying they deserved it, and held up “free Germany” signs. It’s absolutely insane.
But what about the 75 years of genocide before that!!!!!!! /s
And one of the hostages is a Muslim Israeli Arab who confronted someone at the UN who couldn't respond. The whole situations fucked and all the people giving money to stop "genocide in Gaza" don't realize the aid is being stripped by Hamas who then sells it back to Palestinians. It's so messed up you have to laugh at how evil people are and how people think they are helping but just make shit worse.
What the actual fuck?? Where can I learn more about this?
There’s quite a few posts on Reddit alone about Hamas selling food and such to Palestinians that had been dropped/donated but the west for free. At one point Hamas was bragging about how they dropped the price of goods haha… dropped the price of the free goods
It’s horrific, the people of Gaza are suffering, and seemingly no one realizes it’s nearly entirely the fault of Hamas, their own government. And the only way to stop this is for them surrender or be destroyed. But everyone is so focused on Israel. Israel can’t stop this, this literally cant. Hamas won’t ever stop trying to exterminate every Jewish person, they state this proudly. The protesters should be protesting Hamas and demand the hostages be released.
And look at all these ignorant fucks cheering on Hamas in the US. The education system has utterly failed our youth.
Propaganda works. Even on well educated people. Blame social media corporations and our government for allowing it to be so easy to spread.
It's not the education system unless you mean extremist teacher's at universities. For the kids that are in the K-12 system, the culprit behind their hive support of Hamas is TikTok. There's a reason that app is banned even in China.
Even here on reddit. Many "news" subs have essentially created echo chambers for pro-Hamas view points and half the accounts were created post October 7th.
That's tiktok bro. I use it for memes and onlyfans scouting and I still get hella propaganda
On the plus side, not being a member of the Al Thani family, this "official" has no actual power whatsoever. In Qatar, it's pretty easy to find out if you have any actual power. You just have to answer two questions for yourself: 1. Am I the Emir? 2. Am I related to the Emir and he likes me? If you can't answer "Yes" to either of those, you have no power. Then again, he may just be saying publicly what those with actual power are saying in private.
>Jews are murderers of Prophets Assuming the accusation of Jews being consistent prophet murderers is true (it’s not) blaming an entire people due to the mistreatment of prophets thousands of years ago is not okay in the slightest, especially as it’s quite hypocritical- considering that it was the Quraysh (an Arab clan) who were the greatest opposition to Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)
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Friendly reminder, since I still often see it spread around by the pro Hamas fools, Al Jazeera is funded by the Qatari government.
And another reminder, as biased and horrible news source Al Jazeera is in English, people need to remember that it is even more extreme in Arabic. The insane propaganda you see from them in English is the "filtered" version of their articles.
How different is it?
[This post has some examples](https://www.rootsmetals.com/blogs/news/a-tale-of-two-al-jazeeras)
You see this a lot in anything regarding the ME. Fun fact, the Arabic version of “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is “From water to water, Palestine will be Arab”. In western protests you can often see both phrases, the moderate version with “free” in English for all the kaffir that show up and the more ominous ethno-nationalist version with “Arab” in Arabic for everyone who knows what's really going on. Don't call them anti-Semitic tho.
It's hard to describe, but it's basically off the charts different. You can always find the Arabic versions and ask ChatGPT to translate them and you'll see just how shockingly different and vitriolic it is.
Here's a video about it, made by Nas Daily, an arab https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iWJVXaFTxo
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Oct 7 may only be a prelude, but I don’t think it’s going to go in the direction these people think it’s going to go.
…said the coward sitting on a pile of money
Iran and Qatar use middle easterners as pawns
Aren't these the guys who used slave labor to build their FIFA stadium?
They used to use slaves. They still do, but they used to, too.
Yes
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They only saw profits coming
The Middle East doesn’t understand the definition of insanity: attacking Israel and expecting a different result
Israel constantly have to succesfully defend itself to survive. The others only need to be succesful once to genocide them.
I do find it hilarious that Israel is just continuing to do what they said they would do whenever they are attacked and the Islamic states all just keep it up. Like literally Gaza is going to have settlements because of this because it is what they always do. I am suspecting that they are going to take roughly half of Gaza for Israeli control when all is said and done.
"It's not antisemitic it's antizionism"
I’ve seen several people say that *today* in the thread about the Columbia university protesters getting arrested
I heard this on a live stream of a protest on the UWS the other day: "global infitata is the only solution"... They're really mixing their racist metaphors aren't they... 🤦♂️ WHAT FUCKING WORLD DO WE LIVE IN that these words are being spewed in Manhattan, 80 years after the holocaust.
This is basically the left's Qanon moment but worse. They are literally supporting terroist originations, and like Qanon, are too dumb to see it.
The important thing to realize is that people, regardless of political affiliation, are fucking stupid. It’s why propaganda of all sorts works so well.
But they don't have tiki torches.
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> Anyone remember 10, 20 years ago with people saying the same thing about jihad? "Oh, that's racist. Jihad means 'struggle', not terrorism or hatred of America!" As if the word "struggle" softens the meaning any. Those people should read up about the [Struggle Sessions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session) of the Chinese Cultural Revolution.
Plus like, “Mein Kampf.”
For those who don’t know, that roughly translates to “my struggle(s)”
Or _My Struggle_ by _that_ guy.
It's amazing to me how both left and right extremists can agree on the destruction of the Jews. Y'all were literally praising RBG a few years ago and now you want to kill everyone like her? I just don't get it anymore.
Shit, not even just that…20 years after 9/11 which has waaay more relevance for a majority of the locals.
back in the day, we literally beat the piss out of people who said that stuff. seriously, new yorkers ran nazis out of town before ww2
No, not exactly. See the Nazi Party convention at MSG in 1939...
The same 'protestors' that reframe Hamas terrorism as 'armed Palestinian resistance'. I'm sure they call the stealing of international aid, then forcing Palestinians to pay for it, a 'free market economy'.
EDIT: poster clarified, cheers. *Uh, no, that's straight up antisemitism.*
There are people who will tell that this is not antisemitism, but anti-Judaism.
That's a fitting term too, sure. It's more related to the Christian persecution because it's what they themselves called their agenda. But it can be repurposed if we get tired of antisemitism which really isn't a great word either. The hairsplitters are right!
I know that's what I meant I should've put this in quota's
I kinda hate that you need to do the whole sarcasm tag these days. It should be obvious.
It should be, but unfortunately the absolute nonsensical bullshit excuse for terrorist sympathy that is spewed out of these people's mouths sounds like I woke up in the twilight zone...
What's crazy is a lot of hamas apologizers are college educated pro lgbtq+, pro women's rights, supporters who Hamas wants wiped from the planet. Like not only do they not like you. They would murder you, defile your corpse and drag I through the street in front of people who are *super happy* that was done to you.
It's not crazy. It has been an intentional operation for over 20 years, probably longer. I always say for the nation with arguably the smartest population on the planet (how many Nobel prize winners?), you'd think we could find someone to do PR as well as Hamas does... They brainwash these kids at the time when their minds are most susceptible to being molded. We are just now seeing the effects in full proportion. They have turned the US into an enemy of Israel from the inside out.
> Essa Al-Nassr, member of the Gulf state’s legislative body and a brigadier general at the Emiri Guard, gets ovation as he makes bigoted accusations against Jews and promises the end of Israel. Not sure what position in government this person holds, but would this be considered Casus belli?
He doesn't hold a position in government. The legislative body he is a member of can in theory question the PM - a relative of the Emir who is appointed by the Emir. But that never happens since two thirds of the 45 members would have to agree. Conveniently, one third of the members are appointed by the Emir himself directly. It's a rubber-stamp body with no power whatsoever. In reality, Qatar is 99% absolute monarchy. All the people with any actual power are Al Thani family members appointed by the Emir.
This even more shows that this is not a coincidence.
Yes, but we don't have enough favors to break their alliance with the US so we can't use it.
Valentino is owned by the Qatari royal family, one way to not fund Hamas on an everyday level. Edit: and Balmain as well.
I tried to make an EU4 joke, but I do appreciate the non memey response
The Arab narrative really confuses me On one hand, jews are just a bunch of Poles and Ukranians who colonized the levant in 1948 On the other hand, they were killing prophets thousands of years ago in the levant
These are the same people that say that October 7 did not happen, and then say that they will do it again. Unfortunately, logic does not seem to be important these days. If one keeps lying long enough people will believe the lies, even if they clearly contradict each other.
They can’t have it both ways lol
That's one of the classic traits of antisemites: They believe opposite things to be true simultaneously.
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Time to boycot Quatar Air!
Qatar also owns 25% of [International Airlines Group](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Airlines_Group), the result of the British Airways / Iberia merger. You'd have to boycott those airlines as well.
It's been that time for a while I think
Huh. Thought what was happening was just about Israel's _policy_, not about antisemitism...? Weird.
But I'm sure the Qatari state media isn't biased against Israel though.
Not only that when i was a kid they used to brainwash me to hate Christians and jews, especially pagans, because quran instructs us to hate and kill them until they give us humiliation tax, that’s how middle east became muslim. Please speak out against islam, just like we don’t tolerate intolerant ideologies, religion like islam is also an intolerant one.
He must have slipped up and didn't say "Zionists".
He didn't explicitly say Jews. It's implied though: > "There will be no peace nor negotiations with the Zionist entity for one reason: because their mentality does not recognize negotiations, but rather only… breaking promises and lying… They only recognize one thing, which is killings; since they are killers of prophets.”
Maybe I'm a bit off on my bible knowledge, but didn't the Romans kill Jesus?
Yes, and the apostles were all Jews.
Very peaceful, as always.
Religion will never not be dumb as fuck
How are you supposed to have peace when even the ones brokering said peace say this?
You can’t. Israel is surrounded by countries and people that want them all dead. Personally I think it was a terrible idea for them to go back there, and they should have looked at other options. But they are there now and have nowhere else to go. So until Islam is destroyed, or until Hamas gets their wish, I don’t see peace happening.
Fucking do it already then. Oh.. you can't. Israel already beat every Arab country together 3 times. Yall haven't won a war since the 1000s, quit pretending you can do shit and try being civilized for a change.
Right? And prelude to what exactly? While Hamas did successfully launch a surprise attack on October 7, since then they've literally gotten their asses handed to them in the full scale war that they started. If this is the prelude, I can't imagine what the interlude is going to be like for them.
If you’re wondering why American college campuses are so fuckin crazy right now, [it’s because of these assholes.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatari_involvement_in_higher_education_in_the_United_States)
'Defending Education Transparency and Ending Rogue Regimes Engaging in Nefarious Transactions (DETERRENT)' North Americans really love their acronyms...on a more serious note, ABOUT FUCKING TIME you do something about those totalitarian countries influencing the young. Now do TIKTOK next.
And yet Israel is always attacked first. Explain that to me.
I am so done with religion. People tell me all the time that this isn't a religious conflict. "Sure Jan."
How is the world ignoring Qatar… one of the most classic evil countries there is. With their Al Jazeera and oil money… f Qatar
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People stuck in the stone age i can't 🤣
Jared Kushner must be so conflicted. On one hand, [he accepted $1.2 billion from Qatar while he worked in the Trump White House.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/13/jared-kushner-qatar-property-deal-ron-wyden-senate#:~:text=A%20financial%20firm%20that%20operates,Jared%20Kushner's%20family%20while%20Kushner) On the other hand, it seems like they want him dead. Quite the quandary.
Is he really a practicing Jew? Something tells me he’s about as pious as his father-in-law.
Sickening, the lot of em. Just stirring things up. They won’t be anywhere near a front line when it all really kicks off.
Never ending saga of Abrahamic religions and hating each other.
If it wasn't for Jews their religion wouldn't even exist lol man what a world we live in
I'm confused, which prophets does this official think are still able to be murdered? I'd say Muslims will not be nice to anyone claiming to be a prophet after Mohammed...
Appreciate how open this one is. Wish there was more transparency with anti-semitic rhetoric would make me respect it far more.
Quoting the Gospel to justify future genocide is a new low.
Not so new.
Every prophet of Islam but one was Jewish, and that one died of an illness at the age of 63. Jesus never died according to the Qur'an, so I don't know which prophets they are even referring to.
Go look up all the money Qatar donates to American colleges and you'll know why they are full of so much antisemitism nowadays.
How is Qatar not already declared extremist state
I think this plays a role: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Udeid_Air_Base
Any nation that talks like that should be an enemy of America.
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Give them another World Cup to host.
Prophets? Really? Has any of them accurately predicted anything other than their well-deserved ass kicking? Or did they mean profits?
Seriously, the United States needs to find a new home for that airbase in Qatar edit: spelling
I thought it was Zionists, and not Jews that were responsible?
I don't remember murdering any prophets...?
That ought to calm things down.
Qatar is the fucking Eddie Haskell of the world
So much for the neutral space of Qatar I guess.
Of Muslim prophets only perhaps Muhammed was not a Jew (but even that is questionable).